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as the usa flexes its military might and renews sanctions against iran its president issues a stark warning about difficult times ahead to his country. the national crime agency says organised criminals are killing more british people a year than terrorism, war and natural disasters combined. it wants more money to tackle the problem. and now on bbc news, victoria derbyshire takes a look back at some of the highlights from her programme this week. hello, welcome to our programme. over the next half—hour, we will bring you some of the exclusive and original stories we have broadcast over the last week. this week, the labour mp jess phillips revealed to us she estimates she has had more than 10,000 messages of abuse directed at her over social media.
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at one stage, she says, the vitriol was so overwhelming she burst into tears in public, partly blaming herself, because she believed she had not done enough to try and change the law to try and stop online abuse. yes, actually, ithink it is shocking it is still happening because we've been having this conversation for what feels like about five years, that politics has become feral, that threats against politicians and candidates and people, political activists, it is not a new thing. we still seem to not be able to get through the drudge of it. this is what carl benjamin said in his video, if you're 0k for me to quote him. i know you have not watched it yourself and it has now been taken down from youtube. he said, there has been an awful lot of talk about whether i would or would not rape jess phillips. i suppose, with enough pressure, i might cave, but let's be honest, nobody has got that much beer. when you hear that, what do you feel, what do you think? i think that when the comments
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were sent to me, they were transcribed and sent to me by a journalist, i think my initial feeling was just, this is just the same man doing the same thing, he has only got one shtick, that he dines out on having a go at me, that is all he has got, then i was actually in the bank, and the person i was talking to in the bank said to me, are you all right? because i was having to respond on text message, and i looked up and said, yeah, i am absolutely fine, and i realised that i did what all women do in these situations, that i had been putting a brave face on it and pretending it was all fine and that i could cope, and it dawned on me that for four years, essentially, this man has made a career out of harassing me, and ifelt harassed, i felt like, how can somebody say that they would rape me if forced and be a legitimate candidate in an election? it was one thing when he was just some idiot off the internet
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with a load of bros following him, it is a different thing when he's standing on the same platforms that i am standing on, that he will potentially go to a parliament himself as an elected representative when he has said these things, and i just cannot believe our system is so weak at the moment that that is allowed to happen. when you got home, i think, you did cry? yeah, i mean, i cried in the street in birmingham city centre. did you? just because i felt like the enormous weight of years and years and years of abuse, and ifelt... it is not that i am frightened of a credible threat to me. actually, i am not frightened that anyone is going to hurt me. so you do not fear for your physical safety? i cannot live my life fearing for my physical safety otherwise i would do nothing and i really like living my life like a normal person, so i do not let that creep in very often. what i do fearfor is my mental health, actually. this is essentially like coercive control. sometimes i would rather someone were to punch me in the face than the constant degradation that
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you suffer as a woman in the public eye. it is constant, it constantly belittles you, it makes you blame yourself... you blame yourself? i blame myself for some of this. why? for this, for what carl benjamin said in that video? yeah, i blame myself for accepting it for so long and for not doing more to try and stop it, actually. i blame myself for not... having not, for the past four years, to have not changed directly the electoral commission rules that mean they are actually, completely, their hands are tied in this situation, because people like me in westminster did not do enough to stop what is essentially the rise of fascism, and i blame myself a little bit for that, for putting a brave face on it, and i know i should not, and if i was talking to me and i have talked to many people in my situation... your work before you became a politician, this is what you were talking to women about? i have said, do not blame yourself, do not be ridiculous, but unfortunately, we have all been conditioned, and i have been conditioned as much
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as anybody else. we contacted carl benjamin for a comment. he did not get back to us. previously he has said, quote, any subject can be the subject of a joke. what do you say to him directly? there is this whole thing about how context is king and, oh, i was onlyjoking. it is being used to cover, like i say, what i believe to be the rise of acceptable fascism in our society. i do not believe that anything can be the subject of a joke. for a start, what carl benjamin says, it's not even funny. i like a gag. i am all for using humour, especially in political discourse, because it reaches out to people. what he is saying is not funny, and if your gag has to have a victim attached to it, an actual victim, then your craft of making jokes is very, very poor. if you're laughing at someone rather than with them, you have gone completely wrong.
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do you think there should be a lifetime ban from standing for elected office for those who promote rape and violence? yes, if you promote rape and violence... i was about to try and be the polite politician. it sounds like a really stupid question. i mean a lifetime ban, notjusta ban. i was about to be all like, oh, well, people can come back from mistakes, but if you promote rape and sexual violence and the discourse that completely and utterly makes humour from rape and sexual violence, then of course i would say you should have a lifetime ban. police are now investigating whether what carl benjamin has done has broken the law. in the past, you talked in the commons about you being sexually assaulted when you were 19. pinned up against a wall, a man put his hand up your skirt, you said it terrified you. is there a link between language like the language that carl benjamin has used and rape and violence itself?
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absolutely, there is a direct link between the idea of men using whatever power they have. rape is not about sex, rape is about power and control. it is an act of violence to control somebody subordinate to you. it is never about sex. what carl benjamin is trying to do in his actions is to control me and to make light of the things that control women. this discourse being allowed to go on makes women unsafe, notjust in the commons, but across the country. if we think this is just a joke, and that rape and sexual violence is not to be taken deadly seriously, women in the country, women and children and men are no longer safe. finally, you said, being ambitious, this kind of horrific language, this kind of abuse, it makes you think twice. you know that some people would say, that means they have won? totally, i will not let them win. i am annoyed at myself sometimes
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for putting a brave face on it when i feel like breaking down, however, there is nothing that these men can do to me that will stop me pushing forward, because the thing that scares me more than standing up to this is not standing up to it, it is appeasing it. the thing i am frightened of is, if i were to run away because of a threat to me or my children, what kind of society do we live in in those circumstances? that frightens me much more than standing up and taking the slings and arrows. there has been a dramatic rise in the number of cocaine addicts in this country, according to uk addiction treatment, who provide private treatment. they say, since 2015, they have seen a 128 increase in the numbers. we spoke to three cocaine addicts, all mums, who have taken the drug since having children. a warning, you probably will not want children to watch this film. it lasts just over eight minutes and it does include graphic descriptions of drug use and addiction.
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i grew up in a very normalfamily. i went to a little private school. i met my partner and then i got pregnant quite quickly. we had a lovely car, a lovely house, a mortgage and three really well brought up children. i lived in a fairly affluent area. i did very well at school. i had dreams of being a fashion designer when i was older. i was always very anti—drugs, i do not drink alcohol, i never took drugs in my life. it started back when
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i was in my mid—20s. one of my friends said to me, you know, he was racking up some cocaine, and he said, come on, just do one. my partner lived above a pub. i came home one evening from working in the pub, went upstairs, and he was there with a friend, and they were racking up lines of what i now know to be cocaine. i tried a tiny bit and i did not think much of it, if i am honest. i thought what happened was, over the course of eight years, every time we went out, i started to want it. it was almost like it was that thing that i was searching for all this time, suddenly i felt 0k, i felt comfortable in my own skin. but within a year, that degree course i was on, i was failing, and i was tens of thousands of pounds in debt.
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i never touched it during my pregnancy, and then i fell quite quickly with my second one and it kind of just reappeared. we were not doing the clubbing thing any more. it had become mums at school. around about that time, i met the man who is now my husband. i fell pregnant, and suddenly i had this small child to look after, and it was terrifying. i felt completely out of my depth, i felt lonely, i felt like i didn't know what i was doing. it is probably the hardest thing that i have ever done, having children. when i eventually split with my husband, i had access to quite a bit of money from the separation, and that is where my cocaine usage took a turn. we would meet after school and we would do play dates with the kids and then it would be like, well,
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shall we get one in? the dealers were always around at school pick up. i would go around to friends' houses who were single mums, with my baby in the carrier on the floor and i would be sneaking up to the toilet to do lines. or we would be, you know, doing it on the kitchen side. before i know it, iam bringing men home and sneaking them out, using in my bedroom with my son asleep next door, and then, 6 o'clock in the morning would come, and i would be like, my god, i have done it again, and having that alarm go off, having to get my son to school. i got several grams of pure cocaine and a couple of bottles of wine and i came home and basically shut myself in my bedroom and used the whole evening through,
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till 6 o'clock the next morning, until everything had gone, at which point, i had a fit. i had these paramedics in my bedroom and i can remember them doing these tests on me and me just sobbing my eyes out and just saying, i want to die, please, just let me die. i phoned the dealer and he was like, i am literally clocking off in ten minutes. unless you can meet me now, i am not going to be around. so i literally took the kids out of the bath, got them dressed quickly, rushed up the road to meet them, and my eldest, i think was about eight or nine at the time, he was, like, mummy, what are we doing here? i was in a car park, and i said, we have come to have a look at a hall for your birthday. he was like, it is not my birthday for eight months. towards the end, i was not really going food shopping properly. i noticed that i was not looking after the house. i was not being a mum.
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if i had not stopped, i believe my kids would have been taken away. or i would have died. i met up with my friend the evening before my 20—week scan, and she was with this guy at the time who was a dealer, effectively. i remember being sat in this pub, 20 weeks pregnant, drinking coca—cola, and he held my hand out and he put a rock of cocaine in my hand and i was absolutely powerless to not do it. i can remember the next day, when i was getting my 20—week scan and this baby is going absolutely nuts in my belly. i was just thinking to myself, i have done that to you, i have done that to you. i started engaging with drug and alcohol services and counselling sessions for postnatal depression. but i found whatever had been brought up in my counselling session ijust couldn't cope or deal
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with so i would pick up and use on the way home. ijust had enough of feeling guilt, shame, remorse. i went to one of those meetings and i listened. for the first time in my life i think ijust kind of thought if everyone in this room has got this freedom... you know they all had bright, smiling faces. there were mums talking about how they were present for their kids. and i was like, i want that. the only option really was to go into a private rehab. so i found somewhere quite local so i could see the kids at weekends. i came out of treatment and ijust threw myself into recovery and slowly, slowly life got better. all those years i'd just been a burden to my family, i was finally able to make a dent on repaying some of that. two of my best friends literally climbed on the bin to get
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to my bedroom window. banged on the window and about four or five people marched in my house. and they went, that's it, it's got to stop. and that was the start of my recovery. to the point where eventually i was able to hold my head up high and say yeah, i did have a cocaine problem and i am a recovering addict and i will do my best to educate people and warn them of the dangers. i am very aware, you know, that drug cartels, black markets and child exploitation and all sorts of things go on to produce this drug. so yes, to the people who are recreationally using, then yes perhaps a bit of education around where this stuff actually comes from might make them think twice.
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for your real drug addict, it's not going to make the slightest bit of difference. i don't agree with these different labels of class of people. there's some really vulnerable, weak people out there and it doesn't matter what class you are, where you come from. everyone is hopefully trying to achieve the same thing and you know, look after their family the best they can and some of us just get caught up in addiction. if you have been affected by any of the issues in that report and would like some advice, do visit the bbc‘s actionline website. more must be done in certain communities to support survivors of child sexual abuse, that's according to a report published this week by a group of mps, who say some survivors are made to feel invisible because of a lack of help. the report says it is particularly evident amongst black
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men who have survived abuse and don't choose to speak out. sometimes because of stigma, sometimes because of a lack of trust in the police. the bbc‘s lgbt correspondence ben hunt, who is a survivor himself, went to meet others. it ruins your life. if i wasn't abused, what would i be today? black men, it's the culture. we don't think about getting that person arrested. it's the background that we come from. i've been there too. i was sexually abused as a teenager by someone older that i trusted. when i looked for help, i couldn't find any. i even tried to find something to show that i wasn't the only black man out there who had been abused as a young person. i found nothing. my experiences made me want to find out what is holding back male victims of sexual abuse, from speaking out. over the past few months i've spoken to several black men who have also struggled with childhood sexual abuse. most of them have stayed totally silent until now. i think it messed me up, you know.
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it messed me up. people like chris, whose name we've changed. it's like a scar that's there you can't get rid of. chris was just 11 when he was groomed by a 19—year—old prefect at his school. we had to walk past these bushes. it was dark. nobody could see us. we went in there, he said... ..hold on. oh, god, sorry. sorry. that's ok, take your time. right... ..he asked me to take my pants off and i had no control. i took my pants off and then he raped me. you know? it was quite painful to be honest.
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i became that withdrawn after that and then i was sick for a while as well. i think it was depression at the time, but when you are a kid, you don't know these things. i'm 11, you know. i became withdrawn, completely. ijust changed and it shaped my personality today. so when this happened in school, did you speak to your teachers or yourfamily? no, i didn't speak to anybody, how can you? i'm a grown man now, but it doesn't go away. i didn't address it. see that's the thing, i didn't address it and because i didn't address it, it didn't go away. after having a breakdown at university, i was made to see a therapist. it really helped discussing what had happened to me and it helped me move on in life. but like chris, most black men don't ever speak up. nationally, black men are 17 times more likely to be diagnosed
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with a serious mental health illness than white men. for many black men, that's because their first experience of talking about their mental health and how they are feeling comes at a crisis point. this is one of the therapy rooms that we use. something that willis, a trauma therapist, knows all about. there is a large number of men who will access or begin to speak about their abuse whilst in the criminaljustice system. because they've reached a point where it's almost as if they are at that broken point and there's nothing else to lose. the impact on black men holding onto their stories and not speaking out is one of explosion or implosion. so for me, the explosion is this out bursting and outpouring of emotion and pain, in a way that can't be met because it'sjust an explosive experience. the implosion is that sense of depression. i'm holding a parliamentary report into childhood sexual abuse that's just been released.
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but even in this chunky document, someone like me — a black, gay man — is still hidden. right at the end of it it says the black and lgbt survivors‘ experiences have not been included because of a lack of information. it calls on the government to do more research. so what is the solution? meet these three black men living very different lives but all experiencing the same struggles because of the sexual abuse they faced as children. they are all determined to speak up to help the next generation of black men. if i wasn't abused, what would i be today? stefan runs a charity aimed at young people, encouraging them to give up gang violence, something he struggled to do. it ruins your life going in gangs and being powerful and strong and fighting the world, no matter who it is. then at night going home and crying to yourself, over the demons you are dealing with yourself. until you deal with those demons yourself, you are never going to be the person you want to be, or the person you are supposed
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to be because of the abuse that you've had. oh my gosh, i was involved in as many things as i possibly could be. i was living this life. what kind of things? anything from just wrongdoing, to more wrongdoing. while stefan and solse were in trouble with the law, they've now turned their lives around. solse says the community needs to speak up. we are used to come from a culture where you shut up and put up. whatever you talk about, it keeps within the family. to all of those values, you don't talk about your situation. i grew up in a culture where what is kept is said between the family, if it even gets said. but going to therapy, speaking to anyone outside, none of that. kevin, why haven't you gone to the police in recent years?
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i think as black men, we don't think about getting that person arrested. kevin has written a book based on abuse. what about charities and therapy? i don't think there is a charity that really, supports black men, black or asian men when it comes to sexual abuse. i think the problem is, we don't come forward. because we don't come forward, there's not a problem. if i had seen a documentary or imagery of sexual abuse growing up that had black men who had spoken up, i probably would have done. it wouldn't have taken me 30 years to come forward and say, i've been sexually abuse. because black men don't come forward, it's as if they don't exist. sitting down with those guys and talking about our lives has made me realise how hidden we are. they are visibly not seen, if that
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makes sense and that is really difficult. we can put a telephone number out there but we have to ask ourselves who are the people represented and what are the voices and the images represented that go with those phone numbers. a large number of them will be white, european men and the voices will be of white, european men. for people to access services there needs to be a service that mirrors them, that is representative of who they are. if black male relationships with the police are not mended and its ,—— ifservices do not start targeting them, many more generations of black men can stay suffering in silence. i don't know where to go. if i had a black gp or a black therapist, i could easily relate to them. it is easy to relate to someone who gets you. it would make a huge difference. the stage has not been set for me to come out and have this conversation freely.
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nobody knows how many black men out there have been sexually abused as young people. but what we do know is the lifelong effects of the abuse for black men who don't get the help they need. if you would like some help or information, do visit the bbc actionline website. that's it for this week, you can contact us with your stories. you can see more of our programme online. we are back on monday at 10am on the bbc news channel and online. thanks for watching. hello again, i think the cool and wet weather we have had the last week will be fading. if you needed a
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reminder of how it went last week was, nearly a month's rain across parts of eastern england and welcome rental in east anglia, where we have had an extended period of dry weather. and dry weather is here to stay for the next few days. you can see the extent of the sunshine we have seen today on a satellite picture. the cloud in northern ireland has been thin with cloud coming through that as well. —— sun coming through that as well. —— sun coming to that as well. glorious pictures from our weather watchers. now, overnight night to thicken for a time in northern scotland, jetting a time in northern scotland, jetting a little bit of rain across the northern isles by the end of the night, but that claudia is on in the far north of scotland not as cold as a researcher. 0therwise far north of scotland not as cold as a researcher. otherwise it is chillier. looking at the weather picture of the next few days, well, it is going to be sunny and it is going to be feeling warmer. but temperatures on the rise. the reason
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is high pressure is building across the british isles. the high pressure reaching its maximum intensity on monday. and once it has built in, it is going over to fast. money, a lot of dry weather to come. sunshine from dawn to dusk for many of us. —— monday. that will keep some of the eastern coast a bit fresher, but there were the suggest it is going to feel pleasantly warm. high—temperature is to feel pleasantly warm. high—temperatu re is wafting to feel pleasantly warm. high—temperature is wafting up to the north end of the country. a big jump the north end of the country. a big jump in temperatures in scotland, protect eastern scotland where it will feel warmer on monday. more of the sunshine on tuesday from dawn to dusk. this impetus will be a little bit higher, 18 in london. 19 per card. tim just getting into the low 20s in scotland to 19 per county. it is wednesday that we are likely to day of the week. tebbit is highest in scotland, up to 23 or 2a celsius.
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it caused of england and east anglia, cooling down a little bit with onshore wind and still fine and sunny and feeling pleasant in the sun.
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