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the rnr programme is going to have to address a whole range of issues and this will be one of the key were killed in sunday's issues that will need suicide bombings. to be addressed. officials now says 253 but my lords we need to be clear people were killed. that it will not be a simple matter the uk government is advising to put a sprinkler system to put against all but essential travel to the country. in that part of the building. and that is it for me from now, the foreign office says terrorists but dojoin me on bbc parliament are very likely to try to carry out indiscriminate attacks. on friday nights at 11pm for our round up of the week here at westminster. in christchurch, prince wiliam has delivered but for now, from me, a powerful messsage alicia mccarthy, for now, goodbye. on defeating extremism. the duke of cambridge paid tribute to the courage of the community at the al noor mosque, and praised new zealanders for their compassion in the aftermath of the attack which claimed 50 lives. 31 years after his first challenge for the white house, hello there. the former us vice—president after the warm easter weather joe biden has declared that we saw last weekend, a new presidential bid, putting it's been turning gradually cooler an end to months of speculation. and also more unsettled over mr biden said that the core values the past couple of days. of america's democracy were at stake under president trump. and that unsettled theme continues for the next few days too. this amazing picture was taken as the sun set on thursday now on bbc news, evening in salford. you can see the big shower clouds
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thursday in parliament. that we had, the heavy downpours. a similar picture on friday. there will be some sunshine around, equally some heavy showers in the forecast too. and things will start to feel cold over the next few days. you can see the blue colours, that is a colder air mass filtering in from the north—west. the warm weather that has been with us is now pushing further east across europe. hello there, and welcome to the programme. coming up: labour asks, so for friday morning we have got just who was behind the leak some clear skies for many eastern areas to start off the day. suggesting chinese firm huawei could have a role in the latest more cloud already in the west, with some showery rain mobile data network? for northern ireland, wales, if a minister did leak the southwest of england the information, they are not fit through the morning. that should then push its way to serve in the cabinet — eastwards into southwest scotland, and are certainly not fit northern england too, to be prime minister. before the next bands of showers arrive from the west later in the afternoon. mps condemned the delay so temperatures for the likes in setting up the latest of belfast and cardiff, priorities for england's nhs. only around 11—12, but we could still see 17 degrees and can westminster learn lessons 01’ so across eastern from the notre dame fire to stop the houses of parliament parts of england. from going up in smoke? we should be clear that all heritage but some heavy showers almost anywhere on and off through the day. buildings carry a very withered, into friday evening and saturday, that's when things turn very serious fire risk potential. particularly stormy. storm hannah moving its way in from the atlantic. that's going to be quite but first: the culture secretary has a troublemaker, i think, bringing a wet and a particularly
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condemned the leaking of information windy start to saturday, wherever you are. from the national security council so let's take a look and says he "can't at storm hannah. exclude the possibility it's moving its way in from the atlantic of a criminal investigation". through friday night and into the telegraph reported that the early hours of saturday. theresa may had overruled colleagues so this developing area of low pressure has got a lot of isobars to approve the use of chinese associated with it, particularly technology from the firm huawei on the southern edge. in the next generation so it will be across ireland that we see the very strong winds, mobile data networks. but they're also going to push into national security council is made up of key cabinet ministers, wales and the southwest of england. and the meetings are also attended widespread gales likely here on saturday, with winds gusting by security chiefs. around 60, even 70 mph. huawei's involvement is controversial because of fears it could allow the chinese government so notjust the strength access to uk communications of the wind, but also some really and infrastructure. heavy showery rain for many areas through the day on saturday. the heaviest of the showers labour asked an urgent question about what had happened, and the strongest of the winds pushing eastwards through the day and speculation that it was all across central and eastern to do with leadership wrangling parts of england. among senior tories. should dry up for northern ireland, north—west scotland, and the southwest of what a mess we are in. england later in the day. but it will feel cold, with temperatures generally around 10—12 degrees on saturday. the only reason we know when you add on the windchill of the decision is from an apparent it is going to feel pretty chilly ministerial leak at a meeting and we could well see some of the national security council disruption due to the strength which has only served to raise of the wind. as that area of low pressure then public concern whilst undermining clears to the east into sunday the integrity of our we see a smaller ridge of high pressure building in. security agencies. so sunday the quieter so let me be clear,
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day of the weekend. from the side of the house, if a minister did leak not wall—to—wall sunshine, i think, the information, they are not fit quite a lot of cloud around still. to serve in the cabinet — and are certainly not fit to be perhaps one or two showers just lingering in the east, prime minister. and then more showery rain moving on from the west later in the day. not as cold, though, as saturday, we heard last month in a report with top temperatures for most of us chaired by the head of the ncsc that they still have only limited around about 13 or 1a degrees. bye for now. assurance that the long—term security risk presented by huawei can be managed, and they are still identifying significant issues. ultimately the chronic lack of investment by this government has meant that we are without thriving digital or manufacturing industries capable of producing this equipment, leaving us reliant on foreign suppliers. jeremy wright said no final decision had been made, but he did agree with her about the leaking of information from the national security council. officials including the security welcome to bbc news, intelligence agencies referred to in her remarks — broadcasting to viewers in north america which i'll come back to — and around the globe. my name is mike embley. our top stories: need to feel that they can give officials in sri lanka lower advice to ministers, the death toll from sunday's bombings — they say it's hard which ministers will treat
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to identify how many were killed. seriously and keep private. prince wiliam condemns and if they do not feel that, extremism as he meets victims they will not give us that advice, of the mosques attacks and government will be worse in new zealand. as a result. the message from christchurch that is why this is serious, and the message from al noor and that is why the government and linwood mosques could not be more clear. intends to treat it seriously. the global ideology of hate james gray is a member of the committee for will fail to divide us. national security strategy. most of the questions asked 31 years after his first run as to why a document like this for the white house, are of such huge importance joe biden enters a crowded field of democrats vying to take on president trump. discussed openly at the national security council, and cyclone kenneth makes landfall and the contents themselves equally in northern mozambique — much further of inquiry it's forecast to bring storm surges in whitehall and other places. to a country already devastated by floods. espionage rumours have persisted since 2012 over an elite cyber warfare unit after using huawei's software and utilising flaws in it. why go to such lengths when this place leaks like a sieve is beyond me. but if we don't know, how can we possibly keep that risk?
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the chair of the foreign affairs committee reckoned there were a wider implications for our relations with the countries known as the five eyes — the intelligence alliance between the us, uk, canada, australia and new zealand. this is not simply a technical issue arguing as to whether we would be vulnerable to espionage in a broad sense, or whether huawei would be able to hoover up the digital exhaust that is in fact the gold mine to so many businesses today. it is actually a diplomatic one, undermining the trust that has built a 70—year relationship that keeps threats away from our shores and our citizens around the world. would you not say that this is a fundamentally diplomatic and political questionjust as much as a technical one? there have also been reports, including in the daily telegraph, that chinese technology companies have been complicit in the internal repression of ethnic muslims in western china. this involves the internment of hundreds of thousands of people in the re—education camps
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and the creation of a surveillance state. it is possible that this includes huawei. is the secretary of state aware as to whether there are allegations specifically involving huawei? and if so, should we be doing business with a company that engages and that sort of activity? of course, as the right honourable gentleman says, the concerns that we have about huawei are at least in part due to the potential interlocking nature of what they do and what the chinese state does. that is at the heart of our concern. it is very important that while this might possibly become the subject of a criminal investigation, that we all — both within and outside the house — choose our words very carefully when talking about what clearly happened yesterday. my right honourable friend speaks with the experience
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on this, we cannot — we cannot exclude the possibility of a criminal investigation here. and everybody will want to take seriously that suggestion. when the foreign affairs select committee was in beijing recently, everything everyone we spoke to made it absolutely clear that the chinese communist party will stop at nothing to gain whatever economic and political advantage they can possibly achieve, whether that is through espionage or massive data gathering, or the abuse of intellectual property rights. from the people that we met, there would be an enormous skepticism about engaging directly with huawei, a company that operates directly under chinese law, and is likely at any one moment to suddenly be seized hold of by the chinese state to perform its duties under chinese law, rather than the law of this country.
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mr speaker, i think the honourable gentleman is right, of course, about these concerns, which are legitimately held. i will repeat the point that we are not starting from a standing start, there is already considerable engagement with huawei sought not just in this country, but around the world, and we seek to manage that process in the ways that he knows about. jeremy wright. mps have criticised ministers for failing to publish their requirements for the nhs in england while the deadline's set in law. the document called a mandate outlines the department of health's priorities for the next 12 months. the government has to publish it before the start of the financial year. labour said the fact that it had not been released showed a failure of leadership. he talks about the ten—year long—term plan, but it's no good, him telling us he endorses simon stevens' vision of the nhs in a decade's time when ministers can't even tell us what they expect the nhs to achieve in a year's time. he boasts of the new revenue funding settlement for the nhs, but he seemingly hasn't got a clue
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what he wants the nhs to spend it on in the next 12 months. at the same time, he doesn't talk about the cuts to public health budgets, training budgets, or capital investment. so can he specifically tell us, will his new accountability framework deliver for patients in the next 12 months? the right honourable gentleman welcomed the long—term plan back in january. it is absolutely clear, and there was evidence in front of the public accounts committee yesterday by the permanent secretary an dthe chief executive of the nhs england that whilst obviously it would be better to publish by the deadline, it is more important that the mandate is right than published on a particular day. it is more important we get this document for the long—term strategy of the nhs correct. therefore, as simon stevens, the chief executive of the nhs said, is there any problem with this short delay to the mandate? it is an important document, but it's causing him no problems.
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the minister did receive some support. i say to the minister, i think most people in the nhs will welcome the short delay if the result makes them more possible to achieve the nhs's objectives, which is serving the patient together. but several mps took a different feel. for most of my professional life, i was an nhs planner. and can i assure the minister that the great expectations and anticipation amongst nhs planners for planning guidance in the mandate is very real? because they are public servants who expect to be held accountable and do what the government asks them to do. it is unacceptable to leave them in the dark, and a total insult to patients, taxpayers who pay for services expect and know what they can receive locally. that delay is inexcusable. i am really not following the minister in why this
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mandate has been published. and i wonder whether it's been because of the paralysis in government because of the brexit shambles? or is it because of the hsj are reporting, that the health secretary is focused on an anticipated leadership race? obviously his thoughts are elsewhere. my right honourable friend is addressing a conference in manchester, talking about the gender pay gap and how this side will close it in the nhs. i would've thought the honourable lady would've liked to welcome that, rather than shout at me. a change uk mp wanted to know about the policy document, or green paper, the government has promised to publish on social care. the truth is it's very difficult for the nhs to make plans without knowing what the government's plans are for social care. we know following a response that was made to a question in yesterday's debate that the green paper has actually been written. there is simply no excuse for the continued delay in its obligation to allow both this house to scrutinise it, but also for the nhs to be able to provide a truly integrated
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approach to health and social care. and just saying that it will be published soon is no longer acceptable. and what i'd like the minister to set out is when we can expect to see this vital document so that we can properly scrutinise the government's plans? the honourable lady knows that this house, and indeed her committee will have the fullest opportunity to scrutinise that document when it's published. she also knows that there is a commitment to publish that soon. she also knows that it is and will deliver, as she rightly points out, on the need to ensure that health and social care are integrated. stephen hammond. you are watching thursday in parliament with me, alicia mccarthy. and if you want to watch any of the programmes on the go, you can find us on the bbc iplayer. just search for parliament. now elections to the european parliament take place next month,
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which means that as well as british citizens being able to take part, eu citizens in the uk have the right to vote as well. the poll will go ahead on the 23rd of may unless the comments agrees to a exit withdrawal deal before then. the cabinet office minister was brought to the chamber to explain what eu citizens living in the uk needed to do. to vote in the uk, citizens of eu member states need to be registered to vote and to complete the declaration form stating their wish to vote and the uk by tuesday the 7th of may 2019. it's accessible on the local commissions and authority websites. and it is to ensure that eu citizens do not vote twice, here and in the member state of origin. as always it is illegal to vote twice in the same election. he said that before brexit had been differed from the original date of the 29th of march. we had already encouraged eu citizens to vote in their home country for 2019 eu parliamentary elections and we expect most eu
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citizens in the uk will have followed previous advice to ensure that they use their vote and are able to do so and their member state of citizenship. the labour mp who triggered this urgent statement that theresa may had confirmed participation in the elections very late in the day. these unusual circumstances and the government's complete lack of action has helped create an artificial barrier to the enfranchisement of eu citizens. instead, we are already hearing reports of a formal legal challenge to the government, yet another brexit mistake. what i would say to the honourable lady, we would not be in this position if she and more of her colleagues voted on the 29th of march and we wouldn't be holding these election and there would be the opportunity to do just that. because this government maintained this position about eu elections at the 11th hour even at dominant when it was clear that the brexit deal would not pass, they have onlyjust started the process of contacting registered european citizens. there is now only 13 days left
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until the deadline and so far fewer than 300 forms have been returned. it equates to 0.015% of registered eu citizens. given what eu citizens have been put through over the last few years it is particularly concerning that their voice may not be heard in the elections and it is very well for the master to suggest that they go home to vote but as has been suggested, or has been pointed out by the honourable member, who i congratulate for getting this urgent question, many of the registers are already closed in other european union countries because unlike us, their government was organised. mr speaker there was of course a very easy solution to all of this, wasn't there? let's stop mucking about and call the whole thing off. as my honourable friend knows well, i often agree and enjoy his very direct cutting through the marks and he hasjust proven again on the floor of this house, getting to the core point in such a simple way that i say i entirely
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agree and i hope we have a chance in his house to express the will it should have done on march the 29th and that is approved the bill and leave the eu and deliver on the referendum result. now the international trade secretary has rejected the idea ofjoining the customs union with the eu after brexit. a customs union means that countries do not put tariffs or taxes on goods coming from countries in that union. and set the same taxes on goods coming in from outside. labour wants a customs union with the eu after brexit. if we were to be part of the eu customs union after brexit, the united kingdom as the world's fifth biggest economy can kiss goodbye the chance of an independent trade policy for a visit very good reason, being a member of the customs union was rolled out of the conservative party manifesto. where this to become government policy, with the secretary of state and the entire ministerial team be
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honour bound to resign. mr speaker it is very clear that we do not want to see a customs union and put in place for one of the reasons that my honourable friend has already given, as a third country, the eu would be able to negotiate the access to the biggest market without any due consideration to be an impact on the united kingdom. we would find ourselves in a totally new trading possession and our access to the market would be traded for us. is the secretary of state except that even outside the european union, other countries will seek to restrict our strain, has in the us said that it would seek to restrict the trading ability of any country that seeks to trade for instance, with china. the united states is perfectly entitled to set out objectives for trade as are we and we believe that trade is best operated through the rules —based international system based on the wto. countries can have their own opinion but it is still the say best way to carry out trade.
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we know the benefit of a customs union particularly for the integrated supply chains on which so much of our manufacturing success is based, what assessments has he made at the net economic benefit of an independent trade policy in this short, medium and long—term. we can get the benefits of the customs union and no rules of origin checks through the mechanism set out in the government popped my proposal on our future relationship with the european union. of course the ability to access growing markets will be dependent on the ability to create trade agreements with those. we see a report that suggested by 2030 that in the proportion of trade will be above 50% for the first time since the 19th century. we have been in a position to take advantage of that. ministers face accusations from mps across the parties that schools in england are faced
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with a funding crisis. the backbench debate was led by the conservative ann maine. this is a finding crisis to crisis and it needs to be addressed. brexit cannot be the excuse for kicking the can and a long grass. record levels of funding are going into our schools and the simple fact tells us that more money is being spent and that is a good thing but schools as i have said before are not feeling the effects of the increased. this government is letting down the next generation and ministers are failing to make the investment as needed and the government is endangering our prosperity and productivity by not investing in education and skills. it mystifies me that perhaps the most important public service of all, our education and skills for our country does not seem to receive the same amount of attention or public advocacy to a similar path as we now see for the national health service.
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today 91% of schools have less money per pupil than they did in 2015. rising people numbers, rising levels of special needs, these are increased costs but also other services are cut, such as health support, schools are forced to scan them except into the breach without the money. a conservative accepted schools were having to meet costs they never had before, even though there had been increases. funding for our children's primary and secondary schools has gone up to 43.5 billion for next year. if this is £13 billion increase. since 2010, or children's are in good or outstanding schools and the gaps for disadvantage peoples have been noted and there are tens of thousands more teachers and teaching assistants. when the chance i came to this house with his budget, the promise of little extras for schools was given a platitude, and these token gestures of cashier and there go no way to repairing damaged the long—term
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underinvestment has done to our schools. the minister said he'd to be setting out the case for education in the next spending review but more was being spent and targeted where it was needed most. since april of last year we started to distribute funding through the new national funding formula with each area's allocation taking into account the individual needs and characteristics of the pupils and schools. schools are already benefiting from the gains of the funding formula. we have given every local authority for more money for every pupil and every school and allocating the biggest increases to the schools of the previous system had left most underfunded. the schools minister. finally, after the devastating fire at notre dame cathedral and paris, fears were raised over another
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iconic building closer to home. the houses of parliament mostly date from the 19th century but some part scope back as far as 1099. much of the building's mechanical and electrical systems such as heating, lighting and power were installed after world war ii and are due to be replaced in a major restoration and renewal programme. in the lords, peers wondered what would happen if fire broke out at westminster. we all love this place and when i saw the notre dame going up and smoke a week or so ago, my first thought was a could happen to us here. i'm really pleased that we were told that the smoke detectors in most of the places up in the roof and it will be completed by the end of this year, i think the minister said. so my question really is when smoke is detected, how do you put the fire out? because we have seen from the initial reports of notre dame that within less than half an hour, between smoke being found,
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there was an inferno up there. this is a very important question and we are anxious to learn lessons from notre dame as we have from other heritage buildings. we should be clear that all heritage buildings carry with it a very serious fire risk potential. under the proposed restoration and renewal — or r&r — programme, the commons and the lords would be decanted elsewhere while the builders move in. the the earlier we can bring forward the decanting, the better for the shaping of the building and when he therefore ensure that they look very carefully at sir michael hopkins realistic proposals for putting the chamber of the other place and portcullis house, which sir michael himself was the architect of, and if we have an addition, a temporary structure on the embankment gardens, the two chambers can be moved far more quickly than our current proposals.
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the noble lords will know about the arrangements for looking at the r&r programme and taking that forward. all that i can add at this stage is to say that i think for all of us, the fire at notre dame ought to be a spirit to get on and move to the implementation of the r&r programme. one of the problems in notre dame was a lack of sprinklers and recently in renovations in new york, st patrick's cathedral have installed sprinklers. and they have painted old beams with fire retardant. what plans are currently under way for us to do that at the palace of westminster for extra security?
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my lords, a huge amount of work has been undertaken for the past three years and that includes more than 700 fire doors, improving the compartmental arrangements within the building and improving the ways of getting people out of the building, should there be a threat of fire. but there is more to be done. we have managed to get a fire sprinkler arrangement in the basement which is probably the most vulnerable area of the building. and we will continue with the programme and so many different ways. and will not go through it all but there is a substantial work programme already in place. i am sure we are all glad that the roofing section has smoke alarms and i was shocked there is no sprinkler system. can he explain why there is no sprinkler system? i am rather sceptical about the argument that compartmentalization is the answer to the vulnerability. 00:25:41,748 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 that is the case of the titanic.
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