hello. it's monday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. game of phones — a big blow for huawei mobile phone users, as google cuts the chinese tech company off from some of its services. if you own a huawei smartphone, we'll tell you what today's news means for you. i would be hesitant to buy a huawei phone in the future because i wouldn't be able to access the most updated version of google, and i use google every day. too many children with learning difficulties and autism are being admitted to mental health hospitals, even though neither is a mental health condition — according to a new report by the children's commissioner for england. after politicians start looking into reality tv, more stories emerge from those who've taken part. i felt under pressure the minute

i walked in that you had to hook up with someone. i had a producer say, "lots of shagging tonight, please, girls,". and that's when i thought i need to leave now. why would you be telling me to do that? is this a porn set? itjust made me feel really cheap. it comes after itv‘sjeremy kyle show was axed last week, following the death of one of its guests. we'll also talk to this woman, charlotte rose, who says she was lured onto the show without being told it was thejeremy kyle show, and claims she was locked in a dressing room before being introduced as a sex worker who slept with over 20,000 men in her marital home under the same roof as her daughter. and after her out of tune performance at the eurovision song contest at the weekent, some say madonna should call it a day. # i hear you call my name

# i hear you call my name # and it feels like home. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11:00am this morning. if you've got a huawei phone, you might have a question about what today's news means to you — send it to us now victoria@bbc.co.uk and we'll put it to the experts in a moment. first, carrie gracie has that top story and the rest of today's news. google has barred the world's second—biggest smartphone maker huawei from some of its services. the us has barred huawei overfears

it could be used to spy on some of its networks. huawei insists it is not a security threat. an increasing number of vulnerable children with learning disabilities and autism are being held in hospitals when they don't need to be there according to a new report. the children's commissionerfor a new report. the children's commissioner for england, anne longfield, says children are being restrained, sedated and kept long distances from home. she wants a national strategy to tackle what she calls an unacceptable situation. the bbc has been told thousands of teenagers in care are being dumped in unregulated homes and abandons to organised crime gangs. concerns have been raised by police forces and newsnight has found the number of looked after children aged 16 and over living in unregistered accommodation in england has increased 70% in a decade. the leader of the royal college of nursing is preparing to call for safe staffing levels to be enshrined in law in england as they are in

scotla nd in law in england as they are in scotland and wales. there are currently around 40,000 vacant nhs nursing posts in england. the government says it is committed to increasing the number of nurses in training by 25%. rail passengers on some of the busiest routes in the country face fresh delays this morning because of a track defect. south—western services to and from london waterloo were hit by the latest problem. new railway timetables were introduced yesterday and southwest rail has promised new services. a powerfailure which affected the fuel supply at manchester airport caused dozens of flights to be cancelled. problems began on sunday afternoon and were not resolved until 3am this morning. 87 flights were cancelled and others faced long delays. a spokesperson said most scheduled flights would operate as planned today. after eight seasons, one of the most talked about tv shows has come to an end. game of thrones fans complained about plot lines in recent instalments but that is not likely

to stop it from being a ratings juggernaut. viewing parties were held around the world as millions of fa ns held around the world as millions of fans flocked to watch the 80 minute finale. that's our summary. back to victoria. if you've got a huawei phone you could soon be blocked from getting automatic google updates. and if you buy a new one, you might not get access to some google apps — like maps and youtube. it's after us president donald trump added huawei to a list of companies that american firms can't do business with, unless they have a licence. let's talk to kate bevan, who is the editor of computing at which? magazine, and emily taylor who is a cyber policy expert at the international affairs think tank, chatham house. good morning to you both. kate first, what does this mean if you

have one of these phones? at the moment we are not sure. it means in future it looks as though you will not get any updates to android, any security updates or updates to google apps and services, things like youtube, maps and gmail. we don't know when it happen will at the moment, but it could be immediately. it's up in the air. the bottom line, when google comes to update its system, you might not benefit if you have a huawei phone as much as in the past. and you might not have security patches, which is a real concern. because google owns android, so when it produces a smarter and faster version, google will not update it for you. bits of android will be updated, because it is open sourced in those areas, but so much of it is tied up with google at the moment. it's very difficult to use android without all the google services. emily, is this because of security

fears or trade war? probably a mixture of both. 0r fears or trade war? probably a mixture of both. or perhaps security fears providing cover for the trade war. the us has announced sanctions, sorry, has announced tariffs on chinese products. there is that going back and forth. there has been a lot of action in the 5g going back and forth. there has been a lot of action in the 56 space, the new generation of superfast broadband, as states are making their decisions about infrastructure development. this is really the first development that will hit consumers directly. as kate says, it's not really clear yet how it will effect them, or how quickly. google announced overnight that security patches will work on existing phones, so there is a little bit of reassurance therefore now. if you have a huawei phone right now then you will be able to

use it to download app updates provided by google. for now. we have some questions from the audience. connor sent a tweet. is there any way we can get a refund if we have a huawei phone on contract, because fewer services surely means we should be entitled to something back? we will be looking at this with which? today with our consumer rights team. at the moment we think not because it is not a fault when it was sold to you. linda has sent us it was sold to you. linda has sent usa it was sold to you. linda has sent us a text. you might not know the a nswer us a text. you might not know the answer but these are the kinds of questions consumers are asking. will we still be able to use google family link? i don't know is the answer. again, it's a google service, so they could in theory pull back today. sit tight and see what they say, i'm afraid. carol on facebook. will old phones and is not new ones still get all the google

services? for now they will be working, but don't count on getting updates to them. chris tweets, a reminder to viewers that huawei has been planning an alternative operating system for its phones for some time in case this happened. the next phone will probably run that but current phones are the immediate issue. is that true? they have got the money and innovation and creative skills to develop their own operating system. very much so. they already build their own processors so they are not tied to another firm to buy processes from. they already have a plan b in process. they already have their own app store and photo galleries and tape programmes and things like that. i suspect going down the track huawei will be able to sidestep android, but the problem is, android is such a huge operating system, it's pretty much 50-50 operating system, it's pretty much 50—50 between android and i0s.

operating system, it's pretty much 50—50 between android and iosi wonder how much what has happened todayis wonder how much what has happened today is a risk to the future of the co re today is a risk to the future of the core business of huawei. today is a risk to the future of the core business of huaweilj today is a risk to the future of the core business of huawei. i don't know, and it will be interesting to see whether it's huawei or american firms that end up most harmed by this step. often when you make policy interventions like the trump executive order, it has the exact opposite effect of what you want. so people paid to buy a handset, but there are in theory lots of software providers out there. as you have said, huawei is working on its own operating system. if you've got something that will deliver you maps and e—mail or video watching, will you really care, when you are not actually paying for those services at the moment? it might be that paradoxically google ends up more harmed because huawei is absolutely hugein harmed because huawei is absolutely huge in developing countries and with young users. it's the second

biggest mobile handset provider in the world, shifting 200 million units last year. what would you say to those people who are worried about any links between huawei and the chinese government? is the firm passing data to the chinese government in your view? its really open to question. critics have been citing these worries for more than a decade. one thing i would say is that huawei is deeply embedded in our telecommunications infrastructure here in the uk. what has evolved as a risk management approach. so there is an operation called the cell in banbury where huawei employees work alongside our intelligence services to take the kit apart and look for bugs in the software and make sure it's not doing anything extra that people are not expecting. the last annual

report was very critical about the standard of huawei's cyber security software but it went out of its way to say it did not find any links between huawei and the chinese government. that's not to say those links don't exist, but we don't have the evidence at this time. you say it has been involved in our telecoms infrastructure for some time. how long, i'm sure some people don't realise that. since about 2003, 2004. bt made a contract with huawei soa 2004. bt made a contract with huawei so a lot of our existing telecommunications infrastructure is huawei and a lot of the 4g infrastructure is huawei. this is why the 5g debate in this country is a bit more complex than it might be for the united states for example. 0ne for the united states for example. one final question for kate. steve has texted, and it's the kind of question what people might ask. i have recently bought a huawei on a

monthly contract in light of the nuisance top do you think i might be able to swap to a samsung ee? nuisance top do you think i might be able to swap to a samsung 5mm depends how generous your contractor is feeling today. you will have to see what your provider says. at the moment the phones are not broken, so we don't think there is any particular reason to return them, but that might change during today. thank you to you both for coming on the programme. encouraged to have sex on camera. feeling pressure to film shortly after the death of a loved one. these are just some of the stories we have been told about, involving young reality tv stars working on shows aired on mtv. we've repeatedly contacted mtv for a statement or interview — but have so far not received a response. this comes five days after itv cancelled thejeremy kyle show following the death of one of its contributors. itv also says it is reviewing the support offered to this year's love island contestants after two of its contestants died. while those two shows have been

criticised for their psychological support and aftercare, this programme has been told there are concerns this issue may go much further across the industry. here's our reporter anna collinson. eight unsuspecting singles. .. reality tv has never been more popular. for many, who needs a soap when you can watch real life drama? how dare you! are you ok? no, i'm not! you might be stranded on a beach with your ex or sent to cardiff from the valleys. but have things gone too far? last year, love island contestant sophie gradon took her own life. then, in march, fellow contestant mike thalassitis was found dead in a park. his inquest is due injune. and just last week, thejeremy kyle show was cancelled after one of its guests died shortly after filming. mps have now launched an enquiry into reality tv. successful reality stars get free clothes, get to travel the world and are paid millionsjust for being themselves. so it's no wonder so many people,

particularly young people, are attracted to the idea. we've been told by those in the industry that the quality of psychological support and after—care can vary greatly. in some cases it's said to be nothing more than a box ticking exercise. a quick phone call and that's it. casey. come on then. my name isjess impiazzi. you may have seen me on shows like ex on the beach and celebrity big brother. casey, come, come. come on then. jess always wanted to act. she even went to a prestigious drama school, but, at 17, her mum went blind and jess gave up her acting dream to become her carer. no, no, you listen. a few years later, jess was offered the opportunity to appear on reality tv.

she thought this was her chance. it's back! ex on the beach and we've done it again. things you say you wouldn't do. i would never in my life back then even thought i would go that crazy on tv or, you know, have sex on tv. and, you know, six sambucas in at the end of a night, your boyfriend's there, you're outside. there's cameras everywhere. you just don't think. i did beg them. i was like, "please don't show that" but you've signed your life away when you go onto them. i didn't like what i was seeing on the tv. it's not my cup of tea really. i can't imagine its many parents' dreams for them to go on reality tv shows where people are having sex and drinking and all that type of stuff. you just don't want to see that. you didn't bring your child up like that and you don't want to see that. ex on the beach made jess a celebrity and led to many job opportunities.

series two i felt was very organic, so i did have a good time. the producers weren't putting any pressure on me. i had a good relationship with them. series five, on the other hand, was the opposite of that. i felt under pressure the minute i walked in that you had to hook up with someone. i had a producer saying, "lots of shagging tonight, please, girls." that's when i thought i need to leave now. why would you be telling me to do that? is this a porn set? itjust made me feel really cheap. these were all random guys the second time i went on. it was just random people, really. someone i had just met that day. it might have just been a throwaway comment but still i think that's where i say about the responsibility of producers, that's where that needs to come in. you've been quite critical of some of the producers that you've worked with. i suppose some would argue that you're paid a fee, that you know what this show is about. what would you say to that? we know what the show‘s about, but i've never said to them, "oh, yes, i'm going to come on your show and behave in that way." i go on because they liked me

as a person, you know. another member of the cast has told us she too was disgusted by the producers' comments about sex. jess, meanwhile, left the show. she says she had seen a psychologist before going onto it, but never received any after—care. a year after he appeared on love island, mike thalassitis took part in the tenth series of ex on the beach in 2018. shortly after his death, it was announced his series would not be broadcast. jess appreciates the challenges reality tv producers face when it comes to caring for contributors. you can't control what people are saying on social media. you can't watch someone for the rest of their lives, so it's such a hard, sensitive subject. in a statement, whizz kid entertainment said: "contributor care is very important to us. before production we ensure a support structure is in place and all cast members are carefully interviewed and screened before going on camera. contributors are made fully aware

of the nature of the programme before filming and we clearly highlight the impact of an increased public profile resulting from appearing in the show. strict protocols around sex are in place to protect our cast. jess was a standout and well liked cast member of series two, which was why she was asked to return for a subsequent series, which she was happy to do. we regularly review our contributor care protocols to ensure we are providing the best level of care possible. hey, i'm farah and i was an original cast member of ex on the beach series one. farah was scouted in a nightclub. two weeks later, she was filming in mexico. great cast members. great experience. you know, going away, going abroad, i love to travel. you come out, your social media following skyrockets and that automatically enables you to collaborate with different brands. you get all sorts of opportunities coming your way. you also have to take into account trolls on social media. they see you on air for an hour once a week, i think

it was for two or three months. they almost feel like they know who you are. what about pressure to have sex, for example? i didn't have pressure to have sex from the producers or anyone from the show. definitely a mixed experience. more positives than negatives. 0verall, would i do it again? yeah, i would. farah would like to do a love—based reality show next. she hopes lessons can be learned from what's happened to the contestants on love island and thejeremy kyle show. i don't think anyone wants these shows to be axed. you know, they've been on for however long, they‘ re successful. butjust make sure the care is there. yeah, it's fine. speaks welsh. hello, my name is carly and you might know me from the valleys. series one, i loved it. it was a crazy experience

being stuck in a house for six weeks with no tv, no phone with a bunch of people you've never met. i want to be as rich and as famous as i can possibly be. you can take the kids out of the valleys, but you will never take the valleys out of the kids. eight people from the valleys living together is going to be mental. they wear more make—up than clothes. was there ever any pressure on you to have sex or anything like that? there was never any pressure to ever have sex or anything. there was never pressure to drink. during filming of series two, carly‘s mum was extremely ill. she had cancer and was deteriorating fast. my mum passed away the day that the second episode aired in the second series. she passed away at home peacefully with all the family. she was, you know, my best friend. she was my mum and my dad for the majority of my life.

looking back to the darkest period of her life, carly believes she wasn't strong enough to work yet she says she did filming a day after her mum's death. money was a concern and she didn't want to let people down. they were on schedule to get it finished and obviously if that hadn't have been aired i would have felt like i would have been letting all the cast down, as well. so i did feel under pressure to get it done. just thinking about it now at the age of 28, i didn't really feel in control then. i told a tv psychologist about what happened with you and your mum and she said that she couldn't comment on an individual case, but she said in a situation like that she would want an independent psychologist to have a private chat with the person before continuing with filming. did that happen with you? not at all. no. and i think that they should have made me go through, whether it was counselling or psychiatrists, because i definitely needed it and although i may not have recognised it at the time, i feel like they should have recognised it. it does make me feel emotional so...

such a difficult time and i was only 22, so i think they should have looked after me and they didn't, so... i definitely should have seen a counsellor. i should have had help. i was so young. true north, the production company for the valleys says it has a long—term relationship with carly, including working on current projects with her. a few weeks ago, when her dad died, the producers sent her flowers. true north says it takes its duty of care responsibilities extremely seriously and is confident that the team did not put carley that the team did not put carly under any pressure to film. the company says carly was offered friendship and support around the time she lost her mum and the schedule was adapted around her needs. after three years and three series of the valleys, carly got a phone call saying it was all over.

she says she never received any after—care and one of her cast mates struggled to get a job for years. there'll be people who will be watching who will literally have no sympathy for reality tv stars. what would you say to them? just that, you know, i understand that when you sign up to a programme like the valleys you put yourself out there, but, given the recent losses with mike and sophie, i think that something really has to change because reality tv is not going anywhere and so, if it's not going anywhere, then something has to be put in place. there should be rules. true north says it's constantly reviewing its duty of care practices and will continue to do so after hearing about carly‘s concerns. to discuss some of the issues raised in anna's film, charlotte rose, who was a guest onjeremy kyle in 2017, although she says she was never actually told she was appearing

on thejeremy kyle show in the run up to it. connor hunter struggled after appearing on a reality tv show. we're also speaking to honey langcaster—james, a psychologist who works with reality tv shows. and the labour mp clive efford who is on the digital culture media and sport committee conducting a review of the industry. thank you for coming on the programme. charlotte, you were on thejeremy programme. charlotte, you were on the jeremy kyle programme. charlotte, you were on thejeremy kyle show in 2017 but you didn't know you were appearing on that show. how is that possible? as a sex worker i am already marginalised, so having the opportunity to talk about the stigmas sex workers face i jumped opportunity to talk about the stigmas sex workers face ijumped at the chance. we were told it was a one—off special, we were not told it was the jeremy one—off special, we were not told it was thejeremy kyle show, it would just be hosted by him. we were told me and my partner would be able to discuss about sex worker families and the industry and what affects us. i thought it would be a sex —positive show. us. i thought it would be a sex -positive show. this is a facebook

message from somebody working on the programme. we are currently casting for a new show surrounding the workers in the sex industry, ie webcams and escorts etc. it is due to be filmed on friday, not live, and we have women coming down to talk about the industry, to steer away from the stigma attached. if this is something you are interested iniam this is something you are interested in i am happy to explain over the phone as it is easier. you agree to go on the programme and when you got there you say you were effectively locked in a dressing room.|j there you say you were effectively locked in a dressing room. i knew five of us. i knew two other couples, and we were then separated into our own rooms, four rooms, and all the doors were locked on the outside, our phones were taken away and we were sat waiting. waiting for us and we were sat waiting. waiting for us to have our say, i guess, on the set with jeremy. at what point did you realise this was in fact the jeremy kyle show? when i walked out and there was an audience there and

and there was an audience there and a great big board with thejeremy kyle show at the back. are you joking?! nobody who worked on the production, you had not twigged, you had not been told and you were not suspicious? we kind of had suspicions when our friends who went on the sofa first walked out and said, don't do this. we were like, don't do what? but so many people jumped on us, like a distraction technique, to stop us from listening to what was actually happening. how we re to what was actually happening. how were you introduced? a sex worker who had slept with 20,000 men in my marital home under the same roof as my daughter. she was 16 at the time. i thought it was absolutely hideous. the great thing is, my partner said, that's not true. jeremy replied and said, we can edit that bit. after the programme was recorded you complain. what was the basis of your complaint? it was a lie. we were brought there under false pretenses

to do brought there under false pretenses todoa brought there under false pretenses to do a sex —positive show, to remove the stigma around sex work and it wasn't that. it was the jeremy kyle show, readily made and available for us to be dehumanised in front of an audience. how did the audience respond? a friend of mine was sat in the audience and was told by producers, this is the couple we wa nt by producers, this is the couple we want and you can heckle them as loud as you want. they were not nice. they dehumanised me saying what i did was wrong, i'm not a good role model for my daughter, and they dehumanised by partner by saying, how can you be with someone who does such a dirtyjob stop what you across about being brought there underfalse across about being brought there under false pretenses. you across about being brought there underfalse pretenses. you made the complaint and they never showed the show in the end. you have to think of all the people who go there under false pretenses, i don't know, but they were not as lucky as we were in having the show pulled. we asked itv for a statement about what you say happened to you. we put your specific point to them and they told us specific point to them and they told us they didn't have enough time to

respond to your specific claims before our programme today and instead they pointed us to the statement they made when they announce the cancellation of the jeremy kyle show last week, given the gravity of recent events we have ended the production of the show. it has had a loyal audience and is made made by a dedicated production team for 14 years but is the time for the show to end. connor, thank you for coming on the programme to stop you turned 18 when you appeared on ex 0n the beach. was that too young in hindsight? it's kind of yes and no. i was young, yes. but before i was on that show i did fitness modelling and things like that. i was very young to be doing that as well. in my mind! young to be doing that as well. in my mind i was kind of all right with it. we had a psychologist test and things like that before we started filming. it was fine, because you are ina filming. it was fine, because you are in a good place. you are excited, you have a chance of a lifetime. you are excited and you

get told that it will be a great time. don't get me wrong, i had an amazing time and it was brilliant. but there is a big but coming. when we finished filming, life does change. it's different for everybody over periods of time. it doesn't last forever. that's a message that needs to be put out there. it doesn't last forever. people think you do run reality show and you're set for life. what was the come down like for you? it was really hard. it started under false promises like for you? it was really hard. it started underfalse promises for myself, which then made me a bit depressed and i used to question myself. that was the worst part. i thought, what's wrong with me. have i done something wrong, or am i not doing something? because of the attention and fame? the attention was going down a bit. in my head, i was going down a bit. in my head, i was used to it and then it was going down. i was thinking, what's going on here.

cani can i ask the question. is it anything to do with the production company? even if it wasjust i was, just saying to yourself, with regard to after—care, there is no after—care. even so much as a phone call, six months down the line, a year down the line, you have been on, you have come off, you had the experience, just check up to see if you are ok because when you are in a depressed state or struggling with things, the last thing you want to do is go and tell people, talk about it and there is such a thing, reach out, talk, at that age, it's so hard when you're in that situation. would a phone call at six months or a year down the line make a difference when you are in and were in a clearly very dark place. i really struggled. i brought myself away from tv, away from everything, i wanted to be on my own at one point. so, i think, if

idid my own at one point. so, i think, if i did have a phone call, just a chat, you know, and somebody that knows about this stuff, they might have picked up, he's not in a great place, just ring them and have a conversation because i'm not saying, yes, i needed help, it was me, but to go and get that help is difficult so if! to go and get that help is difficult so if i feel like i've already got pulled in, you know, that would help. interesting, you keep looking at honey because she is an expert in this area but let me read a statement from the production company. continuing care is important to us. we ensure all cast members are carefully interviewed on screen before going on camera, contributors are made fully aware of the nature of the programme and we highlight the impact of an increased public profile resulting from appearing on the show. honey, let me bring you in, you work with various television programmes, your profession is a psychologist. can i

ask you how long should the after—ca re ask you how long should the after—care continue for somebody like connor who was on the programme. six, 12, 18 months? one of the difficulties is at this time we don't actually understand well enough the impact on the individual is of going on a high profile show, having that period of relative fame and success afterwards and then that period of where you go back into ordinary life. we need to understand this better, i've been calling for better academic research in this area if it's possible to inform our practice. one of the things i think we have to say to be fair to production companies, all the production companies, all the production companies, all the production companies i've worked with in 15, 16 production companies i've worked with in15, 16 year career in this area have shown me they really had good intentions towards participants. one of the problems is they don't always understand when they don't always understand when the risk points are then the difficult times are in, and i were talking just before and saying one of the things i hear time and again

is that actually, the process of going on the show is actually not usually that bad and many people say they really enjoy it. the period after the show is often quite enjoyable. the difficult time is often when period comes to an end and... often when period comes to an end and and so my question, how long should production company show after—ca re should production company show after—care for, what is reasonable? i think what we have to say as it has to be done on an individual basis. the way i work, we conduct an assessment at the beginning to look at what is this person likely to need but i also put in place a position with my clients who are the production companies, i say even a very long time down the line, that contributor can contact me directly or my team has that ever happened, how long after? yes. probably come off the top of my head, i think a couple of years after they've been on a show, they've contacted me and one of the things i think the tv production industry doesn't necessarily

understand is that for someone who's been ona understand is that for someone who's been on a show, they often see the producers are sold the cards to them potentially getting more tv coverage are getting on another show and so they don't want to let the production company know they are struggling for us when they come to me direct or my team, they will say, actually, i'm finding this hard, is there any way we can get help and support and that's when i go back to the production company and say, there is this participant, they are struggling and i recommend they need assistance. clive, as a politician, your committee is conducting an independent review of the duty of ca re independent review of the duty of care tv companies have two participants on reality tv shows what's it got to do with politicians? i think when you have so much public concern about the impact on the individuals who have been on these programmes i think people would expect politicians, parliament, to take a view on whether potential harms are being investigated by the production companies and that the proper processes are being put in place to

protect individuals. ijust think what we've heard in the clips earlier, what we've heard from people who've been on the programme is that after—care is not there. and if it is, as honey has pointed out in some cases, they are not aware of how to access it so i think there are some areas here that need to be investigated and i think our select committee report will assist in this. do you have a view on how long the after—care should go on for from a production company to an individual who has been on one of the shows? no i don't, but! individual who has been on one of the shows? no i don't, but i might after the inquiry. how to react to the fact that since 2005 as far as we know, one guest has died after appearing on the jeremy we know, one guest has died after appearing on thejeremy kyle show 14 yea rs, appearing on thejeremy kyle show 14 years, and according to his ex partner in the sunday mirror yesterday she said the note he left didn't mention anything to do with his appearance on the programme but obviously it's for the coroner to decide the reasons behind the death of the guest. and that show has been

cancelled as we all know and at the last few years two contestants on love island have taken their own life but that show hasn't been cancelled. i think when we look into theseissues cancelled. i think when we look into these issues we will look at a reality tv show and shows in general, notjust reality tv show and shows in general, not just the jeremy kyle show, we will be asking people about what protections they put in place for people and how they care for those people after those programmes. they can'tjust those people after those programmes. they can't just exploit them, toss them aside and forget about them.|j think they would deny that they do that. i tv say when it comes to love ireland or duty of care is continuous and ongoing, it's an ongoing process for each island, this follows three key stages, pre—filming, filming and after—care, we work with an independent gp and a psychological consultant to provide an assessment on the physical and mental health of each of the shortlisted cast members and their suitability for inclusion on the programme. what would you like to see, briefly, iask programme. what would you like to see, briefly, i ask all of you to come from the inquiry done by a

group of cross—party politicians?” think, for me, when we as a society normalise this type of behaviour to allow people to be ridiculed and humiliated on national television, asa humiliated on national television, as a subject of entertainment, there is something seriously wrong and i think if you can find out anybody who is watching can find out how to create some sort of follow up service, not just yearly create some sort of follow up service, notjust yearly but create some sort of follow up service, not just yearly but weakly after the show, monthly, service, not just yearly but weakly afterthe show, monthly, like service, not just yearly but weakly after the show, monthly, like graham was supposed to do onjeremy kyle, i think that something that we really, truly need, support. connor? for me, it's for anybody who are struggling with mental health, reach out, i know that's a hard thing to say and people are thinking, i cannot, but you can. on the other side, i'd like to see, there is after—care but it needs to be looked into and it needs to bea needs to be looked into and it needs to be a lot better, so follow for sure. i'd like to see a number of changes, the industry can be

improved, i'd like to see training put in place for producers to understand the differences in the ca re understand the differences in the care providers and the different services available. i'd also like to see a system put in place whereby after a show has finished, at the times when popularity is waning, that those contributors can go direct to the psychological care provider rather than have to go through the production company. will they have to pay for that get it for free? for that to be included, when i work with a show i say we include a standard a certain amount of after—care, if we need more beyond that then we have a conversation with the production company. but i welcome the review, i think it's important we look into the industry. the other thing i think is important is that we don't draw closer links for they are not there. we are living in a place in the time of a national health crisis in my opinion and suicide is now the biggest killer of young men under 45 sol think we need to be careful we know all about reality tv. the subject is complex and recover the issue

regularly on this programme. how long will your independent inquiry take, you reckon? i have no timetable so i'm not sure but i would hope to, i think, timetable so i'm not sure but i would hope to, ithink, we timetable so i'm not sure but i would hope to, i think, we hope to concluded before the summer, i think we need a quick response to this and so we will have to do the job properly. of course. thank you all for coming on. thank you. for your insight. the uk anti—doping agency is today calling for all staff in gyms to be given compulsory training on the dangers of performance enhancing drugs. they'd be taught how to spot the telltale signs that someone is taking anabolic steroids and ukad wants to see staff kicking anyone out who's using them. it's already illegal to distribute anabolic steroids, but ultimately, ukad wants it to be a criminal offence to even possess them for personal use — unless they've been prescribed. some gyms have already promised to get involved with ukad‘s programme, which is being unveiled today. latest government estimates suggest that

42,00016—24 year olds are taking anabolic steroids, compared with 37,000 ten years ago. we can hear from nicole sapstead, chief executive of uk anti—doping which is spearheading the education programme, dani halsall — a former 200m and 400m team gb runner and now personal trainer. and barry grinham. barry is a personal trainer who quit competitive weightlifting when he was urged to take ipeds — that's image and performance enhancing drugs. nicole first told me about the telltale signs of steroid abuse and the effects it can have. the adverse side effects can be physical as well as psychological. the most serious medical side effects being that you could suffer a heart attack, stroke, it affects your kidney and liver function. you could get blood clots. also, more physically, obvious, ouracne,

increased aggression, and if you are a man, unfortunately, the side could be erectile dysfunction, shrunken testicles, things like that. those side effects sound absolutely awful, why would anyone choose to take anabolic steroids then? absolutely, it's a paradox but the point about clea n it's a paradox but the point about clean sport week this week, the programme that uk anti—doping runs annually, is to provide the education to these individuals. people don't know what the side—effects are? people don't know what the side-effects are? exactly, they don't know, they don't have the information available to them and so we are working with the gym and fitness industry to educate those people out there that use those organisations, those gems, to better understand the perils of these things. let me bring in danny, a former team gb runner, now a personal trainer and had been for a number of years. can you tell for an hm user is taking anabolic steroids

and if so, how? i believe you can because basically, from the environment that i've been in, i generally know what an individual will look like from a competitive side to a gym go outside because of the amount of training that's involved. so i find when a gym goer changes in physique quite rapidly, it raises my suspicions. from what to what, for two people who use the steroids look like in the environment of a gym? very lean physique, quite a dramatic change in a short period of time. low body fat. very significant increase in muscle mass. and why is this a problem, what are the issues with taking anabolic steroids, which are not illegal when it comes to possession for personal use? the risks are obviouslyjust been listed, which is the risk to kidney

and liver failure, the heart attacks, strokes, possible blood clots but that's not my only concern, the fat burners that are also being used especially around the female community. and there's definitely an increase in this in both female and mails as i can currently witness, especially in commercial gyms. what do you mean? i feel like because of the pressure of social media and other things around us social media and other things around us at the moment, there is definitely an increase of people wanting to maybe enhance their performance using these drugs and making themselves look a certain way. i see. let making themselves look a certain way. isee. let me making themselves look a certain way. i see. let me bring in barry. explain to the audience what you gave up competitive weightlifting.” was gave up competitive weightlifting.” was ina gave up competitive weightlifting.” was in a gym lifting quite competitively and i got to the stage where one of the coaches i was working with, i can remember his words to this very day and he said unless you get on the gear you want progress to get to the british team for winning the british

championships. what did you take that to mean? sorry? what did you ta ke that to mean? sorry? what did you take that to mean? to start taking steroids which obviously i did not wa nt steroids which obviously i did not want to do and the option was to continue with my education which i did and thankfully i am still very clean and very healthy and still coaching many decades on. and you had friends, i think, fellow lifters, who have ended up dead?” agree with everything, 100%, what nicole says, i know lifters who had strokes, who have become infertile, i know lifters who have got partial disability from taking steroids and yes, some have even made a concoction of steroids and other drugs to try and increase the performance and are now no longer with us, sadly, and very nice guys at that, as well. i want to ask all of you, nickel, you have this education programme this week targeted at gym users and others but what do you want to see happen in

terms of the law, would you like to see possession for personal use made illegal? i think first and foremost, yes, that would be the ultimate aspiration, to seek these substances only be available on prescription and ifan only be available on prescription and if an individual, for example, happens to buy a degree of quantity of these substances on the internet, because they are freely available, thenif because they are freely available, then if they were seas or stopped by borders, you would have to demonstrate you have a reason to have those, in other words, to have a prescription. danny, what would you like to see change?” a prescription. danny, what would you like to see change? i feel my knowledge of drug taking is from my athletics days and i would, i feel thatis athletics days and i would, i feel that is how my knowledge has been improved and made aware and i've been made aware that this goes on so i would absolutely love it if as uk anti—doping would take a big part in

this, the gym environment and help educate gym goers as well as management and personal trainers, make us all work together as a team so we can direct these people to how the risks involved with the sort of activity. too many children with learning disabilities and autism in england end up detained in mental health hospitals they don't need to be in according to a report from the children's commissioner for england. learning disabilties and autism are not mental health conditions. anne longfield says there were 250 children identified as having a learning disability or autism in mental health hospitals in england in february 2019, compared with 110 in march 2015, despite a government commitment to reduce the figure. the report also says roughly one in seven of these children are in hospital for more than a year. the children are often being forced to stay hours away from theirfamilies, with 25 in units more than 60 miles away.

last month we spoke to the parents of children who'd been kept in secure units for many years, when they're only meant to be there for up to 18 months. one of those children was jade hutchings — now 27 years old. she's been in secure units from the age of 14 when she began self—harming. she was diagnosed with aspergers syndrome. her parents spoke to our reporter noel phillips. one of the hospitals that jade was in, she was actually locked in the room for nine weeks. it was so awful for her because there was nothing in the room apart from a telly on a high bracket on the wall. nothing for her to do. she wore rubber clothes. nothing on her bed, not even sheets. it was just awful. and we had to go there, and it was heartbreaking. lets talk to emily frith from the children's commissioners office. she wrote today's report. and jacqui shurlock from the charity the challenging behaviour foundation. welcome both of you and thank you

for coming on the programme. emily come might a child with learning difficulties are autism, neither of which are mental health conditions, end up in a mental health hospital? 0ften end up in a mental health hospital? often because it's there not getting the right support when they are at home with their parents, they get admitted to hospital because they are not getting support early enough, their behaviour can get worse, they may become a risk to themselves so they get admitted to hospital than they should have had the right support closer to home. what do you think about these numbers that you have collected together in this report? it's really, really concerning. we went to visit children in hospital and we spoke to families and we heard some heartbreaking stories about how traumatic it is for a child to be admitted to hospital at all and some of the experiences they have there and it's worrying that these numbers are going up and it's despite government promises, we see so many children in hospital unnecessarily. the government says it's made significant investment in community support to reduce the number of

people, not just about support to reduce the number of people, notjust about children, to reduce the number of people with learning difficulties and autism in mental health hospitals. let me bring injackie, mental health hospitals. let me bring in jackie, if mental health hospitals. let me bring injackie, ifi mental health hospitals. let me bring injackie, if i may. what do you think of the fact that there are children stuck in these facilities when it's not necessarily the right place and sometimes stuck in them for a long time? it's really shocking. it's not surprising to us at our foundation because we support many families in that situation. but eight years after the winterbourne view scandal when there was some commitment to bring people with learning disabilities and autism out of inpatient units, to see the numbers remain in exactly the same if not going up, in terms of children, is really distressing because behind each of those cases as you know, a real human story, a young person, one of the examples in the report was a young man who had dental problems, dental health problems, for a young person who can

speak, they may then start biting or banging their head, showing some kind of challenging behaviour purely because they've got an unmet health needs and those of the kind of examples which, rather than leading to good support in the community, are leading to people being taken away from their families. it just sounds like something from a different century. yes. the government has put in place a programme to address this but there was no target to particularly look at the needs of children so children, kind of, are an afterthought as part of the programme so we've had promise after promise but the rights support in the community isn't put in place in every area so these children are still at risk of going into hospital. give us some more examples from your report, emily. some of the things we found, one in ten of the children were over 100 kilometres away from their home, they were staying there for over a year. if

you think about it, that's months in a year of someone's childhood taken away from them so even if they are not experiencing particularly time in hospital it still taking away from education, their family, friends, often, they may make a friends, often, they may make a friend in hospital who is discharged, but some of them, it's even more serious, they are being restrained by staff, because maybe they are self harming or they are being held in a seclusion room on their own for hours or even days. so it's a really distressing story, some of the things we heard. jackie, apart from more support in the community what else needs to change? there needs to be a sustained investment because some of the good early intervention services we've seen are the victim of local authority cuts so you know, it costs £250,000 every year for one child to stay in an inpatient unit, actually, if you look at experts in the community and what they can do with

that in terms of transforming lives, the money isn't completely wrong place and that investment needs to involve training for staff so people know how to support people with learning disabilities and autism, how to support the reasons for challenging behaviour and how do you use positive behaviour support to meet needs of children so they don't end up in a crisis situation. and that crisis support can be close to home rather than far from home. and that needs across government, a strategy across health, education and social care to make that happen. thank you both. we'll see if anybody is listening. thank you for coming just to mention, we've had access to a secure unit for adults and children with learning disabilities and we will bring you the film later on this week. after madonna's out of tune perfomrance at the eurovision song contest, some are asking, is it time her to call it a day.

# life is a mystery. # everyone must stand alone. # i hear you call my name. # and it feels like... # ..home. # just like a prayer. # your voice can take me there. # just like a muse to me. # you are a mystery. #just like a dream. # just like a prayer, no choice, your voice can take me there.#

i adore madonna and a little bit of me died inside when i heard that. matt cain describes himself as a madonna supefan and is the author of "the madonna of bolton", a new book about a young man finding his identity through madonna's music. it could even be about you. it kind of is. and georgina hill—brown is a vocal coach. she calls herself the honest vocal coach. is it time for madonna to call it a day? no, remember that is it time for madonna to call it a day? no, rememberthat people is it time for madonna to call it a day? no, remember that people have been saying she was old and passed it from the beginning, she didn't have her first hit, it from the beginning, she didn't have herfirst hit, in 1983 until she was 25. if she was going for the x factor she would have been on the elders category and at every point in her career people have knocked. she was out of tune. it wasn't the best performance she's ever done. pa rt best performance she's ever done. part of that because she set the bar so high for herself, but you've got to remember with her she changed everything for what we expect from a modern day pop star, it's notjust about the vocals, pop stardom isn't

about the vocals, pop stardom isn't about virtuosity, it's about capturing the spirit of the time with her, it's about imagery, ideas, dance, it's about all these different things coming together and she still has that spirit. it was still there when she was on stage. georgina, could you have helped her sing more in tune? yes, i really think i could have done that. i don't know, i think nerves on the night definitely affected her voice but it also sounds like she's not regularly looking after her voice, her libretto was a slow, there wasn't a decent focal connection and it doesn't seem to me she was vocalising enough, she was concentrating more on the bits she wanted to put across and the whole package which i completely understand but she just neglected her voice a little bit. do you ee, her voice a little bit. do you agree, you were nodding. she neglecting her voice, apart from her image that is her reason to be. funny enough you say that about the vocals and i agree with what she

said but at the same time madonna is not just about the vocals and we said but at the same time madonna is notjust about the vocals and we say she's promoting the message more, she's promoting the message more, she kind of always has. right from the beginning she wanted to challenge societal expectations of how a woman should behave. when she was younger that is what she would do sexually, how she would express herself or behave herself, she challenged that. as an older woman, she is fighting against the expectation that she will fade away and be old and demure and hideaway and be old and demure and hideaway and she's fighting and fighting. she was dressed like a warrior when she was dressed like a warrior when she was on stage with the corset reminiscent of the jean—paul gaultier corset in blonde ambition tour, like armour and i love that strength about her and the fact she is still fighting over what she believes in. i think it's brilliant she's still there, that is what first inspired me, that's why when i was going through a challenging period in life i clung onto her as a spirit guide. i wanted to channel that strength and i know so many people who read my book who have come up to me and said, that's

exactly what i wanted from her, i was struggling, her mum had died, when she was five i knew she had a terrible divorce, i knew she was struggling but all you saw was this steely strength and determination and it's still going strong, she is rising above all the criticism she's got and is still on stage. there was a lot of it on social media. thank you very much, georgina, thank you and thanks for coming on the programme. thanks for your company. we are back tomorrow at 10am. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. good morning. it's a day of warm, sunny spells but we also have some lively showers in the forecast. the exception is northern scotland, we hang more calm throughout the day and we already are seeing some showers. some showers. some sunshine emerging elsewhere but through this

afternoon showers get going across northern ireland, eastern wales, down into southern england and stretching into north—east scotland. because the winds are light the showers will be slow moving, we could see torrential downpours with the risk of hail and thunder. many places avoiding them altogether, it will feel pleasant in the sunshine, highs of around 21 celsius down towards the far south and east. this evening, the showers tend to fade, we hang on to more cloud, outbreaks of showery rain across northern scotland, clear spells, some mist and fog possible, it will be a fairly mild night with low temperatures between six and 10 celsius. tuesday looks like being a very similar day, high pressure in charge, it will be a settled story, lots of warm sunshine on offer, light winds, but still the chance of some heavy showers.

you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's 11:00am and these are the main stories this morning: google blocks huawei from using some of its mobile services, in a major blow to the chinese telecoms firm. president trump warns iran it will be destroyed if a conflict breaks out between the two countries. the inquest into the london bridge attacks hears about ignacio echeverria, who died, fighting off the attackers with just a skateboard all this week bbc news is in middlesbrough — once called the worst place for a teenage girl to grow up, we meet the young women turning things around. i never thought that i'd be able to become a doctor, but ruby's has helped me to believe that i can do it if i put my mind to it and keep it going in school.