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a no—deal brexit. more senior labour members have admitted voting for other parties in the european election. it follows the expulsion of alastair campbell yesterday for backing the liberal democrats. the former home secretary charles clarke said he, too, had voted lib dem. bob ainsworth, a former defence secretary, said he'd voted for the greens. hello, it's wednesday, it's ten the chinese firm huawei has warned that the us‘s decision to put o'clock, i'm joanna gosling. them on a trade blacklist will harm the commons speaker, john bercow, billions of customers. is going to stay in hisjob. washington recently added huawei to a list of companies that he says the momentous events us firms cannot trade in parliament mean it's with unless they have a licence. right for him to stay. they say the telecoms company he's been accused of is a national security threat because of its close links to the chinese government. huawei denies the allegation. an anti—brexit bias. is it isita is it a no—no for a no—deal brexit, after speaker boco says mps must have the final say on weather we legislation paving the way quit without a deal. for a new referendum on scottish independence is to be published at holyrood. there are now 11 candidates constitutional relations secretary mike russell to replace theresa may, will give a statement to msps with james cleverly the latest to declare. on wednesday afternoon on the "next and we'll be talking to one of them, steps on scotland's future". rory stewart, who's been campaigning this will include details in a rather unorthodox way. hi, this is rory. of the bill and of plans for a "citizens‘ assembly" i'm now in the slightly absurd to discuss brexit and independence. setting of kew gardens and i'm
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here partly because as a dfid game of thrones star minister, we're doing some very interesting work with cocoa plants. kit harington has checked but it's also actually an amazing reminderfor me, into a wellness retreat in the us, after the conversations yesterday in borough market and barking, reportedly for stress. just what amazing things we have in this country and how much we can the actor who played jon snow be if we can come together. in the popular series we'll be talking to him was working on "some personal about his campaigning style and what he wants to see happen. issues", his publicist told the bbc. in a recent interview, the 32 year old actor said he experienced "a huge heave 11 english councils have been warned of emotion" after filming the final they could use up all their reserves scenes of game of thrones, of cash if they continue spending which he worked on for eight series. at their current rate. an australian teenager who broke and councils are warning of a crisis an egg on a controversial far—right senator's head says he has given almost £55,000 to survivors in funding adult social care. of the christchurch mosque attacks. they had agreed to a residential will connolly, 17, egged home, so he will have 24—hour care provided, by clinically trained fraser anning in march, staff that specifically deal with dementia, learning difficulties, down's and severe brain injuries. prompting people online to dub him we were told back in the end ofjuly "egg boy" and flood him with donations to pay that we had got that placement his legal expenses. police chose not to press and then the next day, we were told that funding had been any charges last month. cut and we couldn't have it. and katie wilding was 21 mr connolly has since announced that he's transferred "all moneys" when her body was found to new zealand charities in charge
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near her ex—partner‘s in 2016 of official fundraising efforts. after a drug overdose. that is a summary of our main news she told police he had threatened to kill her. today, back now to you, joanna. he actually passed me my phone, and said, "go on, call the police, then." i was like, "0k." the commons speaker, john bercow is staying in hisjob., i was about to do it, and he was, that's what he's told the guardian newspaper this morning. like, "let's see how his decision is likely to infuriate fast they can get here. conservative mps who believe because by the time they get mr bercow is biased against brexit. here, i'll kill you." meanwhile, the race to become conservative leader katie's mum tells us why and prime minister now has she now wants a full an 11th candidate. james cleverly, the brexit minister, domestic homicide review is now a candidate. we'll be talking to another candidate, rory stewart, in a moment, but let's get into her daughter's death. the latest from our political guru norman smith. so, norman, what impact potentially doesjohn so, norman, what impact potentially does john bercow‘s decision so, norman, what impact potentially doesjohn bercow‘s decision to stay on have? well, at the simplest hello and welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. level, i think it will infuriate the do get in touch on all the stories brexiteers because they viewjohn we're talking about — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy bercow as someone brexiteers because they viewjohn bercow 3s someone who brexiteers because they viewjohn bercow as someone who is implacably opposed to brexit, doing his best to for us to contact you and maybe want to take part in the programme, scupper brexit. in reality, it please include your phone number in your message. probably means more parliamentary first, anita has the news. shenanigans, all sorts of good morning. there is growing difficulties for a government trying
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to push through brexit because mr evidence of the financial pressures bercow has been pretty clear, he on english councils. bbc analysis wa nts to bercow has been pretty clear, he has identified 11 local authorities wants to make sure backbenchers, mps, have a decisive role in shaping which were warned last year they brexit. the other thing which risked exhausting their cash matters about john bercow‘s reserves. in a separate report, the intervention is his suggestion that institute for fiscal studies says there is no way any prime minister spending on council services has can hope to take britain out of the been cut by more than a fifth over eu without a deal. in other words, a the past nine years. councils have been trying to protect care services clear warning to the no deal tory for adults and children. the leadership candidates that they can government says it will set out the forget about that because, if they wa nt to forget about that because, if they want to leave without an agreement, forms —— reforms for the social care they will have to get the backing of parliament. and we know already, the system at the earliest opportunity. the health secretary matt hancock told the bbc the approach to social overwhelming majority of mps are ca re told the bbc the approach to social care needs to change. i've already implacably opposed to no deal. so it talked about the different ways of seems to me to significantly reduce making sure we have a properly the prospect of any future tory funded social care system in the leaderjust being the prospect of any future tory leader just being able the prospect of any future tory leaderjust being able to leave on sist leaderjust being able to leave on 31st october come what may. and for long term, firstly making sure there is more money up front, and i have labour, the issue today that they're dealing with is the ongoing fallout secured an extra almost £1 billion, from alastair campbell revealing that he voted lib dems and as a going into social care, so there is result has been expelled from the 110w going into social care, so there is party, tom watson has now come in now almost 10% more money in social with some strong comments on this?
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care, there is increasing demand, we have put more money in, but we need it is an expulsion which seems to me a solution for the long—term wear, to be entirely self—defeating, given instead of this the backlash team corbyn have year by year process, we all know and can plan with confidence. the suffered, most obviously because it has been compared and contrasted with the way mr corbyn has dealt speaker of the house of commons has with the way mr corbyn has dealt confirmed he won't stand down while with allegations of anti—semitism. but because we are now getting other there are what he described as momentous events taking former senior labour figures say on, place in parliament. hang on, yes, in the last elections i voted liberal democrat, too. are mr bercow you going to expel me as well? and was understood last year to have told friends now tom watson entering the fray, that he would quit this summer. his comments — to the guardian — saying, we need to have an amnesty are likely to infuriate some 00:04:33,943 --> 2147483051:39:01,687 conservative mps who believe 2147483051:39:01,687 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 he wants to prevent for everyone who voted for other parties, this is now sinking into the politics of intolerance. the picture i am left with is that both parties at the moment seem to be blu ntly parties at the moment seem to be bluntly turning in on themselves at a time when the electorate are desperate for some sort of clarity and resolution to brexit. thank you very much, norman. conservative mp rory stewart has a very unusual cv for someone
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running to be the next prime minister. he has less than a month of cabinet experience, but plenty of experience outside of politics. he has served in iraq and afghanistan, been a professor at harvard and tutored prince william and harry. for his campaign, he's taken an unusual approach, popping up in public places, videoing himself and inviting people to come and talk to him. here he was yesterday in west london. hi, this is rory. i am now in the slightly absurd setting of kew gardens. i am here partly because, as a dfid minister, we're doing some very interesting work with cocoa plants, but it's also actually an amazing reminder for me, after the conversations yesterday in borough market and barking, just what amazing things we have in this country and how much we can be if we can come together. that was rory stewart yesterday in kew gardens. he has taken off his
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coat and he is in the studio with us now. good morning. i guess we should start withjohn now. good morning. i guess we should start with john bercow. now. good morning. i guess we should start withjohn bercow. does that change things? it does, it means that if you want to get brexit done, asi that if you want to get brexit done, as i want to get brexit done, you're going to have to talk about getting a deal through parliament, so this idea that we could somehow deliver no deal becomes less and less likely. people pushing for no—deal brexit, it sounds like a quick thing, it is unfortunately a recipe for delay, and we need certainty and we need to get it done and that means working with parliament. so as far as you're concerned, any candidate who says we are going for no deal, we must leave the eu come what may on 31st october, which obviously means leaving without a deal, if there is no deal, then they are not telling the truth to voters but this is the thing, it is a challenging thing to explain because when people hear no deal, it sounds like a very decisive, quick thing, we arejust going like a very decisive, quick thing, we are just going to be out. the reality is, parliament isn't going to let that happen. so, the way to do this has to be through
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parliament. what you are going to look for is a leader who can negotiate, who can be nimble, who doesn't have red lines and who can bring parliament behind them. doesn't have red lines and who can bring parliament behind themm sounds like back to the future, this is exact what theresa may was trying to do, what has changed, with whoever takes over? you're absolutely right, there are no magic bullets, and if there were, it would have been done two years ago. you have been done two years ago. you have to unlock the debate in parliament and i think the way to do it is to follow ireland, which did this amazing citizens is amply around abortion. they put citizens to ta ke around abortion. they put citizens to take expert evidence and consider it and unlock the problem. then you go back to parliament. and i think we could get it done by october but the way to do it is to be serious about listening to parliament and reaching across. you think you can get it done by october... i was going to ask you about the timing. whoever takes over as new leader, it is unlikely they will be in place untiljuly, then there is the summer recess which leaves effectively six weeks of parliamentary time before
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that deadline of 31st october, how on earth could a citizens assembly be brought together in that time and somehow come up with a formula that no—one else has hit upon to unlock parliament? i'm not saying any of this is easy and i don't want to minimise the difficulties but i think of the options available, the only one in the end that could work is to take it through parliament because this is a country whose constitution is governed by parliament, and anybody who believes they have a shortcut which does not involve parliament unfortunately is wrong. so what you're looking for is negotiation. the reason for this is that we have to get brexit done because then we have got to go on and talk about things that matter. 0ne and talk about things that matter. one point in this thing, i know you're going to be talking about social care, that is another example of something where party politics and parliament is stopping us resolving probably the most important issue in our lives, which is how we look after elderly and vulnerable people. that is a really good example of how we need to reach cross— party good example of how we need to reach cross—party agreement, get a national conversation and solve the greatest issue after the nhs. so in
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terms of how brexit gets resolved, in orderfor everybody to terms of how brexit gets resolved, in order for everybody to move on and look at other other issues, you've ruled out, have you, extending article 50? you've ruled out, have you, extending article 50 ?|j you've ruled out, have you, extending article 50? i have com pletely extending article 50? i have completely ruled out a no deal but i am not setting any other red lines. what i am saying to you and to the british people is that i really want to get this done and i want to be judged on getting it done.“ to get this done and i want to be judged on getting it done. if you're rolling out no deal and you're not ruling out article 50, is an extension going to be inevitable because if you want there to be reflection and proper thought given to something that has confounded everybody for the last three years, six weeks is not going to do it, is it? unfortunately, you're right. if i can't get that done on time, we're going to have to drive it through parliament at that means that if you face that choice at the end between trying to do no deal, which you can't do, parliament would itself push for an extension, that is the reality, regardless of who is prime minister, that is what we have just heard withjohn bercow coming in, parliament would push for an
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extension. that's why we knew to push on and get it done. we can't pretend there is some magic but it would means we can get it done without an extension. you have said you wouldn't serve under the leadership of boris johnson, you wouldn't serve under the leadership of borisjohnson, that was quite personal, then you broadened it out, tell us what your personal red lines are in terms of who you would be prepared to serve alongside? you or me or anybody working in an organisation needs to feel that their principles work with them. if i was going to be foreign secretary or international development secretary for a prime minister that was claiming that we could get brexit done through no deal, i would could get brexit done through no deal, iwould have could get brexit done through no deal, i would have to politely say i could not be part of that. as i have just explained, parliament is not going to let no deal through. the phrase has been used to describe you, i know you don't like it, suicide bomber, it has been suggested that you are standing effectively as a tactical candidate to try to thwart borisjohnson and lead to a situation where michael gove comes in. i know that you have
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absolutely said you don't like the phrase, you also are standing on principle. ultimately, it seems your principal is to fight against no deal. what shape would that take, if you don't get the leadership and if a candidate who is in favour of no deal actually got it? my principle is three things, it is to get brexit done, defeatjeremy corbyn, reunify the country. but the way to get brexit done is through parliament and a dealand brexit done is through parliament and a deal and anyone who suggests otherwise it is mistaken. but i am in this to win and one thing which is so important is to take this outside of the bubble of conservative mps and encouraging your listeners to write into their mps, to make sure that they see the truth, which is the way to get brexit done and the way to beat corbyn and unify the country is not to try to outdo nigel farage, it is to try to outdo nigel farage, it is to appeal to all the optimism and common sense in the country, to appeal to the centre ground of british politics and say that this is an extraordinary country which could be so much better provided we
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stop shouting at each other and dividing into party politics. how many mps do you have supporting you? i've got a big announcement they're not revealing my full number because there are many that i still have to win overan there are many that i still have to win over an the way that i will do thatis win over an the way that i will do that is by getting out on the streets communicating with people and encouraging your listeners to write to their mps... and encouraging your listeners to write to their mps. .. how can you win them over by getting out and talking to people in kew gardens? don't you need to be talking to the mps? because what matters to the mps i hope is a betterfuture for this country and the way to get a better future for this country, brutally, is to win an election. and i think i am the candidate in this rate which is best able to communicate with younger voters, with people in unusual areas, i was in barking, i was in lewisham, i am going to warrington and wigan today, communicating in marginal seats, warrington and wigan today, communicating in marginalseats, in labour seats, showing that i can win those voters back so that we can protect the country and do the thing which i really want to talk about today which is elderly and social
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care. one commentator has said you're definitely the most popular candidate with people who have never voted tory? and again and again i am hearing people say on, he is the tory i would vote for. that is potentially 6 million voters. it is important to unify the country. we must get young people voting for us again. the lesson from what we have just seen from the european elections, is it not that this is not appealing to the tories? we have to come together as a country. if we accept that we are a polarised, divided country, we are going to end up divided country, we are going to end up like the united states. but that's exactly what theresa may was trying to do, it is whatjeremy corbyn has been trying to do, keep on—board traditional voters by trying to appeal to both sides of the brexit debate — it's not happening? answer is i am very different, i hope you feel, to theresa may and jeremy corbyn. i am not somebody anybody would call a professional politician.|j not somebody anybody would call a professional politician. i have been in iraq and in afghanistan, i am coming to this fresh, not somebody
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