tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News April 19, 2019 10:30am-11:01am BST
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the but it will be another one day. the sunshine is hazy at times with areas of high violet and a noticeable insta nt of high violet and a noticeable instant north—easterly breeze. away from the coasts, values are quite widely between 19 and 21 or 22 celsius. a couple of degrees higher. it england so even warmer than yesterday. this evening and overnight, mostly dry with clear skies, the exception being northern ireland, northern and western scotland. more cloud here, patchy light rain and drizzle. for most, tomorrow is another dry, fine day with plenty of sunshine. cloud across northern and western scotland and northern ireland, you can't rule out the odd spot of light rain and drizzle. most will be dry and, again, a very warm day. goodbye. hello, this is bbc news with carrie gracie. the headlines... dissident republicans are being blamed for the killing of journalist lyra mckee during violence in londonderry last night.
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police have begun a murder investigation. this is a horrendous act, it is unnecessary, it is uncalled for. it is totally unjustified. but not only is it the murder of a young woman, it is an attack again on the people of this city. as 500 climate change protestors have now been arrested across london, police promise a robust response if they target heathrow airport. local authorities are being acused of practicing social cleansing by misusing powers to issue fines for rough sleeping, begging and loitering. the charity liberty claims councils are unfairly targeting vulnerable people. and now on bbc news, victoria derbyshire takes a look back at some of the highlights from her programme this week.
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hello and welcome to our programme. for the next half an hour we'll bring you some of the exclusive and original journalism we've broadcast over the last week. a teenage girl who was put in an isolation booth at her school a shocking 2115 times has called for them to be banned. on one occasion the pupil, who is autistic, tried to take her own life whilst in the booth. sophie, not her real name, told us in a letter what it's like to be in an isolation booth. her words are spoken for her. during year seven i was bullied by my peers. teachers placed me in isolation. this made me feel alone. during year seven to nine, i was placed there whenever they felt necessary, which was at least one lesson a day or days at a time. i decided i'd rather die than be in isolation because of the mood it left me in. i felt alone and trapped at school.
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for such a long time i felt as though it would be best, as no—one seemed to care anyway. i begged the teachers to ring my mum, as i didn't want to be alone any more. they then refused and took my phone away, leaving me and a teacher i didn't know in an enclosed room. the room has six booths with a small workspace and sides too. you cannot see other people. you have to sit in silence and be escorted to the toilet, which is embarrassing. that day i took an overdose. i didn't want to live any more. i then spent a few days in hospital. then a week at home. after i returned to school, there onwards things got worse. from there, the exclusions started. i was dreading each day as i would often have panic attacks and feel claustrophobic. i feel as though isolation rooms should be banned,
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as they tend to make students feel isolated and helpless, knocking their self—esteem. due to the amount of stress and trauma throughout school, i now suffer with depression and anxiety. that's sophie's experience of being in an isolation booth at her school. her mum, in herfirst ever interview, told us she was devastated when she realized what was happening to her daughter. now she's threatening to take legal action against the government unless they review how isolation booths are used. she suffered with low mood and gradually it had an impact on her personality, because she'd worked really hard with the selective mutism. being in an isolation booth isolated her from her friends, so in turn made her become more internal, so she stopped talking stopped communicating. and when did you first know, as her mum, that she was being put in one of these booths? i didn't actually find out that she was in an isolation booth until year 11.
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i was horrified. i was devastated as a mum, as a parent, that i was sending my child to school every day and she was being placed in an isolation booth. they had a change in teachers during 2017, so they had substitute teachers. she doesn't deal with change very well. there was a change in classrooms, there was a change in routine, and obviously she didn't react very well, so she didn't want to sit in certain rooms. she didn't want to be with certain teachers, so she was placed in the isolation room for her own safety. it was put to me that she would be given work when she was in this room, but actually they're given a thing called independent learning, which means they are responsible for taking their own work into school. there was no break time. there was a lunch. she would be taken to lunch. she'd be taken with the teacher and then escorted back to the isolation room. but because my daughter has packed lunches, she would have her packed lunch in the room. i mean, itjust sounds draconian, doesn't it?
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yes, definitely. it shouldn't be allowed to go on in schools. the whole reason that they have isolation unit, or booths, was to do with incidents that were happening at the time. but it's become that the schools are using them as a prolonged punishment. and which is why you now believe that your daughter was actually being put in one of these isolation booths hundreds and hundreds of times? yes. when you think of that? i'm devastated. i feel like i've let her down. it'sjust.. she's completely changed. she's a completely different child. at one point your daughter took some tablets. yes. when she was in the isolation booth she was trying to take her own life. yes. and she was trying to take her own life, she says, because of the very fact that she was in one of these booths. yes.
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how did you react to that when you found out? i was traumatised. i can't even begin to explain how it makes me feel, knowing that every day i'd sent her into the school and they were placing her in this situation and that she felt that alone that she wanted to take her own life, because she felt like she had no life. she wasn't allowed to be a part of any school life. and she had written a letter, saying that she planned to harm herself... yes. ..before she took these tablets. you were not told of that by the school, i understand? no. it was never disclosed to me. i only found out about the letter a month ago, and the letter was written two months before she actually tried to harm herself. why did they not tell you? i have no idea. what do you think about the fact that they didn't tell you? i think that is atrocious. the school were aware that she was under camhs, so it's like the child mental health. so it should have been something that should have been disclosed to them as well. yeah.
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your daughter has written what it was like at that time. she says... "i decided i'd rather die than be in isolation because of the mood it left me in. i felt alone and trapped at school for such a long time." when you hear those words written by your daughter, what do you think? i feel like i've failed, like i failed heras a parent, and that the school should be held responsible. there should be someone that makes the rules, and the schools are just making whatever rules they see necessary because they're allowed to. they're allowed to run the isolation booths however they see fit because there is no guidelines. there isn't any guidance as to how long children are allowed to stay in there and what they're allowed to be in there for. not just children with disabilities — it's everyday children causing severe mental health problems. i wonder if you're being really harsh on yourself when you say you feel like you've failed as a parent? you didn't know that it
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was an isolation booth. you didn't know that your daughter had written a letter saying that she wanted to harm herself because the school didn't tell you. i mean, you had no idea. ijust feel i should have known. i should have... ..helped her in some way. your daughter goes on, "i begged the teachers to ring my mum, as i didn't want to be alone any more. they then refused and took my phone away. i was dreading each day, as i would often have panic attacks and feel claustrophobic. i think isolation rooms should be banned." iagree. i absolutely agree. i believe in somewhere for a child to go, if at that moment they are causing a problem in a classroom, or they are chaotic and disruptive to other children, but to use it as an ongoing punishment every day is not acceptable. let me bring in dan rosenberg, who is your lawyer. what do you think of the way philippa's daughter sophie has been treated?
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it's absolutely appalling. and i think what is particularly concerning is that her experience is not unique. we had children from across the country come to us with similar stories, with prolonged periods of time in isolation booths, and with that having an effect on their mental health. one of the problems with the guidance is that there are no limits on the number of times children can be put in isolation. and if you're affected by any of the issues in sophie's story, you can get help from the bbc action line. over the last five years in the uk there has been a 400% increase in the number of men being reported as victims of slavery and trafficking. the national crime agency figures show a dramatic rise in men being forced to work as slaves,
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forced to give up their organs and forced to work as prostitutes. we went to meet some of those men who've been trafficked, in this exclusive film. the large numbers of men who are trafficked are trafficked for reasons of forced labour and a smaller number will be victims of sexual exploitation. they are wicked. wickedness. for a young boy like me to go through that. sometimes you feel like, what's the point of life? after i was beaten i learned my lesson. i thought about killing myself. it would be better tojust die and forget about everything. over the past five years the number of men being trafficked to the uk has risen dramatically.
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the national referral mechanism monitors the number of victims of trafficking and modern slavery. and in 2014, figures show there are more than 800 men being trafficked to the uk. that number has risen year on year. last year, there were nearly 4,000 men referred into the national referral mechanism. we've spoken to mike, who, at 12 years old, was brought to the uk from africa and told he would go to school. in fact, his traffickers planned to exploit him. mike isn't his real name. he's asked us to change it, as he's still living in fear of his traffickers. "when you got here," he said, "you're not going to school. you'lljust be working for me." what did that work involve? gardening, cleaning houses from morning to night, six days a week. and what did you get for that? sometimes i was getting £40 a month. it was normal people. he said he was going to do the work,
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but instead of him doing the job, he took me there to do the job and he was the one taking the money. customers raised questions about his age, so his traffickers wouldn't let him stay anywhere for long. he worked for ten years. sometimes people start questioning too much about me. so we would go to a new place where no one would know us. we've moved to 30 different houses during the ten years. mike lives his life in fear and is constantly aware of the threat to his brother's life, who is also working for the same traffickers in another country. all the time was here i was doing things i didn't want to, but because i know if i don't something will happen to him. so you think if you go back to your home country you'll be killed? straight away. my parents were killed in 2005, and one of my brothers in 2006. they killed them and shot them in the head. the traffickers started looking to move me and my brother to the uk.
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with no education orjob, mike is concerned about what the rest of his life will be like now reaching his age. now reaching this age, no education, nothing. sometimes you feel like, what's the point of life? it would be better tojust die and forget about everything. one london—based charity looks after victims of trafficking and modern slavery in five safe houses across south east england. we've gained exclusive access to their nearest safe house, that houses six men. —— to the newest safe house. so, six weeks ago, this modern slavery safe house opened. let's have a look inside. this is a space where the men who are extremely vulnerable can feel at home, but they have few possessions or memories of their life before being trafficked. one of the things you will notice is that there are no photographs no on the wall. we know that men who've been trafficked and are victims of modern
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slavery, many of them will have lost parents as a child. if they do have photographs they're often taken from them as part of the abuse by their captors. as more victims of modern slavery are referred into the national referral mechanism, accommodation is limited. so rather than a safe house like this, men are living with family and friends, sofa surfing or even becoming homeless. this is the kitchen. there are six men living here from right across the world, and most of them will be very isolated and will all be struggling with their own traumas. so, a natural community is the people you live with. and having a space in which they can come together, in which they can make friends and cook, is really important. and can the men bring back visitors to the house? no, they can't. even though these men are now safe, and that they are living with us, they remain at risk from the exploiters.
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and we have had cases in the past where their traffickers have traced them down. that's horrendous. and i suppose the fewer people who have access to this address, the safer it is for everybody? yeah. some men now identifying themselves as victims have been in the country for years. people are often surprised to learn that somebody had been trafficked five years ago or ten years ago or 15 years ago. but it is that long before somebody might be able to acknowledge it to themselves, to understand in even a small way, what's happened and to be in a position where they mightjust be able to tell somebody about it. peter, again not his real name, was brought to the uk from nigeria in the 90s, and sexually exploited for six years by women. decades after his abuse, he has only now signed up to the national referral mechanism, moved into a safe house and told his story. so, over those six years, how many women do you think
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you were forced to have sex with? i know at least three to four women every day. so, three three to four women every day for six years? yeah. so thousands of women potentially? honestly. yes. and how did that make you feel? they are wicked, wickedness. for a young boy like me to go through that, they used me, they messed up my life. and if i say i don't do it, it's a problem for me. after i was beaten, i learnt my lesson. i thought about killing myself when i was there. peter was taken from house to house, where he was forced to sleep with women and take drugs and alcohol. he has no idea how many children he's fathered while he was being sexually exploited. i know countless women that i sleep
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with, without using protection. and i hope these women too, they would not do what they did to me. it's wrong, because they would not wish their son to be in this kind of situation. one of the women who had been abusing peter offered to help him leave his traffickers to live with her. once she picked him up, he escaped at a motorway service station. by the time it got to three years, four years, then i said, "when is this going to stop?" it was from then i knew that, if i do go out of here, i might die. and if i die, nobody will know. the abuse peter endured has had a long lasting effects on him. they messed up my life. i'm almost 50. now look at me.
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i don't have a hope. as more men than ever before acknowledge they have been trafficked to the uk, and seek the help they need, there are still thousands of men living behind closed doors or in plain sight, who need to be rescued from their traffickers. i think the public can can do a lot by paying attention to some of the signs. if a service you're buying is very, very cheap, then it's probably too good to be true. but there are other signs we can watch for as well in terms of how free people are to move around, how free they are to make decisions, how engaged they are, whether somebody is watching over them. we can all together tackle what is both an illegal activity, but an absolutely brutal crime. and if you want any further advice about issues raised in that report, do contact the bbc action line.
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it's almost two years since the devastating fire at grenfell tower in west london that killed 72 people. at the time we met mahad egal. he and his family escaped from their fourth floor flat. and we've been following his story ever since. this week he told us that he and his wife, jamie murray, and their two young children, were facing eviction from their temporary accommodation provided by the council. in march, the family had moved to a nearby home, which should have been their permanent home. but they were so worried about aluminium on the building next door, and whether it was safe, they moved back to their emergency accommodation. jamie murray explained why the family couldn't stay in a permanent home they were given. it can be the best cladding ever. it still gives me a feeling, it still makes me have memories, it still brings back intrusive thoughts.
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the night of the fire, that day changed everything. i still feel like i'm in survival mode from the night that it happened until now. and the council tried to reassure you, and they said it's not cladding, it's not cladding on this new house, hopefully what would have been your permanent home. it's aluminium, it's solid, it's not flammable. like concrete or brick, it doesn't allow flames to spread. why did that not reassure you? because we were given similar reassurances when we lived in grenfell tower. they're talking about your physical safety. so the way that they're saying it is, this isn't going to burn down, you're safe. but how i feel inside my head, when i see that, you can't tell me that i feel safe. how i feel is how i feel. you telling me that i am safe does not make me feel safe. they've tried to say, "oh, don't worry, it's not on your actual building." ok, so my building is here and the block is here. so my building is attached to where the cladding is. so technically it is on my building.
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and regardless of that fact i still have to look at it when i open my curtains. when i'm sitting in my living room, i'm facing the block, i can see it. it's not comfortable. it's not reassuring. it's unsettling. itjust makes me think about what happened. you had a miscarriage? u nfortu nately. i' m really, really sorry to hear that. and that was in the last week, ten days. yeah. honestly, i was distraught because we had just moved into the property and it was like a little cherry on top. it was like, oh. so we've got our forever home again and now we can expand the family, and we're really moving on from the situation. but unfortunately, none of that happened and... yeah. unfortunately, i miscarried and... i don't know. it's just... you know, there's a lot of emotions
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that i can process and i don't have the time or the capacity to process them right now, because i've got other things are going on. a lot of emotions i cannot process. and now the search begins again for a permanent home — as you call it, a forever home? well, yeah. this is all that i'm after. where you feel safe, where there won't be any flashbacks? this is why i want people watching this to understand. like, most of them will be sitting inside their living room right now, with a cup of tea watching the telly. they're in a comfortable, safe environment. we don't have that. we lost that. jamie murray. her husband, mahad egal, told us why he didn't want to move out of the temporary accommodation the council had provided. to be frank, the situation for us is that the children's safety and the children's psychological impact is where we make all our judgements from. moving the kids into another temporary, it's not a reasonable thing to do.
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it's not a plausible thing to do at all and it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be fair on the children to be moved from one property to another. they are very familiar with the current property that they are in, and we believe that the council should support us in achieving our permanent home from here. i suppose to put us through more struggle, because the impacts have been on the children is really detrimental and it's going to be lasting many years into their life, which we will have to pick up the pieces, and we're really trying to appeal to the council to be a bit more empathetic. a bit more appealing in how they work with the survivors and bereaved in the community. they need to change their way. there really has been no change in the culture, in the way that the council deals with you. there's bullying tactics and intimidation tactics that they use, which is pressure
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and it's really not well. and can i ask you, as the family's mp, can you stop them being evicted from this temporary accommodation? i certainly hope so. i've been in contact, i've written to the council several times. i'll be doing it again today. and we're just pleading with them to leave them in peace for a period until until they find somewhere where they do feel safe, permanently. and can you ensure the council continues to pay their rent? we'll certainly be doing our best to do that. for humanity's sake they need to do that. in the area that you represent, how many do you think are still suffering mental health problems almost two years on? a lot of people, and a lot of people are actually getting worse now. there are some people who have moved to new permanent homes who were from the tower or the walkways, who actually thought they were going to be getting much better now, now that they are settled, because some people are settled in homes they feel comfortable in.
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but actually they're not, it takes much longer. actually sometimes people, when they move into their new home, that's when it all opens pandora's box, if you like, and they have to face the issues that they're coming across. national health services have done surveys around the area. one in three people has some degree of trauma, including myself, by the way. you have ptsd, do you? i do. i can't look at any kind of fire, not even a fire on television, because i get flashbacks. it's nothing like what many people have been through. but that makes me really quite unwell to see that. and that'sjust one person. but one in three people have a degree of ptsd in my neighbourhood. and some are getting help they need, and some aren't. the labour mp for kensington, emma dent coad, and mahad egal, speaking to this programme on monday. and after they appeared on our programme, the council told the family in a legal letter they could, after all, stay in their temporary home, but that they would have to join the council house waiting list for a permanent home, albeit at the top of the list, and they're still part
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of the grenfell rehousing programme. that's it for this week. if you want to get in touch with us, do email us. we're back live tuesday morning at ten, bbc two, bbc news and online. thanks for watching. hello. we have started the long easter weekend on a dry, settled and, for many, sunny note. this was portland in dorset a short while ago. things will be hazy for many others through the day. all four nations saw the warmest day of the year so far yesterday. west sussex had the warmest spot in the uk, 23.3 celsius, we will probably beat that today somewhere across south—east england. somewhere around london tomorrow we could see 25 or 26. the reason for this, some strong
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april sunshine and winds from the south—east drawing warm air from central register new. the area of high pressure across scandinavia keeps france at bayjust about, more cloud across northern and western scotla nd cloud across northern and western scotland and northern ireland tonight. lots of sunshine today, some areas of high cloud keeping things hazy at times, but a fine, settled good friday ahead. quite a brisk east or south—easterly wind eggs back temperatures for its none channel coasts. more so. riether northern ireland zampa northern ireland. temperatures widely 19 to 21 or so. afine, dry 21 or so. a fine, dry and fairly clear night for many, some mist and fog, the cloud approach is northern and western scotland and northern ireland, bringing some patchy drizzle by dawn. temperatures generally holding up to around five 01’ generally holding up to around five or six celsius at their lowest, close to double figures in the centre of town. this front lingers
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across northern and western scotland and northern ireland, some occasional light rain and drizzle. further south and east, another dry day with plenty of sunshine helps temperatures tomorrow, up to 23 or 24 celsius around london, 25 or maybe even 26. enter easter sunday, high—pressure dominates. fronts continue to fringe northern and western scotland and northern ireland. we will see more cloud on easter sunday, may some occasional rain. but for much others it isa occasional rain. but for much others it is a fine, dry day on easter sunday. temperatures not quite as high but pleasantly warm in the sunshine, 21 to 23 celsius. it looks like the area of high pressure will stay with us into easter monday, most will be dry, some spells of sunshine, feeling cooler before turning more and settled in the week ahead.
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this is bbc news, i'm carrie gracie, the headlines at 11am. the prime minister has described the killing ofjournalist lyra mckee in londonderry as "shocking and truly senseless". sinn fein said it was "heartbreaking". those people who carried out this attack have no place in society. those people who carried out this attack do not have any support. those people who carried out this attack have attacked all of us. climate change protests in london are entering their fifth day, with more than 1,000 police officers deployed to cover the demonstrations over the easter weekend. local authorities are accused of the social cleansing of people who rough sleep, beg or loiter by misusing council powers to issue fines.
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