tv Brexitcast BBC News May 25, 2019 2:30pm-3:00pm BST
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hello this is bbc news, with chris rogers. the headlines: another two cabinet ministers — matt hancock and rory stewart — enter the race to become the new conservative leader and prime minister. president trump arrives injapan for the start of a historic four—day state visit. universities in england are told not to ‘scaremonger‘ over finances, as a review is expected to call for them to reduce their tuition fees by nearly £2,000 per year. a british climber dies on mount everest. robin haynes fisher is the tenth person to die on the mountain this season. rules allowing homeowners to build some extensions in england without planning permission have been made permanent. now on bbc news, it's time for a special edition of the bbc‘s brexitcast — on the day theresa may set a date for her departure — with adam fleming and katya adler in brussels, and chris mason
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and laura kuenssberg in westminster. brexit means brexit. breaking up is hard. the people voted and they have to get on with it. a process which i can only describe as a dog's brexit. what does brexit mean? hello, chris in westminster. laura in westminster. so, laura, what a day! what a day. big day, enormous day. we've been talking for months about the crushing inevitability of theresa may having to go at some point, today it is happening. and for any country, the day when their political leaders says they are stepping down is a huge moment— forget
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about brexit, perish the thought — forget about brexit, we will now have by the end ofjuly, someone else in charge of running the country, making the decisions that affect all of our lives, in all sorts of ways, and when it came this morning at downing street, it was quite a moment. i will shortly leave the job that is been the honour of my life to hold. the second female prime minister, but certainly not the last. i do so with no ill will, but with enormous and enduring gratitude to have had the opportunity to serve the country i love! she turns around and walks away. although there was all that caricaturing. the maybot. but that was a very human moment.
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absolutely, that's the part where she shows, for many people, that she is real and has real feeling. in a funny way, it shows what's happened in the past couple of weeks, despite all the hard work and everything, the wrangling, the wrangling, the fighting the persistence, in the end, theresa may was overwhelmed by the challenge. but she was overwhelmed emotionally today, of course, as a human being, you would be. and that is really what has happened. she has been overwhelmed by people in parliament not wanting to really give up their own pet unicorn, overwhelmed by the divisions in her party and the complexity of the project and the problems and mistakes that she made along the way that built up. we were saying the other day that she had made things worse with that speech that she gave that felt like an eternity ago. 0n on tuesday! on tuesday, yes! and that set in change in the events that led to today and for a while there is been a inevitability that this was going to come, but we didn't
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think it was this eminent. would it have been after the european election results or later than that in earlyjune? revisiting president trump? but, no, the moment has come. and in a funny way, in the end, it's actually a really quick and brutal fashion, it suddenly comes and that really is what happened in the period of a8, 72 hours. was that the men in grey suits? the men in grey suits, yeah, there were apparently lots of suits. there were backbenchers that had enough, they were going to force her out and she tried to carry on, but the real thing that changed is since we were last chatting on tuesday night, was the cabinet. and you can't go on then, however determined to resolute you are,
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and we have said lots of times about at what point does being resolute become stubborn and become being actually deluded and out of touch with reality? such a contrast though, when she was so overwhelmed that she turned around and sort of fled back into number 10, but it contrasted with david cameron when he came out and gave this, after this vote that was devastating to the country, devastating some happy and some sad, but it was a massive moment for the country and then he was offered this sombre grace. adam is going to make the pendant‘s point. 0n the day of the referendum when cameron came out with sam by his side, his voice cracked on the exact same point of his departure speech when he talks about the honour it was to serve the country. right, it was actually several weeks later... much earlier. still in your mind.
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that was the day he and i were dressed exactly the same! exactly the same! that is why it sticks in my mind. and i'll always remember finding that on the tape. we were in the edit suite. this is niche. interesting for those who like to tear down the fourth wall of the press, we found it on the tape, look, he is humming and off. i go, well done me. i'm going to go surfing... i think the point that you make of the different personalities and the lack of likelihood, to put it mildly, that theresa may would do that in any circumstance, either now or later, kind of stands...
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what you have said often, both of you, is that however much criticism theresa may has come under and in the eu as well, you have always said that she is someone who passionately loves her party and passionately loves her country, the whole of the union — and that's something that i think that you could not miss today. whether it was a mistake or not to cry, or people will analyse it from all sorts of angles. and also, they will, unfortunately, and i recommend to everyone going on to me about female politicians suddenly showing their emotions where males would never do such a thing, it's really annoying and a total double standard. how did you feel when theresa may's husband took her hand and told her to resign? the real controversy
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about that to be media niche, one of the papers, the metro, splashed with that saying something like — tell her. it is something widely known that she sees her husband as her closest political adviser as an equal. so i think what he was meaning was that he is the only person that you listen to, and not like, get back indoors, love. before we go any further, about the timeline, because there are things flashing around talking about theresa may standing down in a couple of weeks. and that is her turning in her resignation as the leader of the conservative party and she carries on as prime minister
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for the best part of two months, after that the contest runs its course until the 20 something ofjuly and then we get the point at which parliament rises. so that means two more eu summits to come to. the june end of term summits. we will see her twice. i don't think she should do the doorstep on the red carpet because you know she hated doing them anyway. what do you mean? because you fired yourself, you would want to do that, would you? barely had she walked back into number ten and then the reaction started to come in across europe and largely on twitter, and there was a lot of respect, the word respect was used over and over again by the prime ministers — we heard that from angela merkel, the dutch prime minister, no regret, no—one expressed any regret. yyou could say it's not their place to do so, there was no warmth between these eu leaders in her, they never once built up a rapport.
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so that maybot at home... so respect, yes, the lack of regret also comes in the fact that a lot of negativity is now associated with theresa may and these painful negotiations, finally signing off on a compromise deal in the coming back for more changes despite the fact that eu leaders always thought that she put her party and in particular, the hardliners of her party in their opinion, the good of the country and above actually doing a deal and either moving forward with brexit or tinkering brexit or whatever, itjust reminded me again today, not because she cried, it's just the show of emotion reminded me of the fact that after the referendum and before theresa may became prime minister, all of my contacts in the eu... we were speculating as who they want and who they don't want want as prime minister, it actually doesn't really matter
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because the most important thing is, the decision that the eu sees as very negative that's been made is the uk leaving the eu, they need a prime minister strong enough to do a deal in brussels and send it back home and theresa may never was that prime minister. and that then goes part of the way to answer the question that adam and i have been hearing all day which is, what will the eu make of borisjohnson as prime minister and what the eu is hoping for from the next prime minister, it's less about personality and more about the power that they will have at home. and that will be something that will be talked over the next 2a hours here, people inevitably not necessarily completely sincerely at home, try to express how much they've always loved her and people who sat around the cabinet, actually found that theresa may was the best person they could ever have
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imagined in the world. this was matthew paris. she referred to st nicolas 2010. the transport man during the second world war, in favour of compromise, he was not about compromise, he was about courage. we have a rather bad habit in britain, once somebody who has failed goes off ringing their hands and saying how sorry we feel about it, i am pleased that she is gone. she could not do the job and must've left much earlier. trying to compromise with the labour party and she was trying to compromise with her own party but, you know, he is not the only person who thinks that she was the wrong person in the wrong job.
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there was some snorting about the word compromise, they said, what compromise? she compromised far too late and insincerely, and that is the feeling that right at the last moment, you can see that she really was trying to offer everything to everybody but we are talking about really at the last moment. the thing that, put it this way, that came under some criticism on this side of the channel as well. when she saw the compromise of what was needed for compromise in black—and—white which was the draft wab, and it involved... and the second thing, even though she said she did not want it and probably never was going to happen, but a route to another referendum, written down in black—and—white in a government document is finally what did it for her. the end. that might‘ve been the thing that ministers in the cabinet thought,
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they've been sitting on their hands throughout the chaos over the past few months, if i have my name attached to something like that, that could be a bit tricky in a leadership contest. the point to make from the whole issue of compromise, in fact comes much sooner, then the whole question about her leadership would have also come much sooner. and that, i suppose, is a rational reason to put off compromise if you think it is going to mean... i know, we have been around and around this, but the interesting thing is what happens now to the next person? in the brutality of politics now, it is already really about who is coming next. and ijust had a message from someone who is a gove supporter, not officially declared yet, but there will be more coming out. and i mustjust say, because we are all friends here really, notjust us but all our lovely listeners, there are two people, at least two,
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who are brexitcasters. who want to be the next prime minister who are brexitcasters. they said they will come on... sorry, ishould never clap near a microphone, that is bad behaviour, not professional. the presenters, to make any prime ministers who want to come in, make sure you bring your sponges. we'll get questions from brexitcasters. and i have one as well who may be different from one of your two and they suggested that this person suggested that they would be quite keen on coming on. and our role in is the unwritten rule in the uk, it's the listeners' choice. far be it for me to suggest that
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if you are a tory leadership candidate you do not come on brexitcast, perhaps your knowledge of the withdrawal agreement in the process is not as good as others. i would never suggest that is the case to anyone, but that is second—guessing people. we will have the receipt of the memorial quiz. exactly. i have apologised about that, though. not for the harshness of the quiz, just the name of it. yes, the fleming test. how many people are running now genuinely? or do we have to wait a little while to know? jeremy hunt was excited about a direct service on friday to the constituency, the foreign secretary talking about all things domestic and then rolled up at the festival and told the newspaper that he is in the running, so he is a definite declared. there are a lot of people talking
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about how they're seriously considering etc etc, without saying yes, but he is definitely declared. rory stewart, borisjohnson who was at switzerland for a conference and interesting in his language, talking about... in swiss german. i wasjoking! what he had to say was in english, thankfully from my language—limited brain. but he put straight back on the table the idea of deal or no deal. so addressing those who think it was a big mistake to ever talk about taking no deal off the table.
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and he got lots of people excited quickly by saying, we're going to leave at the end of october. and the contest is who will say openly that they are willing to leave without a deal and who will say, absolutely not a chance, or i would do everything in my possible power? but i think people are getting into a froth about everything that borisjohnson says, he can change. i'm just going to say that diplomatically. in the eu, are rolling back and yawning, that is a lie because they are rather fixated on the european parliamentary election and that could affect things like germany and france and, otherwise, they have heard it all before. that is what... they're saying, they will all
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say that it will be no deal, they say you'll be out by october, but let's wait and see, the general assumption is that the new prime minister will be asking for another extension because they will want to try to negotiate, renegotiate the brexit deal because they might want to hold a general election and the way they deal with the eu, not just with what they're saying and the leadership contest, but how they deal with the eu will influence how eu leaders are to going for a longer extension, especially when you have someone like emmanuel macron, who feels like if you have an arch brexiteer in that seat, they may want to use dirty tactics. that was the word of one diplomat i spoke to about eu business, putting a block on the eu budget to put pressure and say, change backstop. and these are the scenarios that the eu is game—planning, but frankly, they have been game planning this for a long time because theresa may's demises
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and outcome is a huge surprise. as these races are often unpredictable, is there someone who we do not know very much about in terms of like matt hancock, who's going to run it looks very unlikely at the moment but not impossible. stewart the development secretary or sajid javid, you know they would know about him but how would they approach someone who they do not know very much about? it'll come back to a position to come with. the whole process has been very paper— based and explaining what you mean based in people sitting around a table rather than being second—guessed by the eu from a distance. so i think they'll probably do a big effort by the renegotiation of the withdrawal agreement and they'll at least politely listen to the first request and taken the details of the request, and think about the person and more about the position,
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that is how the eu operates, positions positions. politely open the door and listen, which they will, they will listen with their fingers in their ears because they have already said, this is it, we are not budging. the panic will be prickling on the back of their necks again and the taoiseach was talking about the possibility of a no—deal brexit under new prime minister when he will be worrying about is a prime minister who is seen to be serious about no deal in a way that theresa may was never believed here in the eu
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to be serious and that will split unity amongst the member states and whether some countries will say, maybe another day, maybe this, but that will be something that they'll be worried about tonight. what i am fascinated about is whether the eu institutions will play a role in the tory leadership contest but here's my theory. we have heard multiple times, second biggest regret in my entire political life is not e referendum, allegations, yes. that he did not do more fact checking during the eu referendum and i did not do it because david cameron said i was not allowed to. some say that is in easy biggest regret to have, but exhibit b,
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yesterday there was a little video from the northern irish twitter account from the right hand man which the commission disputes and they put a big effort and to make it and denied this quote even those on a video that had 3000 followers and so i wonder if you see a leadership candidate saying something that is either wrong about the withdrawal agreement or impedes the goals of the eu, whether the commission will find a way of saying no, you are wrong and pushing back more forcefully, exactly. it can be fascinating, but they cannot be seen to be interfering in domestic party politics. and when we reconvene in the early hours of monday as a result of the european election, so may yes, if emmanuel macron or angela merkel is further weakened, that will push further away because macron is saying no more extension and medical is sane, more extension and medical is sane, more extensions, they might change their mind. even if they don't, at least there will be an ordinary brexit and it is not so chaotic and expensive. if they are weakened, that could change the dynamic among the member states. on the subject of exploding the will is a so chaotic and expensive. if they are weakened, that could change the dynamic among the member states. 0n the subject of exploding the wells abroad person is the will is a broadcasting, whilst talking to the radio for six o'clock news, where you imagine the person reading it out is in a bow tie and
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dinner jacket! reading it out is in a bow tie and dinnerjacket! they are, or a cocktail dress. i was talking about the runners... and a cigar, without the runners... and a cigar, without the nicotine. sorry. iwas the runners... and a cigar, without the nicotine. sorry. i was wondering what you are going to say! stop it! anyway, where was i? i was doing a piece about the runners and riders. and i did contemplate saying, there isa and i did contemplate saying, there is a piece by cornelius, our racing correspondent, why notjust play that? otherwise, iwill correspondent, why notjust play that? otherwise, i will be reading out the conservative telephone directory, just a list of names. so graham brady... so are you two be wearing cocktail dresses on sunday night for the election night programme while chris and i will be wearing bow ties? i thought you were asking chris and laura!|j wearing bow ties? i thought you were asking chris and laura! i rarely broadcast in anything else, but if you have not watched cornelius's version of the runners and riders that he kindly did a few weeks ago,
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please watch it, because it is hilarious and also very accurate! we invite all of you on brexitcast to watch is. you have a marathon, adam and chris. we have a radio marathon. it starts at ten o'clock uk time on 5 live, 11 o'clock and radio 4. midnight on the world service, one o'clock on local radio. if you have free time on your hands, subscribe to an informative brexit based podcast. or you should come on brexitcast. she really loved that! guys, you are not concentrating in the background, we can hear laughter! but if you want to watch the telly box on sunday, you will be on it as well? we will have another terry marathon and bits of brexitcast. we will be wearing our bowties, laura. may be, that is a good idea. goodbye, everyone!
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this is a smartly dressed weather presenter with an update on how your bank holiday weekend is going. for some of us, the weekend has started just held the week has been. warm sunshine. it is close to 23 celsius in the ones parts of south east england, but there are changes happening elsewhere. you know that in scotland and northern ireland. underneath the cloud that has been picking from the west with outbreaks of rain, that is across much of northern england into north west england, north wales in particular and it may produce spots of light rain. you could be seen that. but more substantial rain in scotland, especially the north west, or patchy rainfor especially the north west, or patchy rain for northern ireland. elsewhere in south wales and southern england, there may be stray showers but it is staying dry into east anglia. this is where we are seeing the highest temperatures, but very into double figures in northern scotland. let's look at how saturday evening is shaping up. in scotland, further rain at at times, some of that is brushing northern england,
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especially further north. rain is coming back into northern ireland after a dry spell. by the end of tonight, bearing down on western parts of england and wales, and it is going to be at my old mate, mist and fog patches in eastern england. into sunday, showery rain not the prospect very much rain in southern england if you want that on the garden. further outbreaks of rain in northern scotland. elsewhere, it brightens up with afternoon sunshine, a bit breezy and it will feel a bit cooler and fresher. that is your sunday. and to the all—important bank holiday and still rain at at times in northern scotland. showers and sunshine elsewhere. most of the showers to the west, but the arrows indicate the west, but the arrows indicate the breeze pushing further east. but the breeze pushing further east. but the driest weather will be across eastern and southern england. temperatures have come down where ever you are, so temperatures have come down where ever you are, so it does feel cooler and fresher towards the south east. the degree cool with the rain and
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the breeze in northern scotland. for the breeze in northern scotland. for the rest of the weekend, it gradually turns a bit cooler, the breeze picks up, there is a chance of getting some rain, but not as much as some of us would like and the gardens, and this is the start of something a little cooler and u nsettled of something a little cooler and unsettled that last into next week. but keep your eye on next weekend, it looks like it will turn dry again with high building and as that happens, temperatures creep up once again, back into the 20s for some and it may take a little longer to shift the rain away from northern scotland. that is your latest forecast, enjoy your afternoon.
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this is bbc news, i'm chris rogers. the headlines at three. the race to become the new conservative leader and prime minister is under way — matt hancock is the latest to enter the contest. delivering brexit is mission—critical and it must be done as sooi'i as mission—critical and it must be done as soon as possible and it has to be donein as soon as possible and it has to be done in this parliament. president trump is injapan for the start of a historic four—day state visit. universities in england are told not to ‘scaremonger‘ over finances as a review is expected to call for them to reduce their tuition fees by nearly £2000 per year. a british climber dies on mount everest. robin haynes fisher is the tenth person to die on the mountain this season. and click looks at the privacy of your data, a year
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