hello, it's thursday, it's10am, i'm victoria derbyshire. fly less, drive an electric car, eat less red meat and turn down your heating — a new report out today says these are the things we need to do to get carbon emissions down to virtually zero by 2050. by by sending a net zero target in the uk we are sending an incredibly strong signal to other countries that they need to do the same thing. he is from the independent committee on climate change and he says it is the government and big industries who will have to make the most significant changes. the former defence secretary, gavin williamson, sacked

by the prime minister after allegedly leaking information from a national security council meeting, says he didn't do it and he's the victim of a vendetta. the prime minister has made her decision, i sat on the national security council for many years, it is very important everybody has confidence in it so of course the prime minister made the —— made her own decision. do you think she made the right decision? i think it is up to the prime minister. two women who took part in the london marathon last weekend have exclusively told this programme they were called fat and slow and sprayed with chemicals by contractors cleaning up around them. don't know if you can see, there is a sweeper behind me, i am under a i7—minute pace, and he is spraying detergent all over me. this is how our london marathon treat our pacers. we'll talk to pacer liz ayres and also one of her fellow runners who says she suffered a chemical burn. and we'll speak to line of duty star

vicky mcclure about why she's made a documentary about dementia, about line of duty and about the bodyguard. you can't dispute that the bodyguard was a huge success and we have the same crew, the same writers, the same production, so they are all friends of ours, so we are really proud of them. but look, i'm in line of duty, so that's my main priority and we were there first so... hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. are you willing to radically change the way you live your life to have cleaner air and less pollution? would you consider switching to an electric car or eating less meat or getting solar panels on your roof? have you already done that? we will talk about that this morning. first, annita mcveigh has the news.

gavin williamson sacked as defence minister last night has strongly denied leaking information from a top—level government meeting claiming he is the victim of a kangaroo court. in the next hour, the government will face questions in the commons on the matter. gavin williamson was blamed for revealing confidential information to the daily telegraph about huawei. opposition parties are calling for a police investigation. it is a prime minister alleging the defence secretary has breached the official secrets act, he deserves the right to clear his name if he is innocent, i think there needs to be an inquiry. a report commissioned by the government says the uk should become a world leader in tackling climate change by being carbon neutral by 2050. the committee on climate change says tougher targets could mean people taking fewer flights, eating less red meat, driving electric cars and setting the heat in 19 degrees. it has been

claimed... when women received chemical burns from the clean—up operation before reaching the finishing line. marathon organisers said they were very sorry to hear complaints and are investigating. fiona onasa nya, complaints and are investigating. fiona onasanya, an mp, has become the first member of parliament to lose her seat following a public petition. almost 20,000 people signed the document demanded she be removed. she was jailed injanuary for lying about a speeding offence. she had been representing the city as independent mp. there will be a by—election. a teenage boy has been stabbed to death in east london. the boy was found with fatal injuries in hackney last night. police have put

a section order in place allowing officers to stop and search anyone on the street. a star of line of duty whose great grandmother that the manager says she wants the government to put more money into finding a cure. in a programme going out this evening, she forms a choir, it is the music can lessen the symptoms of aggression and agitation. the government need to ta ke agitation. the government need to take it seriously. it is like a cancer. it is getting to the point where people are getting diagnosed younger, we need more research, funding, people taking it into the extreme of cancer research. it is not there yet. new photographs of princess charlotte have been released to mark her fourth birthday. the pictures we re her fourth birthday. the pictures were taken by her mother, the duchess of cambridge, and that is

the latest news. back to you, victoria. more from vicky mcclure in the second half of the programme. turn down your central heating to 19 degrees, eat less red meat, ditch your car for an electric one, and fly less. those are some of things we will all have to do if we want to tackle climate change and get greenhouse gases down to virtually zero by 2050. if we do it, we can help save the planet and have cleaner air. that's according to an independent report today. here are the details. the committee on climate change, which advises that government, says the uk should lead the global fight against climate change by cutting greenhouse gases to nearly zero by 2050. and this is how they suggest we do it. our cars will need to be electric and the sale of petrol cars should be banned from 2030 — ten years earlier than the government date of 2040. we will have to fly less.

at home, we will be asked to turn down the central heating to 19 celsius and insulate our houses properly. and we will have to convert our natural gas boilers to hydrogen boilers. the report says we all need to eat less meat and dairy. we will have to get much better at sorting out our waste at home to make sure no biodegradable material, like leftover foods, end up in landfill. but the main emphasis is on big business making significant changes. like decarbonising industry and using carbon capture technology, where co2 is captured and isolated, rather than being released into the atmosphere. the committee says farmers have largely escaped attention on climate change, but not any more because agriculture is a major producer of greenhouse gases. farmers will need to turn more of their land over to woodland and feed their cattle special diets to reduce the amount of methane that they burp into the atmosphere. to discuss this we can now speak

to rain newton—smith, chief economist at the confederation of british industry, and to farhana yamin, from extinction rebellion who have recently been protesting the slow pace of change when it comes to emmissions. welcome to both of you. starting to you, rain. is business willing to spend the money to go for net zero emissions by 2050? i think one of the important thing is this report sets out is that this is not going to cost us a lot of money. in fact, it isa to cost us a lot of money. in fact, it is a huge opportunity. but it only happens if we act now. if the government accepts this target and says, clearly committing to a net zero target by 2050, and then we put the policies we need in place behind that, businesses will absolutely rise to the challenge. they already have. last year over 50% of our

electricity generation came from low carbon or nuclear sources. that is because business has stepped up to the plate. we have seen a huge development in the solar energy sector and offshore wind so business absolutely wants to innovate and meet the challenge. we all have to act. we know this is an emergency and we are all willing to play our part. let me ask you, from extinction rebellion, farha na part. let me ask you, from extinction rebellion, farhana yamin, we have heard the word emergency there is times from various politicians, this report today says we need to do this by 2050, does it sound like an emergency? it is a bit too far away, it is very welcome, and it is a little bit late. the paris agreement in 2015 asked governments to look at trying to move toi.5 and governments to look at trying to move to 1.5 and that was four years ago. we already in emergency mode. the house of parliament yesterday passed a motion recognising that. that is commendable. but the 2050

date which i myself campaigned for, by the way, very intensively in the run—up to paris and the small islands champion, who i acted for, it is not enough. what date should it is not enough. what date should it be? much nearer 2030, 2025, something around that range because we have to... let me explain it not by the numbers, the climate change committee report is saying essentially the carbon cake left is three tiers and what we're saying is it is not, you have not got the top two left, and when you go to a wedding, you are looking at the three tiers thinking, i will get quite a big slice, actually, if it is one tm aqua left, you will not get a big slice, that is the basic difference — — get a big slice, that is the basic difference —— it is one tear left. it is assuming the carbon budget is much bigger than it is and it isn't. do you think some of your members will face economic difficulties,

rain, asa will face economic difficulties, rain, as a result of these targets, particularly if the government take some of the recommendations on board? it is about how we act now. if the government put in a clear framework, they have already made some. . . framework, they have already made some... they have said all new—build homes need to be sourced from renewable energy by 2025. but we need to think about our existing homes. they are draughty, they are not fit for a low carbon or zero carbon world. we need to think about how we help consumers shift but also how we help consumers shift but also how businesses provide some of those technologies and if you have... what the report is really saying, if you have the clear policy framework, you can actually do this without costing industry anything. are you serious? are you realistically saying that is plausible? the report today says firms that whisk will need help from the treasury. yeah, what you will

need to have... you need to have the government setting the right carbon price, you need to support some industries and also some households. if you put in a new boiler, it is expensive. we do need to look at how we support particularly low—income households to make the transition. but i think it is also a big opportunity. what is clear is that we would be the first major advanced economy to set a net zero carbon target. therefore we can be one of the countries that really helps to generate the new technologies because everyone around the world is going to need these low carbon technologies. the uk can be at the forefront. people watching now and listening to you and perhaps many who supported your protests in recent weeks, some people perhaps did not like the tactics but may be thought the message was good to be banging home and achieving the meeting with the environment secretary, what radical changes will

they need to make and is it all about sacrifice, what are the benefits? there are huge benefits. what people need to understand is taking climate action is going to help generate a huge number, half a million, clean new jobs help generate a huge number, half a million, clean newjobs here, not jobs that go to china or elsewhere, they will be jobs here and partly in response to rain, why not have an emergency and efficiency act? why are we leaving it to the consumers and existing market mechanisms which have not worked at the speed and scale we would like? why not have the government site, we are going to show leadership, . .. the the government site, we are going to show leadership,... the political system we have in this country is short term, elections every five yea rs, short term, elections every five years, so what is the incentive when you are thinking about your political survival to plan something for 25 years, 30 years? 23 million

homes need rapid energy efficiency improvements. insulation? insulation and everything else. they could be deep retrofitted, solar panels at the same time. who would pay for that? we can make that and what is what the government needs to devote resources and when you are in an emergency mode, which we are now, fund it. if you look at what is happening, the treasury is not giving money to these sorts of things, it is rapidly taking them away. it is giving money to roads, telling defra, do not ask for more money in the comprehensive spending review, for example. ithink money in the comprehensive spending review, for example. i think the emergency motion yesterday and michael gove plus might very welcome recognition in parliament that he accepts we are in an emergency, it requires some kind of action —— michael gove's very welcome recognition. what we have done is faffing around, trying to think the

carbon price will send a signal, it will be enough, individual consumers will be enough, individual consumers will act accordingly... it does not work in an emergency scale and that is what we have learned from the la st two is what we have learned from the last two decades of climate policy. you need regulation and leadership by government and do not leave it to me and you to try to find the energy efficiency provider, a lot of people live in rented accommodation. for them it the incentives are not there. we think it will generate clean air, it will make us healthier, it will reduce respiratory diseases and asthma, all of these things are linked. climate action is not a burden, it is a cake, frankly, in terms of the budget, but climate action itself can solve many different problems. messages, the government stating the obvious once again about what we need to do, this report is not from the government, actually, it is from an independent group, the committee on climate change advising the government. whilst we can do all the

things, they stated, it is the big companies that can make the biggest impact. want people to stop using... sorry, just going to finish these messages. want people to stop using plastic carrier bags, stop making them. what are china, us doing? this text points out, the gap between the rhetoric and the action, you might hear politicians saying, yes, we need to go for this, then they are also the ones voting for expanding heathrow. thank you, both. what i really wa nt heathrow. thank you, both. what i really want to know is what you are doing if anything to try to help cut greenhouse emissions in this country. lots of information about the changes we all need to make a p pa re ntly the changes we all need to make apparently to make our lives... to make our lives help reduce the impact of climate change. on the bbc news website.

government figures show between 2—3% of the uk population identify as being lgbt. yet leading charities estimate lgbt people account for upto 25% of the homeless community and trans people face the highest amount of discrimination on the street according to campaigners, in fact, demand for trans homelessness services has more than doubled in the last four years. tomorrow the mayor of london will officially cut the ribbon on the uk's first lgbt homeless shelter. it's been open for a couple of weeks now and our reporter michael cowan has had exclusive access to the outside project. this will be the uk possible first permanent lg bt homeless this will be the uk possible first permanent lgbt homeless shelter after a successful trial last year. it has been given permanent funded by the mayor of london. today is move in day on shelter but before the vans arrive, the founder is going to show us around in this disused fire station. hello. nice to

meet you. this is the new space. this is the outside project. carla is the founder of the project and the shelter is her brainchild. let me show you around. bedroom one. crash pads. they will pop at. like a winter shelter, you have to unpack your stuff, and then pack everything up your stuff, and then pack everything up and take it with you every day. here they will be able to just have a space that is theirs. essentially, this is a place in two halves, upstairs, you have pads where people will stay for the night, and it is here in the community space where the work will be done to keep people off the streets —— beds. the work will be done to keep people off the streets -- beds. as a prevention, people will be able to come here and get support before they get to that point of becoming homeless, they will be able to meet

with agencies like ourselves and covered in a dunn will who we work in partnership with. -- and stumble. this person spent 18 months on the street before coming to the project. he has since been harassed and has a job as a chef but as a gay man the fee he experienced on the streets stayed with him. it is very, very dangerous. some places where i stayed you could hear it in people pulls my conversation. always hatred and disgust —— in people's conversation. gay people and lesbian and whatever. it is not easy. there are days you feel, what is the point? every door they slam on you. i have had people, drug dealers,

approaching me, trying to put spice in my stuff, waking up with people urinating on you. a couple of people spat on me as well. you got help in the shelter, temporary home, why does an lgbt specific shell to help people like you? you arrive in the shelter where everybody is of your own kind, it feels so good to be me again. something that i had to hide for so long. which brings back new confidence, brings back your drive. if you are lgbt in britain, you have afar if you are lgbt in britain, you have a far higher chance of being made homeless than if you are heterosexual. among youth homelessness, 24% of people are lgbt and 70% of them say they are in that predicament because their parents rejected them. but why is it so common? we believe around one in four homeless people identify as

lgbt. michael is director of services at stone will housing which aims homes to the community. lgbt people experience domestic abuse, anti—social behaviour, hate crime, at much higher rates. about 60% of our service users say sexuality or gender identity is directly related to the homelessness issue. we know there is definitely a correlation between gender identity, sexuality and the person's homelessness. trans people are more likely to experience violence than pretty much anyone in the country, the amount of trans deaths each year is phenomenal and it keeps on growing. trans people face extreme risks on the street. they also sometimes our full steady transition in order to survive. ——

are forced to de—transition in order to survive. the shelter has been open for ten days. it can house up to ten people across dormitory rooms and private rooms. so far it has been full every night. one of the guests is this woman. she has been on the streets for almost three yea rs. on the streets for almost three years. she was left suicidal with nothing but the clothes on her back after herfamily nothing but the clothes on her back after her family threw her out when she revealed she was transitioning toa she revealed she was transitioning to a woman. sometimes i get told, go back to your country, all kinds of abuse. racism and transphobia? some quy: abuse. racism and transphobia? some guy, homeless, attacked me and put my tooth. just because i am transgender. the first night you stayed on the streets, when you are homeless, did you present as a

woman? yeah. that is all i wore when icame woman? yeah. that is all i wore when i came home so i had to leave straightaway without packing anything or taking anything so... i had to leave with what i was. anything or taking anything so... i had to leave with what i wasm there was not a place like this for you to come to, where do you think you to come to, where do you think you would be now? probably on the streets right now. because i go to hostels and shelters that i don't feel like i am accepted that two and sometimes rents are high and people do not accept me —— accepted the. get into fights and stuff. on the streets. were you ever turned away from hostiles because of your gender identity? —— from hostels. from hostiles because of your gender identity? -- from hostels. when i spoke to them, they move me from the men's in. sometimes because of what ican men's in. sometimes because of what i can afford to wear and sometimes the area i stayed up, i had to dress

asa the area i stayed up, i had to dress as a man in certain areas. do you think this could be replicated across the country? i think everything is so london centric, to see this up in manchester would be amazing. to be able to stop people from falling through those cracks and ending up on the streets in the first place, i think having this community centre as well is just a huge relief, somewhere for people to go huge relief, somewhere for people to go when they feel safe during the day as well. the most read story on the bbc news site and has been for some hours is this from our programme, one of the official paces at the london marathon has told this programme she and her fellow runners were treated horrifically in the race on sunday, including being called fat and slow by contractors clearing up around

them. liz ayres volunteered to be a slow pacer but says she was being bumped by road sweepers and sprayed by chemicals. i don't know if you can see, there isa i don't know if you can see, there is a sweeper behind me, i am under a 17 minute pace and he is spurring detergent over me. this is our london marathon. sarah pringle — who was running alongside liz ayres — says in the clear—up operation, she got chemical burns from the spray being used to clean the road around them. some of the bands on sarah's foot. —— burns. sarah was running for hospice uk. and london marathon's event director, hugh brasher. explain what your role is, slow pace. races have volunteers wearing

a big flag with a time on it. one is who want to finish the race in a certain time will match with the pace with the finish time. we stay with them at a certain place and support them, provide motivation, keep them at the pace we are instructed to do. i was supposed to do seven and a half hours. all my runners had to be across the line by 730. how are you treated by those around you ? 730. how are you treated by those around you? for the first mile, it was not too bad. we came out of the start, everyone was cheering and clapping, high fives, start, everyone was cheering and clapping, highfives, brilliant. then we got to about a mile and a half in, being overtaken by trucks, transit vans. i was concerned because they were weaving in and out of runners. i was trying to run between runners and tell them, no headphones, vehicles coming through. i could not understand why it was happening because the road is supposed to be closed. i only

started about 20 minutes beforehand already we had these vehicles. by about two miles, we noticed they we re about two miles, we noticed they were spraying things on the road. on to the blue line. i started shouting at them and a car pulled up alongside and he said, what are you doing? i said, alongside and he said, what are you doing? isaid, what alongside and he said, what are you doing? i said, what does it look like? he said, you need to clear the road. i cannot clear the road. there was no way to clear where we were at. iam was no way to clear where we were at. i am the last taser. i think you are supposed to be my hind me —— pacer. he said, i will pull them back. keep doing what you are doing, greatjob. i back. keep doing what you are doing, great job. i thought, back. keep doing what you are doing, greatjob. ithought, brilliant. we got to three miles, we had no water, the vehicle started creeping back up on us the vehicle started creeping back up on us again, i called runner's

world, to find out what was going on, we had no water, more vehicles now, i could see behind me two big burgundy coaches. you are with all the slow runners running... slower runners. running for charity. we had injured runners deferred from last year. they were determined to get around. their only chance. we had runners who were unable to complete training because of family commitments. we had runners who had tried so hard and were just giving it their all for the charity and loved ones. what kind of insults we re loved ones. what kind of insults were being thrown at them? we had some sane, if you were not so fat, you could run faster. —— we had some saying. it is a race, not a walk. so horrible. if you did not eat as much, your t—shirt would fit. without naming names, you probably did not know names, what sort of

people were they? wearing the london marathon blue jackets, people were they? wearing the london marathon bluejackets, officials, contractors, they were swearing at us contractors, they were swearing at us constantly to move out of the road, get a move on. us constantly to move out of the road, geta move on. i us constantly to move out of the road, get a move on. i am sticking to pace. in some areas, i speeded up a little bit to make it safer for my runners. then i ended up losing them. what do you think of the way you were treated by some of those people? if i was not an official pacer, just normaljoe blogs, i think it would have been a little bit stronger, my responses. it was horrible. busting themselves to get around the course, 26 miles is a really long wait, it does not seem that much, but it is long. to go out on the day, we start really early to do the back took off, long day, to

be told you are too fat to do it, i have seen skinny people and they could not do a marathon. let me bring in the event director for the london marathon, over your shoulder, liz. what do you think about the way liz. what do you think about the way liz and her fellow slower runners we re liz and her fellow slower runners were treated? we have apologised to liz and we are very sorry to hear her experience was the antithesis of what we try to provide as an experience. we had over 42,500 finishes, a record number. that is not really the point. she is a slow pacer, running with slower runners, to encourage them and support them in order to give them confidence they can get to the finishing line and already there are contractors, trucks and the rest clearing. we are all about inspiring activities. can you address the

point, please. i promise you i am getting to the point. i believe you asked me how did i feel about it. i was upset, we've apologised to elizabeth. we are conducting a detailed investigation about what we nt detailed investigation about what went on. we are contacting every single runner using geo data to find out what went on. we try and give the same experience to people at the front as to the back. so, it is incredibly disappointing to hear of her experience. incredibly disappointing? is that as far as you go? it's incredibly disappointing. we've apologised and we are conducting... can i stop you there. i've had hundreds and hundreds of m essa g es i've had hundreds and hundreds of messages from the running community in support of slower runners. i've also had hundreds of messages and

tweets from runners from previous yea rs, tweets from runners from previous years, from 2014, 15, 16. they all complain of the same thing. timing that's being pulled up before they've got halfway. cleaning going on around them. no support, no water. this goes on for years and the only reason you're taking notice is because of one of your official paces, one you asked for, your analysis said you needed the support for those runners at the back. i did myjob and you set me up to fail. you set me up to fail those runners. we didn't, we beat you but i will not stand for this because it goes on every year. i'm really sorry but we didn't set you up to fail. you set cleaning crews on my tail. i was 17 minutes into a race and you set cleaning crews on my tail. coaches on my tail. why ask me to do a job

if you are not going to support me? why are you not going to support my runners? so, we changed, exactly as you said, there were contractors that got ahead of you. as a result, the event control room got those contractors changed to go behind you. we have a cut—off of seven hours whereby we have to start reopening the road system. we are in the busiest capital city in one of the busiest capital city in one of the busiest capital cities in the world, we have a finite amount of time with which to get people on the course. what we have to do is understand in detail what went on. we are absolutely determined to understand what went on, to get the detail of runners, of spectators, off videos, cctv. it will take time but i can assure you that the investigation will be thorough and

asa investigation will be thorough and as a result changes will be made. we don't know what those are until we've conducted that investigation but we are absolutely determined to get to the bottom of it, and that we inspire activity. the marathon has beena inspire activity. the marathon has been a force for good in inspiring people to get fit and get healthy, to improve their physical health and mental health, and it's incredibly disappointing, as i've said, to hear this. that is the last thing we wanted in terms of an experience for any of our wanted in terms of an experience for any of our runners. wanted in terms of an experience for any of our runners. llys are's, do you accept hugh brasher‘s apology? in so at this moment you can't do much else. but i asked for help lots of times on sunday. so many times, your officials were asked to support these runners and you let them down. i will hold them responsible for

that. i accept your apology for the time being but this cannot happen again. for what happened to you, sarah? can you hear me? yes. what happen to you? it was about the last 10k of the race. i had paced myself for 6.15. because i encountered some problems that i had to have seen too, i had a blister that was quite open. i got to the 25 k when the ca rs we re open. i got to the 25 k when the cars were passing me and i had already lost my pace ahead of me. i then started to run with the seven paces but i was then sprayed by one

of the passing cars. with what? it was a of the passing cars. with what? it was a full on spray shot which hit my set. and all down the back of me. i laughed at the time —— it hit my foot. inaudible. we are losing the signal but i've got some messages. dave says, i was in liz ayres marathon group and i was hit by a truck, sprayed and sent the wrong way twice. i'm now off work for three weeks. please thank liz ayres for all her hard work. another viewer says, it reminds me of the timei viewer says, it reminds me of the time i took part in a half marathon. when i crossed the finishing line, i was told by a race official that wearing a decent bra might help. it was deeply unpleasant. how do you respond to dave saying he was hit by a truck, sprayed, said the wrong way and is now off work for three weeks?

we are now contacting every single runner around liz. we will be going into great detail as to what happened. ican into great detail as to what happened. i can only apologise to dave for what happened. i am absolutely determined. yes, i'm we go absolutely determined. yes, i'm we go into... the team puts enormous preparation into this event. it is a massive logistical challenge and that's something we've done over the la st that's something we've done over the last 39 events. we are determined... this should not happen. we will go into it in great detail, as we do with anything that isn't met up to the expectations. there will be actions taken as a result but at this moment i can't say exactly what those will be. i will be reporting london marathon said being in breach

of regulations for water on the course. the regulations state while a competitor is on a course they should be water every five kilometres, and there wasn't. i'm just advising you of that now because i'm really not happy about that. would you like to respond? there is water throughout the course. there is a myriad of different methods that we have to hydrate people. that includes control vehicle. the ones we couldn't find behind all of those orange vehicles you put on the course, the ones we couldn't find, yes? the ones you told us to go find but i couldn't go back to them and i couldn't go forward to find them. effectively, you are not making water adequately available for us. our course control vehicle goes backwards and forwards and we will go backwards and forwards and we will go into great detail about every single piece of information, to

ensure that we deliver a fantastic experience for our participants. thank you, all of you. hugh brasher is from the london marathon, he there event director. he apologised and is carrying out an investigation into what went wrong, into wife liz ayres and other runners experience was so horrific last sunday —— y liz ayres' experience was so horrific. "i swear on my children's lives i did not do it". that's what the man who was sacked last night as defence secretary, gavin williamson, says — absolutely adamant he that he didn't leak information from a secret government security committee to a newspaperjournalist. you may not have come across mr williamson. so here he is in action when he first got the job as defence secretary.

russia should go away, should shut up. let's run by you again. russia should go away, should shut up. but now the prime minister has to told gavin williamson to go away because in her view, he did't shut up. theresa may sacked him for disclosing plans to allow chinese telecoms giant huawei to help build the uk's 5g mobile fone network. in the letter theresa may wrote to mr williamson sacking him, she said there was "compelling evidence suggesting your responsibility" for the leak. mr williamson wrote back with, "i strenuously deny that i was in any way involved in this lea k". and he is quoted in newsapers as saying he's the victim of a "vendetta" and a "kangaroo court". let's talk to two conservative mps. bob seely who is a former army sergeant and sits on the house of commons foreign affairs select committee,

and colonel bob stewart, who commanded un forces in bosnia. who do you believe, theresa may or gavin williamson? let's be clear. this shouldn't be a political decision, this is a criminal decision. when we were in the armed forces, we signed something for the official secrets act. when you sign the official secrets act, you realise that if you breach security, if you tell something you shouldn't, you will be charged and brought before a court. i don't think this isa before a court. i don't think this is a political matter, i think this is a political matter, i think this isa criminal is a political matter, i think this is a criminal matter and i think as williamson has said, i protest my innocence in this matter, and even the prime minister said there wasn't conclusive evidence, there was compelling evidence. but not conclusive evidence that he did it. i think the police should investigate this matter. sorry to interrupt. it sounds like you think

the prime minister has got it wrong. i don't know. who knows whether the prime minister has got it wrong? one thing i don't like is the idea that a cabinet secretary does a quick and dirty investigation about a criminal matter. if williamson has got it wrong he should be in a cell. he shouldn't be walking around. the only way we can discover that is if there is a proper investigation. who do you believe? i presume the prime minister has her facts right. i can't say for certain... gavin williamson is lying? the truth may be more complex, i don't know, i wasn't there. i respect the prime minister's decision. i respect what colonel stewart says. i don't take entirely the same point of view. i also signed the official secrets act. if i had been leaking information i would have been disciplined, sacked or potentially prosecuted. gavin williamson wasn't

leaking lists of agents in russia or high tech specs of kit, this was a political leak and he is paid a significant price. there was politics behind that and that was this... if mrs may doesn't have the confidence of her defence secretary then it's within her gift to get rid of him. according to our political editor, mr williamson has admitted he talked to this journalist at the daily telegraph but is adamant he didn't leak the information. is that a coincidence? who knows? no one knows. that's why a proper investigation is required. we are going to go to the house of commons because labour's tom watson is asking an urgent question about this very issue. i've seen the material we share with each other in total confidence. in his defiant challenge, the former defence

secretary has put the prime minister's and judgment in the spotlight. whether he is guilty or not should be a question for the criminal justice system. not should be a question for the criminaljustice system. the question the minister has to answer today is, is he confident that the prime minister's decision to allow huawei to participate in our 5g networks keeps this country safe and protects our intelligence relationships with our allies? mr speaker, the right honourable gentleman is a lighting a number of different subjects in his questions to me —— is eliding. on the question of the substance of the government's policy decisions, it's been said already on a number of occasions that the review of 56 networks being carried out by my right honourable friend the secretary of state for

digital culture, media and sport is a matter of public record. the government has committed to telling this house of its conclusions, once those decisions have been taken and approved at all levels within government, and we are ready to bring that information to this house. that will be the time for this house to both learn what the government has decided and to hold ministers to account for their decisions. i can reiterate to the house, mr speaker, that the government's priorities for the future of telecommunications remain stronger cyber security practices, greater resilience throughout networks, and diversity in the marketplace. it's been said before from this dispatch box, this is a policy challenge that goes beyond a single company or even a single

country. we continue to work very closely with all of our allies and with other international partners. the problem about this particular case was the problem about this particular case was not so the problem about this particular case was not so much the problem about this particular case was not so much the question of the material that was disclosed, but the material that was disclosed, but the forum from which the leak came. it was to maintain the integrity and secrecy essential for the proper conduct of the business of the government of the uk, whichever party happens to be in office, that caused the prime minister to set up the enquiry and to take the decisions she took yesterday. the enquiry, as faras decisions she took yesterday. the enquiry, as far as i'm aware, to place on the basis of confidentiality throughout its proceedings. it came to conclusions that were reported to my right

honourable friend the prime minister, and she has taken decisions that she announced yesterday. this boils down, mr speaker, to what is set out in the ministerial code. it states that ministers only remain in office for so long as they retain the confidence of the prime minister. she is the ultimate judge of the standards of behaviour expected of a ministerand standards of behaviour expected of a minister and the appropriate consequences of a breach of those standards. david lidington, the prime minister's deputy. as our national security at risk? not from this leak, i don't think it was. leaking isn't good but there is an important debate now happening that wouldn't have happened. there is a silver lining to belly and that is we are going to make some important decisions about the security of our communications networks. we need an

open debate. i'm worried these decisions have already effectively been made and they are the wrong ones. our colleagues, our closest allies, several of them have already said no to huawei and noted chinese kit in the infrastructure. you say he did the right thing because it started that debate. i'm saying there is a public interest. some good may have come out of that which is that we are having a debate about huawei and i hope we, with the right answer. next week i come out with a detailed five nations report about why we need to think again about huawei. thank you both. star of line of duty vicky mcclure has told this programme she wants the government to put more money into seeking a cure for dementia. last year, the government spent just over £80 million on dementia research.

tonight, vicky's got a documentary starting on bbc one in which she gets togther a group of people all living with dementia to form a choir. it's a cause close to her heart because her grandma had it and found singing was a big help. a warning that there's a line of duty spoiler about six minutes into this interview. i have my own experience, and it's not something that anybody wants to go through, but there's so much going on. there's so many people trying to find different ways in which we can research it, live well with it. and this is just another part of it. what do you think people will take from this, we'll learn from this? i think you'll learn what dementia is, to start with. i think it's really complicated. you see it, physically, what does it look like? we do actually see that, and i was really interested to say, how does the brain look if you've got dementia? does it look different to my brain? what does dementia mean? what's alzheimer's, what's the difference? people get quite confused. actually, dementia is

like an umbrella term, and there's hundreds of different types of dementia. so, i think for those out there that have got experience of dementia, it's quite nice to know that there is lots being done, there's lots of research being done. but i think one thing that will be quite shocking to people is there's a lot of laughter. it's because people are human beings, still living their lives as we all do. you can't take life too seriously, and a lot of people in this documentary tend not to. they are just doing their best. chris has frontotemporal dementia. it's attacking the front of his brain, the part that controls behaviour, leaving him unpredictable and often inappropriate. tell me what's happening here. we like a bit of action in the bedroom, vicky. we've seen various marital aids, and jane particularly liked this design, so i made it but itjust won't fit in the bedroom.

it's really big. but it's still good fun, even in the garden. it's quite secluded here. she laughs. you look at the effects of music on the brains of the people in the choir, and that is really positive. do you think that should give hope to people, how music can help people with dementia? it will give hope. i mean, it's not like we're doing research that we are not coming out with any kind of result. we are not coming out with a cure. music has an effect, an emotional effect on people living with dementia, positively. because people have this assumption that once you are diagnosed, that's it. your brain has shut down and you're no longer able to be challenged or to do certain things. what we're saying is that's completely untrue. scientifically, we know it to be untrue. and my brain and a dementia brain are working in the same way in terms of an emotional connection to music. i do think music, to me, i believe

it to be a bit of the drug. it does have that kind of effect on people, where you put that song on, boom, they light up. or it brings out a really raw emotion that they might need to release. having dementia doesn't mean you don't have emotion. music hits yourself. ——music hits your soul. it's a very powerful thing. our choir, dementia choir, come on! applause. this is bernard. here's maureen. there's maurice, he was the nottingham singing landlord. there's a moment in the programme when you say to your mum, are you scared about getting dementia? because, obviously, her mum, your grandma, had it. that was hard, for you and her. it was, and i kind of... you know, she, very openly and honestly, said that she would find it...

you know, she does worry about the fact that she might get it. and then i remember going, i don't want to talk about it. you know, i'd ask the question and then retracted and thought, i don't want to really know the answer. because i watched my mum care for my nonna. and, like, you kind of go, have i got that strength? i know i would, because i'd do anything for my mum. as we would, and like she says, it kicks in, and you just do it. but you can't put yourself in that position, you can't imagine it. so, you try to just sort of forget that that's going to happen. and i am going to forget that, because it may not happen, do you know what i mean? do you worry about you getting dementia? yeah. i probably think about that more than i ever have, because it's, you know, it's more likely, because it's more likely a lot of us will get dementia.

you know, you can get certain tests that will maybe determine whether or not you might be highly likely to get dementia. would you want that? no. why would you want to put yourself through it? i completely understand that some people might, for other reasons. and it's a choice then, and it would be my choice just to let whatever‘s going to bejust be. it's really hard, because i think people kind of go, dementia, it's an old person's disease, you can't find your keys, you can't remember that person's name. it's so much more than that, and it's a killer. that's what's really frightening. have your co—stars in line of duty, adrian dunbar and martin compston, seen this programme? they saw a very early cut when we were filming line of duty. what was their reaction? i mean, you know, it was very emotional. i rememberthemjust going, god, we're all having a lovely time

and sort of pratting around, if you like, on set. that was kind of what i'd been doing previous to shooting line of duty. they were just really proud that, you know, this was something that i'd got involved in. but, yeah, i think they were really proud, yeah. there is one individual we are particularly interested in. do you recognise the codename "h"? is your boss watching all this? superintendent hastings is in custody, under investigation for his links with the ocg. is he h? i genuinely would never have expected it to have gone this crazy. but it's brilliant. everybody has upped their game, though. jed, you know, he's really gone for it with the scripts, and we've alljust had a lot more to play with.

it's been quite an emotional series, i think. there's been lots of turbulent times, lots of action. there's just been so many great theories from the audience, and i'm just so grateful to people tuning in, because the ratings that we've had has been incredible. there was a bit of, you know, irritation on social media when this series was emerging. i know what you're going to say! "from the makers of bodyguard!" people were like, excuse me, line of duty came first. did you agree that was slightly annoying? i loved how much the audience got annoyed about that, and i do remember when i saw it, it made me chuckle. but you can't dispute that bodyguard was a huge success, and we have the same crew, the same lighters, the same production. so, they're all friends of ours, so we're really proud of them for getting that kind of figure.

we seem to have taken a little bit of the bodyguard audience with us, which is brilliant. there is no competition between line of duty and bodyguard? i don't think there is. they're not the same shows. they're very different. but, look, i'm in line of duty, so that's my main priority, and we were there first, so. absolutely! in reality, out of you, adrian dunbar and martin compston, who would make the best real—life copper? that's a tricky one. i don't know. it sounds really big headed, but i feel like i might, just because i'm a much nosy person. right. i think aidy mightjust want to retire now and chill out. ithink martin... he'd make a great copper. i want to come back to our dementia choir, finally. the music therapy that you've shown in this programme, would you like to see that rolled out into care homes across the country? i'd like to see it rolled out

to care homes, i'd like to see people setting up in their towns, cities, villages, whatever it might be. because not everybody who is living with dementia is in a care home. a longer version of that interview is on the website. our dementia choir with vicky mcclure will be on bbc one tonight at 8pm and then available afterwards in the iplayer. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. have a good day. as you can see in essex it's been largely dry but the showers have been more focused towards northern and western parts of england and up

into wales. they shower is lifting further south and east. further into the afternoon, turning heavy and perhaps thundery across the north—east of england and up into scotland. in northern ireland, and the south—west, a bit drier. turning colder in the far north of scotland. that colder air will move southward. we've got a band of showers moving through northern england through tonight. temperatures in northern parts 3—5 overnight. then during friday, colder air across much of northern parts of the uk. further south, holding on to milder conditions. some cloud and showers gradually moving south. bye—bye.

you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's11am and these are the main stories this morning. the former defence secretary, gavin williamson who was sacked yesterday, strongly denies leaking information from a national security council meeting. mr williamson was blamed by the prime minister for revealing discussions about the chinese company, huawei. the deputy labour leader says a further inquiry is needed. in response to receiving the most brutal sacking i can think of, the member for south staffordshire has protested his innocence. therefore, this matter cannot be, as the prime minister says, closed. a new inquest is ordered into the death of nine—year old london girl ella kissi—debra — her mother believes she was killed by air pollution.