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you're watching beyond 100 days. the british defence secretary is accused of leaking out of the national security council and has just been sacked by theresa may. the prime minister said there was compelling evidence mr williamson was responsible and she has lost confidence in him. but gavin williams denies he was the league about the uk adopting five g technology from a chinese firm. 0n the defensive, the us attorney generalfacing tough the defensive, the us attorney general facing tough questions about his handling of the mueller report. developments during the investigation was not sufficient to establish that the president had
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committed an obstruction ofjustice defence. opposition protest take over the streets of caracas. the usa is its ready to take military action. he spent 400 days on the streets of ferguson, missouri, protesting the police shooting of michael brown. we will hear from him, one of the leading voices in black lives matter. i'm katty kay in washington, christian fraser is in london. gavin newlands has been sacked by theresa may over suspicions that he or members of his team leaked sensitive information from a national security council meeting. a massive enquiry was launched last week after a senior minister was believed to have my vote sensitive information about an impending deal the government was considering with chinese telecoms
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giant, huawei. any letter, the prime minister said of the investigation had found compelling evidence. no other credible version of events to explain the sleep has been identified, she wrote. gavin williamson spoke to the bbcjust yesterday. here's what he had to say about the leak. i never have looked anything from the national security council, not without ever look anything from the national security council. do you admit you're one of the people under suspicion? as i say, never would, never the people under suspicion? as i say, neverwould, never have. the people under suspicion? as i say, never would, never have. in the last hour, mr williamson has denied, issuing a statement saying that neither he or nor any of his team have looked any details from the national security meeting. the key, a ministerfound national security meeting. the key, a minister found to national security meeting. the key, a ministerfound to be looking national security meeting. the key, a minister found to be looking from the national security council. it doesn't get more serious than that?
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no, that's why the prime minister called him in, showed him some evidence and then sacked him.|j think she asked him to resign, he refused to do so. it's not as straightforward as that because gavin williamson and his friends are categorically denying this. they are pushing back extremely hard, you can't do that from the letter. they are casting aspersions on the enquiry that has been carried out by the most senior civil servant in the government. gavin williamson in his letter said, i government. gavin williamson in his lettersaid, lam government. gavin williamson in his letter said, i am confident that a thorough enquiry would have vindicated my position. some of gavin williamson's friends point to an acrimonious relationship between the two men. they say that gavin williamson has been stitched up. i'm told that mr williamson asked for more clear evidence of wrong and wasn't showing any. it seems that there are phone records of cabinet
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ministers who attend this national security committee meeting, they we re security committee meeting, they were asked to hand over their phones. there seem to be some record ofa phones. there seem to be some record of a call between a cabinet minister and the journalist in question. what that does not prove is what they talked about. mr williamson denying it was about this particular issue from this committee. as you heard, he at the time, completely denied this. yes, until we actually see at the evidence, it's a moment that back i suppose the surprising thing is the degree of sincerity which mr williamson is pushing back with this, strenuously denying he was involved. this is a real headache for the prime minister because if this ends up being a stand—off, it sounds very much as if mr williamson will not go quietly, then this will be an issue. it was suggested to me bya be an issue. it was suggested to me by a friend of mr williamson that this really was the prime minister
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ina very this really was the prime minister in a very weak in position, trying to show that she has some authority, particularly in the issue of national security and defence, one area where she, as a former home secretary, does some credibility. this is sounding increasingly acrimonious, is the latest in a long list of cabinet ministers that theresa may has lost, for various different reasons. she has tried to move quickly, she has brought in a penny mordaunt, the uk bus first female defence secretary and has promoted another loyal minister to replace her, to try and move on. downing street trying to suggest that the matter is closed, it does not sound like that to me. the civil servant overseeing this enquiry was pretty aggressive in the papers away about the way they were going about it. they had talked about a criminal
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enquiry, even bringing in the police. does that suggest that gavin wounds and could be prosecuted and end up in prison? they all signed the official secrets act so this is incredibly important, i think this is why this enquiry seemed to be taken more seriously than some others. 0ver taken more seriously than some others. over the months, taken more seriously than some others. 0verthe months, there taken more seriously than some others. over the months, there have been numerous leaks from cabinet meetings, almost the second is the finish. this was seen to be different. when this leak occurred, there were lots of conservative mps immediately getting extremely angry about it, saying that whoever was found to have done this should be sacked, and there was talk of getting the police involved. it is incredibly difficult to prove what a conversation was between two people, evenif conversation was between two people, even if it was the journalist in question. we will have to see where this goes from here but it sounds like gavin williamson is not going
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quietly. the national security council is a small circle of tourist and everybody is clear to receive sensitive information. this goes down to also the intelligence of our allies? yes, britain is part of what is called the five eyes network, intelligence agencies which share a little bit more intelligence with others than normal allies do. this is one of those places where that intelligence can be discussed. that is what you look from this particular committee is seen as serious, perhaps more serious than a normal cabinet meeting. that said, it was about a policy decision, not secret stuff, it was about a decision be made by that group of people at that particular time. there were ministers from that meeting who disagree fundamentally what theresa may was planning with huawei. which is why gavin
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williamson out of the finger pointed at him at a very early stage. he was very vocal in the past that he had serious concerns about get, allowing a chinese company and to such a large foothold in the five g network used in the uk. about minister saying, now, we have a golden era with the chinese, this is exactly this is exactly the kind of relationship we should have with a growing country with cheap technology. it is a continuing debate, no final decision was made at that committee. this is what was late, that it was split a bit. that the uk would have a relationship with huawei but it would not be complete, there would be checks and balances to make sure the chinese influence wasn't so great. that decision, or that process, influence wasn't so great. that decision, orthat process, leading towards a decision on whether to adopt huawei's technology, already
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causing rest between landing and washington. a top us official saying that it washington. a top us official saying thatitis washington. a top us official saying that it is not the leak that is important, it is the fact that the uk may decide to give a chinese technology. they just uk may decide to give a chinese technology. theyjust don't buy the argument that it's possible to look limited, one american official saying it was like handing beijing a loaded gun. they are taking it very seriously here, but for different reasons, . seriously here, but for different reasons,. the fear is, not so much that the chinese would get instant access to secrets in the uk. but potentially, they could get that access in the future and that would basically reduce the sense of trust that exists between the five eyes nations, which includes the us, australia, new zealand, canada. that is trust that has been built up over many years. it is very hard for countries to reach that point where they are prepared to share intelligence with one another. that
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said, this wasjust, it was not intelligence with one another. that said, this was just, it was not the inner sanctum said, this was just, it was not the innersanctum is, said, this was just, it was not the inner sanctum is, the core of course, of our intelligence agencies. that is why the national security advisor took such a strong line about this. that is why he has made absolutely clear that there was going to be no excuse if a youtube party was found. he has convinced the prime minister that the former defence secretary was the guilty party, but he is still denying it. by party, but he is still denying it. by all accounts, it was quite an aggressive enquiry. political advisers close to the minister were feeling pressure. mobile phones were being confiscated, and ministers we re being confiscated, and ministers were being called in one by one. apparently, gavin williamson resisted when he was called in for one of these conversations. clearly, they had something they wanted to
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put to him. judging by what the prime minister that has said, compelling evidence that pointed in his direction. gavin wounds and pushing back the very heart of this, it does not look like we have got to the bottom of this. just a reminder, there was an american official in there was an american official in the state departing reiterating what has been set, but if the uk uses huawei technology, they will have to reassess the ability to share information. there are huge national security implications here for the uk, in terms of the week and policy decision being made itself. if you wa nt decision being made itself. if you wantan decision being made itself. if you want an example of the deep political golf in washington between democrats and republicans regarding donald trump and robert mueller, you got it today. billboard testifying before the senate, democrats going home on what they call the misleading advertising scene of the miller report. the testimony came
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hours after the release of a letter that robert mueller has sent to the attorney general last month expressing his concerns about the way that the attorney general had characterised his report. the four page so many said that mister miller: it is that question of whether bill barr, president trump's nominee as attorney general, it misrepresented the findings of the two year—long russia investigation and therefore influence the early public perception of those findings that's been a huge point of contention here. it formed the backdrop to today's hearing, here is how mr barr responded. i asked him if he was suggesting the march 24 letter was inaccurate, and he said no but at the press reporting had been inaccurate. the press was reading too much into it. that was william
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bart. we are nowjoined by kim whaley,. what did you make of bill barr and what he said today in the testimony, in reference to whether mr miller was unhappy with billboard's characterisation of the miller report? william bart was like decision to release four page, bottom line, it would be a problem for him. what people took was, no obstruction, a black and white thumbs up orthumbs obstruction, a black and white thumbs up or thumbs down. what is in mr muller's letter to mr barr suggesting it is much more nuanced than that. in hindsight, mr barr would have been better off in the country, better off letting the miller report stand on its own legs. now we have barr on one hand, the other on the other, another kind of dispute. no one really wins in these situations, particularly the american people who want to know
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what to understand about this complex situation. the letter published today is important in the context of what mr barr told the committee. he was asked on that occasion whether he had heard that robert mueller was unhappy with the conclusions he was making. reports have recently emerged that members of the special council's team are frustrated at some level with the limited information, including your march 24 letter, that it does not adequately or accurately portray the report's findings. do you know what they are befitting with that? no, i don't. that really goes to the heart of what the democrats are pushing about. they think he has mischaracterised the report i'd misled congress. that was a puzzling
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exchange. the way it was framed, people within the miller team had issues with accuracy. he did this legal dance around it. ultimately, that question would have been answered. the political implication is massive. mr mueller know this, mr barr knew this, in hindsight, like when you have two parents making a decision in respect to a child, everyone goes a bit the parents are together on this. it's really unfortunate that we are now in a moment with the justice department split and the american public not understanding who they should understand. i would say people should read at least the summary of the mueller report, is not that long. make your own decision as to what actually happened. very good advice. they seem to be a moment when mr barr said, it depends on what you mean by team. there was
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another point where the attorney general said today, mr trump did nothing wrong in collusion. we now form the mueller report that mueller was not happy with, like the trump campaign was at least happy to investigate cooperation with the russians, and that trump did not tell the american public about his business dealings that were ongoing with the russians. so, what mr barr was saying today was not totally transparent to stop i do take legal issues with his use of the word collusion, it is not a legal term. mr mueller concluded there was no conspiracy or coordination but collusion could been something like an everyday conversation. a bad guy comes to you and says, i got doubt oi'i comes to you and says, i got doubt on your opponent. you could call the fbi, jump up and down and get excited, someone could say that is collusion, it doesn't rise to a crime. it is unfortunate that mr
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barr has collapsed the two things. the witnesses that did not cooperate with the obstruction investigation, had they cooperated, may be the collusion part of the report could have been slightly different. we just don't know. let's bring your firm an adviser to george w bush, ron christie. it seems like i have been a long time since i've been in your company. the band is back together. let's talk about some of the test to me that bill barr said today. it seemed that he was freighted through this that bob mueller had not come to a decision. that is one of the things that i have really kept my eye and ear oi'i that i have really kept my eye and earon here in that i have really kept my eye and ear on here in the united states watching the attorney general's test medical stop he asked bob mueller
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several times, as did bob rosenstein, to make a definitive decision one way or another on obstruction and that he punted on this. i think that the attorney general and the deputy attorney general and the deputy attorney general know that they follow that will happen and what we have seen on capitol hill today, a lot of confusion based on mueller's accents. bob miller going to want to come to congress himself and defend his own record ? come to congress himself and defend his own record? —— bob mueller. there is consensus that there were what had come to come to congress and wrap things up. what is the process about not making decision one way or another. deadly trap campaign orthe one way or another. deadly trap campaign or the presidential candidate himself conspire —— did the trump campaign or the presidential candidate himself conspire with the russians are to ta ke conspire with the russians are to take out hillary clinton. what we
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have heard is that he did not and neither did have heard is that he did not and neitherdid any have heard is that he did not and neither did any american. that was reiterated today. and that the russians being adult and trying to be involved in a future elections don't like what we have heard in terms of the public in terms of pulling it so interesting sent this report came out. we have been a bit there. 58% of the american public believe that president trump lied about the investigation but a similar number don't want him to be impeached because of it. two almost contradictory points of view. indeed they are. i think many americans have looked at the president's character, or some might say lack thereof, and don't find it to be very honest person. but i also do believe that most americans look at bob mueller has uncovered over the la st two bob mueller has uncovered over the last two years and he had seen in
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the summer confusion that there has been no collusion with the russian government and that campaign impeachment is very divisive and it was divisive in 1800 and with bill clinton in the late 19905 and americans do not want to go through that sort of roller—coaster thi5 close to an election if you want to ta ke close to an election if you want to take out donald trump, we have less than two years ago to an election. where they can do just that. great to see you again thank you for joining us. the political indications of this cannot be overstated. because there is a pedal on both sides by republicans and four democrats. —— there is pedal on both sides. republicans that there isa both sides. republicans that there is a duty on capitol hill to have these investigations, there is a tussle at the top of the democratic party between 90 policy and some of the chairman —— by nancy pelosi. 50% of the american public to believe that donald trump lied about this
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investigation. that is not good numbers of early president as he seeks re—election. no he can be much fighter tomorrow as he supposed to be in front of the line the democrats a chair that committee and they are likely to take a much tougher line. republicans giving him let's talk about venezuela the white house is says it is prepared to take military action to stem the crisis in venezuela. president trump has been consistent in that military action is what is required —— they to military action if it is what is required. president maduro said that the reports were part of an
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ongoing... a plain they are ready to ta ke ongoing... a plain they are ready to take him away and that those who had orchestrated the coup with the arrest. juan guaido is still free and cold again in caracas for a general strike. translation: what we have sacrificed will not have been in vain and it will not be in vain. it has been for our families and for the future and to achieve our goal which is to unite the country stop we have seen how we are still shaking things up and reclaim your space and how we are still out on the streets was they thought they had some that the protest, but they will not do it. we will stay in the street until we get freedom for all of venezuela. so we have the leader of venezuela. so we have the leader of the heritage foundation of latin america policy leader. this is playing out on to make levels and it is playing out on the streets in
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venezuela and in geopolitics, specifically in washington and america. where does that had no?m depends on what happens today. i think it is a positive sign that maduro has let guaido continue the demonstrations and it obviously demonstrates that maduro recognises that should any harm contend that this will definitely escalate. the situation for stop not just this will definitely escalate. the situation for stop notjust between the united states, this is mistaken perception that this is just in alienated states led effort, but there are 54 countries that lichen a nice juan guaido and the majority of latin america does as well. what what is your understanding of what has happened in the last 24 hours? there was understanding that there was a plein air ready to take him to cuba but the russians intervened and dissuaded him? what is your understanding of the geopolitics?
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dissuaded him? what is your understanding of the geopolitic57m sounds like a cold war thriller because you have a cold war government in charge of venezuela. maduro is a communist ideologue in that respect. he has allowed any russians to play an outsize role in venice with a's of theirs. i think there is, i'm not so sure that —— venezuela. i think the media there is, i'm not so sure that —— venezuela. ithink the media reckon his days are numbered and the he wanted to leave the country, but the russians said they helped us add bite out the issues in syria and we can help you as well. there are days gone between those close to maduro and the americans. the level of that is going to create some suspicion and division within a maduro ‘s camp, isn't it? i think it should. i should. i think maduro should recognise that he is not surrounded by loyalists and supporters. the
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venezuelan, the regime of nicolas maduro as if government of criminals and thugs and that is something that should be very apparent to the international community at this point. they are incredibly grant, deeply involved in drug cutting, do not care about human rights violations or the welfare of the venezuelan people. —— they are incredibly corrupt. i thinklj venezuelan people. —— they are incredibly corrupt. i think i think it reach... the opposition as an independent organism that has organically come to be and these guys are risking their lives. americans are not risking their lives in these efforts, it has the venezuelan opposition that is doing so. venezuelan opposition that is doing so. thank you very much indeed. this is beyond 100 days from the bbc. coming up... we'll have more reaction from westminster following the sacking of the defence secretary gavin williamson love and as a
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theresa may loses another member of her senior team we will ask where that leaves her fragile government. good evening. parts of central and eastern england saw some of the best sunshine and warmth today, that has allowed for some beautiful blue bell displays at the moment, a couple of weeks early. you can get out and enjoyed them in at the early sunshine on thursday. we will start to see some showers developing, they will become quite heavy and widespread, with rumbles of thunder into the afternoon. if you dodge the showers and keep in the sunshine, temperatures should peak at 16 degrees but colder in the north. there is a cold front pushing itself steadily south in the early hours of friday. behind it, it introduces much colder air and the winds will strengthen, a real difference in the feel of the weather by the middle of
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friday afternoon. 0nly around six or 7 degrees for some areas in scotland. ahead of that front, we should peak at 14—15d. that front is going to allow that cold flow to spill right across the country, pretty windy as well to start saturday morning. gardeners and growers , saturday morning. gardeners and growers, it might be worth bearing in9 growers, it might be worth bearing in 9 that temperatures could vault low offered a touch of frost first thing on saturday, so a cold start to the weekend with some night—time frost. but, not all doom and gloom, a good deal of dry weather in the forecast this weekend. for starters, on saturday, the winds are a feature, driving in some showers, critically on those east coasts, it will feel quite chilly out there. the sheltered west will see the best of the brightness, temperatures peaking at 13 degrees. those temperatures generally weigh down on where they should be for this time of year. high pressure will build
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into sunday, killing off some of those showers. with the isobars opening up, they winds will feel lighter. as a consequence, maybe sunday will feel a degree or so warmer. we should also see a good deal of dry weather, if you showers around, temperatures should peak see around, temperatures should peak see a good deal of dry weather, if you showers around, temperatures should peak at around 13 degrees, still below where we should also see a good deal of dry weather, if you showers around, temperatures s should peak at around 13 degrees, still below where we those lighter winds, may be more sunshine around, temperatures should peak at 14 degrees. so it will be a cold bank holiday weekend in comparison to easter. a good deal of dry weather to come. bank holiday monday, that dry theme continues, we keep those lighter winds, maybe more sunshine around, temperatures should peak at 14 degrees. so it will be a cold bank holiday weekend in comparison to easter. a good deal of dry weather to come. ?
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days, i'm katty kay in washington, christian fraser is in london. this is beyond 100 days, i'm katty kay in washington, christian fraser is in london. theresa may of the mueller report. coming up in the next half hour, julian assange has beenjailed for 50 weeks by a london court. we'll hear from his lawyer about what is next for the co—founder of wikileaks. 0ur what is next for the co—founder of wikilea ks. 0ur roundabout, what is next for the co—founder of wikileaks. 0ur roundabout, random animal story, keeping an eye on traffic from above.
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in the uk's defence secretary, gavin williamson, has been sacked following an enquiry from the national security council. downing street has said that the prime minister that had lost confidence in his ability to serve in her cabinet. mr williamson has contented then i looking information about the role of huawei in the uk bus five g mobile network. in a letter, he said emphatically that the elites did not originate from his department and explained why he chose not to accept the offer to resign. he has been replaced in his role by penny mordaunt to become the uk bus first female defence secretary. let's cross to speak to tom watson, deputy labour leader. this was a parliamentary enquiry, do you think it should become a criminal enquiry?
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and what is the most brutal sacking letter that i've known in my parliamentary career said that there was compelling evidence that he leaked from the national security council, that is a breach of the official circus act, a criminal offe nce. official circus act, a criminal offence. he denies it and is entitled to prove himself innocent. there are logical conclusions of the prime minister, allegations that there must be a criminal enquiry.“ there must be a criminal enquiry.“ there was a criminal enquiry, that brings implications that he could end up in court and could be for it? very high profile civil servants for breaching the official secrets act in the past. i don't think the law, ido in the past. i don't think the law, i do think the law should be applied equally. if the act has been breached, there should be a criminal enquiry and justice should run its course. i should say, he is the diners and he deserves to have his voice heard in this debate as well.
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—— he is denying it. the prime minister has alleged criminal wrongdoing, it has not said in the letter, but it is alleged if you breach the official secrets act. therefore, there must be a criminal enquiry and people might expect that to be the next part of this procedure. mr watson, you know what is like for politicians when they are fired in this manner. it is very unusualfor are fired in this manner. it is very unusual for them to push are fired in this manner. it is very unusualfor them to push back are fired in this manner. it is very unusual for them to push back to the degree that gavin williamson is pushing back this evening. what do you make of his denials? the prime minister has said that he has leaked official secrets, he denies it. i don't know the facts of this case, i've not seen the evidence that the prime minister has seen. what i do note that her allegation is so serious, a breach of criminal law, that there should be an enquiry to get to the fact. that is how gavin williamson can prove his innocence. cani
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williamson can prove his innocence. can i ask you about the issue underlying this leak, which is the government's plans to get huawei, the chinese telecoms company, to be pa rt the chinese telecoms company, to be part of the process of building britain's 5g network. his house, because a huge amount of concern in the us, with official saying that it could compromise information sailing between london and washington. could compromise information sailing between london and washingtonlj have between london and washington.” have to say, i'm not party to the intelligence that has led to the uk to draw that conclusion and for the uk government to draw a different conclusion. what i would say is, if oui’ conclusion. what i would say is, if our foreign policy desires with one of the biggest economic players have changed, that i think the house of commons should be told it. it was only a few years ago that we heralded a new air of relations with oui’ heralded a new air of relations with our chinese commercial partners. if government policy is changing that, thenl government policy is changing that, then i think i should be outlined.
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0n the actual allegations of the company of huawei, i've not seen the intelligence that has led the united states to be so concerned about it. tom watson, thank you forjoining us. i'vejust read one tom watson, thank you forjoining us. i've just read one tweet that somebody who has spoken to gavin lonesome tonight, he is saying that he thinks this is a settling of scores between him and mark sedwill, who is leading the enquiry. he does have his enemies. yes, i think it's interesting that gavin winsome is strenuously denying that he is behind this leak, or any of his staff. you can see that from the fa ct staff. you can see that from the fact that he did not resign, she was given the opportunity but he said he didn't want to do that because it would imply he was accepting guilt and that was why he had to be sacked. i think there is not a bit of pressure, what evidence does numberten of pressure, what evidence does number ten have against gavin williams? will number ten have against gavin will be unveiled at that show why they have come to this decision?
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there are suggestions this is a rift between number ten there are suggestions this is a rift between numberten and there are suggestions this is a rift between number ten and gavin williamson, rather than anything he has been proven to be done. if that isa criminalenquiry, has been proven to be done. if that is a criminal enquiry, they had to think long and hard what they put into the public sphere. we have seen in the us, this culture of the king, the white house has had a problem with it, we know this cabinet has had a problem with it. we know that whether its teams, stems from that, cabinet ministers coming out of briefings, but i think friends. someone has gone one step further, doing it in a national security council, which you can't do.” doing it in a national security council, which you can't do. i think we have all of this had the chief whip saying that this is the most ill disciplined cabinet in history. when you look at this leak and where
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it came from, the actual substance of this leak isn't a specific document, but it is the fact it came from the security council is what has crossed the line here. we are still trying to work out how it came out. some people are saying is not even clear if it is one person, it could be a journalist putting pieces of the puzzle together and coming up with what i saw it on there. i think mark sedwill will come under a lot of scrutiny now, right now, we don't know how theyjoined up the dots and gavin williamson is not making their life easier by saying they got it wrong. either gavin williamson is line, all he is not. if he is not lying, what are the relegations of this? given that the prime minister has already replaced them, and replace the person who replaced him, what are the ramifications for her? if it becomes clear he hasn't
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actually done this, or buts of doubt, it makes life very difficult for theresa may. ultimately, leading up for theresa may. ultimately, leading up to this investigation, there was the idea that, does theresa may have the idea that, does theresa may have the capital to fire a minister? lots of people thought she did not have the political capital. she has decided to go for a minister, but not only eddie minister, her former chief whip, someone who knows all the details about theresa may's premiership. he could also be dangers on the backbenches, he will be free from low t. unless theresa may can lay out very clearly that edit isa may can lay out very clearly that edit is a black and white issue that gavin williamson has done this, so far, she has not done this. we did bring katie into talk about brexit but we haven't touched about it. i asked her, what did you think about when this drop in your inbox? she said, too much, too much. the fact that the prime minister has already
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beenin that the prime minister has already been in her committee meeting, it being grilled about brexit. hard to say where she is going to go about these talks with labour. i don't think we will get much information about that until next week, until local elections get under way. gavin winsome making this an issue of black and white, there aren't very many shades of grey in his denial. it is usually series for him because it is not just it is usually series for him because it is notjust about his position as defence secretary. it's about his whole political career, he could end up whole political career, he could end up in court over this. for the second day, juan guaido has stood in the centre of caracas and addressed his supporters, he urged them to come out on the streets and stay out. initial video come out on the streets and stay out. initialvideo of come out on the streets and stay out. initial video of protest in venezuela suggest that they are smaller than yesterday, for the moment,. nicolas maduro sounded
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defiant today, saying that his government had put down a cup attempt. i spoke with a journalist based in caracas before coming on air. we saw violent protests in caracas yesterday, what is the situation today? people have already started gathering. there is a lot of confusion after what happened yesterday. i received reports that he is heading over to one of the different competition points in caracas but we are still waiting to hear what his instructions will be for the rest of the day. in terms of what you have seen and heard, doesn't look like the protest today are similar in size to the ones yesterday? for the moment, the protests are definitely smaller. but there was very little information to go on. is failing media is censored, it's very difficult to communicate news, or to get coals to protest
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through social media. even that has been repeatedly blocked over the past been repeatedly blocked over the pa st 48 been repeatedly blocked over the past 48 hours. maybe throughout the coming hours, as more people feel strength in numbers, they will gather some more. yesterday, in caracas at least, i did get confirmation that there were protests in more than 20 states all across the country. specifically in caracas, the numbers were in the tens of thousands. what is the mood among the opposition today in venezuela? we among the opposition today in venezuela ? we had among the opposition today in venezuela? we had nicolas maduro saying that the coup has been put down. they were confusing reporting this should have led to another overflow to the maduro regime is the mood among the opposition today? you know it on the head with the word confusing. people are very confused. there were some very confusing
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moments for the opposition. specifically, the when the national guardsmen protected the demonstrators yesterday. i saw some of them lobbing back a tear gas canisters that were being thrown out and bite military personnel loyal to madero's regime. that is unprecedented because the national guard is usually at the branch of the armed forces tasked with brutally repressing every protest called on by the opposition. the second takeaway, politically speaking, we saw yesterday the highest ranking defection as of yet, by way of emmanuel figueira, who until yesterday was the director of the police. there is a lot of confusion and chaos. yesterday, when these moderate national guardsmen joined leopoldo lopez and juan guaido and allowed a big march of thousands of reporters, the atmosphere was of cheers and joys.
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people were sending them blessings and throwing rosary beads at them. this morning, it's been radio silence from both the government and opposition camps. do people feel that this is time critical now? and that this is time critical now? and that if the opposition is going to get rid of nicolas maduro, they have to do it soon? i think that is the general sense. depending on what version of the events you believed yesterday, that is reason... specifically for military personnel that effected to be scared for their life. i think that people's resolve has been strengthened, but at the same time, there is a lot of fear. those energies were the pictures from venezuela today. of course, guaido calling for people to come out onto the streets. these are not like pictures from caracas, it does still look like there are people
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coming out for those two test. hard to know just from coming out for those two test. hard to knowjust from a few images because there is so much censored information coming out from venezuelan. very hard to know whether these match the ones from yesterday. what they are like outside of caracas as well. interesting, leopoldo lopez, the opposition without a film with him yesterday who had been under house arrest, we are told is in the spanish embassy in caracas, being guarded with his wife and child. he has not yet applied for asylum though, interesting to see what happens to him. julian assange has been jailed happens to him. julian assange has beenjailed for 50 happens to him. julian assange has been jailed for 50 weeks by a london court for breaching bail conditions. the wikileaks court for breaching bail conditions. the wikilea ks founder spent court for breaching bail conditions. the wikileaks founder spent seven yea rs the wikileaks founder spent seven years hiding in ecuador‘s uk embassy while he was wanted over sexual offence allegations in sweden. last month, the book of its founder was dramatically removed from the
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embassy where he sought political asylum. met police officers moved in after the ecuadorian government withdrew his status as an asylum seeker. they speak to his lawyer 110w. like that is correct. we are disappointed with the sentence. it was at the high end of what is available to the judge and. harsh. make a lick has published and encourage them to read. to consider whether themselves —— wikileaks. concerns that proved to be correct concerned that there is no he can expiration protest. and come to their own conclusions. a lot of best taxpayers will point to the amount of money spent trying to get him out of money spent trying to get him out of the ecuadorian embassy and the police had to stand guard £10 million spent trying to get mr
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assange to court after he breached his bail conditions. serious concerns his bail conditions. serious concerns have been raised about the proportionality over putting that amount of police resource. for many years there were police 20 47 outside the embassy. someone who was facing allegations that he was at the time, what was this all about? we have always been concerned that this case, and have said that this case is and has always been about extradition edge of the threat of us expression and that is exactly what happened when he was taken out of the embassy. the the swedish authorities are looking to reopen the allegations in the case. of course he has always cooperated with the swedish and that case was closed in 2017 after he was
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questioned inside the embassy. we have now idea that they are going to do so and no grand citizen. they could have charted before. his reasoning for going inside the embassy was not to hide from those allegations. greatly he litigated in sweden and it is not a case of him heading from these allegations, it is all about and has been about the risk of us extradition and his concerns about what would happen to him if returned to the us to face prosecution for his publishing activities with wikileaks. the us has put forward a professional extradition request. do you believe the british government would protect mr assange from extradition? we would first have to defend the extradition request in the british courts, but there is a discussion with the tisch justice system. we have already had a jeremy corbyn thing that he should not be
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extradited stop this these relate to publications in 2010. that were allegedly provided by chelsea manning. chelsea manning is now in prison. they sing contempt proceedings by refusing to give further given against wikileaks and indefinitely. these publications we re of indefinitely. these publications were of massive public importance one journals or worth the bother. and with international sets the arab spring. these are of significance appurtenance. and that is what the us are seeking to extradite and prosecute him over. we are very concerned about the precedent that set and will be raising the free—speech event at the court in this country. any collusion of a hacking in a given computer. there are not talking about the publication of the information. they have been very clear about whether expression request is about. an edge to clarify, if you look pale the headline of the department of justice press release, if you
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actually look at the factual allegations in the indictment and the provisional request, what it boils down to is an allegation that he had communications with chelsea manning about accessing material, about how to access that material, about how to access that material, about whether she would be to access more material and about the possibility of trying to protect her identity in the course of accessing that material does these are actions that material does these are actions that journals undertake all the time under investigation and that is why we have seen generals coming out in support of wikileaks free—speech groups speaking out against this indictment. it is absolutely not the case that there is any allegation that he had to compute —— that he had to computer or attempted to hack a computer. ok. thank you very much for joining a computer. ok. thank you very much forjoining us. five years ago this man commit his job forjoining us. five years ago this man commit hisjob as forjoining us. five years ago this man commit his job as a teacher and
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spent 400 days on the streets as an activist he is now one of the leaders of the black lives matter movement. he hasjust had his first look —— he hasjust had his first book published. and we're looking at how far black lives has come.“ book published. and we're looking at how far black lives has come. it was a long few months of having to work because police would arrest you. the outcomes and placing have not changed. the place actually killed more people in 2018 and 20 and more people in 2017 and 2018 than in 2014. if you think the words it is getting worse. it is interesting, i think that... does during the election did not take him seriously.
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he isa election did not take him seriously. he is a wild, of course he will lose. then he won and there were a lot of people to have said the work has to happen at the local level. we can see that that is not true. the present matters a whole not. in terms of the fighting of the fab lab. there's not much happening because there demonstration is not going to do much of stop —— fighting at the federal level. more people are incarcerated at the local and the state level rather than the federal level. so you can still do a lot at the local level. we can actually still get a lot of changes there. we think the federal government can do is withhold money which forces police to do stuff. and thatis which forces police to do stuff. and that is not going to happen. when president 0bama left office he encourage people to get involved, do you sense when we come to 2020 that thatis you sense when we come to 2020 that that is happening, more black people are getting involved ? that is happening, more black people are getting involved? when you think about all the people who are now in congress who are millenials, which
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is really powerful. you also peeped the people... i knowa is really powerful. you also peeped the people... i know a tonne of people who run for council... i ran before trumper. there are a lot of people started running after councils up and that is really exciting. not only been the people who are fighting those people in power, but we are those people now. this idea that we have to be as organised in the inside as on the outside. but like you were here to meet with people from black lives matter uk. what did you see from people here in london? all over the world people had struggles with the police. an device in brixton. people don't feel safe in proximity to the police. and also understanding that theseissues police. and also understanding that these issues manifest in other places north of the last time i was here there was a conversation about border police. that is something that we don't really don't like the border that trump talks about is the mexican border. we don't really have
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borders between the states that our police. but in europe you have the border police, which is a very different force. so having questions about her that shows up, it is different across the road. i have learned a lot. government here... there are still gun deaths. knives isa there are still gun deaths. knives is a big issue. was knife crime one of the big talking points at brixton? it was one of the things that came up. they think about the police and safety. there are always linked to people. we remain people that the safest neighbourhoods are not the only birds but they are always linked to people. we remain people that the safest neighbourhoods are not new neighbourhoods are not new neighbourhoods with the most police, or the most resources. if you want to decrease crime, you decrease the thing that they to crime. that make you decrease the thing that i read that you have won a million followers on twitter. beyonce only follows if you people and she
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follows if you people and she follows you. she does. you have a very public profile, how do you use that? so how do we tell the truth. the more that i can use my platform to normalise these conversations. the second is how do i amplify the voices of other people. i have a big platform and there are ten follows her say something and i can amplify it. and the third is how can i connect? i am in a lot of runs with a lot of people and i say that the bad people only each other and most of the bad people in all the countries and know each other and are all hanging out whether they hate each other not. so had do we connect the good people so that the good people know each other as well? lam good people know each other as well? i am proud to do that. it is interesting talks about the election being an issue selection. you look at biden up at the front there are the democratic list at the moment and he has the majority of the blackfoot and he is talking not about —— the black vote. and black
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voters are going for biden. in particular female black voters. that there is a movement in the uk. because i don't think that people have heard that here. for those of you who are not familiar with london's roads, the blackwall tunnel is likely one to be avoided. in traffic jams, trust me. is likely one to be avoided. in trafficjams, trust me. and lots of fed up drivers at the best of times. not so much the case for a certain pairof not so much the case for a certain pair of singles. this comedy duo, nicknamed graham and steve have been perched directly in front of the camera on the approach to the tunnel for the past day. they are seemingly donated with surely a case of photo bombing at its finest. a bird's eye view. don't do it don't do it. i miss there telling the drivers below
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to be careful careful. no bad! see you back here tomorrow. parts of central and eastern england so some of the best sunshine and warm today. that has allowed for some beautiful bluebell displays this moment. a couple of weeks earlier than they should be. if you can get out and enjoy them in the early sunshine on thursday, we will start to see some showers though developing and they will become quite heavy and widespread with some rumbles of thunder into the afternoon. if you dodge the showers and keep the showers —— temperatures should pick at 40 degrees will stop there is a comfort that is going to push its way steadily south through the early hours of friday and behind it it introduces a much colder air and the winds will strengthen. a real difference in the feel of the weather by the middle of friday afternoon. 0n the event a six or 7 degrees for some areas of scotland,
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head of that front we should peak at 14 or 15 but the from above of interlinear content at the start of the bankjamaican. that will allow —— the bank holiday weekend. for gardeners and growers, it may be worth bearing in mind that temperatures could follow a touch of frost first thing on saturday because of a cul—de—sac to the weekend with some night—time frost, but that's like a cold start to the weekend. a good deal of dry weather any forecast this weekend. 0n saturday to wind is set in it is going to dry in some showers, particularly on the east coast. inland is going to make it feel quite chilly at there. sheltered west we will see the best of the brightness. temps peaking at 30 degrees. the temperatures way down from how they should be lesser. high pressure will build as we move into sunday. that is going to kill off some of the showers. as the isobars
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open up, the wind will be a little bit lighter as well. as a consequence, so they may feel a degree or so were my. a good deal of dry where 0lympia showers. temperature should peak at about 30 degrees. still below where we should be. back ultimately, we keep that writing going on. which it those lighter whence. maybe a little more sunshine around. temptress should peak at 14 celsius. so it is going to bea peak at 14 celsius. so it is going to be a cold bank holiday weekend in comparison to easter, —— temperatures should peak at 14 celsius.
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this is bbc news, i'm rachel schofield. the headlines at 8pm. theresa may has sacked kevin williamson as defence secretary, blaming him for leaking information from the national security council meeting. he will be replaced by penny martin. in a letter to the prime minister, williamson strenuously denies he was the source of the leak about the uk adopting 5g technology from chinese firm huawei will stop words that he echoed when speaking to the bbc yesterday about the leak. i never have leaked anything from the national security council, nor would i ever leak anything from the national security council. that's not how theresa may sees it, she says there is compelling evidence against kevin
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