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tv   Lula  BBC News  May 11, 2019 2:30pm-3:01pm BST

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the headlines: concerns over climate change might restrict the growth of flying in the uk, according to a senior civil servant. the un says houthi rebels in yemen appear to be honouring a pledge to withdraw troops from key ports —
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opening a lifeline for millions of people facing famine. jeremy corbyn announces that labour will pay 16 and 17 year olds the same minimum wage as everyone else if it wins the next election. equal pay for equal work is hardly a controversial idea. so why are we discriminating against young people? fly—tipping in england is up by nearly 40% in the past five years. the local government association says nobody has yet been given the maximum sentence. now on bbc news, in one of his first and only interviews in prison since he was imprisoned last april, former brazilian president luiz inacio lula da silva speaks to kennedy alencar. in his day, he was one of the most popular politicians in the world. luiz inacio lula da silva, known as lula,
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was brazil's first left—wing president. in eight years of power, he transformed the lives of millions in his country, and became one of the most influential latin american leaders of modern times. by the time he left office in 2010, brazil had become the darling of the global economy. barak obama: the most popular politician on earth. but lula's fall was as spectacular as his rise. as brazil descended into the chaos of mass street protests against his successor, lula himself was sensationally arrested, and then convicted of corruption. today brazil has taken a very different path, under the right wing president, jair bolsonaro. lula sits in prison, serving an eight—year sentence for his crimes. in his first television interview since his imprisonment,
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brazilian journalist, kennedy alencar, questions the former president about his life in politics, and his conviction for corruption. you were tried and found guilty of accepting bribes. do you accept any guilt in this case? and from behind his prison walls, lula is heavily critical of president bolsonaro.
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from the very start of his presidency, lula made it clear that things were going to change in a brazil. applause. lula's strategy for the economy was helped by a global boom in commodities from which brazil reaped the benefit. exports of oil, iron ore and agricultural products
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fuelled brazil's rise. perhaps, lula's greatest triumph was that he managed to bring about an unprecedented level of social mobility, mainly through welfare programmes, like bolsa familia. his critics complained thus policy was wasteful and simply designed to buy voters.
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brazil's supercharged economy
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ensured its place at the top table. rio de janeiro. cheering and applause. the award of the world cup and the olympics confirmed that brazil was now a new global power, even though hosting these tournaments would later prove controversial. but as the tournaments approached, their huge costs created divisions. but brazil's fortunes were built on fragile foundations
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and the fate of the country changed dramatically with the global financial crisis, even though its effects were only felt after lula had left office. commodity prices, which had been so essential to brazil's rise, began to fall. although lula successfully transferred power to dilma rousseff, in 2010, the seeds of brazil's economic decline were sown. moreover, dilma lacked lula's popular touch and she failed to take the people with her.
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injune 2013, the uneasy political truce with the brazilian people ended. a massive demonstration in sao paolo demanded the reversal of a recent rise in public transport fares in the city. in the following days, the numbers of protesters grew, and the police fought back, beating up demonstrators and journalists. lula has a controversial theory of why these street protests began.
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street protests, from both the left and the right, were an essential element in the political instability that rocked brazil after lula left office. and the protesters soon had another major cause for complaint. in 2014, a police investigation known as 0peracion lava jato, or 0peration car wash, began to unravel brazil's age—old
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corrupt relationship between businessmen and politicians. up and down the country, hundreds of arrests were made. the man who was leading the operation was a charismatic young judge called sergio moro. lula agrees that, whilst corruption was rife, it was not the main obstacle to progress.
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but when moro‘s investigation turned to a construction magnet, marcelo 0debrecht, brazilian politics was turned upside down. 0debrecht‘s company was found to have received lucrative contracts from the state oil company, petrobras, in return for bribing many senior politicians. amongst the names 0debrecht revealed, were many workers? party figures, including lula. the former president was later alleged to own a holiday apartment in the seaside city of guaruja. judge moro claimed that lula had received free improvements to the apartment as a bribe from the construction company, 0as. in march 2016, police raided lula's house. one of the most popular leaders in brazilian history
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was now viewed with the same suspicion as any other corrupt politician. you were tried and found guilty of accepting 3.7 million in bribes in reais, 1.2 million in us dollars, in the form of improvements to the beach house apartment, it is alleged to be your property, and this was made by construction company 0as. in return 0as got profitable contracts with petrobras. do you accept any guilt in this case?
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0ne judge, sergio moro, convicted you. three from a second instance. four for the third instance. butjudge sergio moro denied this version of events and told us...
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a week after his house had been raided, dilma asked lula tojoin her cabinet as chief of staff. many saw this as an attempt to provide lula with immunity from prosecution by moro, but lula claims he was needed to help dilma from her impending impeachment. but sergio moro had other ideas.
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controversially he arranged to have president dilma's phone wiretapped and when a call was made to lula, moro believed he had struck gold. the call appeared to confirm moro‘s suspicions. lula appeared to be suggesting dilma take a position in his cabinet to protect her from prosecution by moro.
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sergio moro denies this, and said his actions were in the public interest. "democracy in a free society," he wrote, "requires that the government know what they doing even when they try to in the dark." when they try to act in the dark." the reaction on the streets to the release of the wiretap was fury. 1.5 million marched in sao paulo, outraged at the emerging evidence of a cover—up at the very highest level. dilma's plan to appoint lula completely backfired. the courts blocked her appointment as chief of staff. the courts blocked his
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appointment as chief of staff. 0n the street, the protests grew larger, louder and angrier, against lula, dilma and the workers‘ party. within months, dilma was successfully impeached by congress. lula, for his part, was duly convicted of corruption over the improvements to the seaside apartment. by 2018, having exhausted his avenues of appeal, he turned himself into began his prison sentence. he was subsequently denied the chance to run for president. the path was now clear for a new player to take centre stage. jair bolsonaro had been a congressman for 27 years. before that he had been an officer
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in the paratroopers, and he maintains strong links with the military. his politics were controversial and deeply divisive. and then, at the beginning of september 2018, bolsonaro was viciously stabbed while campaigning, and rushed to intensive care. the following month, a divided country voted to take a new path, and the recovering bolsonaro was elected president. lula claims that brazilian democracy is at risk under bolsonaro.
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shortly after the election result, bolsonaro invited sergio moro to be his minister ofjustice. moro is now a super minister, with influence over the judiciary and full control over the federal police and public security issues. lula believes this new role is a reward for taking him out of the game.
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you said that moro wouldn't survive in politics. why? although lula's sentence has recently been reduced and he could soon be granted a form of house arrest, there are other charges relating to corruption that are still hanging over him.
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however, lula maintains that the most important thing for him is to prove his innocence. since he left office, brazilian politics has changed beyond all recognition.
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the economy, once the darling of the emerging markets, remains weak and fragile. his successor has been impeached, the workers‘ party removed from power, and the right—wing president elected. the military keeps the peace on the streets of rio dejaneiro, and nine members of the bolsonaro cabinet have come from their ranks. bolsonaro recently said of lula, "he has a plan to take power, in which ultimately our freedom would be stolen. i think it was a mistake that the courts gave him the right to give an interview." lula, for his part, is highly critical of the new president and the way his family are behaving in power.
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lula has been imprisoned for nearly 400 days. while millions of brazilians are pleased that he is being punished, outside the walls of the prison, his supporters maintain a constant vigil for the former president. lula and his legacy have divided a country. this particular chapter in brazil's
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history may not yet be over. hello. it has been a day of sunshine and showers but more places have had theirfair and showers but more places have had their fair share. and showers but more places have had theirfairshare. 0thers, and showers but more places have had theirfairshare. others, it has been largely dry. the weather has been largely dry. the weather has been largely dry for western scotland. quite the contrast further east with some clouds towering up through the atmosphere and looming large over the north yorkshire town of skipton. no doubt some heavy downpours here. there downpours have been widespread. the radar picture picking up the showers. you can see how numerous they have been and no doubt some heavy ones and thunderstorms out and about as well.
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those heavy showers and storms lasting into the first part of the evening before they give up the goose and we are in for a dry night with clearing skies. winds are light and it will be cold for the time of year. temperatures down into low, single figures are maybe a touch of frost in newcastle and in the countryside. sunday will be a cold start to the morning, but it will be a dry day. we have this big area of high pressure building over the top of the british isles and with the rising pressure, it kills any shower so rising pressure, it kills any shower so it will be a dry day with plenty of sunshine. sunshine from dawn till dusk for most of us. there will be a few showers in the northern isles and cloud working into western scotla nd and cloud working into western scotland making the sunshine hazy at times here. but otherwise it will be a glorious spring day. plenty of sunshine around. temperatures getting warmer, 16 degrees in edinburgh and manchester and 17 in cardiff and london as well. 0nce edinburgh and manchester and 17 in cardiff and london as well. once the area of high pressure has built over the british isles it will last into
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the british isles it will last into the week ahead. a dry week coming up for many others with spells of sunshine and feeling warmer, compared with the cool weather we have seen over recent days. on monday, more sunshine to go around but there will be areas of high cloud across the sky making the sunshine hazy at times. as temperatures continue to rise, it is getting warmer. the 17 in belfast, 19 in edinburgh. as we get towards the middle part of the week, it is across southern and eastern areas temperatures will be a degree or two above normal for the time of year. it is across the north and west of the country we will see the warmest weather and the highest temperatures. in aviemore, 2a celsius as we head into wednesday and feeling warm in glasgow with temperatures into the low 20s as well. thing is warming up and a lot of dry weather to come through sunday and into the week ahead as well.
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this is bbc news. the headlines: flying in the uk may have to be restricted because of climate change, admits the government. campaigners say a rethink is essential. we know we have to reduce our emissions urgently and radically and expanding them is going in the opposite direction. it doesn't make sense. aid workers say a pledge by houthi rebels in yemen to withdraw troops from key ports is a big game changer, as it may open a lifeline for millions of people facing famine. the signs on the ground are people saying it is tentatively looking good, but let's see in the coming days if that is fulfilled. jeremy corbyn announces that labour will pay 16 and 17 year olds the same minimum wage as everyone else — if it wins the next election. fly—tipping in england is up by nearly 40%

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