tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News May 6, 2019 10:30am-11:01am BST
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5-7“ celsius. elsewhere about 5—7 celsius. tuesday, showers developing quite widely across wales and the midlands, northern parts of england. some brighter spells and temperatures of 9—15. bye—bye. hello this is bbc news joanna gosling. the headlines: 41 people are now known to have been killed when a russian passenger plane caught fire during an emergency landing in moscow. leading scientists call for a world wide rescue plan to prevent losing one in four of all species and plants. a un report, to be published in paris later today, says humans are to blame for the drastic declines. police hunting fugitive joseph mccann over the abduction and rapes of three women, in and around london, have arrested a man after the abduction of two other women in cheshire. following a car chase and police searches overnight, it's believed thatjoseph mccann was detained.
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now on bbc news, the best of the week's interviews and reports from the victoria derbyshire programme. hello and welcome to our programme. over the next half—hour, we'll bring you some of the exclusive and original journalism we've broadcast over the last week. first, wildlife presenter chris packham told us exclusively about the very calculated death threat that he and his family received after he'd campaigned to get landowners‘ and farmers‘ gun licenses revoked for shooting certain species of birds. well, i have received parcels in the post, some of which have been humorous or innocuous. a few unsolicited letters with people ranting about their cause, but again, nothing offensive. one package full of human excrement, which has been taken away by the police for analysis. they've got some dna from that. an enormous torrent of abuse on social media.
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but the most perturbing thing, if i'm really honest with you, is that a number of small businesses that i work with, and charities, have been so bombarded by bullies that they have had to take down their tripadvisor, they've had to take down their facebook. because of the link with you? yeah, because of the link with me. it's not their fight. i am used to getting this sort of bullying. in fact, i'm extremely resistant to it. i've had a lifetime of bullying for various reasons, so it goes over my head, but i don't expect them to be that resistant. if they come into work in the morning and they receive this, it's understandable they're upset. my point is, pick on me, please don't pick on these people. it's not their fight. they don't necessarily subscribe to all of my views. i'm working with them on other things, in some cases charitable things. by damaging them, you're damaging the welfare of, principally, animals, and people trying to look after the environment. tell us about the horrific letter you received in the post yesterday? well, overnight...
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i got home from filming last night, opened the post and received a letter, which is a very calculated death threat directed towards myself and my family. which at the moment we are reporting to the police, we're going through that process. they're collecting the letter today and taking it away for analysis. all death threats are serious, why do you describe this as very calculated? in the structure of its composition it's designed to elicit as much fear as possible, they're unspecific about where and when. they're principallyjust saying, "you'll never be safe, you'll never be able to go out. we will always be there." suggesting they would harm you in what way? they've listed a whole catalogue of things they might do. can i ask you...? can i be very honest? for me, this is part and parcel of the process. i'm campaigning for change, people are resistant to change in every walk of life. we're asking them to make some pretty tough decisions in order
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to protect the environment. i understand that certain factions, not all of them, will lash out, and i expect this. it will never sway me from my cause. sure, and i will come back to that, what you are campaigning for. but in terms of the nature of what has been threatened against you and your family in this horrific letter, things like what? orchestrating my death through various different means. like a car crash? yeah, yeah. "we could organise a car crash". "we could organise poisoning you". "we could organise all of these things". oh, my goodness. and how do you respond...? i mean, you're very bullish, but really! i know the viewers might think this is simply bravado and false stoicism. people like myself who will not tolerate injustice at all are very dogged and determined. i cannot allow these sorts
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of things to sway me. there are too few people standing up at the moment and fighting to protect our environment, our landscape, our wildlife. there is no chance that i can step down, ijust have to carry on, and i will do so. the other thing is... can i just ask? i will come back to that. are the police taking this very seriously? the police are being brilliant. 0k. absolutely superb. they've been extremely helpful, yes. so, let's go back to the fact that you successfully challenged this general licence that allows the shooting of 16 species of birds, including crows, jays and wood pigeons. it would be illegal, it is illegal now to shoot these birds without an individual licence and that's what's caused this latest controversy. and you'll know that some farmers are really cross about it because they say it is playing havoc with theirfarming calendar and it means they can't protect some of their own species.
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that is what is behind these threats, would you say? yes, it is. unfortunately, lots of fake news has been generated off the back of this. our purpose was to question the validity of the implementation of these licences, because there is no doubt at all that in the way they currently stand and are operated, huge numbers of birds are killed, not because they are pests or damaging anyone‘s interests, simply because it is legal to kill them. so people will go out with the sole purpose of killing something for pleasure. at no stage have we ever striven to make it any more difficult for farmers or anyone with a vested interest in whatever they are doing to be able to control animals that they might consider pests. right. however, in order to do that, they have to show they've explored every other means of control — scaring them, netting, so on and so forth. and as the licences stood, that was not being satisfied. right. what has happened in the aftermath,
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unfortunately, in the short period of time that licences weren't available — and they are now available again — is that certain lobbies have used this as an opportunity to generate an enormous amount of fake news in order to try and destroy the integrity of conservationists like myself, because they are resistant to change. they don't want the ability to kill wildlife for fun taken away from them. and as a consequence of that, we are mired in this hoo—ha. you're saying that they want to do it forfun? well, you see, if you're a farmer and you have a crop, and there are animals coming to it and they are harming the crop, and you've showed that you can't scare them off and you can't net it, it's not practicable, then you can have a licence to do that. in many other european countries, you apply for a licence, you get it, and then that's not a problem. at the moment, if you're a landowner or you have the landowner‘s permission, you can go out onto that land,
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and it may be miles from your own home, you may not be a farmer with any vested interest in that land, and you can shoot those 16 species of birds at any time of the year for no reason whatsoever. ok, but they say at the moment — this is from the british association of shooting and conservation — for everyone reliant on general licences, the withdrawal of them has come at the worst possible time of the year, when lambs, young crops and nesting birds, including curlew and lapwing, are all in most need of protection from marauding pest birds like pigeons and grouse. mm—hm. well, natural england chose to withdraw the licences. when we put in our application forjudicial review, our suggestion was that the licence was continued until the end of this year and that would give natural england nine months to look at how they would change it so it could be implemented legally next year. we weren't part and parcel of that decision to remove the licences at all. we were merely doing our duty as conservationists to raise this issue so that we could better protect birds which were being needlessly killed. let's stress that, needlessly killed, not birds which were definitely doing damage to any crops. 0k. final thought, a number
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of people always ask this — how are you, as a bbc television presenter, able to work with certain campaigns and publicly state your views in a way other hosts aren't allowed to? well, i'm not strictly a bbc tv presenter, i work on the bbc, presenting at times. i'm not a bbc employee, i'm contracted to work on a daily basis on the programmes that i work on. you're a freelancer. i'm a freelancer, of course, yes, and i'm employed on the basis of my expertise. i don't do cookery, i don't do gardening. i do wildlife, and i think the viewers, traditionally of the bbc, expect to have those sorts of documentary programmes fronted by people who know what they are talking about. final, final thought. you've contacted the police over the letter that you received, um, the horrific letter that you received in the post yesterday. do you have confidence that they will catch the people who wrote you that letter? well, i can't say that i have any confidence, the police would have to tell me that. we know that they are enormously skilful these days and they've taken dna from the other things which have come in the post.
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so they are definitely working as hard as they possibly can. i think the key thing is that they're showing due diligence. um, they are being extremely helpful, and that whatever happens, i will have to carry on and just absorb this and soak it up. in the meantime, your address is on facebook. why haven't they taken it down? ah, well, facebook, i can't speak so kindly about facebook, i'm afraid. why haven't they removed it? it's so difficult, dealing with facebook. they are extremely resistant to these sorts of things and so, unfortunately, that address is out there. it's also out there with invitations to send me dead animals and all sorts of other things, so there's definitely incitement to violence, but facebook... well, over to you. in another exclusive, the university of liverpool was forced to apologise and is conducting a review of its policies after our programme revealed that disabled students had been charged for long—term extensions to their assignments because of ill health. when one of them couldn't pay, they were locked out of their e—mail and other vital systems to enable them to complete their coursework.
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and other disabled students told us about the lack of accessible facilities on campus. last year, over 94,000 disabled students enrolled at university in england, encouraged by universities pledging to improve inclusivity in higher education. but some students at liverpool university say these vows are empty promises. the support has been extremely inconsistent and at times just completely not there. i just feel quite marginalised really, from all of these experiences. this programme has learned that the university of liverpool has been charging disabled students who require long—term extensions to their assignments because of ill health. the university policy states that students face a fee for extending their studies into a new academic year, even if they need the extra time because of personal or medical reasons, also known as extenuating circumstances.
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this happened to students felicity and kayley, who have mental and physical health conditions. we both had e—mails from the university to say we'd be charged. the invoice said £50 for each of us. this was for the first three—month extension that we both got. following this first charge, both kayley and felicity were granted a second extension. but kayley was once again contacted about a charge, this time for £200. i'm locked out of my university account, because i've been charged for an extension and i can't pay for the charge at the moment. so i've got no access to my emails, no access to documents for my dissertation. kayley complained about the £200 charge to the university, but instead of this solving the problem, felicity was also charged the same amount for her second extension. literally, a week later,
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a week after i'd paid the £50 out of my own money, i got an invoice for the second extension i got, for £200. the two charges were both justified based on tuition. well, it was listed as tuition on the invoice, but they said it was an admin charge in person. both kayley and felicity found that no—one seemed to know which department was responsible for the charges. i think it really disadvantages disabled students. you've already got support needs that are getting in the way of you completing your studies to yourfull ability, and then you've got to put all this extra effort, all this extra energy, into getting your extension secured and challenging people when you feel like something's been done unfairly. we've raised their complaints with the university, who now say that they are reviewing charging for extensions. they also pointed out that despite her accepted extension due
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to her health condition, kayley is not registered with them as a disabled student. but these deadline charges are just one of the concerns i found about disability support at liverpool university. under the equality act 2010, organisations have a responsibility to ensure that disabled people are as able to access services and education as non—disabled people. but a recent freedom of information request has revealed that only 57 out of more than 100 university buildings are fitted with general—use lifts, meaning many are inaccessible for physically disabled students. and 77% of those buildings do not have an evacuation lift, which enables wheelchair users, or otherwise physically disabled students, to evacuate safely in the case of a fire. nana has cerebral palsy and uses a wheelchair, and she's struggled with accessibility at liverpool.
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her support plan, a document which sets out the adjustments needed for her disability, states that she requires wheelchair—accessible teaching rooms and should not be picked to speak in lectures or seminars because of her anxiety around her stammer. so, how many times have you now been scheduled into rooms that are inaccessible to you?
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of staff in her second year, an experience she told me she found uncomfortable. what is in your peep plan then? the university of liverpool have now apologised for the timetabling of lectures in inaccessible rooms. they've also removed the frosted glass. nana's experience is not an isolated case. undergraduate studentjulia set up the disability society to voice her frustrations.
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i just got to a stage where i was so angry at the university for not helping me, putting in the support in place. i realised that it wasn'tjust me who was having these issues, it was a lot of students. julia has various health conditions which require additional support, including chronic fatigue syndrome and the connected tissue disorder, ehlers—danlos hypermobility. this is sort of my general box of medications... it causes her chronic pain, as even climbing stairs can cause herjoints to partially or fully dislocate. how has the university been in terms of their support towards you? extremely inconsistent, and at times just completely not there. i'm not supposed to have two exams in the same day because of my fatigue. i had these two exams on the same day, and i got in there and i was presented with this office chair,
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which was already sloping because it had got to that broken stage already. and in my support plan, it says i'm supposed to have an ergonomic chair. an ergonomic chair is a chair that at least has arms on the sides of it and properly supports your form. it was physically a test of my pain tolerance, and not my academic ability. like nana, julia was also not contacted about a personal emergency evacuation plan. the university now say that they are sorry and have since contacted them both to rectify this. they also told us that they are committed to fulfilling their obligations under the equality act, and work hard to provide individual support. but they accept that there are occasions where they have fallen short, and say they will involve disabled students more regularly in their decision—making going forward — something all of the students in this film say they would welcome.
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they say they're happy that certain policies are being reviewed, but would appreciate a personal apology from the university and a justification for the £200 charge. one of the official pacers at the london marathon told this programme this week that she, and some of her fellow runners, were treated horrifically during the race, last sunday, including being called fat and slow by contractors who were clearing up around them, and being sprayed by chemicals in that clear—up operation. for the first mile, it wasn't too bad. we came out of the start, everyone was cheering and clapping, there were high fives from kids, it was brilliant. then we got to about a mile and a half in, and then we were being overtaken by flatbed trucks, transit vans, and i was concerned, because they were weaving in and out of runners. so, i was trying to run
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between runners and tell them, "no headphones", because these vehicles are coming through. and i couldn't understand why that was happening, because the road is supposed to be closed. i'd only started about 20 minutes beforehand, and already we had these vehicles. by about two miles, we noticed that they were spraying things on the road. let me bring in the event directorfor the london marathon, hugh brasher. he's just over your shoulder, liz. what do you think about the way liz and her fellow slower runners were treated ? so, we have apologised to liz and we are very sorry to hear that her experience was the antithesis of what we try to provide as an experience. we have apologised and we are conducting a detailed investigation. can ijust stop you there? i've had hundreds and hundreds of messages from the running community in support of the slower runners. but i've also had hundreds
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of messages and tweets from runners from previous years, from 2014, ‘15, ‘16... oh, i'm going to quite happily send them onto you. and they all complain of the same thing. timing mats being pulled up way before they've even got to the halfway point. cleaning going on around them. no support, no water. this goes on for years and the only reason why you're taking notice now is because one of your official pacers, one that you asked for... your analysis said you needed the support for those runners at the back. you asked runner's world for us. i did myjob and you, you set me up to fail. you set me up to fail those runners. and we didn't, we beat you, but i will not stand for this, because it goes on every year. i'm really sorry, but we really didn't set you up to fail. you set cleaning crews on my tail, literally one mile out. i was 17 minutes into a race and you set cleaning crews on my tail. coaches on my tail.
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why ask me to do a job, if you are not going to support me? why are you not going to support my runners? so, we changed, exactly as you said. at the start, there were contractors that got ahead of you. as a result of that, the event control room got those contractors changed to go behind you. we have a cut—off of seven hours, whereby we have to start reopening the road system. we are in the busiest capital city... in one of the busiest capital cities in the world, and we have a finite amount of time with which to get people on the course, and what we have to do here is understand in detail what went on. also this week, line of duty star vicky mcclure told us exclusively that she wants the government to put more money into dementia research, and told us the condition should be treated the same as cancer. she has been making a documentary about people living with dementia and the positive effect music can have on them.
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i have my own experience, and it's not something that anybody wants to go through, but there's so much going on. there's so many people trying to find different ways in which we can research it, live well with it. and this is just another part of it. what do you think people, when they watch it, will take from this, will learn from this? i think you'll learn what dementia is, to start with. i think it's really complicated. you can't see it. physically, what does it look like? and we do actually see that, and i was really interested to see, well, how does the brain look if you've got dementia? does it look different to my brain? and what does dementia mean? what's alzheimer's, what's the difference? people get quite confused. and actually, dementia is like an umbrella term, and there's hundreds of different types of dementia. so, i think for those out there that have got experience of dementia, it's quite nice to know that there's lots being done, there's lots of research being done.
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but i think one thing that will be quite shocking to people is there's a lot of laughter. it's because people are human beings, still living their lives as we all do. and you can't take life too seriously, and a lot of people in this documentary tend not to. they're just doing their best. chris has frontotemporal dementia. it's attacking the front of his brain, the part that controls behaviour, leaving him unpredictable and often inappropriate. go on, chris, tell me what's happening here. yes, we like a bit of action in the bedroom, vicky, and we've seen various marital aids and things, and jane particularly liked this design, so i made it, but it just won't fit in the bedroom. it's really big. so we have to leave it out here. yeah. but it's still good fun, even in the garden. it's quite secluded here. she laughs. you look at the effects of music on the brains of the people in the choir, and that is really positive actually. do you think that should give hope to people,
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about how music can help people with dementia? it will give hope. i mean, it's not like we're doing research that we are not coming out with any kind of result. we're not coming out with a cure. music has an effect, an emotional effect on the people living with dementia, positively. because people have this assumption that once you're diagnosed, that's it. your brain is shutting down and you're no longer able to be challenged or to do certain things. what we're saying is that's completely untrue. scientifically, we know it to be untrue. and my brain and a dementia brain are working in the same way in terms of an emotional connection to music. and i do think music, to me, i believe it to be a bit of a drug. it does have that kind of effect on people, where you put that song on — boom! they light up, or it brings out a really raw emotion that they might need to release. having dementia doesn't mean you don't have emotion. music hits your soul. it's a very powerful thing.
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that's it for this week. remember, if you've got a story, do get in touch. we're back live on tuesday morning at 10am, on bbc two, the bbc news channel and online. thanks for watching. good morning. the cool weather over the weekend has extended into the bank holiday monday with temperatures at best 13 degrees across the south but we have some sunshine. this is the scene in perth and kinross, sunny spells. sunny spells developing across a good part of scotla nd spells developing across a good part of scotland this afternoon, some wintry showers in the far north. we have this showery band of rain moving south into the midlands, east anglia, throughout the afternoon. the northerly wind is bringing that airfrom the arctic
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the northerly wind is bringing that air from the arctic temperatures struggling from 7 to 10 celsius up to 13 degrees across the south. tonight, this showery band of rain will continue to spread southward with varying amounts of cloud with showers across scotland, wintry over the higher ground but for the north east, a frost developing with temperatures in the countryside below freezing. further south, there's temperatures overnight 5—7 degrees. tuesday, more showers coming into scotland wintry over the higher ground and showers across northern england in the morning and showers moving their way through wales, the midlands and east anglia. further south, dry and bright day with some sunshine stop temperatures up with some sunshine stop temperatures up to 15 but chilly further north. this area of low pressure on wednesday will move from the south—west, the weather fronts pushing their way north. good spell of rainfor pushing their way north. good spell of rain for gardeners and growers on wednesday. it will bring in milder conditions from the south—west,
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starting to push away that colder air. it will feel quite chilly. during wednesday. particularly in northern parts. strong easterly wind with the rain moving through. the rain clears further south with brighter skies, some heavy showers and perhaps the odd rumble of thunder between sunny spells, rain in scotland, largely dry in northern ireland. a brisk easterly wind making it feel chilly particular north sea coasts, 6—8dc, further south 1a or 15. this week, we will still look at some cool days and chilly nights. rain and strong winds, particularly during wednesday. not a right off, some sunshine as we go through the week. something a bit less cold and more settled as we go into the weekend. goodbye.
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this is bbc news. the headlines at 11.00am: 41 people are now known to have been killed when a russian passenger plane caught fire during an emergency landing in moscow. six of the 33 who survived are said to be in a serious condition. some survivors suggest the plane was struck by lightning. an investigation into the cause is underway. a call for a world wide rescue plan to prevent losing one in four of all species and plants — because of human activity. police hunting joseph mccann — for a series of alleged abductions and rapes — have arrested a man in cheshire. tackling fake news ahead of the european elections —
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