following a kamikaze rich. just imagine we deliver no deal, it will be catastrophic, it will certainly be catastrophic, it will certainly be damaging, that is admitted by everybody, including those who support it. the tories will be hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm joanna gosling. blamed for it. we can't blame the a no—deal brexit — people and say we were just trying is it the only solution, or is it political suicide? to get on with brexit and there was it depends which of the ten not a deal so we are leaving with candidates for the conservative none, labour will blame the tories, leadership you ask. we'll hear from the latest even the brexit party will blame the to throw his hat in the ring — tories. you would like a general housing minister kit malthouse, who thinks he could still reopen election, you would stand down as a negotiations with the eu. conservative ph have a general election rather than leave without a deal on the 31st of october? first of all, we need to unify election rather than leave without a deal on the 315t of october?” election rather than leave without a deal on the 31st of october? i do not want to see a channel election, around a brexit deal and then have a ido not want to see a channel election, i do not want a labour government, i think that would also be disastrous compelling domestic agenda once we for the country, i will continue to have dealt with brexit and got it out the way, but the critical thing persuade colleagues that the only is coming together around a deal logical and democratic way forward is to put this back to the british which we know will in parliament. meanwhile, the labour leadership is split about how strongly it people, show them the respect they deserve, this is not what they voted should back a second referendum on brexit. another shadow cabinet member, for, they were never presented with diane abbott, now says she strongly backs the idea. if we're not going to have a general no—deal brexit in the referendum in election, we would support a 2016 and the manifestos in 2017...

people's vote. and let me just say this, there is no inherent gary streeter, there are mps within contradiction between respecting the result of the referendum the party who have indicated they and having a people's vote. would be prepared to resign the tory with in order to trigger a general do you want another referendum? election rather than see a no—deal who do you want to see as prime minister? do you want a general election? brexit on october 31. would you fear let us know. a general election, is there anything you could do to stop that? also today — hundreds of british teenagers of somali origin are being sent by their parents with that the inevitable if there is to east africa to avoid a leader in pace saying we would go knife crime in the uk. we've been to kenya out with a deal on the 31st of to meet some of them. i've lost close friends. october? i don't see any like, there are people in my neighbourhood, someone, like, i really conservative mps triggering a knew, who lost his life. general election, to be honest. i that you grew up with or something? yeah, yeah, yeah. agreement ros, there is no mandate he got stabbed. that was one of the reasons for no deal, people have not voted that i came back here. for no deal, people have not voted for no—deal brexit but they voted there was an example for no—deal brexit but they voted of a young boy who for brexit. this is the only way lived in west london who had asked to be taken back home, and she said that we can brexit. we have to the day they booked his plane ticket was the day that he was choose between an attack on killed. democracy and possible economic disruption for hopefully a relatively short period. i choose the economic destruction no

disruption to get brexit done and get the country reunited behind a positive conservative vision and win hello. the next election. we have a civic welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning — duty to stop jeremy corbyn winning and we want to know what you think about brexit, and all the stories the next election. thank you, gary we're talking about today — streeter and baroness ros altmann. use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — meanwhile the labour party and maybe want to take part is struggling to come to terms in the programme — please include your phone with its own pretty dismal showing number in your message. in the european election results. if you text, you'll be charged they came third with 14% of the votes — well behind at the standard network rate. first shaun has the news. the liberal democrats. they now have ten meps — half the number they had in the last european parliament. many in the shadow cabinet, are now pushing forjeremy corbyn to unequivocally back calls for a second referendum, and to campaign to remain. richard corbett is the leader the conservative leadership of the labour party candidate, jeremy hunt, at the european parliament. has warned pushing for a no—deal he succesfuly retained his seat for yorkshire and the humber brexit would be "political suicide" at the eu elections. for the party. mr hunt said any such move would trigger a general thanks forjoining us. do you think election — risking the "extinction" of the tories. that labour's strategy should one of his rivals — the environment secretary, michael gove — has pledged to allow change? we must be clear we are now eu nationals who were in the uk at the time of the referendum backing a public vote on any brexit to apply for citizenship free of charge. outcome, and jeremy said that how do i think we could do things yesterday and i'm pleased it is

clear. reporter: is it? it was differently? firstly, one of the reasons that they were not flexible tucked away in lots of wording. what in changing the withdrawal agreement is that they were not confident that is so now, it is still the position the british government would be able to say we will go for a general to deliver parliament or any deal election and if we can't have that we will go for a referendum, but we they agree to. and, indeed, they do not know which way labour would we re they agree to. and, indeed, they were right. a which is why i think campaign in it. a public vote on any were right. a which is why i think we need a new negotiating team, and that he needs to be notjust the government but the dup, the erg and brexit deal. and why not? brexit is i think you should have someone from turning out to be so different from scotla nd i think you should have someone from scotland and wales so the union side what was promised by the leave of the issues is properly thought campaign three years ago, it is only right to put it back to the people through. the labour party? i think and say, do you want to go ahead or the labour party front bench has not? it is very different to what shown they are not prepared to do this in good faith. the leave campaign promised. jeremy corbyn has not said that unequivocally, he had said there and we'll be hearing from kit malthouse, one of the ten will be more conversations. you tory leadership contenders later in this programme. a lwa ys will be more conversations. you always wa nt will be more conversations. you a man in his 30s has been always want conversations, if there isa always want conversations, if there is a vote on a deal you would stabbed to death in a fight probably want it to be a better deal than the one you have now, but the in london. officers were called principle that the deal should go to warwick road between stratford and forest gate in east london back to the public is something he

in the early hours of the morning, articulated yesterday. after reports of a fight. the victim was found with stab why is keir starmer, tom watson, wounds and died in hospital. a postmortem is due to take place later. this programme has learned that other party members, increasingly hundreds of british teenagers are being sent by their parents coming out and sent it much stronger to east africa to avoid knife crime in the uk. than the party leadership? it is not that's according to representatives of the somali community. sound like there are unity? youjust of the 100 people stabbed to death in the uk so far this year, 8% were of somali heritage. parents told this programme cited that brexit shadow minister, they do not view the move the deputy leader, the leadership of as a long—term solution, the deputy leader, the leadership of the party are moving in that but said they'd taken the decision direction of saying we need a public for their children's safety. vote. there are some who think there needs women given faulty breast implants fear thousands of them may have to bea to pay back compensation, there are some who think there needs to be a change in the leadership if jeremy corbyn does not come out after visits by bailiffs strongly enough on this, make labour warning them of legal proceedings. the party of remain. i don't think there is any appetite for the in 2017, german safety body tuv rheinland was found liable leadership question at the moment. for the global pip implant scandal jeremy was elected and re—elected by and was ordered to make pay—outs to victims by a french court. a solid majority. i think it is about 13,000 victims who were awarded compensation have about how we move together to a been issued legal papers better position. would you like to see the labour party become the after the firm began an appeal. party of remain? i would like us to

win the principal in parliament that any deal should be put back to the two people have died after a man with a knife attacked public. i am sure if there is a new a group of school children waiting for a bus injapan. at least 18 people were injured referendum then labour will campaign in the attack, which happened to remain in the european union. on a residential street in kawasaki, south of tokyo. a twelve year old girl and a 39 year if there is a second referendum, old man were killed. police say the attacker, who was in his fifties, obviously labour would need to be died after stabbing himself. absolutely clear to let google data bea absolutely clear to let google data be a first referendum on the actual it might only be may, but gavin and stacey fans have deal. what would labour can painful? already got something to look forward to at christmas — as the hit bbc comedy is coming back for a one—off special. this deal, which is rather the award—winning series — which was co—written by co—stars different... this deal they have james corden and ruthjones — last aired on 1st january 2010. repeatedly had the chance to vote on this morning, corden tweeted a picture of the cover or vote against? or an improved deal of the script, telling fans "see of possible, that will go back to the public. this is brexit, do you you on christmas day." wa nt to the public. this is brexit, do you want to go ahead or not? the party leadership could not campaign for that deal, the deal they have voted against repeatedly in parliament?” have said we would be campaigning there you go. those are our headlines. something to look forward against that. a labour becomes the

to, joanna. that is exactly what i was about to party of remain? in that situation of course we would campaign to say, shaun. thank you very much. remain, rather than go ahead with a no—deal brexit would be political brexit. so why not save the other suicide, according to the foreign secretaryjeremy hunt, who is standing to be leader party of remain? if we are saying of the conservatives. other candidates — they are against a rotten deal on including esther mcvey, the former work and pensions secretary — they are against a rotten deal on are actively supporting the table, we think it should go to a no—deal option. the table, we think it should go to the public, of course we will not the conservatives came fifth in last week's european elections, behind the green party, campaignfor the public, of course we will not campaign for brexit, we will with less than 10% of the vote — and many leading conservatives feel campaign for brexit, we will campaign to remain. so why doesn't that advocating a hard brexit jeremy corbyn save the other party is the only way to see off a growing challenge of remain? it just from nigel farage's brexit party, which topped the polls. no fewer than ten conservative jeremy corbyn save the other party of remain? itjust feels like people mps have now declared keep tying themselves in not with that they want to be party leader — semantics. you are quibbling his alongside jeremy hunt and esther mcvey there's the home secretary sajid javid, health secretary matt hancock, exact wording. the policy applied former foreign secretary boris johnson, former leader of the house andrea leadsom, former brexit secretary dominic raab, has been constructive ambiguity, can international development secretary rory stewart, and the environment ambiguity ever be described as that? commentators have said that, not secretary michael gove. labour. this is why we haemorrhaged votes to the greens and the liberal democrats in the european elections, we we re democrats in the european elections, we were not clear enough in our

commitment to a public vote on any there may even be more to come. this morning, the housing deal. it was tucked away in our minister kit malthouse threw his hat into the ring. ma nifesto deal. it was tucked away in our manifesto but we did not articulate the 52—year—old has described himself as the new face, it very well, that inspire with fresh new ideas. criticism. when would you expect i've been talking to him. jeremy corbyn come forward and say we are going for a confirmatory i think we need to put some method vote, whatever you want to call it. into trying to find the space to he said if this —— yesterday. he did make some kind of change, otherwise, in effect, the eu is chosen no deal. not. he did, and he has written to we are not choosing no deal, we are choosing a deal that will respect labour mps to say the same. thank you, richard colbeck. oui’ choosing a deal that will respect our democracy, get the decision out still to come: women given faulty breast implants fear thousands of the line and passed the house of commons. the eu will decide whether of them may have to pay back compensation after visits they would see it as acceptable. but by bailiffs warning them of legal proceedings, we'll speak to some of these women. we have been around that helps... and what you would hope, wouldn't you, the uk is one of the great western democracies, we can talk to democratic allies in europe and say earlier this month we reported we need to make progress, you need that, so far this year, 100 people have been stabbed to respect our democracy, we want to to death in the uk. for one community in particular, accept your situation. we have been the crisis has become so acute that parents are deciding to send their teenagers to somalia, kenya and other doing that for three years. the parts of east africa —

dynamic has changed. how? it has for their own safety. this programme has been told that been abundantly clear to anybody hundreds of british teenagers paying attention to the debate here are being sent by their somali parents to parts of the world that and in europe that we have been for many years have been associated going around exactly the same issues with violence and chaos. our producer sean clare has been and nothing is changing. to kenya to track down some of those going around exactly the same issues and nothing is changingli going around exactly the same issues and nothing is changing. i think what has changed it's hopefully a who've swapped violence in london perception that the current backstop will not pass. so it is no deal on for a new life in africa. october 31? unless the eu chooses a if your child is involved in a gang and there's nowhere for him to hide, better deal, they may choose no you take him back to africa. deal. they set on the 29th of march, you know, it's safer it seems they are better prepared there than is in london. than us, because the full programme if you look a specific way was declared complete on the 29th of or you live in a different specific march, so it seems they have less to area and you're from a certain age, you are targeted and fear from no you will be stabbed. march, so it seems they have less to fearfrom no deal march, so it seems they have less to fear from no deal than we march, so it seems they have less to fearfrom no deal than we do? march, so it seems they have less to fear from no deal than we do? yes, and they may choose no deal and we my mum feels i'm much safer here need to be ready, so as well as than anywhere else in the world. trying to get movement on the withdrawal agreement or a new when you're a parent withdrawal agreement or a new sending your child back, withdrawal agreement, i think we it's a risk you're taking need an honest conversation about no but unfortunately some parents feel like it's also a risk leaving their kids deal, we need to be very transparent on the streets of london. about the preparations we put in as a somali community, we are the forgotten

place which are extensive, i had people, completely. done them as a minister in my department and i do not know why we have been so shy. we need to make how many of our children are in prison? sure small businesses ready and we i want to tell you... need an honest conversation about there are mothers now industries which will be affected, sending their teenagers back home saying it's much safer those people who say no deal would bea those people who say no deal would be a catastrophe and those who say to living in london. it will be a walk in the park are both wrong, it is somewhere in the middle. you are talking about lots of conversations and we have finite time, would you say to anybody supporting you, come what may, we will leave on october 31? i would so she said she took her son back to somaliland. not seek another extension? we heard he spent a year there. during that time he from theresa may that the 29th of acquired an education. he was a studious child again. march would definitely be the date we would leave, but that changed. he was teaching other children and he enjoyed his time. that has undermined peoples faith he actually said his preference considerably, amongst other things, and politicians that what it said was to stay in east africa. will be done. i have not voted for an extension at any point in this process. my view is we need to get in as good a shape as we possibly she brought him back can buy october 31, either by in november 2018. landing a deal, which is what the

he had been back in vast majority of mps want, or any coherent shape in no deal so if the the country forjust 17 days. eu elect to go for no deal that we are able to go over the line, as he received a text message from one of his... smoothly as we can, notwithstanding that it will be bumpy. for any prime from somebody she didn't know. he was in the middle of eating a meal. he put the meal down, minister to make guarantees about went outside and was stabbed. what will happen at the end of the he was stabbed four times. period, that ignores the fact that he's been completely traumatized by the experience, and the way in which he was stabbed maths in parliament are very was very traumatic. complicated. i was just they damaged his bladder, maths in parliament are very complicated. i wasjust about to say his kidneys, they did we are exactly where theresa may a properjob on him. was, and whichever of you ten all these organs have been candidates wins it will be exactly the same story. what with the damaged permanently. winning candidate have to do the thing that would have differently? what we have learned kept him safe was to stay from these european elections as in somalia for longer. there has to be decisive, clear she says, i have no doubt of that, 100% more safe than it is for my children in london. position. the european elections indicate that the country is hopelessly divided on this. the winning candidate has to credibly

say that i can bring a majority together, certainly a majority, to hammer out a deal that we know will pass the house of commons and then use the power of politics and our conversations with heads of state in europe to make sure we can do that, if not we need to honestly and one problem that they're all escaping that is universal carefully prepare for no deal, to all of them is violence. because we make it to a position so knife crime, gun crime, fighting, with the eu by rejecting a perfectly drug related issues. sensible deal, that the eu is effectively chosen no deal and london is not a war behalf. you say you are a new face zone, we know that. with fresh, new ideas, you are from but they are targeted from, if you look a specific way a new, talented generation. what is or you live in a different specific area and you are from a certain it about you that is so fresh and age, you are targeted and you will be stabbed. new? i am obviously fairly new to it's like an air strike that parliament, one of the criticisms happens in a country, levelled at me is that nobody knows for example, like israel. who i am. and despite the fact i have had 20 years of granular you don't know when it's going to land on you but experience, upfront with people as a are you going to say, counsellor and at city hall where i no, this air strike's not going to land on my house, was fighting crime for four years, i'm going to live. no, you're thinking, it can come any time for example, iam so i'm going to get out. was fighting crime for four years, for example, i am relatively new to so london is the same.

parliament, i was only elected in the mothers are saying, my son is 17, 18, his friends died 2015. critically, i have not been, i or they kill each other. i'm not waiting for that air strike guess, part of the leading cast of to come to my house. characters who have been struggling we're getting out of here. with this issue and not necessarily making progress. iand in those years that i was doing my a—levels, it was tough. with this issue and not necessarily making progress. i and the only person who this year decided to get why was it tough? off my backside and do something just seeing people being dropped about it, and try a new approach. every other day, being stabbed. it's not the place to be lots of mps have been stepping up for a teenager, i would say. and taking control of what has been i've lost close friends happening in parliament in different but there are people ways, but you came up with your in my neighbourhood, like, someone who i really proposal. just before we ran out of knew who lost his life. you grew up with them? time completely, how many mps yeah, yeah. support you? it is a white field, he got stabbed. that was one of the reasons that i came back here. there are ten of you, we will get to itjust opened my eyes. there are ten of you, we will get to the point with so many people it was just recently, declaring four different candidates that the numbers are not adding up, it wasjust before i came here. but how many have you got? we have when i see young adults, ijust see put out two names as a start—up, this 17—year—old that i was, there will be more coming in the walking around because i know days and weeks to come. he will what they're going through. if i can save one person, forgive me if i do not reveal the i will feel good about myself. total number yet, because part of the plan is we reveal names as they come, but i have had a number of i came out here when i was

people say i should have a go. by quite young actually. doing that it will make people think when the problems were you only have to tonight? got there at its peak, 17, 18. between 16 and 18 i came out here. will be more, give it time. the base because you are hopeful he will get one of the things i'll never forget more 01’ you and all of these guys will tell because you are hopeful he will get more or you definitely... we all had you is the fact that when you walk a duty to present a choice to in the streets, you don't have to look over your shoulder. members of the party and, frankly, the country, about who they want to the fact that when you're out and about, that you know you're not be prime minister. my view is that being targeted because at that age there was no way on earth someone be prime minister. my view is that someone from my generation of parliamentarians needs to step i could have easily walked forward and i think i'm doing so on into different areas of london. the basis of delivering unity and a but here i can travel in the city, plan, that is the choice i'm giving go visit wherever i want to, to colleagues. get in a cab or get on the back of a motorbike and, it was good. there are ten people standing so i felt a sense of freedom. far, there was speculation that but right now, for these kids james cleverly will stand, that it's life and death. would make it 11, that is enough to talk about. let's talk more about i had a good childhood, who the next leadership be. growing up it was lovely until i got to discuss this further, i'm joined by baroness ros altmann, to an age when i start getting a former tory minister who has in trouble with the police and whatnot. threatened to leave the party if it it stopped being fun. it started becoming about money. pursues a so—called hard brexit. everyone wants nice things. gary streeter, how are you going to get it?

the mp for south west devon, who voted for theresa may's deal do you want it the easy way or the hard way? three times but now says the party must leave on october 31 everyone wants the easy way. with or without a deal. selling drugs and robbing people, thank you both forjoining me. not working nine to five. before we get into the issues, to people don't want their friends seeing them stacking shelves, either of you have a candidate you no matter how many louis v belts wa nt to either of you have a candidate you want to name now as the next prime or whatnot you've got. if you're stacking shelves, you're just going to be known minister? first of all, ros? god no, as that guy that works a nine to five. we need to see which platform each abdul's been in and out will stand on and what conclusions of kenya a few times. he's escaped the crime, the violence in the uk. they need to come to. gary? i you name it, he's probably done it. when i came here, support esther mcvey, i think she it was a clean sheet. no one knew me. has the right person to deliver no one knows my history. there you have people that look brexiter and ben can a positive like you going after you, future for other country. esther you know what i mean? mcvey has said it would be political people look like you, that's the people you have to watch out for. people that are dressed like you. suicide where the tory party not to you're not worried about anyone else. leave the eu at the end of october. does your parents, do they feel for you, then, that means that you're safer here? yeah, 100%. potentially leaving without a deal, you would be happy with that?” my mum feels i'm much safer here than anywhere else in the world. think we would all prefer a deal, two weeks ago i was speaking to one but the message of last thursday's of the parents of one

of the young people, elections is that the country want and she said to me, now that my son is in africa, i sleep better at night. us elections is that the country want us to deliver brexit, we have known i said, why? this for sometime and there will be she said, because every time i hear a massive undermining of trust in police siren or if i hear sirens democracy if we do deliver brexit. i would think that the police have arrested my child or the ambulance we have had enough extensions, 315t is going to save my son that's been october is written in law and the stabbed to death or been shot. i said, ok, mum, what about now? difference between this time and tell me about the sirens. what happened last time and what she said, i can't even we're looking at in october, it is hear any sirens now. unlikely that parliament will find a way to stop the law taking effect on knife crime has literally threatened the fibre of the somali community. 315t october and is leaving without a deal, so i think has the right it has shaken us all. approach to say to we are going onto does the parent wait for her child to be killed? 315t of october, if you want to talk or does the parent take a decision, we will sit around the table, if quite a drastic decision to take him not, we are leaving anyway. that is all the way back to wherever that child is from originally? clear. ros altmann, what would you do in that context? you had said that he would leave the party if it pursued a hard brexit?” that he would leave the party if it pursued a hard brexit? i think gary is drawing exactly the wrong

conclusions from the results that we have seen. there was no majority my name is rakhia ismail. i'm a local councillor in islington mandate for a no deal departure. and i'm a mother of four. and i am a somali and i came here in london as a refugee some years ago. indeed, more people voted for parties that are against no deal at the end of the day, we are all parents and parents take the precedence of the safety than for either the brexit party or the ukip party or, indeed, the of the child. tories. the message from the there's two ways, either your child is in a gang, or your child being... electorate is increasingly they do innocently be killed, you know, not want to leave with no deal. they standing somewhere and he's been mistaken identity, are not want to leave with no deal. they a re clearly not want to leave with no deal. they are clearly concerned about the and it keeps on happening. impact of brexit. obviously you can say every five family, there's two families who took their children back home. everybody is reading into the results what they, too an extent, i mean, i have been working with somali parents for a very long wa nt to time and a lot of them have no clue results what they, too an extent, want to read into them. the hard what their sons are up to. political reality is that we are they have no idea. heading into a situation where on and they actually think their sons october 31 we will have to leave are doing really quite good, some of them. without a deal if there is no until then the day after they find agreement in place. how would you out their son is killed, stop that? you don't want it to their son is in prison,

their son is dealing drugs. happen, if there is a new leader of i mean, that's massive. the tory party saying that is the and as a somali community, path they would pursue, is there to be honest, and to be fair, we are the forgotten people. anything you could or would do to completely. stop it? the only democratic way forward is to go back to the british the child's been telling them people and ask them. there is no he's going to college, he's going to work, he's been doing deal on offer, gary is right, there this, he's been doing that and then was no one to negotiate with even if now all of a sudden there's a knock on the door by the police telling we get something that parliament them, 0k, whatever your child agrees. sorry to keep interrupting, has been telling you, that's not the case. as soon as i start seeing ijust want agrees. sorry to keep interrupting, i just want to be clear, people die in my area, agrees. sorry to keep interrupting, ijust want to be clear, go back to ijust thought, it's not worth it. the people, are you saying you would it could happen to me next. you understand ? resign as a conservative mp to try i could have been out on the streets to trigger a general election?” right now selling drugs. i'm thinking there's a better place. think any conservative who supports no deal is actually going to be i know now that kids in kenya, school is, they put that first. you understand ? they put education first because they think that that's what's going to take them out of slums and everything. when you get sent back to your country by your parents, i'm not going to lie to you, it's the worst feeling.

you're feeling like, it's feeling like you're going to prison. cos your mum's the judge, she sent you back. she knows how long you're going for. you can't come back until the judge has let you free, you understand? when you're a parent sending your child back, it's a risk you're taking. it's a risk you're taking, but unfortunately some parents feel like it's also a risk leaving their kids in the streets of london. it starts with your child being excluded from school. and that's the pipeline, of, you know, from exclusion into pupil referral units. and then the next thing you know is your child is dealing drugs. parents don't know how to deal with this. this is not something they've encountered before. this is a british problem and it's a problem that we've fallen into. the new community that has come from the horn of africa,

or from anywhere in africa, they've come because they fled conflict, war. they have come without a strong educational background themselves. our mums have got limited english and they are being forced now to takejobs, odd jobs cleaning, and maybe carers, yeah? and they are away most of the time with theirfamilies, so the younger children took over a lot of parenting from their parents. you're talking about the somali community or the black ethnic minority community in general. nobody cares. she said there was an example of a young boy who lived in west london, who had asked to be taken back home and she said the day they booked his plane ticket was the day that he was killed. he was born here. he's brought up here, why should he have to go on a plane all the way to east africa when actually his home is here? so it's not the answer.

but these are desperate parents. they want their children to live. it's a life and death situation, literally. it's survival. let's speak now to jamal hassan who you saw there in kenya. also here is rhoda ibrahim a somali single mother who works with other british somali mums. and awale elmi who came to the uk from somaliland as a child and now runs community organisation rise projects. welcome all of you and thank you so much forjoining us. why do you think this is becoming such an issue? as we saw in the video, reports that were produced by the bbc this year showed 100 people were stabbed in the uk, eight of those we re stabbed in the uk, eight of those were from the somali community. the general population of the somali community is less than 1%. so clearly, there is a huge disproportionality when it comes to the somali community but also there

are other issues as well, for example, a lot of young people are carrying knives because of defensive reasons, a lot of them have had a lot of adverse childhood experiences. there's also a lot of issues around drug dealing and anti—social behaviour that needs to be addressed. what is it specifically about the somali community that is making them be effected in this particular way?” mean, as you know, knife crime isn't something that specifically happens to the somali community, it happens across the uk as we've seen over the last couple of years but more so in the somali community we've seen a large cohort of young people who have been stamped because this is largely the result of what's known as this goes to prison pipeline for as this goes to prison pipeline for a lot of young somali people are being excluded from schools, they are having a lot of contact with the criminal justice system are having a lot of contact with the criminaljustice system early on, they arejoining criminaljustice system early on, they are joining gangs for example. and they are also being groomed as well and that's one of the results of the shocking statistics that

we've seen. rhoda, as we heard in our report, the stance a lot of pa rents a re our report, the stance a lot of parents are taking is to decide it's obviously a risk if you are sending your child to live in another country because you are then not directly with them but it's a better option than having them here? definitely, yes. mums, most muslim mums are the ones who at the end of the day have to become the basis from both sides, and they cannot deal with it for so many reasons here. first because they don't speak much english and they have got large families and they feel sending them, those who can afford it, is going to be one of the solutions. at least they can sleep in the night and not worry about it. in the video, jamal

said they can sleep, when you hear the siren, either it's the police of the siren, either it's the police of the ambulance so in order to save the ambulance so in order to save the younger ones, they feel they have to send those in trouble back home. so as long as there are sirens outside, a mother is hearing them, it's going to make that mother worry and you are saying it's better in that context to send a child away? yes. that's a problem of integration in the area. the somali community is one of the youngest communities here who came here as refugees and there isa who came here as refugees and there is a youth integration problem that we are facing now. still facing actually. it's a solution, a temporary solution. it's a solution to take them out for a period until the child becomes much old enough.

jamal, you were sent back, won't you? and we were hearing in our report one person saying it feels like you are going to prison and your mum is thejudge, how did it feel to you when you were sent back, how long were you sent back for?” was only sent back for a few months but in my case it's a bit different and this is why i encourage families. if you decide to send your child back make sure it's willingly, sit down with them and talk to them and make them understand that it's better for you to go to africa to see what we escaped so you understand the opportunities that you have here in the uk. in my case, i spoke to my parents, they said there's problems in and around your life, let's go to africa, see your family, your cousins, extended family, your cousins, extended family, see what they are going through and then you can decide what you want to do with your life when you want to do with your life when you come back to the uk. however, what other families to which are really discouraged, is taking the child and saying to them, we are going on holiday and leaving the child there are dumping them there because what happens is, that a

child, although his left crime in the uk he feels some sort of neglect from those. that's a whole host of other problems. how often is that happening? it's very difficult to say because i don't think research has been done, with every five families i think two are sending their children back but what's important to note is that is it safer to keep them here or is it better to force them and preserve life, that's the decision the family has to make. not easy decisions, rhoda, but how much do you think, how many conversations are happening in the way they jamal says they should be? so that a child being sent away absolutely understands how and what the reasons are. the parent line organisation, parents come to us line organisation, parents come to usa line organisation, parents come to us a lot of times for advice. it's

always sending back coming over and overagain, finding a always sending back coming over and over again, finding a solution. there isn't many systems that can support what the parents are facing that problem. it comes back a lot. it's top of the discussion, always. sending back. and it's those who have the money to send back, and maybe the parent has somewhere to centre. how much of a solution is it, do the kids, 20 kids come back and do they all back change?” it, do the kids, 20 kids come back and do they all back change? i mean, going back to africa and somalia and other parts of east africa, it's obviously had a very good impact on a lot of the young people going there, they learn a sense of culture, they come back understanding, you know, that they had a good opportunity to be here in the uk where there are a lot of privileges such as education, work, and all these different things that doesn't necessarily happen or those opportunities might not necessarily be in east africa. in terms of the

long term solutions, i think we also need to consider why these things are happening and i think, a lot of local authorities and also statutory service providers, need to engage the somali community better. jamal, briefly, in the long term, is this an answer, when it comes to issues around integration? i mean, it's sending a problem away but is it really dealing with it? again, it's very difficult to say but however, i do think it is better, or it is important to send your kids back, the reason being is that if we look at other families from different walks of life, their kids travel to different parts of the world to study, students travel around the world so that travelling broadens your sort of knowledge and you appreciate life when you are outside so appreciate life when you are outside so in terms of somali adults or young people, ithink so in terms of somali adults or young people, i think it is important to send them back to show them who they are so they can learn about their identity but at the same

time, it has to be done correctly, it has to be done willingly, both parties need to agree on going back. thank you all very much indeed for joining us. thank you. do you remember the pip implant scandal? pip was a french company that was found to be making breast implants from non—medical grade silicon giving them a much higher rupture rate. more than 300 thousand women are thought to be affected. now some british women who received pay—outs have had bailiffs on the doorstep warning them of an appeal which may mean they have to pay back the money they got. that's because the german regulatory body which certified the implants and was ordered to pay the compensation is now appealing the decision. we can speak now to sarah higginson from andover who said visits from bailiffs has left her feeling unwell and amanda carterfrom kettering, who is helping to lead the fight forjustice for the women who've been affected. sarah, tell us first of all what happened with the letters? yes, over a period of time i've had two lots

of letters from royal mail and on the third occasion i actually had letters from an anonymous person that was claiming they were working on behalf of the french courts and yes, massive lot of paper here that was sent on three occasions which is really not great. it's obviously been going on a long time for you because you actually initially had the breast implants in 2008 and you started legal action in 2014. you got your compensation pay—out in 2017 and i think you were awarded £3000. so how do you feel now that this is still going on? well, i mean, after the award we had the legal expenses incurred as well, so all in all i agreed to pay, i got over £2000 which didn't cover half of the surgery i got done in 2008.

it's left me feeling really upset, really emotional, anxious, i'm just concerned about the future and what is going to happen next. and who's going to turn up at my doorstep, really. tell us more about that. you had the bailiffs on your doorstep. what was that like? yes. it was a shock, really. ianswered what was that like? yes. it was a shock, really. i answered the door. they really wouldn't give me that much information, they gave me the papers which were actually unopened, they weren't in any envelope whatsoever. they just they weren't in any envelope whatsoever. theyjust explained that they were issuing them to me and i needed to take action, read them carefully a nd needed to take action, read them carefully and potentially someone would be in touch. that's all i've heard. but still, the fact remains that it's happened on three occasions now with the paperwork and it's doing absolutely nothing for my anxiety, my mental well—being etc. it's just disgraceful. anxiety, my mental well—being etc. it'sjust disgraceful. would you give the money back? to get this

over and done? well, ideally, i would like to have the surgery and have them fully replaced, i've got no intention of giving that money back to anybody unless it's actually legitimate that we need to. ijust think personally they are scaremongering all the victims. and that's how i feel at the moment so i won't be paying the money back until there is definitely a formal communication either way from the person looking after the case. amanda, how many people are affected, help many people have had bailiffs knocking on the door, do you know? around 13,000 claimants in the uk and ireland that are part of this court action. we anticipate that every single one will have received the papers. they may not be received the papers. they may not be received at their current address as some are being sent to previous addresses because the lawyers have not updated the change of address as a court level. that's unacceptable.

the company is appealing and therefore that's why they are saying they shouldn't have paid out the compensation and it should come back in the meantime. what is your view on that? no, i mean at the end of the day somebody needs to be made accountable. these implants were full of industrial grade silicon, similarto full of industrial grade silicon, similar to the type filled in mattress pillar, this company put a certification on these implants which basically said to the entire world that these are safe to be put into our bodies. so they should be held responsible. and there shouldn't be any talk of repayment of any shouldn't be any talk of repayment ofany interim shouldn't be any talk of repayment of any interim until the case is finalised. so this is obviously going to potentially go on for some time longer. what are your concerns? firstly, these papers should never have been issued at all, the legal representatives who is a gentle man

has failed to register in the court of appeal as our representative. had he done so then these letters would never have come out to us. ultimately we need him to move a step forward and represent us in court, we want someone to be held responsible and we want this done in the shortest time possible, it could get resolved in the next 12 months, it could take another three or four years, maybe even longer. amanda and sarah, thank you so much and just to say tina has e—mailed us saying i had these implants in 2007 aged 46, when asking the surgeon a consultation about how safe they we re consultation about how safe they were he said you could drive a car over them and they would not burst. and i asked how long they would last he told me my life time. i received the interim payment in 2014, i've also received court papers via ebay live, it is disgraceful the way we are being treated. thank you for that comment and keep your comments coming in if that is something you have been affected by.

back to our main story today — the fallout from the european election results. we've been following a group of voters for nearly a year now, through the twists and turns of brexit. let's catch up with some of them now. gp dr anwara ali is a member of the conservative party. she thinks that only borisjohnson can unite the country. ghulam asghar usually supports labour, but voted liberal democrat this time because he wants a second referendum. he says brexit is to blame for losing hisjob in the financial sector. jake gregory is a manager at a cabinet manufacturer in burnley. he voted for the brexit party because he wants politicians to deliver on the result of the 2016 referendum. and joining us from germany is sabine voigt. she left britain last year because of brexit, having lived here for two decades. she voted for the german green party in the european elections. welcome to all of you, thank you, your all members of our brexit panel and we've got very significant developments to put to you and find

out how you are thinking right now. you think it's got to be boris now, the tory leadership contest is under way. yes, the reason i think it should be boris is because he fronted the brexit campaign and 52 million people voted for that, it has to be somebody who believes that we can achieve brexit and that there isa we can achieve brexit and that there is a bright future outside europe which i believe. personally. ithink it has to be boris. he's got to big up it has to be boris. he's got to big up the country. if you take a look at what happened in australia, the australian prime minister, we've got to start picking up the country, we can't go to europe and think we cannot get a deal, we can and we will. you don't want a prime minister that will go back to brussels with his or her tail between their legs. you believe it is possible to get something different out of brussels? it's either something different or no deal. and so you wouldn't be worried about the prospect of no deal? i'm not worried. in the faintest. at

all. i think no deal will be complete suicide, financial suicide. i think no brexit has been actually more suicide so far for some political parties that are refusing to get behind it. what do you think it would be suicide? from what i've seen so it would be suicide? from what i've seen so far, since it's been announced, we had this referendum two or three years ago, from the financial sector, i've seen a massive decline in the markets, i've seena massive decline in the markets, i've seen a slowdown in the property market, i've seen properties going into negative equity. i've seen people going through redundancy, and i'm one of the victims myself, he's been given notice that i've got literally three months to find and you say that's directly the result of brexit? yes, you see what happened is we don't have consumers, people are nervous. the financial sector is directly or indirectly linked to the property market. when the property market slows down it

has an effect on people like us. and obviously, businesses, businesses are banks, they are there to make money as well, fight with they pay their employers when they are struggling to generate revenue? we have to look at individual cases but if you look at the uk on a whole, investment, lowest unemployment. lowest unemployment in 17 years, growth in terms of women's employment that's gone up. we got low inflation. and if you look at when we have the brexit referendum, you had all the political pundits and all the posters saying that actually remain will get in, this is actually remain will get in, this is a huge fear that was spread by remain but actually, if you look at it, what's happened since then, the markets recovered, we have had growth and the situation we are in now, we've got the 31st of october on the horizon, what do you wa nt to october on the horizon, what do you want to happen, what got to come

out of europe, it would be the suicide of democracy. this country is looked upon by the rest of the world, the mother of all parliaments we have to deliver brexit, make a su ccess we have to deliver brexit, make a success of it. we are going to be getting a new leader of the tory party, who will be the prime minister, would you like to see, is that a democratic situation for you, to have a new unfiltered prime minister, an elected prime minister who can take us out? the party will elect him. and you know and we say no deal, we are trading at this moment in time, 66% of the world as wto terms. let me bring in sabine, as we've said, you're left really quickly after the referendum around the referendum. are you glad you left when you did? yes, we left in october last year so not really that quickly after the referendum. we we re quickly after the referendum. we were sticking in there, hoping for the best but the countryjust

changed beyond imagination and as an eu national i was directly affected. living with my british husband. it was quite a difficult time, going back to that old mantra of we have to deliver on brexit, if you look carefully at the european parliament election and how people have voted, out of i don't know how many millions of people who voted, it was 34.9% who voted definitely pro—brexit. 40.3% voted definitely unambiguously remain. the brexit party, we had 5.2 million people voted for the brexit party, if you wonderfor the voted for the brexit party, if you wonder for the rest of the so—called betrayed 17.4 million are, i think it has really shifted the mood has shifted. on that point, do you think

there should be, things should be put back to the people? referendum is always going to be close, it was designed to be close, if the path from the start was clear, if a full 70-30 from the start was clear, if a full 70—30 we wouldn't have needed a referendum. because it was so close, the government needed instruction, that's why they were so clear to say we will definitely carry out, there is something interesting to say. can i point out we've had three votes, in 2016, we voted to leave, in 2017, the conservative party which believed in leave, we voted again and we've just had the european elections. we are out of time, thank you all so much. thank you for your company today. bbc newsroom life is next, see you tomorrow, have a great afternoon. goodbye.

hello, good morning. we had quite a few showers this morning, particularly across central and eastern parts of the uk. we've seen rather threatening clouds with that as well, this scene in lincolnshire, the clouds look like they're going to deliver a bit of a down port very soon. those showers will continue across central and eastern parts as we go through this afternoon, further west, still a few showers around, going to be largely dry across wales, south—west england, northern ireland and much of western scotland. temperatures here around 14-19d, scotland. temperatures here around 14—19d, further eased a little bit chillier, especially down north sea coast, northern scotland, temperatures around 10—11d. through tonight, the shower easing, lots of clear skies in scotland, north—eastern parts of england, allowing temperatures to drop down to 4-5d. allowing temperatures to drop down to 4—5d. further west more cloud moving in, this rain quite patchy, spreading north eastwards across many parts of the uk throughout wednesday. quite a grey and overcast day. temperatures between 13 and 17

degrees. goodbye. you're watching bbc newsroom live. i'm shaun ley. it's11am and these are the main stories this morning. tory leadership candidate jeremy hunt warns that pushing for a no—deal brexit would be ‘political suicide' for his party. i want to solve the brexit crisis we are in and i am worried that if we don't solve it, we will face a political crisis that is far bigger, actually, than our legal relationship with the european union. it could lead to the destruction of our party system and the end of my own party. pressure grows on labour leader

jeremy corbyn to change his party's policy on another brexit referendum. two people — including a 12—year—old girl — have died in a knife attack on a group of schoolchildren at a bus stop injapan.