hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. good morning. we've learned that another 150 victims of the contaminated blood scandal may have died since a public inquiry was first announced two years ago. as the hearings begin today, we'll hear the story of steve diamond, who died last year. steve's dying words were that he wanted them to repent. i promised him they would and that's a promise i intend to keep. maternity services under one health board in south wales are placed into special measures, after an external review identified "serious failings". there were a string of stillbirths and neonatal deaths at two hospitals

we will bring you reaction. wildlife presenter chris packham tells us exclusively he's received a very calculated death threat to his family — the latest in a series of serious threats and suspicious packages he's got after backing a ban on farmers killing certain species of birds. orchestrating my death through means of, you know, various different means, you know? a car crash? yeah. "we could organise a car crash. "we could organise poisoning you. "we could organise all sorts of things." my my goodness! spot the difference between these two bags. apart from the colour. one was made by a yorkshire family business. the other was on sale in aldi. in an exclusive interview, we'll talk to the businessman taking legal action against the supermarket because he claims they copied his design.

hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. our exclusive interview with chris packham in which he tells us about the horrific death threat he has received in the last 2a relative is coming to you at about 10:20am. he's had human excrement posted to his hosue but yesterday he received one very, very serious and specific death threat. it was a letter threatening to harm him and his family. and he talks about the fact that facebook have not taken his home address down, despite him saying he has asked them. first, annita mcveigh has the news. good morning. a public inquiry is due to hear evidence today into how around 3000 patients died after being given infected blood in the 19705 and 805. many more suffered debilitating illnesses, including hepatitis and hiv, in what's been described as the worst treatment disaster in the history of the nhs.

the government has announced an increase in financial support for some of those affected. personal testimonies are going to be heard, the infected and affected, about how this has devastated and traumatised their lives, and the fact that so many of these people have led quiet lives of desperation away from the camera because of the stigma around it all. victims of anti—social behaviour are being left to suffer in silence, according to a new report. victims commissioner baroness newlove said police, local councils and housing providers were downplaying the harm caused by crimes such as vandalism. the government says it's committed to ensuring victims get the response they deserve. japanese emperor akihito has stepped down from the throne, making him the first monarch to abdicate in more than 200 years. the 85—year—old is resigning because of his declining health — he will be succeeded by his son tomorrow. the country's annual spring holiday has been extended to a record ten days to mark occasion.

officials in the united states say they are working to confirm whether a video released yesterday — which appears to show the leader of the so—called islamic state group — is genuine. it's the first sighting of abu bakr al—baghdadi since 2014. reports had suggested that he'd been badly injured or even killed. labour's governing body will meet on tuesday to discuss whether to call for a public vote on brexit as part of its european election manifesto. the national executive committee is split between holding a referendum on any deal, holding one with caveats, or rejecting the idea altogether. the party is also holding talks with government ministers to try to agree a brexit deal and break the deadlock in parliament. the university of cambridge is to investigate its own historical links with slavery and will examine how it might have gained financially. it has launched a two—year study that will examine its archives to see whether it gained from the slave trade. universities have faced

questions about the legacy of links to slavery. inequality will remain entrenched in the uk from birth to work unless the government takes urgent action — that's according to a warning from the social mobility commission. its state of the nation report said the situation had remained virtually stagnant since 2014. it is calling on ministers to provide additional funding for older teenagers in education and to extend free childcare to more low income families. the government said it would take the recommendations seriously. two people have been arrested after a photo purporting to show the postmortem examination of footballer emiliano sala was posted on twitter. a woman, who's a8, and man, who's 62, from wiltshire have been arrested on suspicion of unauthorised access to computer material. argentine striker sala, 28, died in a plane crash injanuary. police said there was no evidence to suggest a break—in at the mortuary.

while friendly and cute, this whale has secrets. found near a northern norweigan island, this whale is believed to have been trained by the russian navy, and was wearing a camera holder. though it mostly seemed interested in fish and playing fetch. a rather curious story. that's it for now, back to you, victoria. good morning. this programme has been told exclusively another 150 victims of the contaminated blood scandal may have died since a public inquiry into the tragedy was first announced less than two years ago. in total, almost 5,000 people with the disorder haemophilia were infected with hiv and hepatitis c in the 19705 and 805. thousands more may have been exposed through blood transfusions after an operation or childbirth. victims and their families have fought for yea r5 for a full public inquiry. that was granted by theresa may in 2017 and we're expecting the opening remarks in around

20 minutes' time. 0ur reporterjim reed has been following this for the last few years and is here now. it is the first day of this public inquiry and the scale of this is very large, some lawyer5 think it could be the biggest public inquiry in british legal history. that is why it is moving around the country, it starts in london, then it moves to belfast, leeds, edinburgh and to belfast, leed5, edinburgh and down to cardiff. they think more than 2500 people will want to give evidence and it could last between two and up to five years. and what exactly are they going to be looking into? the scandal goe5 the scandal goes back decades and the effects of this are being felt today very much. in the late 705, early 805, thousands of people received contaminated blood product5, received contaminated blood products, and it tended to effect

specific groups in society. 0ne grew particularly affected where people with the blood disorder haemophilia, 5000 british haemophiliacs contracted hepatitis c as a result, another 1200 also contracted hiv and of those 5000, roughly 5000, getting on for 3000 people had not died. you can see the scale of the tragedy is huge. that is why we have the public inquiry. —— getting on for 3000 people had since died. it is being asked whether moore should have been done to recognise warnings much earlier in the process, were warnings ignored in the early ages for some reason? did drug companies do enough to protect people? were drugs being shipped from the united states into this country that companies should have known were contaminated or dangerous, or did they know? and why had so many patient records being lost or

destroyed ? patient records being lost or destroyed? wa5 patient records being lost or destroyed? was there an attempt to cover—up the scandal in some way by the civil service will help service? we do know the answer, that is why we have the public inquiry. in france, for example, people have gone to prison at very senior levels because of the scandal, that has never happened here and it's one reason why so many families, relatives and victims want to see justice. you had spoken in detail too many victims, as have i, what are they saying at this point? one of the very sad things about this is that many of the people affected back then are very sick indeed, since this public inquiry was announced only in july since this public inquiry was announced only injuly 2017, we now think that more than 150 british haemophiliacs had died of complications related to the contaminated blood scandal. 0ne person we have spoken to a lot of call steve diamond, he was infected in the late 705 or early 805, this

i5 in the late 705 or early 805, this is you speaking to him in october last year. having hepatitis c for so long obviously destroys the liver, deforms the liver, and so the blood doesn't flow around the body properly and it creates what they call varices of the stomach wall, and they burst, and as a haemophiliac you are in serious trouble. and that's happened six times in the last two years. and one of life's little ironies is that the drugs that cleared my hepatitis c in 2015 have caused massive hearing loss. so it's almost, as andy was saying, you just never enjoy good health throughout your life. that was steve speaking to us in 0ctober, that was steve speaking to us in october, that was the last time we ever saw him, he died two days before christmas from complications related to the contaminated blood scandal. his wife sue will be at the public inquiry later today. this is her story of what happened to her,

steve a nd her story of what happened to her, steve and her family. sue: steve was born in exeter in 1956. he was a mild haemophiliac — a blood disorder in which the clotting process does not complete itself. the risks are more severe bleeding or bruising, but the main risks are medical interventions. right, i don't know if you can see... was he not dapper? but, yeah, that's the young, funny, clever man. i'd actually forgotten he once looked like that. we met at university, we met at a freshers‘ reception, in 1974, in exeter. my strongest memory is rushing to the station to get the train, rushing onto the platform to see it was delayed again, looking up the platform and steve

would emerge from the waiting room, and that was like this greatjoy that i'd got his company. announcer: ..for the 11:49 great western railway... it's that bit, once you've got to there, and you've got the clear view of the sea... we decided to actually stay together after i graduated. so for the rest of that summer term, he moved in with me to my flat in dawlish. he'd got a massive bruise on his thigh, the size of a postcard, and it worried me. and because steve was not in the habit of getting haemophilia treatment, we sort of thought about it and he decided he would go and have it checked out. and they injected him with the new wonder drug, factor viii, and they told him that this would be... this was great for him. in what is said to be the biggest medical disaster since the health service was set up, more than 1,000 people with haemophilia have been infected with aids antibodies. the widow of a haemophiliac,

who was hiv positive, has been granted legal aid. nearly 5,000 of them were infected with hepatitis c or hiv. we got married in 1980. steve had this accident, went to the hospital, and this is when the young registrar took some stuff off a shelf and said, "oh, no, we can do it here," treated him with factor viii, and that bruise disappeared within an hour, so it was totally unnecessary. he was told the next day that he'd been exposed to hiv, and that really put an end to our possibility of having children. so it was our first home. this is where he was when the 18—month nightmare of the hiv testing started. so you'd been living here at the time. we were here, yeah. yeah. and the phone was on the kitchen wall, right at the back of the house.

and i can remember the day they rang up to say that the last test had been negative, so it was considered he hadn't been infected. and i canjust remember sort of seeing him on the phone and just realising then how serious the risk of hiv had been. he was told he was clear of the hiv, but no mention was made of the hepatitis c in 1993. he was told that they had found antibodies of hepatitis c in his blood tests. the consequences were cirrhosis, cancer, transplant, premature death, and he was told that bluntly. and so we were told within 24 hours we would never have children and that he was going to die early. blood supplies from the 19705 to 1991 came from prisons orfrom paid donors in the united states. it took years to establish the risks. the feeling that a lot of people are left with that it might have been avoided. i would like to say sorry on behalf of the government for something that

should not have happened. we came back to the uk in 2009, we had got referred to the national liver centre at king's. the new treatments came on stream. the treatment worked, but his liver was so badly damaged, and on the day he was told that he had got the, um, sustained viral response, and it was considered cleared, he was also told that the blip was cancerous. and within six weeks he was actually being operated on for cancer. the chances of being alive one year after a transplant are... i want to try and understand how so many warnings from as early as the 19505 were ignored, and how any government can put a small, vulnerable part of their community at such a severe risk. and who was responsible? and for those responsible,

i'd like them to never enjoy a night's sleep ever again for what they did. he woke up feeling weird and vomited blood. and what they said was that his liverfailure had caused his kidneys to fail, so his respiratory system and his heart would fail. and they took him up to the intensive care, and the last thing he said to me was, "i love you". and he knew i was there, cos i had said that to him as well. and the last thing he actually said was that he wanted those who'd done this to him to repent. and so, one o'clock in the morning, he was holding my hand... and he left me, but still holding my hand. this was steve's favourite place,

he told me that very recently. there's burial grounds sort of over there somewhere, but it's high like this and it looks across the moor. i want to see justice, i want to see people called to account. i want to see those who actually are found to have behaved inappropriately, be it criminally, irresponsibly, negligently, made to explain themselves, made to look at the population that they have harmed so badly. steve's dying words were that he wanted them to repent. i promised him they would and that's a promise i intend to keep. we can speak now to des collins, senior partner at collins solicitors, who is representing over 1,000 victims and their families.

frankie for coming on the programme. good morning. -- thank you for coming on the programme. this is a huge moment for those affected by the scandal, many, like steve, are not around to witness it. many have waited 40 years, it is tinged with expectation and deep sadness for those who had died in the past 40 yea rs, those who had died in the past 40 years, they cannot put it behind them completely. are you confident them completely. are you confident the inquiry will get to the truth?|j am the inquiry will get to the truth?” am confident it will try, provided it can carry out its work in the way it can carry out its work in the way it wants to. ian not entirely confident that the vested interests, such as the farmer companies and the department of state, will perhaps not be as comprehensively useful to the inquiry as they might be. —— the pharma companies. was there a cover 7 pharma companies. was there a cover es, pharma companies. was there a cover up? yes, i can say that emphatically because over the past two years we have looked at about 4000 documents from the national archives showing

quite clearly there was a cover—up, i think it is now accepted by the department of health. i don't think they have used that word, they were possibly less transparent and they might have been. and government speak that means cover—up. the face you have seen evidence to suggest that? it has been collected from the national archive largely as a result of freedom of information requests, it isa of freedom of information requests, it is a result of our having seen that that we fully believe the public inquiry was finally called. nigel has texted, he says i had never told my story before, i have a lwa ys never told my story before, i have always been very private. i and haemophilia, i was given contaminated blood products which gave me hepatitis c, which then gave me cirrhosis. i now have untreatable liver cancer. this scandal has killed me. iwill liver cancer. this scandal has killed me. i will not be around for the end of this inquiry. my wife died in 2012 from breast cancer, leaving me a single—parent at the seven—year—old daughter, now i will

die, leaving my beautiful little girl without her parents. 0h, die, leaving my beautiful little girl without her parents. oh, gosh, it is so upsetting. i wantjustice not for me, but for my daughter. there are some people whose stories we do not know about. so many stories that no one knows about. one of the things that has, because to me in the two years i have been working on this, the baton has been passed from the last generation to the next, the people who have fought for 40 yea rs the next, the people who have fought for 40 years ago tired and worn out, they are becoming slightly defeated, but their children are very well. this e—mailfrom but their children are very well. this e—mail from helen, but their children are very well. this e—mailfrom helen, she says but their children are very well. this e—mail from helen, she says she had herfirst child in a hospital in south london in 1978, it was a difficult delivery but her son and she were fine, she lost a lot of blood and had a blood transfusion up to the bed. she says since becoming aware of the contaminated blood scandal i have become wondering how i would notify picked up anything

nasty? would it have become obvious by now without any tests? she says i am help people 65 but it is in the back of my mind. what should she do? go and be tested immediately. we don't want to involve ourselves in scaremongering tactics, that is wrong, but it somebody is frightened, the fear can be taken away frightened, the fear can be taken r frightened, the fear can be taken away very quickly through a number of very discreet tests. to be -- do you believe there are people who have been affected who might not know? there will be a number of people, i had to be, who do not know. what sort of numbers? my view would be no more than 5000. there are otherfigures... would be no more than 5000. there are other figures. .. that is a big enough number. that is the maximum i would have said from our research. we have a good idea of the numbered haemophiliacs involved, we think around 4800, but the blood transfusion group is the group we

are not so clear on? yes. the haemophilia group have been very well organised over the years and have been pressing for this public inquiry and pressing for reforms to government and administration and the people who went through whole blood transfusions have been less organised and they are the ones who will be more at risk of not knowing. if you want to get in touch on that story, please e—mail us or text is, as nigeldid. story, please e—mail us or text is, as nigel did. thank you for sharing your story, nigel, as sad as it is. still to come: two maternity units in wales are put into special measures after concerns about the number of babies stillborn or dying after only a few weeks — we speak to one mother whose baby died at one of the hospitals. transformed from a respectable law—abiding coin dealer into a crystal meth dealer

who divorced his wife and came out as gay. we speak to richard lubbock and his son james about the turn his life took. wildlife presenter chris packham tells us exclusively he's received a ‘very calculated' death threat to his family. it's the latest in a series of serious threats and suspicious packages he‘s got after managing to get landowners‘ and farmers‘ gun licences revoked for shooting certain species of birds. one of the packages contained a wooden plaque with a drawing of a penis on it. the second package contained human faeces. last week two dead crows were hung on his garden gate. earlier this year mr packham set up a company called wild justice to take legal action on behalf of wildlife against public bodies. in february it challenged the licences that allow farmers to shoot birds including carrion crows, wood pigeons, and magpies that damage crops

or attack livestock. the move provoked a backlash from farmers groups and others. chris has been telling me this morning what has been happening since the first threats were made. well, i have received parcels in the post, some of which have been humorous or innocuous. if you unsolicited letters with people ranting about their cause, but nothing offensive. 0ne package full of human excrement which has been taken by the police for analysis, they had some dna from that. an enormous torrent of abuse on social media. at the most perturbing thing, ifiam media. at the most perturbing thing, if i am really honest, is a number of small businesses that i work with, and charities, have been so bombarded by bullies they have had to ta ke bombarded by bullies they have had to take down their trip advisor, ta ke to take down their trip advisor, take down their facebook. because of the link with you? yes. it is not theirfight. i

the link with you? yes. it is not their fight. i am the link with you? yes. it is not theirfight. i am used to the link with you? yes. it is not their fight. i am used to getting this sort of bullying. i am extremely resistant to it. i have had a lifetime of bullying for various reasons, it goes over my head, but i do not expect them to be that resistance. it is understandable they are upset if they receive this. pick on me, do not pick on these people. they do not pick on these people. they do not necessarily subscribe to all of my views. i am working with them on other things, in some cases charitable. by damaging them you are damaging the welfare of animals and people trying to look after the environment. tella is about the horrific u received yesterday?” environment. tella is about the horrific u received yesterday? i got home from filming and received a letter which was a very calculated death threat directed towards myself and my family. which at the moment we are reporting to the police, we are going through the process, they are going through the process, they are collecting it today and taking

it for analysis. or death threats are serious, why was this very calculated? in the structure of its composition it is designed to elicit as much fear as possible, they are unspecific about where and when, they are principally saying you will never be safe, you will never be able to go out. we will always be there. suggesting they will harm you in what way? a whole catalogue of things, they have listed. can i be very honest? for me, this is part and parcel of the process. i am campaigning for change, people are resista nt to campaigning for change, people are resistant to change in every walk of life. we are asking them to make some pretty tough decisions in order to protect the environment. i understand that certain factions will lash out, and i expect this. it will lash out, and i expect this. it will never sway me from michael‘s. will lash out, and i expect this. it will never sway me from michael's.” will never sway me from michael's.” will come back to that, what you are campaigning for. it terms of the nature of what has been threatened

against you and your family nature of what has been threatened against you and yourfamily in nature of what has been threatened against you and your family in this horrific letter, things like what? 0rchestrating my death through various different means. like a car crash? yeah,. we could organise a car crash. we could organise poisoning you. we could organise these things. my goodness. i know these things. my goodness. i know the viewers might think this is simply bravado and fault stoicism, people like myself who are —— who will not tolerate injustice actual are very dogged and determined. i cannot allow these sorts of things to sway me. there are too few people standing up and fighting to protect our environment, our landscape, our wildlife. there is no chance that i can step down, ijust had to carry on, andi can step down, ijust had to carry on, and i will do so. can ijust

asked, i will come back to that, other police taking this very seriously? they are being absolutely superb, extremely helpful. lets go back to the fact that you successfully challenge this general licence that allows the shooting of 16 species of birds, including crows, jays and wood pigeons. this has caused this latest controversy, some farmers are really cross because they say it is playing havoc with their farming calendar and they cannot protect some of their own species. that is what is behind these threats? unfortunately lots of fa ke these threats? unfortunately lots of fake news has been generated off the back of this. our purpose was to question the validity of the implementation of these licenses, there is no doubt that in the way they currently stand and operate,

huge numbers of birds are killed not because they are pests or damaging anyone‘s interest, simply because it is legal to kill them. people will go out with the sole purpose of killing something for pleasure. at no stage have we ever striven to make it any more difficult for farmers or anyone with a vested interest in whatever they are doing to control animals they might consider pests. but in order to do that they had to show they have explored every other means of control, scaring them, netting, so on. as the licences stood, but was not being satisfied. what has happened in the aftermath, in the short period of time that licences we re short period of time that licences were not available, and they are now available again, certain lobbies have used this as an opportunity to generate an enormous amount of fake news in order to try to destroy the integrity of conservationists like myself, because they are resistant

to change, they do not want the ability to kill wildlife or fund taken away. as a consequence, we are mired in this. they want to do it forfun? if you are a farmer and you have a crop and animal succumbing to it and you cannot scare them off and you cannot netted, you can have a licence to do that. in many european countries you can apply for a licence. at the moment if you are a landowner or her permission, you can go on the land may be miles from your own home, you may not be a farmer with any vested interest, you can shoot the 16 species of birds at any time of the year with no reason. from the british association of shooting and conservationists, they say for everyone reliant on general license is the withdrawal of them has come at the worst possible time of year when land, young crops and

testing birds including curlew and lapwing are testing birds including curlew and la pwing are utmost testing birds including curlew and lapwing are utmost needed protection from marauding birds like pigeons. natural england withdrew the licences, when we put in our application for judicial review we suggested the license was continued until the end of next year and that would give natural england nine months to look at how they would change it so it could be implemented legally next year. we weren‘t part and parcel of that decision to remove the licences at all. we were merely doing our duty as conservationists to raise this issue. so we could better protect birds which were being needlessly killed, let‘s stress that, needlessly killed, not birds which we re needlessly killed, not birds which were doing damage to any crops. final thought, a number of people a lwa ys final thought, a number of people always ask, how are you as a bbc television presenter able to work with certain campaigns and publicly state your views in a way other hosts aren‘t allowed to? state your views in a way other hosts aren't allowed to? i'm not strictly a bbc tv presenter, i work on the bbc presented at times, i‘m not a bbc employee, and contracted to work on a daily basis on

programmes that i work on. i am a freelancer, of course. i am employed on the basis of my expertise, i don‘t do cookery, gardening, i do wildlife and i think the viewers traditionally come of the bbc, expect to have those sorts of documentary programmes fronted by people who know what they are talking about. final, finalthought, you‘ve contacted the police over the letter you received. horrific letter that you received in the post yesterday, do you have confidence that they will catch the people who wrote ican that they will catch the people who wrote i can say that they will catch the people who wrote ican sayi that they will catch the people who wrote i can say i had any confidence, the police would have to tell me that, we know they are enormously skilful these days, they‘ve taken dna from the other things which are come in the post so they are working as hard as they possibly can. i think the key thing is they are showing you diligence, they are being extremely helpful and that whatever happens, i will have to carry on and absorb this and soak it up. in the meantime, your address is on facebook, why haven‘t they taken a is on facebook, why haven‘t they takena dan? is on facebook, why haven‘t they taken a dan? facebook, i can speak

so kindly about them, i‘m afraid. why haven‘t they removed it? facebook are difficult, they are extremely resistant to these sorts of things and that address is out there, it‘s also out there with invitations to send me dead animals and all sorts of other things, there‘s definitely incitement to violence but facebook over to you. thank you so much for talking to was, thank you for coming on the programme. it‘s a pleasure. judy says we need more people like chris to fight for the countryside and environment, ignore the haters, they are in it for themselves and they don‘t give a dan about the greater issue. henry says, packham isn‘t the first and last week and to receive death threats for speaking out against the needless exploitation and killing of animals. being threatened for violence for edge advocating nonviolence makes no sense, i feel ashamed for being the same species as those sending those threats. and this text specify on earth would someone want to hurt chris, a much loved nature tv

presenter. stay strong. and someone has put it much stronger, don‘t let the b word get you down, chris. next maternity services under one health board in south wales have been put in special measures this morning — after dozens of serious incidents including the deaths of babies. an independent report, just out, looks at services under the coom taff health board, which cares for mums in and around bridgend, merthyr tydfil and the rhonddha valley. 43 cases between 2016 and 2018 were looked at, including four still births and eight neonatal deaths, which is when a baby dies in the first 28 days after birth. they all occurred at the royal glamorgan hospital and the prince charles hospital. 0ur reporter — tomos morgan — is outside

prince charles hospital, which is in merthyr tydfil tell us what the report has highlighted. the independent review ordered by the welsh government, a day after the health board said it was investigating dozens of incidents that happened between 2016 and 2018, the independent review found maternity services at this health board were working under extreme pressures, under suboptimal clinical and managerial leadership. the review, which was carried out by the royal college of obstetricians, gynaecologists as well as the royal couege gynaecologists as well as the royal college of midwives, said they had heard stories that were distressing, difficult and sometimes shocking to listen to and they found 11 areas of immediate concern which included amongst them, fragmented consultant coverfor amongst them, fragmented consultant cover for the labour wards, unacceptable cover for the labour wards, u na cce pta ble co nsulta nt cover for the labour wards, unacceptable consultant availability

during out—of—hours, and midwifery staffing levels that would not comply with previous standards. staffing levels and managerial leadership with the key outcomes of this review, they were not up to scratch in the two maternity services here in merthyr tydfil and the royal glamorgan hospital and there have been concerns raised about the maternity services in this health board, an investigation by the welsh audit office in 2011 said there were issues regarding staffing issues back then and just recently, after yea rs of issues back then and just recently, after years of delay, there have now been changes to the maternity services here, this is not the only hospital and the only services in the health board that now has a doctorate lead service for women in labour and neonatal issues. when babies are born, the maternity service actually is now only a 24—hour midwifery led unit. a number of issues that have come out of this review and as you mentioned, the health minister has put the services

into special measures following this review. thank you very much. well here now is — jessica western — her daughter macie died from brain damage after 19 days. her case is one of the 43 being looked at. alexandra davies - had a baby in prince charles hospitalfour weeks ago, and says midwives were openly crying in the corridors. she‘s also a labour councillor. jelena jankovic is the shadow health minister for jelena jankovic is the shadow health ministerfor plaid jelena jankovic is the shadow health minister for plaid cymru. jessica, your reaction to some of the headlines from this report. it's just awful. in a way, we are relieved that we have some kind of a nswe rs. relieved that we have some kind of answers. after a year of chasing ourselves around and around asking for the answers and looking for the

a nswe rs. for the answers and looking for the answers. for the response of, we don‘t know and a shrug of the shoulders. to finally have somewhere, some kind ofjustice is really nice. as well as very emotional. i'm sure, i'm absolutely sure. what answers do you feel this report gives you in terms of explaining why your newborn baby died from brain damage at 19 days old? somewhere, there is an answer, a reason why she was so ill. from the minute, from the day she died i knew there was something wrong. and that someone, somewhere had done something wrong so to finally be told yes, i was right from the beginning, me fighting the case, hasn‘t been a waste of time and we have got somewhere, finally. it‘s really reassuring. helen, how do you respond to this report today? i'm extremely upset and angry and i

think all the families should be. someone has got to be held responsible for this, it's good to hearjessica say she gets comfort and having some answers but what we need to be sure now is it's not going to happen again and there's beena going to happen again and there's been a series of reports as your reporter highlighted, going back to 2011, all highlighting different aspects that have led to the situation and i think it's time the health minister in the assembly took responsibility for this and i'm going to be calling for his resignation today because he is responsible for all the senior managers appointed with a love these failures to go on. this isn't a one off, it will be terrible if this was a one—off tragedy and we lost one child but this is a series of systematic failures. the way the health services set up in wales is directly accountable to the welsh government and the minister and he's got to take responsibility today, both for ensuring that as far as we possibly can this doesn't happen again, but also, crucially, ithink he's got to take personal responsibility for the fact the issues highlighted in the report

going back over the years haven't been addressed. has anyone lost the job for the deaths of these babies? not as far as i can see, i read the report, obviously and i read the ministerial response and there is nothing in there about holding individuals to account. what do you think about the fight everyone appears to be imposed? it worries me, who are these people that have a love these failures to happen, who failed to appoint midwives, failed to ensure consultants are on call, failed to give front line staff support? it's important to highlight the report makes clear there are some really good front line staff in the services, absolutely doing their best for people but they are doing it without proper management support, without consultant back up and the people who made these errors are still in post. ultimately, the person responsible for that is the health minister and he has to carry the can for this. jessica, do you think the health minister should resign, with that make a difference to you? it wouldn't make a difference to us as such, nothing will bring our baby back but it will

be reassuring that hopefully, this won‘t happen to other parents and babies. let me bring in alexandra. you had your baby four weeks ago in one of the hospital‘s subject in this report today. would you pack the resignation of the health minister? no, iwouldn't. i have read the report this morning and i am encouraged by the fact that obviously they have been put into special measures by the health ministerand special measures by the health minister and his good recommendations in place to hopefully improve the current situation for families across the area. you shout no one seems to have lost thejob? area. you shout no one seems to have lost the job? that's not for me to comment on. do you have a personal opinion? no. ijust want the situation improved for families. i don't think calling for resignations is helpful, i don't think people losing theirjobs as helpful, i want the current situation and recommendations to be put in place of services are improved for families. your baby was born four

weeks ago as i said and you say you saw staff in corridors, openly crying. yes. what do you say was happening? it was staff who were absolutely incredible, the staff and the care we had from them was impeccable, i cannot fault that, it wasjust they are impeccable, i cannot fault that, it was just they are operating under extreme pressures. obviously, the increase in patients heading to prince charles hospital following the closure of consultant led services at royal glamorgan, they told us they felt like they couldn't cope with the amount of patience and they couldn't provide the level of ca re they couldn't provide the level of care they wanted to do all the mothers and families who were there. in terms of the recommendations that have been suggested, do you think that will reassure parents, parents to be, about giving birth in these hospitals? i think it's a start, i don't think personally, it's enough. and i welcome further information

from the health minister today on the back of the report. but i do really support the level of, sort of, structure and support that the report issues that will be given to staff in hospitals so they will be equipped to deal with the current situation and i welcome increasing staff, midwives and consultants because that's what's desperately needed to alleviate pressure. jessica, i wanted to ask, if you we re jessica, i wanted to ask, if you were considering legal action against the hospital? yes, we have beenin against the hospital? yes, we have been in talks and we do have a representative at the moment. but our case is so wide and she went to other hospitals as well as the royal glamorgan. ours is a bit more complicated, we are waiting for a neonatal network review as well. there were a number of hospitals involved yes. it may be difficult to answer, me be too difficult to answer, me be too difficult to answer but are you able to tell our audience what in your view was the biggest failure of care

when it came to your newborn baby? there‘s a lot of things we noticed. i think the major one is that we wasn‘t listened to. and it felt like it didn‘t matter who you address your issue two, nobody really had time. i do agree it was overstretched and we see not ourselves on the board. but at the same time, our baby was critically ill and we had no answers then and we still have no answers now. stuff, just simple things, like my placenta should have been sent away for histology which might have brought us some answers, but it was thrown and when asked why, all we got was, we don‘t know why. and when asked why, all we got was, we don't know why. you mean they could have used the placenta to test it to perhaps give some indication as to why your little girl ended up with brain damage? yes. would it be usualfor with brain damage? yes. would it be usual for them to keep the placenta, do you think? yes, we had an

internal review done which they actually stated that it is what they would usually do, is a centre with the placenta when a baby is taken unexpectedly to the neonatal unit. 0k. and unexpectedly to the neonatal unit. ok. and we don‘t know why mine wasn‘t sent. ok. and we don‘t know why mine wasn't sent. and do ye how they view as to why it wasn‘t? wasn't sent. and do ye how they view as to why it wasn't? when i delivered the placenta i turned to macey ‘s father and i said, my placenta looks small and i could be wrong, but to me, i think, placenta looks small and i could be wrong, but to me, ithink, if placenta looks small and i could be wrong, but to me, i think, if i noticed it was small, what have those midwives and professionals noticed about it? have theyjust bend it to cover something up? after this, we literally don‘t know. jessica, thank you so much for talking to us. jessica, going to pursue legal action against the hospital where her little baby was born and died of brain damage 19 days later. alexandra and helen, thank you both for talking to us.

calling for the resignation of the labour health minister in wales. we have a statement, obviously we asked foran have a statement, obviously we asked for an interview, but they declined, calling the finding series and concerning this and said he wanted to apologise to the women and families affected, said he was determined that the actions announced today would improve maternity services in the area. that from the welsh health minister. next richard lubbock was a middle—class jewish coin dealer born in north west london when in 2003, at the age of 56, he separated from his wife, revealed to his family he was gay and swapped one type of dealing for another. he threw himself into the gay club scene and began dealing drugs, eventually on a huge scale. when the police eventually raided his east london flat, they found stacks of drugs in his freezer alongside his favourite ice—creams — and thousands of pounds

kept in tupperware. it was reportedly britain‘s biggest crystal meth raid, with police seizing drugs worth over 1.5 million pounds. richard son james has richard sonjames has written a book. we spoke to him. i was aware my dad was experimenting with drugs, he launched himself into the club scene, he was being open about that but then i started to notice more and more, the drugs in his flat. initially he was saying he was buying them because he got a better deal, being the businessman he was, he was just giving some spare stuff to friends. further down the line i confronted him.

and then further down the line i actually confronted him, and he admitted that he was then not only giving to friends of friends but actually taking money for it. and at that point, that was the big horrible shock to the system when i realised that my formerly principled, sensible dad was now a drug dealer. richard, how does a middle—class coin dealer, once based on london‘s regent street, go from that to selling ecstasy and crystal meth and cannabis? it was for what i was doing. what i wanted to do was to meet guys, and i'd been clubbing a lot, which i loved, but i couldn't meet guys because even if they came and danced right next to me, i felt stupid. i thought, what am i going to say to them? especially as i generally would have been older than most of the other guys, not all of them. and so i thought, what am i going to say to them? like, do you come here often? i really started to feel completely insecure about it. and then i said, you know what, when i go and buy drugsjust for myself, usually, i can't help but having respect for the dealers, simply because you rely on them

because you want the stuff, and you forget the fact that they're not doing very good stuff, and all that. and so i decided that i would... not particularly go into it in a big way, but a few friends of mine and a few... but the whole thing became... enlarged exponentially because it was... because i decided to do it under a strict business way, in other words, be fair. and i won't go into all the details, but instead... they actually got what they paid for rather than paying for half of it for an envelope or something, because it comes in an envelope. that you know how mad and absurd this is sounding. you‘re saying that you were a moral drug dealer, whereas other drug dealers were bad people, you were a good drug dealer? no. the principle was still wrong, i accept that. i suppose it's because i wanted

to meet so many people and expand my gay life that i thought, what can i do to absolutely make it... make myself popular in that sense. but it‘s a heck of a leap, to go from "i need to meet some gay friends" to "i‘m going to sell drugs for a living to meet them." i couldn't see any other way. you know, when you're that age, i mean, on the gay scene it's very hard. come on! you went on a gay dating app. there were other ways. yeah, but that's hopeless, gay dating apps... what do you think of this? i mean, is this a justification? no, not at all. i remember having that conversation with him, saying, "why are you doing it?

"you don‘t need the money. "this is ridiculous. "you must be the only drug dealer in london doing it that doesn‘t need the money." and he gave me that reason. and i said, "dad, there are so many less extreme ways of meeting men," you know? i tried to reason with him, i tried every single angle. but then you took crystal meth with him? well, yeah. i mean, at that point, you know, it was a pretty low moment. i‘d been through quite a lot. no excuse for it, but my mum was obviously terminally ill at that point, all my points of reference had gone with the way my dad was acting. i felt that didn‘t he have long left to live himself because the crystal meth was basically killing him, and his health was awful, and ijust felt, well, you know, he‘s offering it to me and let‘s see... you know, i was curious as well. maybe this is some very dysfunctional quality father time to spend. you‘ve got your own kids now. imean... my own kids, yeah. if your own children, as grown—ups, said to you, "dad, let‘s have some quality time together and do some crystal meth. absolutely... you‘d do it? you wouldn‘t do it?

absolutely not, it‘s a completely different world and life. but at that point it was a lot of extreme circumstances and we spent that time together, and i just felt you‘ve got to make the most of every opportunity, and i trusted myself that, you know, i was disciplined enough not to go down that route myself. and the book breaking dad is out now. if you‘ve been affected by addiction then you can find details of organisations who can offer you information or support by going to bbc.co.uk/actionline or by calling 0800 066 066. spot the difference between these two bags. one was made by a family business in west yorkshire — and costs £50. the other later popped up in aldi, on sale for under £20. now the designer and maker of the first bag is taking legal action against aldi, claiming the store has copied his design. aldi has stopped selling the bag — but nick robinson claims the "damage has already been done" to his business and its reputation. it‘s not the first time the shop has been accused of copying other people‘s products. just take a look at some of these quite distinctive items and their aldi counterparts. a sun cream, a shower gel, and a shampoo, all with more than a passing resemblance

to the originals. let‘s talk to nick who is the md of your company, what is it cold? ba ba bing. personal finance blogger for mrs mummypenny — lynnjames — she has written a blog called "the best aldi dupes ever". and solicitor — david bloom — who is from the intellectual property insurance firm, safeguard ip. so tell us about your product, nick robinson. you can see here, the sipper, for whites, even inside the bag, the handle this is really interesting, show that the camera four. inside this bag, we have you

got? a bottle holder. a bottle holder, victoria, it‘s a super size changing mat. i love that. it‘s a changing mat. i love that. it‘s a changing mat. i love that. it‘s a changing mat. compare it to the oldie bag. open it up. look. there isa oldie bag. open it up. look. there is a bottle holder. my goodness. there is a baby changing mat. ok. —— aldi. 0k. there is a baby changing mat. ok. —— aldi. ok. how do you react to the fa ct aldi. ok. how do you react to the fact that the aldi bag is similar to yours but is half the price? it's outrageous, isn‘t it? these companies have got to understand the amount of time and effort, resources , amount of time and effort, resources, that be put into these particular products, not to mention the containers we have to bring in. for a small family business like what we have, the costs are huge. how huge? you are talking tens of thousands about products like this, it‘s the manpower, the time and effort, the touch point detail we pride ourselves on when we design

these products. it‘s notjust the banks, the bouncers, the pushchairs, the finer details, when you get a company like aldi which take the product and rip it off, which they‘ve done, you know, that can be disastrous for us because it‘s then, taking, you know, potential, it will ta ke sales taking, you know, potential, it will take sales from us, where we can develop more products in the future and also look to employ people, further designers, to develop more ba ba bing related products. ten factory says we aim to provide customers with products at similar high quality two leading brands but ata high quality two leading brands but at a fraction of the price. we sell at a fraction of the price. we sell a wide range of products and we will consider mr robinson‘s views. we a lwa ys consider mr robinson‘s views. we always listen to feedback on products and will be pleased to meet with mr robinson to discuss his concerns, meanwhile they stopped selling their version of the back. they did stop selling it but they sold out. you know. the response i got from aldi was as simple as, we

are not going to do it again but as are not going to do it again but as a generous goodwill gesture, we. doing it, we won‘t relaunch the product again. what do you think of that? i think it's arrogance, to be honest, the damage has been done. let me bring in david from the intellectual property insurance firm. what copyright rules, if you we re firm. what copyright rules, if you were an artist, singer, music writer, there will be copyright rules, what rules protect nick that failed to protect him here? what aldi have allegedly done is ride roughshod over intellectual property rights, in terms of these bags, you'd be looking at design rights, unregistered design right in terms of protection, it's important for companies that are producing goods that they think about intellectual property rights and what they can acquire before they launch, if a problem like this occurs they have the rights to enforce against the infringers. that's no consolation to him. it‘s really not. let me bring

in lynn his written a piece cold the best three jeeps ever. you must have sympathy for nick robinson?” best three jeeps ever. you must have sympathy for nick robinson? i do, i'm a big supporter of small business, and a big —— small business, and a big —— small business myself, and i am a firm supporter of aldi and their takes on the big brand. but what youjust said is contradictory? not contradictory, what i'm saying is i think that what they do with their own product versus the big brands is a great idea, but when it comes to small brands, i absolutely don't think they should rip off ideas from small brands, the damage it can do. if you are producing a joe malone —type candle at a fraction of the price ... it's —type candle at a fraction of the price it's great for the consumer. nick, how far are price it's great for the consumer. nick, how farare you

prepared to take this with aldi? they‘ve said they‘re willing to meet you. what are they going to meet me about, discuss? let‘s have a chat about, discuss? let‘s have a chat about what i‘ve had this conversation and a letter from aldi before. how far are when you take it? all the way. they got to understand, it‘s not just it? all the way. they got to understand, it‘s notjust our business, i am dry to defend other small businesses that have had this done by aldi. it will affect them. thank you all of you, thanks for coming on the programme. we will follow your case. thanks for your time. we are back at 10am tomorrow. have a good day. good morning. quite a mixture of weather this morning. for some of us, misty and murky, for others quite cloudy with outbreaks of rain and for many of us, some sunshine. that‘s the scene at the moment in aberdeenshire, plenty of sunshine

right across the north—east of scotland, the club moving offshore. some mist and fog lingering across eastern areas, that is lifting, brighter spells developing. further west, we have outbreaks of patchy rain in western scotland, northern ireland, west wales, the south—west of england. generally warmer than yesterday, maximum temperatures reaching 14—18d. tonight this band of cloud and patchy rain moves its way very gradually eastwards. some clear spells in the far east, temperatures around norwich reaching 4 degrees, elsewhere, mild night, temperatures no lower than 7—9d. during wednesday, patchy rain moving gradually some brighter skies in the far east and far west. goodbye for now.

you‘re watching bbc newsroom live. it‘s 11am, and these are the main stories this morning... the worst treatment scandal in the history of the nhs — an inquiry begins into how thousands of patients were given contaminated blood. my my father‘s death has been recorded falsely in history as an accident and this was not an accident, so we hope the enquiry will actually get to the bottom of why this happened, who was responsible, what was known that we have not had that before, we have just completely ignored. suffering in silence — a new report says victims of anti—social behaviour are still being let down by the police and local councils. maternity services under scrutiny at a health board in wales following concerns over the death of a number of babies. death threats for wildlife broadcaster chris packham —