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reaching into the high teens and low 205. that is your latest forecast. hello, i'm ros atkins, this is 0ut5ide source. welcome to warsaw on a dank spring evening, we are here as part of a trip to a number of european capitals as we build up to the european parliamentary elections, which start on thursday. these elections reveal an awful lot about domestic policies and the member states of the eu but also about ambitions europeans have for the eu. we will talk about that across the hour and your questions are very welcome. we will also bring you the main stories from elsewhere in the world, we have to talk about huawei and google, a huge announcement today from google saying it is cutting ties with the well‘s second biggest smartphone maker. if you
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have a huawei phone, we will talk through what that is going to mean for you. and we are going to report from vienna because the political turmoil in austria is deepening. at the weekend, we had the vice chancellor walking out and no more of his colleagues have walked out as a complaint about how the chancellor sebastian kurz is dealing with the whole thing. let me start with three reasons why we should all pay close attention to these european parliamentary elections. first of all, they are essentially 28 domestic elections, they are going to give us a huge amount of information about the political situation across the eu, from how people feel about brexit, people in france and their assessment of emmanuel macron‘s
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response to the yellow vest protest and two in the italian assessment of matteo salvini as he tries to establish himself as their most powerful politician. it will also tell the polish plenty about how they feel about their government with parliamentary elections looming. the second reason we should ca re looming. the second reason we should care as it is the chance for europeans to say what kind of eu they want. do they want the macron vision of further integration between countries or did they prefer the view of the polish government, matteo salvini and others who say the eu should exist but as a collection of nation states and brussels should keep out of a whole range of national affairs. and then the third thing is equally important. this is about the legitimacy of the eu's institutions. this vote is a huge one but not many people take part in it. how much legitimacy with the european parliament have in the eyes of europeans? what connection do they make between what it decides in their lives question mark we will be watching turn out very closely. the statistics behind what is going to
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happen, well, they are enormous. the estimated electorate is 400 million, that makes this the second biggest democratic exercise in the world after the indian election, also happening at the moment. 28 countries will take part. we thought it would be 27 but of course, brexit hasn't happened sir theresa may had to reluctantly accept that the uk would take part after all. and the 28 countries will elect 751 members of the european parliament who will sit in brussels and in strasbourg and they will take their seats at the beginning ofjuly. so those are some thoughts on the scale of what is happening. here is the analysis of mike sanders from the bbc will world service on the big issues at state. climate change, for example, a lot of the far right parties are climate change deniers. one of them, the alternative for germany party, has actually started mocking greta thunberg, the swedish girl girl who has been
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mobilising students to take more action against climate change. that could change attitudes towards them. russia, some of the far right parties again, the populist parties, are much more tolerant towards russia and once sanctions the sanctions that were imposed towards russia and want sanctions eased, the sanctions that were imposed after russia annexed crimea in 2014. matteo salvini, for example, of italy, the leader of the league, he has actually worn a president putin t—shirt while addressing the european parliament. so that is a big change. iran, that is another question. german parties are very solidly behind the iran nuclear agreement but they will have to come to a new position on how to react to america's withdrawal from that agreement. china, another big bone of contention. there was a lot of discontent in france and germany when the european commission blocked a merger between alston and siemens, big railway engineering companies and those countries said, look, we really need a european champion against chinese competition.
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another thing that the european parliament might well want to have a say on. iam i am with you live from warsaw, and there aren't more many interesting political case studies in the eu than poland. it's the eighth biggest economy in the eu — and really, its economy is fundamental to understanding voters‘ attitudes. it has had significant growth, over 5% in 2018, far beyond the 2% of the eu as a whole and you have to bear in mind how deeply intertwined the eu is with poland‘s economy. it receives more money from the european union centralfund than any other member state, 8 billion euros every single year coming into the polish economy to support its development in a range of ways, and you can bear that statistic in mind when i also tell your recent polling suggests over 70% of polish people feel positive about the european union. figures are a lot lower in
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the uk, no surprise there, but it is also lower in germany and france as well. let‘s try and understand what is going on because, actually, the government, run by the law and justice party is seen as eurosceptic, it has had serious run—ins with the eu, so as we understand, the government keep clashing with brussels, the people support the government but also feel warmly towards the eu. it is complicated and here is the bbcmike adam easton, who is based in warsaw. now, there are three main issues in parliament ahead of these elections and the first one is actually poland‘s role in the eu. the government‘s been accused of politicising the judiciary and weakening the rule of law here, and it‘s been in dispute with brussels over this issue for almost four years. the opposition coalition says it‘s about time poland returned to the mainstream of european politics. the government says the eu needs reform and it should focus on free trade and the single market. the second issue is defending traditional values.
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the government here is worried that traditional christian values are under attack and it says polish children need protection from what it calls "the imported lgbt movement". now, its alliance with the catholic church is becoming somewhat problematic following the release of a powerful documentary about child sex abuse by priests, which has been watched more than 20 million times injust one week. it has made many people here very angry. and the third major theme here, it‘s not about europe, it‘s about domestic issues, such as the governmentvery popular such as the government‘s very popular programme of welfare benefits and tax cuts, which has raised many poles out of poverty and that actually may have the biggest impact on the way people vote. european scepticism takes lots of forms. in the uk, it means lots of people simply want the uk out of the
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european union, but the vast majority of sceptics elsewhere in the eu wants reform, they don‘t want to ta ke the eu wants reform, they don‘t want to take their countries out of the eu and so it is here with the law and justice party in poland and i have been speaking to one of its candidates in the european parliamentary elections about how he wa nts parliamentary elections about how he wants the eu to change. there are many european governments which support our position as far as their immigration is concerned and also the question of their independence. 0ne one of the interesting dynamics of brexit has been that a lot of the parties would prefer brexit doesn‘t happen are not coordinating in the european parliamentary campaigns. in poland, it is different, a lot of the opposition parties have come together and formed what they have called a european coalition and are working together to try and stop the government doing well. i have been speaking to one of their candidates. european college coalition will win, poland could restore its democracy
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and independence ofjudiciary system or law and justice will win and we will be drifting towards the east into sn autocratic the east into an autocratic way of governing our country. keeping me warm here are andrzej bobinski from a think tank and law and justice. we have government that seems quite popular and a population that seems quite keen on the eu. the eu as an economic zone can be quite popular but at the same time, the sovereignty issue continues to drive votes for the ruling law and justice party. the law and justice party will never say it is eurosceptic, they will say they are euro realist,
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so they will say they are euro realist, so it isa they will say they are euro realist, so it is a question of framing the discussion. they are against a federalist europe whereas they are very pro—european and very anti—polexit, which is one of the themes the opposition was trying to push forward and it hasn't happened, so push forward and it hasn't happened, so depends on how you look at it and how you define the european union. the first thing i noticed when i arrived here and started talking to people is the dominance of social issues within the political discourse to a degree that simply isn‘t happening in france or germany or the uk. no, this election is not about the economy, the european union or climate or migration, it is very much about polish identity and who they are, what their position in the world is, conservative catholic, rural or more forward looking and taking a central place in europe. as such, those issues don‘t particularly connect to the european union, do they? not really, no. i think something bizarre has happened with this campaign and it shifted
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about a month ago from a campaign that was more about economic issues, social spending, about giving extra money to pensioners, etc, etc and this was a narrative that was run by the law and justice party and about a month ago, suddenly we have found ourselves inside a worldview and a religious war to a degree and a discussion about where this country is heading and what polish identity is heading and what polish identity is about. so if you had asked me, i don't really know how this came about, but suddenly we found ourselves in the middle of this huge fight over who we are and where we are going. a big part of it is the documentary that came out last week, which is about paedophilia and child abuse in the catholic church and it really framed the discussion towards the ruling law and justice party and their affiliation with the church, how they have a voice protected... the party will condemn that, as eve ryo ne a cross the party will condemn that, as everyone across the political spectrum has. they can condemn it but they are so connected to the
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church. priests encourage people to vote for the law and justice party and the law and justice party in their three and a half years of rule has always protected the church. we have had people like angela merkel saying these elections are really about how europe responds to the threat or the challenge from china, the challenge from russia and actually the challenge from america and you are telling me that is not cutting through with most polish voters. not really, no. asi cutting through with most polish voters. not really, no. as i said, suddenly we are in this huge war about values and in this very big tension between the big cities and the smaller cities, about people who are looking towards europe and towards western civilisation, if there is such a thing i am sort of juxtaposing this against sort of this polish identity which, actually, i don't know if anybody understands any more but we are still fighting for it, so something
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has changed, something happened and it has all become about identity and it has all become about identity and it has all become about identity and it has all become identity politics and not really about socioeconomic issues, social in the sense of social spending. it is interesting that even russia, and russian influence is a big piece always in the polis discussion and they do not work with the savvy news and victor or bands of this well because they feel those parties are too close to putin but that has not played any role —— like victor 0rbans. putin but that has not played any role -- like victor orbans. you will stay with us for the air and if anyone watching has any questions, send them our way and we will do our best to help. we are going to switch across to the uk and update you on brexit. 0ne we are going to switch across to the uk and update you on brexit. one of the big stories of this european parliamentary campaign, the fact that it parliamentary campaign, the fact thatitis parliamentary campaign, the fact that it is happening, which is a story in itself, is that nigel farage and his brand—new brexit party polling very, very well indeed. some polls are putting it ahead of everyone else. he didn‘t have the greatest of days
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campaigning. look at this picture from newcastle a little bit earlier, where nigel farage was milkshakenos brumadinho three, and he was very —— milkshaked and he was very disappointed and that is one part of the brexit party and the issue of funding is another, because most fry said it doesn‘t have members, it has supporters and they can support different amounts of money from paypal and other ways and that has raised concerns for some. listen to the former prime minister gordon brown on this. the electoral commission and the european parliament should now investigate the finances of nigel farage and the brexit party. you know, democracy
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is undermined and he says the election is about democracy. democracy is undermined if we have undeclared, underreported, untraceable payments being made to the brexit party. unreported, untraceable payments being made to the brexit party. if we have the potential for underhand and under—the—counter payments being made. the brexit party chairman richard tice was asked whether his party took foreign payments. this is completely ridiculous. the reality is that we are the fastest growing political movement. we got over 100,000 supporters who paid at least £25. we've had two investigative journalists come look at it. the fact is people are just jealous of our success. do you take money in foreign currencies? look, we've got a paypal account for people who are paying less than £500. above that, obviously we apply the electoral commission rules. do you take donations in foreign currencies?
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as i understand, that's not illegal. the reality is of course we apply appropriate electoral commission law and the truth is hundreds of thousands of people are wanting to support us, they back what we are trying to do. that was nick robinson asking the questions on the today programme. so the big issue here is is the brexit party playing by the rules? i have been speaking to the bbc‘s rob watson. today‘s developments, i was reminded that a few years ago, i was travelling around with nigel farage and we were in nottingham and he got egged and wasn‘t very happy with that at all and we had to spend the entire day in the pub, which was quite an interesting experience. i guess we‘re going to find out very soon because britain‘s electoral commission is going to be looking into these allegations and it has to have previously been on or part of the leave campaign during the referendum, i mean they have fallen foul of the electoral commission in terms of declaration
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and sources of funding. and rob, it is interesting, we were in milan at the weekend, we are here in warsaw and people are clearly bemused that the uk is taking part in these elections, given that brexit was chosen almost three years ago. are there any possibilities that the british meps will actually take up their seats injuly? i think that is perfectly possible because if britain hasn‘t left the european union by then then that is precisely what will happen. i wanted to pick up on something you were talking about earlier, ros, about how in a lot of countries around the european union, people vote on domestic issues. what is really fascinating about what is happening here in the uk is that, for the first time, people are and i suppose to some extent it is a rerun of the referendum and what is proving really, really fascinating and is obviously deeply worrying for the main parties, for the labour party and the governing conservatives, is that people are polarising along
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whether you are for or anti—brexit, so parties which have a really clear stance on this, like the brexit party and those parties which are absolutely clearly anti—brexit, they are doing much better than labour and the conservatives. so mrs may, jeremy corbyn, they are petrified. so if the brexit party does do well in this election and if brexit hasn‘t happened by the beginning ofjuly, mr farage is going to have a choice as to what those brexit meps do in the european parliament. 0n those brexit meps do in the european parliament. on saturday, i was in milan for parliament. on saturday, i was in milanfora parliament. on saturday, i was in milan for a big rally organised by matteo salvini, he was joined by marine le pen, geert and otherfar right right nationalist parties. i managed to speak to him at the end of the rally and i wasn‘t expecting him to mention nigel farage.|j of the rally and i wasn‘t expecting him to mention nigel farage. i was speaking about nigel farage. what did you say about him?|j
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speaking about nigel farage. what did you say about him? i am waiting for him. would you like in your coalition? yes, the new european parliament. he wants to leave the european union, do you think it should? for the moment, he is in. we can work together. we can work together, i hope. on which issues, immigration, economy? both. we will have to see if mr farage is interested in working with matteo salvini but lets talk more broadly about how these parties interconnect, i am still here with andre and emilie van bobinski in the old town of warsaw. let‘s talk about the coalition that matteo salvini is interested in building, and my right in saying the ruling party here is not interested ? in saying the ruling party here is not interested? it is not, one of two reasons, as not interested? it is not, one of two reasons, as you not interested? it is not, one of two reasons, as you said a few moments ago, it is about being eurosceptical euro realist and these parties are openly eurosceptic whereas in poland, this would be a
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very difficult political platform to win votes on because of the fact that a vast majority of the voters are very pro—european, so that is one big problem, you are going to have these partners. there are two main reasons, one we mentioned is russia and the other is migration. salvini wants the burden of immigration to be shared across countries and the polish on the hungarians, which is why it is interesting what victor 0rban will do, are not willing to take immigrants coming into italy, greece or spain, so that is the other really big issue. in the conservatives, even when brexit finally happens, the group will be so small that they could still choose to work with salvini. poland is known for being firm on the issue of not wanting to share immigrants around the eu, but i understand many thousands of ukrainians to poland without any complications or objections. actually, it is
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millions. i think there are over a millions. i think there are over a million ukrainians working in poland. that is the official number, it is probably 2 million. poland needs a workforce and there is a lot of cheap labour coming in from the ukraine. the thing is that it is easier for polish society, as such, to integrate ukrainians because they are culturally very close and in a country which is still having issues with basically nationalism and a numberof with basically nationalism and a number of tendencies that are not very civilised, i would say, ukrainians are easier to digest for society as such. as in other countries in europe, part of the relu cta nce countries in europe, part of the reluctance to countries in europe, part of the relu cta nce to ta ke countries in europe, part of the reluctance to take immigrants is because they are muslims and that has also been the frame here in poland. we don‘t want these muslims, we don‘t want them touching our women, we don‘t want them changing our country. and ukrainian immigrants don‘t fundamentally, so far, change the country. although it
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is strange that no one talks about the ukrainian immigrants. kind of like in the uk nobody really talks about the number of immigrants until it got so big that it became part of the thing that led to brexit. both of you, thank you very much indeed. if you have questions, send them our can see all the details on screen as usual. we are talking about the european parliamentary elections, they start on thursday and end on sunday and we will have an elections special from brussels wants the polls are close. let‘s pause on the european election discussions for the moment and turn to what is probably the biggest story of the day, google‘s move on huawei, it says it is going to suspend business relations with huawei. it is a tight back italy chinese tech giant, the second largest mobile phone manufacturer in the world and the reason google has taken this decision on the face of it isa taken this decision on the face of it is a simple one. the americans have changed the rules, they put huawei onto a list of companies that
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american businesses can‘t do business with unless they have the permission and google doesn‘t have the necessary permission in place. a statement from google came out earlier saying it is complying with the order and reviewing the implications. let‘s first of all turn to shanghai, robin brant is there and he can take us through huawei‘s reaction. a brief statement from them in which they basically tell the bbc, look, huawei has played a very big role in constructing this android ecosystem and the development of google ‘5 operating system for smartphones, so it takes a lot of the credit for that and then it goes on to say this, huawei will continue to provide security updates and after sales to all existing huawei smartphone and tablet product users, covering devices sold or still in stock globally. so there is a pledge there to continue to offer updates, so to speak. the chinese statement has been published by state media here and it is a little bit
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different and whether this is because it is different in the translation or actually, as is sometimes the case, they are saying something to the chinese audience, we are not quite sure, but this is what the chinese statement says when translated. huawei products, including smartphones and tablets, products and services are not affected in the chinese market, so consumers can use and buy with confidence. let‘s bring in michelle fleury in new york and i wonder if huawei is getting caught up in the crossfire between america and china plasma trade war. i think without doubt thatis trade war. i think without doubt that is certainly the motivation that is certainly the motivation that was initially given. if you look at donald trump, he obviously likes to complain about the trade deficit but i think it goes far beyond that. we are talking here about concerns about national security, concerns about china‘s ambitions, certainly when it comes to technology concerns about sort of what the future of 5g, the next generation of the internet, will be.
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and can google do anything about this or did it simply had to take this or did it simply had to take this decision? well, look, it is not just google, you are starting to see some of the other companies fall into step, but this is not something thatis into step, but this is not something that is necessarily out of the blue. if you look back at huawei, certainly in american history, they we re certainly in american history, they were under investigation by congress backin were under investigation by congress back in 2011, they weren‘t exonerated but they weren‘t found guilty. and of course in 2012, there we re guilty. and of course in 2012, there were further sort of attempts by the us to stop a deal with zte, another chinese telecoms company, and no more aggressive step, american companies not complaining possibly too loudly publicly and may be privately, quite relieved. michelle, thanks very much, plenty more background on the story via the bbc news app. i will be back with you
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live in a few minutes and we will talk about the relationship between politics and religion, when i come back. we saw some very wild weather over the weekend across the united states, classic springtime thunderstorms exploded across the united states tornado alley, where we saw 50 tornadoes were reported because of this area of low pressure which hurtled across the plains and moved into the northeast states and south—east canada. a lot of damage reported particularly across texas and 0klahoma particularly across texas and oklahoma and the footage behind me shows the aftermath of one such tornado which hit parts of oklahoma, uprooting trees and causing significant damage to buildings. yet another area of low pressure hurtling across the great plains through monday and tuesday will bring another round of severe thunderstorms, perhaps with tornadoes, very large hail, from texas up towards the midwest.
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meanwhile, it stays pretty cold across the rockets with some heavy snowfall into parts of montana and pa rt snowfall into parts of montana and part of the pacific north—west and more wet weather pushing into california —— but the rockies. it is all tied in with the jet stream driving these weather systems through california and then pushing them across the great plains, where we have seen severe thunderstorms. colder air to the north of the jet, much hotter heir to the south, notice the red colours, there is a brewing heatwave taking place across the deep south into the carolinas as we move further into the weekend by the end of the week, we could be looking at temperatures around the high 305 celsius, around hundred fahrenheit. talking about he‘d come extremely high temperatures across parts of india over the next few days. as the week wears on, temperatures will surpass 45, 46 degrees and that will spark off some violent thunderstorm so there are some warnings in force for the heat and also violent thunderstorms which could break out across more northern and some southern areas of the
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caroline. 0ver and some southern areas of the caroline. over the weekend, we saw a one ina caroline. over the weekend, we saw a one in a 50 year event of rainfall across japan, torrential downpours and flooding. another frontal system is spreading across japan over the next couple of days could exacerbate flooding issues across central and southern areas, so this is one system we will keep an eye on. high temperatures and lots of sunshine across the north—east of china and very hot across parts of myanmar and thailand, temperatures in places over 45 celsius. closer to home, this area of low pressure has sparked off a lot of the via thunderstorms across the central and eastern parts of europe —— back severe. reports of flooding, flash hailand severe. reports of flooding, flash hail and lightning and they are likely to brew one into wednesday. an area of high pressure will bring our shores some fine weather for the next few days but these weak weather fronts may bring some rain to the end of the week, more cloud around but in the short term, the next few days look pretty fine and dry with some sunshine and feeling quite warm across the uk. there is more here in
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half an hour.
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hello, i‘m ros atkins, this is 0utside source. 0ver over the weekend, we were in malan. tonight we‘re live from the polish capital, warsaw ahead of european parliamentary elections later this week. wednesday, paris and. and then voting starts on the parliamentary elections. we will keep exploiting some of the pressing issues here in poland but more widely across europe. big story on bbc news today. huawei takes a big hit as google suspends business with the second biggest cell phone maker in the world. large lease being seen as being caught up in the trade war between the americans and the chinese. —— are largely being seen. we will be live in vienna and a moment. more
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political turmoil in the austrian government. the more you look at these european parliamentary elections, the more you understand that and every one of the 20 get eu member states, the way the 20 get eu member states, the way the campaigns are playing god are inextricably intertwined with domestic politics. —— 28 member states. we see in poland, uk, medically, germany, france, also seeing it in austria. —— are playing out. i‘m sure you saw the story over the weekend. the vice chancellor had to resign. austria‘s coalition government has been plunged into turmoil after a corruption scandal forced the resignation of his far—right deputy heinz—christian strache who was caught in a hidden camera sting proposing to offer government contracts to a supposed russian
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oligarch‘s daughter — and hinting at ways political donations could escape legal scrutiny. he says he will hold a snap election but has lost more ministers from his government also from that far right party, let‘s work out what is going on. let‘s speak to our correspondent bethany bell in vienna. bring us up—to—date, please. that is a shame. i think we can see bethany but she cannot hear us. we have a problem with the connection. ican have a problem with the connection. i can tell you the summary of the story which is several ministers within that coalition government which is a combination of sebastian ku rtz which is a combination of sebastian kurtz centre—right party in the far right freedom party were murdered freedom party ministers have walked out in solidarity with their
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collea g u es out in solidarity with their colleagues and so, austria is speeding towards a new election. probably in the next month or so. but in the meantime, the colouring the european parliamentary elections so we will be looking at those results on sunday very closely. let‘s come back to publish politics. —— polish politics. let‘s take a look now at the role of chrisitanity in polish politics and the european electionsthis. ina way in a way that british politicians do not refer to their faith. 40% of poles go to church. that compares to just 2% in uk and around 30% in the united states. one big issue centres around the lgbt community. the leader of poland‘s ruling conservative law and justice party has called lgbt rights a threat
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to polish children, and he‘s also said that "everyone must accept christianity" and that questioning the roman catholic church is unpatriotic. but the party‘s alliance with the church has come under new scrutiny after the release of a documentary exposing child sexual abuse by priests. kasia madera has more on this. fighting back. pulling‘s lgbt community feels under attack, with some from the ruling law and justice party describing them as a threat to traditional cultural values. she is a social activist. she recently made the headlines after being detained for putting up pro—lgbt posters.
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they portrayed the black madonna, poland‘s most revered religious icon, but with the rainbow halo. 0ffending religious feeling is a crime in poland and she faces two years in prison but she says her actions we re necessary. lgbt people are in danger in poland because they‘re treated as a scapegoat. in the last election, scapegoats were immigrants. it is a total withdrawal of humanity. the powerful leader of the ruling law and justice party has called the lgbt movement a threat to the polish state. his party is closely connected to the polish catholic church, which sees homosexuality as a sin. although opinion polls suggest that polls are generally tolerant poles are generally tolerant towards lg bt issues, many cultural conservatives believe homosexuality should not be visible.
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translation: we don't ask, we don‘t tell. if it is obvious you are like that, don‘t shout it, you can live with someone. just don‘t broadcast it. anti — lg bt protesters are campaigning openly. even at the capital. some go as far as to suggest a link between homosexuality and paedophilia. this is not the official position of the catholic church, but the campaigners do use religion to justify their claims. guiding this country through its troubled history has always been the catholic church, but its reach into so many different aspects of civil society is proving to be extremely divisive and now the church‘s very foundations are being shaken by a new documentary. the film uncovers numerous cases of sexual abuse of children by priests and a cover—up
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within the catholic church. the church was quick to apologise to the victims. it‘s been viewed over 20 million times online, but the director is concerned that the debate his investigation has ignited iis being hijacked. translation: some are trying to link paedophilia with homosexuality. some politicians are trying to suggest that it is homosexuality that leads to the rape of children. this is absurd. the ruling law and justice party has responded by introducing tougher penalties against child six abusers, but the scandal has strengthened calls from opposition parties for a tangible separation between church and states. whether or not this will affect the way people vote in the upcoming elections, though, remains to be seen. let‘s speak to my guests emilie van 0uteren — the central europe correspondent
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for dutch newspaper nrc based in warsaw and andrzej bobinski, the managing director of think tank polityka insight. it is the church explicitly political? what are surprised to find out when i moved there from the netherlands, one of the most secular countries come how much of a fourth the church is an institution is. not just that people are religious people. it is one answer to that played a major role in getting rid of communism in the 19805, section foursimp the of communism in the 19805, section four simp the lives of people. would it be going too far to say that church like the current government? noi church like the current government? no i think that would be pretty on the spot. i think this changes every four years every election. there will be ups and downs with the way the church intertwined with politics and always a backlash. so if there isa and always a backlash. so if there is a moment when politics gets more secular, the church comes back and then after four years, when the ruling party is on vigour turned
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with the church, there is a backlash, and the politics turned secular again. the question is the la st secular again. the question is the last government was in power for eight years. which was the first time since 1989 there was one government that god bowed into a secretary. the question is now are we in fora secretary. the question is now are we in for a four—year term with the church the government? how close are we to be backlash? explain to everybody watching, abortion is only allowed in restricted circumstances, 93v allowed in restricted circumstances, gay marriage is not legal. gay couples cannot adopt. children. do polls that are out of sync with the rest of the eu? do they want to feel out of sync? there is a majority of polls who feel that same—sex couples should have rights such as at least a civil union. if not married. but adoption is very controversial. as is teaching lgbt to georgian in schools and what that is and what that means and that people are equal evenif that means and that people are equal even if they are attracted to. ——
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lg bt even if they are attracted to. —— lgbt education. compared to other countries, explicit reference to religion in a way that does not occur ina religion in a way that does not occur in a lot of western european countries. yes. probably that is true. definitely surface of the thing is about voter turnout and the fa ct thing is about voter turnout and the fact that both the two biggest political blocks need to mobilise their voters and for this reason i think the treasure has come to the front and the lgbt rights in all the 12 uses because there is no swing voters. there is no debate about the we want this or do we want that. basically is getting up a bow and speaking to your constituency. so thatis speaking to your constituency. so that is what this is about and where i think the church play such a big role. —— getting up a bow. i think the church play such a big role. -- getting up a bow. church will be a big issue here in the election. so how do other politicians in europe reference christianity in their political rhetoric? here‘s sophia smith—galer.
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two politicians who are using this christian nationalism in europe are victor alban, the prime minister of hungary and matteo savini, the deputy prime minister of italy. both of them use vocabulary that hearkens back to a kind of crusader nostalgia, you will hear words like how they want to return their countries to theirjudeo—christian roots, how they want to protect european civilization, and especially when they are discussing their anti—immigration policies, you will hear them complete immigration what they call muslim invasion. and what they are doing there is trying to prompt an existential threat in the minds of voters, these are not necessarily religious and christian voters but they are people who have been persuaded that the values and morals and freedoms from christian cultural heritage are under threat. matteo savini in particular doesn‘t only use christian nationalism in his rhetoric, it is visual as well. he will clutch a rosary
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at his rallies. we should be mindful however of assuming there is a one christian nationalist policy emerging in europe, we have heard catholic social justice groups and catholic leaders speak out against what they see as a surge in right—wing nationalism amongst christian politicians in europe, and they clearly fear a threat to minority rights as well as the breaking up of the european union. stay with us on 0utside source — still to come... they knew brexit was in part driven bya they knew brexit was in part driven by a desire for increased national sovereignty and that issue is also playing out any number of other eu states including this one, poland. we will turn to the issue of the rule of law and how the eu and the polish government has had a spectacular disagreement over this.
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it's a quick report for you. it‘s the opening day of the chelsea flower show in south london, and one of the first visitors was the duchess of cambridge, unveiling her own woodland and wilderness garden. accompanied by a group of schoolchildren, she says she hopes it will inspire families to get in touch with nature. here‘s our royal correspondent daniela relph. who better tojudge mum‘s handiwork than her three young children? george, charlotte and louis testing out the garden the duchess helped design. even if louis seemed a little distracted. in recent months the cambridge children have collected twigs, leaves and moss which were included in the design. it‘s been a very personal project for the duchess, rarely interviewed, on this she wanted to speak out. there is so much that kiddies in particular can learn from environments like this. they can learn life skills. from learning empathy, watching plants grow,
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to physical activity and climbing onto trees or boulders and things, helping balance and coordination. it‘s an open playground for them. it‘s a natural space of really exciting space for kiddies and adults alike to share and explore and hopefully that is what this garden does. two local primary schools were first into the garden this morning under the watchful eye of the duchess. oh my goodness there are so many people up here. she climbed into the tree house to chat and had to explain to curious minds she would normally wear gardening gloves to protect her hands and engagement ring. i‘ve been doing lots of planting. this evening, the chelsea gardens will be viewed by the queen and other members of the royal family. this year that will include a garden
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designed by one of their own. this is 0utside source live from the bbc newsroom. full week of outside source moving around. until the parliamentary elections on thursday. let‘s move to some of the other stories. the chinese smartphone maker, huawei, is trying to reassure its millions of global customers following google‘s decision to block the company from using some of its apps and services. a comedian famous for playing the role of ukraine‘s president has become the country‘s real president. volodymyr zelenskiy has been officially sworn in as the new head of state. he is already sinking want to dissolve parliament. —— saying he wa nts to. iran‘s foreign minister has dismissed president trump‘s threat to destroy his country.
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javid zarif was responding to a tweet in which mr trump warned that it would be the "official end" of iran if it chose to fight the us. an australian man has unearthed a gold nugget estimated to be worth $69,000. it was found with a metal detector while wandering around western austrlia‘s gold fields. when are the biggest issues of this your your parliamentary elections. the degree how much they‘re willing to compromise on their sovereignty in exchange for further integration. we have seen the issue play out in poland. to become part of the eu, you have to agree to operate under these fundamental values. they include — respect for human dignity and human rights, freedom, democracy, equality and the rule of law. the rule of law doesn‘t refer to one specific law, but rather a series of laws on democratic governance and human rights.
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if the rule of law is threatened, the eu can trigger what‘s known as article seven. sanctions can be put on the country, including losing voting rights, to make them comply with the values. in 2017, article seven was triggered for the first time in poland overjudicial reforms. when they began to clash with brussels. in 2018, it was hungary after being accused of silencing the media, targeting ng05 and undermining judiciary. for more on poland, i‘m joined by andrzej bobinski, managing director of polityka insight, an independent think tank & media advisory service focusing on polish politics. explain to our viewers to clash between the eu and the government here. it was all about the judiciary for one of the reasons that triggered article seven, the lowering of the retirement age of judges and the fact that the president was able to hand—pick those which would who have to be retired and those who can stay and
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still rule in court. this has basically been a lot of fight over this reform and many people believe it was going against the constitution and the rule of law. and basically the they are hearing in the european card the justice you cj which is been moved forward, the hearing was supposed to be happening this week. —— european court of justice. i think for procedural reasons, and electoral reasons, it has been moved forward to next month. poland's situation. ialso alluded to hungary. we need to bring alluded to hungary. we need to bring a third country into the equation. romania has been threatened with disciplinary proceedings over controversialjudicial reforms. here‘s nick thorpe.
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this european election has given support as of the governing socialist party the chance to flex their muscles. banners at this rally in easton romania read romania deserves more respect. they are fed up deserves more respect. they are fed up with criticism. romania has successfully prosecuted a more high—level officials, including parliament to deputies than almost any other country. but that strong record of fighting corruption has got the president the prosecutors and the security services into trouble. rather than upholding the rule of law, they stand accused of undermining it. the latest letter from the european commission to the government has just arrived, threatening infringement proceedings. a misunderstanding according to top government officials. i believe a genuine concern about the rule of law should be normal for every member state, but then i also have our rhetorical
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question, why the commission was totally blind and deaf during so many years, more than ten years, when in romania there were so many abuses in the judiciary? the latest controversy centres around the former anti—corru ption boss, who is now under investigation herself. she is a popularfigure for anti—government protesters and now she is in the running for the new post of european prosecutor. romania may look messy, this government critic told me, but it shows that democracy is alive and kicking. what do you expect when you‘re fighting the establishment? i think it would be fair to expect that the establishment is going to fight back. the establishment is not only a political establishment, they are the one to have the money, that control the media, they are the ones who make the laws in parliament. of course they are going to try to use the tools that they have
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at their disposal to try to avoid going to jail and losing their money. sometimes romanians feel they are going round and round in circles, but 12 years afterjoining the european union, there is also a sense of progress. politicians know they will be held to account. citizens believe their voices will be heard. in the elections of the coming months, they will deliver their verdict. emily and andre still with me. this issue of national sovereignty doesn‘t go away. it manifests itself in lots of different ways a cross ways across the block. the discussion of how much is the eu allowed to enter been international affairs. there is such a thing as european values which is very a bstra ct european values which is very abstract come every european state have to be a democracy, but what does it mean to have a rule of law?
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even people in brussels do not have the specifics. you can tell paul enough to do this, but how far can that go? and what can they even do. —— you can tell paula not to do this. —— you can tell poland not to do this. one hungary and poland obviously will cover for each other because they are in similar opposition. some of the measures the eu can bring in one article seven a sugar needs to be unanimously voted on and so paula has allies which will not vote. i surprised that i agree unto us the eu has not been able to stop these reforms? actually, this has been escalated to the european court ofjustice and a scare of a big find which would mean millions of viewers daily has caused a certain sort of change in the approach to the judiciary form. both sides i think i backed down and there is a phasing out of the easton
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public debate, there was a big interview withjohn public debate, there was a big interview with john clyde yunker, the head of the commission, who said the head of the commission, who said the poll exit will not happen, their exit from the european union. —— john clyde yunker. you can feel this was an uncomfortable topic in the campaign for both sides. brussels and for pollen. . i think he was a here is the eu threat of the article seven and poland has at some effect. the government has backed onto some of the reforms they were planning to do. where in hungary, you see taking the two ahead whole another level.l few minutes left. i want to ask you about the legitimacy of these elections. the country did have democracy for a long time. you‘re telling me earlier turnout last time for the yearfor telling me earlier turnout last time for the year for the parliamentary elections was 20 something percent. do you think there is a view of some polish people there is not a huge connection between voting in this election and their lives?|j connection between voting in this election and their lives? i think this is about the fact that they are not interested in politics. they
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don't like politics. the moment in the campaign starts people talking about politics, if you look at people who are following the media and reading newspapers, that number is following a filing by the minute. when i talked to friends, most people who theoretically i would say would be interested in politics usually don't mind care or know anything about is going on. turnout is definitely going to be higher this time. it will not be under 25% i think because people feel there is more at stake after brexit and trump. turnout will be higher. will poehls are not that inclined to vote. brother you, thank you for keeping me company. thank you for coming out on a reasonably chilly spring evening care. our time and poland is just about up. tomorrow morning, nice and early in the morning, nice and early in the morning heading to berlin and on wednesday, we will be in paris, any question about the domestic political situation in those
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countries, or the broad european issues, get intact. talk to you tomorrow. goodbye. —— get in touch with us. hello. it is that time of the year, bank holiday weekend coming thick and fast and another is a project. hard to match the amazing weather over easter, we will see what this one has to offer. before that, the rest of the week will deliver some warmth and a chance of a shower and thatis warmth and a chance of a shower and that is how we started the week on monday, but the showers are out more in scotland entering tuesday, this is where most of the showers will be. it is most high pressure but the area still unstable for some of us giving that potential for showers and more cloud every tuesday, they are across northern and eastern parts of scotland. most of the wet weather north of the essential belts and moving slow heavy showers. most of the places, will be dry. let‘s cloud in monday, more ends warm sunshine in more places therefore with temperatures reaching into the
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high teens, low 205 and southeast england. no great change in the weather pattern, going from tuesday into wednesday, a week weather disturbance just nudging into the northern aisles and especially for shetland, you can expect more cloud here and are bricks brand. stronger include liberties as well. still getting into scotland, northeast england, very few elsewhere. after a senate star. someone forgetting that sunshine as the winds are very light. -- sunshine as the winds are very light. —— after a sunday start. looking at thursday, an attack of the weather front, none of these are strong. not any great hurry to get in. this will start to feed more cloud in towards the west and south is the uk. most places staying dry. and the system looks like diving southwards to the north sea. keeping must place to frustrating. if you wa nt must place to frustrating. if you want some rain on the garden. looks like he could to be a dry day in scotla nd like he could to be a dry day in scotland with more cloud. enter
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friday, the weather system from the west will start to push its way southwards, clearing some cloud and outbreaks of rain or showers with that. they will start the day affecting parts of northern ireland and what‘s in scotland, still something to play for any detail but what rained there is our showers of feed further south across england are well. more cloud around, greater chance of saying that weather for some of us at the end of the week, if that issue, your temperature may head down a few degrees lots of signs or something a bit cooler coming our way going into the weekend. high pressure being nudged away from the south, as we start to see what looks like more vigorous weather systems edging in from the atlantic. that does we think on saturday bring this weather system in across the northern half of the uk, with thicker cloud and some operant terrain, and a stronger breeze as well. that will make you feel cooler, and the south of that you may see a good deal of cloud, some sunny spells, and still some warmth and expels to start the weekend. 0ur weather over the bank holiday weekend is turning more active, high pressure squeezing to the south them a jet stream taking a
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more direct track towards us, that isa sign more direct track towards us, that is a sign of things becoming a little bit more unsettled. when the year as well. a little feel cooler. not strong winds or substantially cooler, although as we go deeper into next week, we mayjust start to drag some rather morkel there are way. we will keep an eye on that. there are weather changes on the way for this bank holiday weekend. it does not look like a spectacular as easter was, it will feel a little cooler, breezy, there will be sunshine at times, but some of us will see some wet weather occasionally so that is an early taste of things to come, we will frame of the detail and keep on watching that and come back to you again over the next few weathers for the week ahead.
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tonight at ten — google blocks the world‘s second biggest smartphone maker, huawei, affecting millions of people around the world. it follows president trump‘s decision to blacklist the chinese firm overfears beijing could spy on foreign data networks. they‘re citing this as being a security issue and it absolutely is not a security issue. this is all tied to the china—us trade negotiations. so, where does all this leave the increasingly bitter trade war between the world‘s two biggest economies? also tonight... the inquest into the london bridge attacks hears how one man who died tried to protect a woman using his skateboard. intense debate and more protests at a birmingham school over books on same sex relationships.

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