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hello, i'm a hello, i'm 3 ben bland with bbc world news. our top story: murmuration ‘s have taken place in northern france marking 75 years since dd happened. the leaders of britain, france, and the united states gathered to commemorate those who gave their lives in the normandy landings injune who gave their lives in the normandy landings in june 1944. hundreds attended events. dozens of lawyers have conducted a silent march through the streets of hong kong to protest against plans to allow people to be extradited to mainland china. in this story is trending on bbc .com. two extra time errors from england have given the netherlands a dramatic victory in the nations league semi—final. they will now face portugal in the final in porto on sunday. that is all. stay with us on bbc news.
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let me bring you up—to—date with some of the main stories in the uk. the car maker, ford, has confirmed plans to close its plant in bruges next year. they claim huge changes in the industry and insisted the decision was not connected to brexit. workers at bridgend, which employs 1700 people, so that they received a letter sending that they would lose their jobs received a letter sending that they would lose theirjobs by september 2020. it's been a turbulent few years for workers at this plant. many had feared this news could come, but not quite so soon. at lunchtime today they were sent home. we have been told we will have support, but what that means we don't know. the thing is quite a lot of us relocated from southampton to bridgend. when they shut the place there's not going to be anything left, is there. since it opened in the 1980s, the bridgend factory has been the biggest employer in this area. but the company says customer demand for the type of engines made here has fallen,
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and it hasn't been able to find additional work. ford announced in january that 1000 jobs would be lost. today, they said the plant will close completely by the end of 2020. union leaders said the workforce felt abandoned. i think what they have done is condition a lot of the workers to feel that it's going to go one day. that's what it feels like. but when that day does happen, like today, it is a devastating blow. the impact of these job losses will be felt in the wider community too, including at this local cafe. i do quite a bit of business with ford, and to sever that, to take it away will leave a big, big black hole. and for those directly affected, like car worker graham rees, tonight is a time to reflect. there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
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you have just got to face the truth and the truth hurts. for a0 years ford has been a bedrock in the economic landscape of bridgend. it offered well—paid, highly skilled jobs in a town where they are in short supply. replacing them will be a challenge. tonight the car park is deserted, marking the end of another dark day for the british car industry. sian lloyd, bbc news, bridgend. the inquest into the deaths following the london bridge terror attack, the wife of the ringleader, khuram butt broke down in court saying that even after two years she could not look at pictures of the victims. she said she would not go on holiday to turkey with him fearing he would take them to syria. just hours before he led the london bridge attack, khuram butt with his family. but after lunch that day, he walked out of the family
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home and they never saw him again. his widow, zahrah rehman, told the inquest... "he didn't kiss my son. he didn't kiss my daughter. hejust went." that evening, while she was out for a family meal, he returned to the flat with the other two killers, making his final preparations for the murders at london bridge. zahrah rehman told the court that when she got back to the flat that night all the lights were on and the back door was open. she was furious and started texting her husband but she said, obviously by that time, he wasn't even alive. eight people had just been killed, the three attackers were themselves shot dead. the next day she was told that one of them was her husband. "i could not register it," she said, "that i was living with him, and he was in the same house as me and my kids, and how could he do that? even now, it's been like two years, and i've not been able to look at the victims‘ pictures." his word was the truth to them, so they let him go. khuram butt and zahrah rehman
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had married in 2013. she said he was charismatic, confident, funny, but her husband was spending time with the extremist anjem choudary, and calling her an unbeliever. when khuram butt booked a family holiday to turkey, she worried he was going to take them to syria. "i said, you can book us a holiday anywhere, but i'm not going to turkey," zahrah rehman told the court. "it led to people in my family taking my passport, his passport, and my son's passport away, just to protect us." at one point, butt‘s brother—in—law even called the anti—terrorist hotline but nobody thought he would attack britain. zahrah rehman said that in the aftermath she had secretly joined other londoners laying flowers at the bridge. daniel sandford, bbc news, at the old bailey. the conservative leadership candidate sajid javid has said he would choose to leave the eu without a deal if the alternative was no brexit. the home secretary said britain cannot keep delaying, but he
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added that parliament was sovereign and he wouldn't force no deal through against the will of mps. football, and the england man's team have been overwhelmed by the netherlands tonight in the semi—final of the nations league. it was 1—1 win the game went to extra time, but the netherlands proved too strong for gareth southgate‘s site, winning 3—point line. natalie pirks reports from northern portugal. the weather today has been distinctly english. unfortunately, so has some of the behaviour. last night in porto, a vocal minority were throwing bottles at locals and police, resulting in two arrests. when you see the state of some of the people drunkenly singing the national anthem, it's not patriotically mate embarrassing. before the rain began, many fans felt let down again. we are not here for trouble, a small bunch spoiled it for the rest of us. lets root it out, it's an embarrassment to the country. this tournament might not be in the same league as the world
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cup or european championships, but it represents a chance to cap off what has been a wonderful 12 months. for the kid who lived in the shadow of wembley, the armband. raheem sterling, rewarded with the captaincy for his 50th cap. with harry kane dropped, marcus rashford stepped up. de ligt, so usually sure—footed, was instead clumsy. rashford made no mistake with the penalty. but the dutch were building pressure, and de ligt was looking to make amends. now, that had been coming. but then, drama. england, back in the lead, through jesse lingard. but as fans went wild, var did its thing. mere centimetres denying them the winner. extra time loomed. and england were playing with fire. john stones‘ calamitous dilly—dallying gave the dutch a chance. kyle walker's thigh gave them the winner. it will not hurt as as much russia, but it is another trophy gone for another year.
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inafew in a few minutes we willjoin andrew neil and his guests for a special programme on the by—election result in peter brock. stay with us on bbc news.
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hello. while the rain has been plentiful across some parts of the uk recently, while others we have seen uk recently, while others we have seen very uk recently, while others we have seen very little. that is about to change through friday. this deep area of low pressure tracking northwards across the uk will bring some notable rainfall, in particular to some southern and eastern counties of england, areas which haven't seen very much rain recently. the rain stays with us as we go into saturday. some strong winds as well. quite a tricky rush hour through friday morning across southern counties of england and wales heavy and persistent rain working northwards. a fine start across scotland, northern england, northern ireland. rain will arrive into northern england, southern scotland, and the east of northern ireland in the afternoon. a feature
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of the forecast. strengthening through the day. thunderstorms developing throughout the day. temperatures in the mid to high teens. may not feel that way give any strength of the wind and rain. a closer look at friday afternoon, some thunderstorms developing quite widely across southern and central counties. into wales as well. notice the strength of the wind. gusts of 45-55 the strength of the wind. gusts of 115—55 mph for the channel islands, channel close, southern counties of england and wales. this area of low pressure with us as we go from friday into saturday. notice the squeeze in the isobars. at a windy night for many as we go through friday into saturday. still some heavy rain and thunderstorms developing —— quite a windy night. the rain transferring further northwards into the central belt of scotland, the eastern side of scotland, the eastern side of scotland, and pushing further westwards into northern ireland. not a cold are to saturday. temperatures 10- 11 a cold are to saturday. temperatures 10— 11 celsius. a blustery day on saturday. strong winds, heavy rain,
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particular for northern england, north wales, scotland. further south, a mixture of sunny spells and blustery showers. average wind strengths through saturday. the gusts will be even higher. given the strength of the wind, given the rain, temperatures of 15— 16 celsius. by the time we get to sunday the area of low pressure is clearing northwards. notice how the isobars start to become further spaced out. there winds were for later. showers around on sunday, particularly in the north and west. dry with light winds and the south and east. good evening. here is your latest sports news. england have lost in the semifinals of the uefa nations league stop beaten 3—1 by the netherlands and extra time. it was a decent start for england who had a penalty in the first half when marcus rashford was brought down by
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the united —— manchester united front man. he made amends by headingly dutch level to send the into extra time. from there on in england pressed the self—destruct button. john stones was caught on the edge of the penalty area for the short to deflecting off kyle walker. ross barkley was at fault for the netherlands third goal. a promise with a tap in. england settle for a third fourth—place play on against witzmann. ben evans face portugal in the final. chelsea are reported to sell and hazard for an 88 million dick pound —— £80 million. the deal is expected to be completed within a matter of days. despite no official confirmation, it is thought it could cost u p confirmation, it is thought it could cost up to 130 inch million with add—ons, which would be a record fee for both clubs. he is in the last year of his contract and hinted
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after chelsea's europa league when that the final would be his last game with the side where he has won six major trophies including two premier league titles. dean asher—smith kudin agger 0lympic champion elaine thompson in the diamond league in rome tonight after beating her in the 200 metres in stockholm. —— couldn't edge. the jamaican clocked a time of 10.89 seconds. the fastest time this year for the distance. it was five funders of a second faster than asher—smith. laura muir ran a season best in the 1500 metres but the world record holder held her off to ta ke world record holder held her off to take it when with a world leading time. andrew pozzi was runner—up in the 110m hurdles. the bridge was edged by 300th of a second. australia continued their solid start to the cricket world cup with victory over west indies at trent bridge. australia batted first and made a terrible start, but after recovering a loss to steve smith to
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one of the catchers of the tournament. sheldon cottrell on the boundary taking it at the second attempt. the west indies couldn't quite get to their target of 289. australia winning by 15 runs. england's women completed a co mforta ble england's women completed a comfortable win in the first of 31—day internationals against the west indies and leicester. the matches are worth points. sides try to qualify for the twenty20 will mackay. england made 318—9 with aami jones making nine and heather knight making 94. west indies lost wickets regularly and were bowled out for 102 and in 36 overs to give england victory by 208 runs. unseeded american teenager amanda anisimova has stunned simona halep to reached the semifinals of the competition. she had never match a roland garros before this year but took the victory in straight sets, 6—2, 6—4.
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she said to drop a set at this tournament. she will now face australian eight seed ashleigh barty in the semis. but he beat madison keys. jo konta plays marketa vondrousova in the other semi tomorrow. meanwhile, while number one novak djokovic recess first french open semi—final since 2016 with a straight sets when over alexander's pharaoh. djocovic is chasing a fourth straight breslin will face dominic thiem. great britain lost out to germany in the men's international hockey series. gemma came from behind twice to claim a remarkable 4—3 win. great strikes helped the visitors to the points at the hockey centre. the result is generally move above britain into fifth in the league table. britain dropped to number six. and that is all this but for now. hello. whilst rain has been plentiful across some parts of the uk, recently, others have
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seen very little. but‘s all about to change through friday, this deep area of low pressure pushing its way northwards out of iberia and france will bring some notable rainfall, across a large swathe of the uk, in particular, southern and eastern counties of england, areas that haven't had much rain recently. and the rain stays with us as we go into saturday, pulling its way northwards. and all the while we'll see some quite windy conditions. quite a tricky rush hour through friday morning across southern counties of england and south wales as this rain working its way northwards. a fine start across scotland, northern ireland and northern england, but some rain arriving into northern england, the east of northern ireland and southern scotland through the afternoon. and behind the rain, some thunderstorms developing. winds, as i mentioned, very much a feature of this forecast, becoming particularly gusty across southern counties of england and for the channel coast. temperatures in the mid to high teens, it's going to feel cooler than these values suggest given the strength of the wind and the rain. let's take a closer look at southern counties of england and wales and the channel islands through friday afternoon because we've got thunderstorms to deal with and also some gusty winds, gusts quite widely, 45—50 miles an hour.
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so another tricky rush hour through friday evening. and this area of low pressure continues to work its way northwards through friday night and into saturday. notice the squeeze of the isobars, some strong winds for friday night and into saturday and more heavy rain continuing to work its way northwards, and by the time we get through the early hours of saturday morning, it will be closer to the central belt of scotland and still working its way a little bit further westwards into northern ireland. still see some thunderstorms as well across parts of england and wales, but all of this is going to keep temperatures up into double figures, ten or 11 celsius the overnight low. for saturday, it's a blustery day, more spells of heavy rain, by this stage starting to get into the north midlands, north wales, northwards. and behind this we'll see some spells of sunshine across central, southern england and wales, but also further blustery showers. it's another windy day, these are average speeds, but the gusts will be even higher. and temperatures on saturday for most in the mid—teens, and again, given the strength of the wind and the rain, it's still going to be feeling on the cool side.
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by the time we go into sunday, our area of low pressure does start to pull away northwards, notice how the isobars start to open up so the winds will start to fall lighter as we go into sunday. there will still be some showers around, particularly the further north and west you are, but looking drier further south and east.
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by by election fever is taking us again. getting more jobs. vessel
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needs funding. better housing. brexit. nothing else matters at this point in time. historic peterborough, beryl prociv two queens —— burial place, and history is being made again. this is where catherine of aragon was buried in 1536, the city's last mp buried her own political career, after lying for police and was jailed. and in a first for british politics, was sacked by her constituents. she protested her innocence, but many voters refuse to forgive. the owner is no longer the memberfor peterborough and the seat is accordingly vacant. now, they've had the chance to choose again. top priority should be... jobs. my priority should be... jobs. my priority for the new mp should be to
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give us all the peoples vote. this impasse is impossible.” give us all the peoples vote. this impasse is impossible. i would like to see better funding for young people, betterjobs. people in peterborough are homeless.” people, betterjobs. people in peterborough are homeless. i feel like my problems aren't being listened to. they need to work on getting morejobs listened to. they need to work on getting more jobs and listened to. they need to work on getting morejobs and ifeel like listened to. they need to work on getting more jobs and i feel like we need to stand with the eu to get morejobs. need to stand with the eu to get more jobs. exit has been a big issue here, 61% voted to leave in 2016, but peterborough is no stranger to immigration —— wrecks it. the city does make out of its diversity, brought by waves of new arrivals here, including italians and poles working in the brickworks as well as migrants from pakistan and turkey and more recently the new european union members as well as syria —— brexit. but is immigration putting a strain on services? one in three
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schoolchildren here don't have english as a first language, compared to the national average of one in five. that's led to cause for better funding. these are just some of the issues that could determine the election. my name is lisa forbes. i'm joseph wells. i am michael green. i am john whitby, i'm the candidate for the uk independence party. the issues affecting peterborough are crime and the lack of police and resources on our streets. i want to make sure that we get our fair share of the hundred and five extra police officers in our city. the environment is what people talk about a lot to the green party. brexit affects us all, it is impacting on local businesses now, meaning localjobs. we are at the bottom of the primary education trust in the country. it's a real
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crisis, we need to address that. we have a major housing shortage, a lot of rough sleeping, we have a huge getting access to doctors, dentists —— issues. getting access to doctors, dentists -- issues. on brexit, it's really divisive, it has split the country, it split peterborough, it split families and political parties.|j voted to leave the european union. i wa nt voted to leave the european union. i want a people's vote, but i also appreciate in a live city, that is not to be older and end all of the debate. stop wrecks it. we should exit as soon as possible and work to deliver a strong trading relationship with europe, but we need to be out and out quickly. relationship with europe, but we need to be out and out quicklylj wa nt need to be out and out quicklylj want to leave, i want to live cleanly and as quickly as possible. the oddest thing i've ever done...
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naughtiest? 0k, well... i once took an apple from a tree, it was nice, that i probably shouldn't have done it. this is the one where i say i ran through a field of wheat.|j decided to skip a job interview at one point to go for another interview. i got sent to the head teacher for climbing up — it was a wall that looks very attractive to climb towards the huge bins at the back of the school. naughtiest thing? good god stop i can't think of anything. thing? good god stop i can't think ofanything. i'm thing? good god stop i can't think of anything. i'm fairly boring in that way, i think. of anything. i'm fairly boring in that way, ithink. iwould of anything. i'm fairly boring in that way, i think. i would be a little bit more exciting than theresa may's field of grass. can you tell us what that is? no. -- it would be. so, good morning and welcome to this bbc by election special, for the next few hours i
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will bejoined by dan carden, labour‘s acting shadow of development secretary, paul scully and mcelroy from the economist, lance foreman from the brexit party and tom break from the liberal democrats. we are going to be staying on air to bring you the result live from peterborough as it happens along with analysis and insight for as long as we can and needed. and it's no reflection at all on the panel that we hope the result comes as all on the panel that we hope the result comes 3s soon all on the panel that we hope the result comes 3s soon 3s all on the panel that we hope the result comes as soon as possible, not that we want to be rid of them at all, wejust not that we want to be rid of them at all, we just want to stop the suspense. it seems there may be quite close results. close, by that imean quite close results. close, by that i mean not close in the sense that it has been close in the past, as a labour conservative margin, but close in the sense that it is either going to be labour or the brexit
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party. let's look at the 2017 general election result for this constituency of peterborough. labour onejust constituency of peterborough. labour one just over 600 with 48% of the vote. conservative is a very close second with 47% of the vote. it was a 2—party raisin that has generally been the history of the peterborough constituency. a 2-party race and the two parties have been labour and conservative. at this time, this by—election, caused by a recall motion that removed the existing labour mp, and we will come to these circumstances is the night goes on, it looks like the conservatives, from what we are hearing, have no chance of winning this. you may have found with the majority of only 600 to beat and the labourmp standing majority of only 600 to beat and the labour mp standing down in disgrace
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and also this being a leave constituency, voted 61% to leave. , that this was the seat that the conservatives had any —— every chance of winning. what we are hearing tonight, that is not the case, it will either be between the brexit party or the labour party. let's find out what we are hearing. tom break, what are you hearing?|j am hearing that labour are likely to win bya am hearing that labour are likely to win by a margin that hopefully means we will get home. no recount in other words. and we will do better. i'm confident we will do better than the 3%. there is a bit of a? as to whether we will keep the tories. so you think that is a pole —— possibility. lance foreman?”
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you think that is a pole —— possibility. lance foreman? i am hearing it is a close call. —— lance forman. it is a close call between labour and the brexit party we have only been around for eight weeks. labour have had data on all their vote rs labour have had data on all their voters going back decades and winning elections isn't only about campaign, its about getting people out in the day and if you have a list of people going and knocking on their doors, that is half the battle. and the brexit party have none of that. we are hoping that the campaign alone would have been sufficient. what are you hearing, dan? i am hearing it is close and i can't shed any light on it. between the labour party and the brexit
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party. this is a proxy referendum. people have been engaging on the nhs, schools, crime rising, but we have had thousands of activists out, campaigning. —— hundreds. it is those people on the ground that will make the difference. this is a 2—party margin but it doesn't include the conservatives, why?m has been clearly about brexit and the frustration people have expressed? is the frustration people have expressed ? is it the frustration people have expressed? is it somebody who has had that in the past, i have voted for the referendum party back in 97 and joined the conservatives shortly afterwards. i've been through that same thought process. i can
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understand people ‘s frustration. we need to carry on learning the lessons that we did in that election and get brexit done. done what people actually want us to do. you had paul bristow, our local candidate, talking about local issues. the focus of it has been about brexit rather than domestic agenda or even peterborough. if what paul scully says is the case, it would seem the tories are continued, will continue to get a hiding until this brexit issue is resolved.” will continue to get a hiding until this brexit issue is resolved. i was talking tojeremy this brexit issue is resolved. i was talking to jeremy hunt. this brexit issue is resolved. i was talking tojeremy hunt. he pointed out that the candidate on the ground was very strong. if this keeps going on, you field a perfectly good
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candidate who in normal times would have been able to overturn that very slightly. we can't do that, the tories are nowhere. , this will be a reason why you might be able to put a bit ofa reason why you might be able to put a bit of a squeeze on the tory base to be able to come to a decision. to get it resolved ? to be able to come to a decision. to get it resolved? basically to get it resolved. let's go to peterborough. we have iain watson. we spoke a while back, give us an update. we we re while back, give us an update. we were expecting nigel farage to come in. that's never happened. we are now hearing labour are planning a
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big entrance. this was traditionally a two horse race and tonight is a two horse race between labour and the brexit party. some say that the labour call vote has seen off the insurgents. it is not enough to stop the brexit party winning. because of the brexit party winning. because of the collapse in the —— conservative vote. we a re the collapse in the —— conservative vote. we are expecting results in an hour or so stop if you are listening to mood music, it is more harmonious on the labour side than on the brexit side and that has slightly changed its tune in the past hour. we will keep coming back to you as the mood changes and things have developed. we will see if it comes in aboutan developed. we will see if it comes in about an hour applause time. —— our‘s time. it may go longer. lance
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forman, i would suggest that if nigel farage hasn't turned up, that would sound like it doesn't, your party doesn't think you have won it. i think they could be 1000 reasons he hasn't shown up. he has some thing better to do! he was planning to turn up when it looked like you we re to turn up when it looked like you were going to win it. it is unusual for a party leader to turn up to the counter this constituency. —— account of a constituency. --we will find out in the very near future. i don't think the election was just about brexit. in the european
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elections, the brexit party one very clearly. there might have been other issues. there was the actual logistics and the data, getting people out. mike greene is an amazing candidate. i was campaigning last week, knocking on doors. it is amazing how many people knew him. how many people had had their lives touched by him. he has done so much work in peterborough. the election campaign is over. you can't change the result. we shall see whether enough people... let's go to the man we always go to a night like this, john curtis, our election guru. there he is in our newsroom. john, if labour has one tonight, we don't yet know. these things can change, if it is held onto the seat, it is possible that is because the
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conservative vote has collapsed to brexit rather than the labour vote increasing. —— labour. brexit rather than the labour vote increasing. -- labour. sure. remember what happened two years ago. it would be surprising if anything happened indeed. like this. you might expect, given what happened two weeks ago that it would be obvious the brexit party would win. the brexit party were well ahead. although the opinion polls we re ahead. although the opinion polls were saying, another pole out in the times tomorrow says the brexit party is narrowly ahead. —— poll. it is
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not as strong as they were in the opening election. they are putting them around 25% of the vote rather than the 32% they got. they are also putting labour up eight or nine points as to where they were in the european elections. around the 22 23 point mark. if that difference between what happened a fortnight ago nationally, and apply it to peter brock, you think the race between the brexit party and the labour party will be a dead heat. —— peterborough. we are being told it is relatively close and if that happens, irrespective of who wins, that will be, broadly speaking, confirmation of what the polls are saying which is that no party is very strong, may be no party has the support of much more than 25% of the
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electorate, but that secondly, yes, the brexit party is, at the moment at least, for the time being, a serious player in westminster politics although not always going to bea politics although not always going to be a winner. john curtice, we have a chart up on the screen. this is how the peterborough constituency voted in the eu election. the labour party was down in 22 and the liberal democrats down at 13%. the brexit party is about 37%. given that and given the momentum that the brexit party seemed to have and all the problems labour has had, why does it look as if this might not have resulted in a brexit victory? because it was always clear, even in the polls during the european
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election, that there was a body of people who voted for the brexit party two weeks ago who would not necessarily vote for the brexit party for a westminster contest. the by—election is closer to a westminster contest that it is to a european election and therefore we should not necessarily expect the brexit party to do as well here in peterborough as it did two weeks ago. basically, it is vote in the national polls is about seven point lower. —— its vote. you are not far off what the brexit party got. it is about 30% in peter's borrower. meanwhile, labour are running at 22-23 in meanwhile, labour are running at 22—23 in the national polls. add seven, eight points to labour's points in the constituency and you also get to something close to 30%. it seems to me that a close result is reasonably what we should expect
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until we take into account the whole myriad of local factors which include the fact that the labour candidate and the previous labour mp is no longer an mp because she was convicted of a criminal offence but equally that the brexit party, as everybody is acknowledging, doesn't have much organisation on the ground so have much organisation on the ground so there are pluses and minuses on both sides. therefore, perhaps something pretty close. that is a reasonable expectation but may be no more than that. they're in mind, if the labour party does win and let's say for the purpose of our argument, it does so on about 33% of the vote, that will be 15 points lower than what the labour party got in its constituency two years ago. something like 30% for the brexit party would still, if you compare this with the by—election performances of ukip, apart from cla pton performances of ukip, apart from clapton and rochester which whether to buy elections they managed to win
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on the back of the sitting mp is standing again, would actually count as one of the best performances for as one of the best performances for a eurosceptic party in a parliamentary by—election. a eurosceptic party in a parliamentary by-election. thank you very much, john curtice. we understand that the labour candidate has arrived at the count. lisa forbes. looking quite sprightly. nigel farage has turned up as well, not looking quite as sprightly, looking quite down. this could also be an act and we might be suckered in by that. we will only know when we get the count itself. even if the brexit party hasn't had the breakthrough it was hoping for by winning the seat tonight and it was quite a mountain it had to climb, it has changed the dynamics of this 2—party swing seat away from what it has been historically. let's look at the history of peterborough is a key marginal. let's go all the way back to 1974. a year when there were two general elections. peterborough was
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conservative but in october when the second election under a labour government, peterborough went labour with harold wilson as the prime minister. it stayed that way and up to 1979, it is interesting peterborough seat is not one that changes every election. it is a seat that changes every now and again after being in either labour hands or tory hands for a while. in 1979, margaret thatcher came to power and the conservatives took peterborough along with it. it stayed conservative. in the two landslide margaret thatcher elections in 87 "83 margaret thatcher elections in 87 ——83 and 87. and a fourth term was claimed by the conservatives in 1992 and peterborough stayed in the conservative fold. then came tony blair in1997 and
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conservative fold. then came tony blair in 1997 and peterborough went into the labour camp and it stayed there for the 2001 landslide as well. almost against the grain, in 2005, when mr blair won comfortably, but not by a landslide, peterborough went conservative. and it stayed conservative in the 2010 election, which resulted in a hung parliament, and the coalition government, and in 2015 when it mr cameron one a small overall majority. then in 2017, when you might have expected the conservatives to hold onto that, because they became the largest party, it actually went back to labour. and it went back to labour on the smallest of majorities, only about 600 in it. in this by—election tonight was labour's to lose and perhaps it hasn't. it is a seat that
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is used to close because, back in 1966 they had seven recounts. let's hope they don't have that tonight. an the conservatives on with a majority of three. but the mould has been broken, i would suggests, paul scully, to the extent that whether it's brexit or labour that has one, you haven't, and it's no longer a labour conservative marginal in this by—election. labour conservative marginal in this by-election. certainly not in this by—election, for the reasons we have discussed. as a sign of understandable frustration we have not been able to get resident of the line, parliament has not been able to get brexit over the line. they have voted with their feet. you would expect the labour party to be doing well at this election because it is something they need to be doing, winning after nine years of a conservative government. they should be winning all of these elections. the fact it is close for them is not
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a good sign for labour. but it is childish for me to say other than the fact that if it is a bad day for the fact that if it is a bad day for the conservatives it is something we have to push onto to make sure we don't keep this and get brexit done. i don't understand how you solve a problem like the brexit party until you solve brexit. that is it. that is fundamentally the answer. and, of course, potentially there might be another by—election to take place in similar circumstances, if a petition gets the right number, the 10% that is required to trigger a by—election where brexit will still be an issue in the liberal democrats would be interested in that seat because we held it until 2015. interested in that seat because we held it until2015. in interested in that seat because we held it until 2015. in these circumstances, whoever your new leader is, new prime minister, i would suggests that to call a general election, without resolving
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brexit, would be political suicide for the conservatives. well, it's not a sensible thing to be doing, and they don't think there is any need to be doing that. you can't afford to do it. it is not that there is no need, you cannot afford to call a general election as well as the brexit party is breathing down your neck. we need to be sorting out brexit. 0ctober down your neck. we need to be sorting out brexit. october 31 is a hugely important date. that is why a loss of the leadership contenders are focusing on that date was top thatis are focusing on that date was top that is looming large. what you are going to find is that most people wa nt to going to find is that most people want to leave with a deal. you will see the contenders talking about being prepared to live with no deal if that is what comes. nonetheless, most parliamentarians want to leave with a deal. in order to do that, you have got to get negotiating now, you have got to get negotiating now, you have got to get negotiating now, you have got to have legislation surrounding the outcome you can't just magic up primary legislation. you need time to get it through
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parliament. we have to crack on and get it done. if your new leader, whoever it is, decides that they cannot get an existing deal change to their satisfaction and therefore decide they want to leave no deal in the house of commons says you are not, what does the new prime minister du? it is an interesting point. if you look at the institute of government that wrote a report recently about the fact that it becomes far more difficult this time around for parliament to thwart a no deal because of the way it was structured last time. but if it does? well, actually, there's no easy mechanism for parliament to get in the way of no deal. the facts are pile ——of parliament of this. there isa pile ——of parliament of this. there is a clear substantial majority against leaving no deal. and there isa against leaving no deal. and there is a speaker of the house who is clearly anxious to do, how can i put
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it, what he can do to help in that regard. so when you are faced with that, you see in normal times, what a prime minister would do, faced with a parliament that was forcing him or her, they would say let us go to the country, let's resolve this in the country. but since we have both implicitly agreed that would be an act of political suicide as long as the brexit party is around, i ask again, what does the new prime minister do? i don't think a general election will actually sort out the problems, sort out the numbers in order to give you a clear... you don't know until you call it. you can't afford to call it. i don't think a second referendum would do it either. so what you do? frankly, in my view, and this is my view, i'm happy to have the 31st of october is a hard stop. they have voted to keep no deal on the table. they come back to the point that actually you get to the point that actually you get toa
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to the point that actually you get to a situation where parliament, procedurally. .. to a situation where parliament, procedurally. . . crosstalk. that was then, this is now. procedurally becomes very difficult for parliament to stop it. politically, you are right, there will be pressure, should parliament... will be pressure, should parliament. . . crosstalk. it would be a constitutional crisis ifa it would be a constitutional crisis if a minority government try to take britain out of the eu on the basis of no deal, when the overwhelming will of parliament was not to do so. that would seem to me to be filed under constitutional crisis. it would be a constitutional crisis if we decided not to do this, folded into the too difficult not to do... iam not into the too difficult not to do... i am not saying that. i'm trying to find out what the way forward would be in these circumstances. crosstalk. there is no easy way forward. so far a have not heard of any way forward. what you have to do, going back to the point, is going back to where the point, is going back to where
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the sticking point is, the key sticking point in my mind and for many people in my party is the backstop. ok. that is the key thing. we need to go back. if we can bang some of the goodwill, whether it is citizenship, gibraltor, the shed basis, all of the sovereign bases and all of these things, back that in some sort of sense of legislation, then actually we can focus on things that we do differentiate ourselves on, go back to brussels, and say we need a little bit of movement...” understand that'll be the my question was based on it russells says no. but i think we have exhausted that for the moment. —— brussels. we go back to peter wroe where the count is under way. iain watson is there. i think he has the ukip can have it with him. we don't have nigel farage, we don't have the brexit party, but we have ukip. i presume you are not expecting to win tonight. not quite. think it would
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bea tonight. not quite. think it would be a bit of to expect that this evening. you had 6096 of the vote in 2016. now you are not expecting to win. the brexit party certainly seems to running labour close in a winning position. surely this is telling you that this is the end of ukip. there is now a new ukip on the block. we have been told that since 2016 a block. we have been told that since 2016a numberof block. we have been told that since 2016 a number of times and each time we have gone down and come back up again. good luck to the brexit pa rty. again. good luck to the brexit party i hope we get a strong brexiteer elected here. but we are still around. we have got a different message to the brexit pa rty. we different message to the brexit party we don't really know what their policies are. it is a problem that too many people know what your policies are. some accuse you of islamophobia, some say you play up to the far right in this country. do you think your association with tommy robinson, for example, was a mistake, a vote loser was blue well, people keep bringing this up all the time. and it is not really an association of a lot of people
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forget... the current leader has him as an advisor. he had him as an advisor on a particular issue. if you look at certain other parties and where their leaders have been over the past 30 or 40 years, i would rather sit down with tommy robinson than the leaders of terrorist organisations. ok, obviously you are referring to the labour leader. equally, do you think that images costing you. you have the same politics with brexit. they seem the same politics with brexit. they seem to be doing better. while they have. but they have come out of nowhere with big guns on board, ann widdecombe and the rest of the conservative. don't forget, ukip has beenin conservative. don't forget, ukip has been in that situation already, in 2015, we suddenly had an influx of conservatives because they saw ukip as being the way forward. and then promptly disappeared as soon as the referendum was over. i think they have got some structural problems within that party that will turn around and bite them. if you were to
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add up in the end whatever the brexit party does, your vote, their vote, the stp are even standing on a pro—brexit platform, —— sdp. what party does that centre on other party does that centre on other party in this country, the conservative party when they are trying to choose a new leader? do what you actually promised to do in 2017. what i was saying in 2017 was you were not going to deliver. everything a predicted then in my campaign has come to be absolutely true. you have also said you want to cut all times with the eu. that is the kind brexit you want. what does that mean? we want to cut all the ties that hold us in. we don't want to cut trade ties, because obviously we want to trade with people. but if you look at everything that holds you look at everything that holds you into the eu, you can't actually get a ship out to see unless you cut that anchor. we want to cut that anchor to sale free intake course
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that we want. ok, final question. we don't know if nigel farage is here at the moment or not. we expected him to turn up. what would you say to him if his party pounced yours into the ground tonight? if it is a few percentage of votes and he comes first or second? congratulations. time to defect? i don't know what they stand for thank you very much. that isjohn whitby, the candidate for ukip at the moment. anything the new leader should be? no idea. -- who do you think. no idea. the conservative party membership in —— and the ukip membership. they're likely to be punished by parties that pro—brexit. likely to be punished by parties that pro-brexit. maybe what is left of the membership could take an interest me leader. he knows. we understand nigel farage is in the building. we are seeing some reports, unconfirmed, that the
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brexit party is briefing, that they may have lost by a couple of hundred votes a nd may have lost by a couple of hundred votes and will call for a recount, which means we better get the coffee on, just in case. tell me a bit about the impact of the rise of the brexit party and the resurgence of the lib dems in the european elections, the impact it is having on labourand elections, the impact it is having on labour and conservative, on the conservative side it is making them a hard line on leave and getting leave done. 0n the labour side it seems to be pushing this equipment was a referendum, anne mcelvoy?” think you are right. ifjohn curtice is right and roughly the shape he is disc driving, i think there are different lessons. from the conservatives i am interviewing in the leadership race to those close on the ground to their constituencies, they have to signal that they can get brexit done. they may not be able to get brexit done
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for all the reasons that we know, but if they don't say that they can then they are toast. they have to fudge through that and avoid a general election which right now would be catastrophic. a different lesson pertains to labour. however well labour do tonight, they may well labour do tonight, they may well hold on, as some of the indications have been, but they not going to hold on well enough for a general election victory. that sometimes gets a bit forgotten that you can still hold on, you could beat your rivals. what you would not have an overall majority. would not have an overall majority. would not have an overall majority. would not have an overall majority. if labour do hold on, we will say something in fairness to jeremy do hold on, we will say something in fairness tojeremy corbyn, think there was a head of steam building in the party and quite closely around him that if he didn't really carry this one off i think he could have been on their way to being challenged quite soon. as the leadership? as the leadership. the
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mishandling of things in his office, and the 1970s, proven allegations in many cases, if he hangs on, the light changes. it is a bit hard. you need to say your time is up. that said, they are not on course to win. you did ask me about a second referendum. it does put them a bit more to saying if you can't win a general election anytime soon and the tories don't want a general election, you have got to do something. politics abhors a vacuum. that is nudging and pushing and prodding of dan carden, do you accept that the direction of travel inside your party now is moving towards more enthusiasm for a second referendum? i think there has always been that support for a second referendum in large quarters of the party.
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i wouldn't say that confidently. there is a real concern about leaving voters behind. we have had this policy which has tried to unite the country and people, critics of the country and people, critics of the party, who would try to portray it as that, it isn't. the policy is that we represent communities and working—class communities.” that we represent communities and working-class communities. i should go through the seats of the lost seats in working—class communities during the european elections. i'm not denying that. i want us to be listening to those communities. i don't want us to go down and say we will ignore half of the electorate. but can you be the party of the metropolitan elites, of islington
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and camden, and the party of redcar? absolutely and that is why we are trying to represent the 99%. absolutely and that is why we are trying to represent the 9996. you've lost them. we are in extraordinary political times at the moment. this by—election, trying to extrapolate general election results, a lot of people say labour can't win one but there is nothing being offered by there is nothing being offered by the conservatives or anyone else. let me ask you this, when emily thornbury says that labour should come out now in favour of a second referendum and campaign to remain in that second referendum, do you agree? that's going to be a debate we have in the party. i know that so iam asking we have in the party. i know that so i am asking you to give me your views in this debate.” i am asking you to give me your views in this debate. i have given my position. this is your chance to
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give your position tonight. do you agree with the foreign secretary? — shadow foreign secretary?” agree with the foreign secretary? — shadow foreign secretary? i want to unite the country. every politician says that. as of the question! it is the important one within your party. do you agree or disagree —— answer the question. it is an important debate that's going on. what side of the debate are you on?” debate that's going on. what side of the debate are you on? i am part of discussing with our communities and membership where we go but let me ta ke membership where we go but let me take you back... no, no, don't take us take you back... no, no, don't take us back. take us forward. why are you so reluctant? this is the desperate attempt to put labour into a box that says you only represent 48%. a box that says you only represent 4896. excuse me! it is not an attempt
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to put labour into any... hold on! it is not an attempt to put anybody into any box, legitimately, to ask you if you disagree or agree with an explicit statement by the shadow foreign secretary. that is simply an attempt to get clarification of your own views. my own views is that the labour party has had a policy on which we would, if we were in government and this is the key point thatis government and this is the key point that isjust glossed over in any conversation around this, if we were in government, we would be negotiating a deal with the european union that would involve a permanent customs union. i'm sorry, if you did that deal, would you then say we should leave? jeremy has now moved to say that any deal should be put to say that any deal should be put to the people. so if labour does a different deal and i mean, we're into fa ntasyla nd different deal and i mean, we're into fa ntasyland here, different deal and i mean, we're into fantasyland here, but if labour does a different deal and clenches a
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different deal with the eu, to leave, and then has another referendum, does labour campaign to leave on its deal or against its deal to remain, which is it? leave on its deal or against its dealto remain, which is it? we are a democratic party so we will be deciding at a conference. excuse me! excuse me! what is the point of going and renegotiating a deal with the european union and in your view, succeeding, and then having a referendum in which you tell the country, i know we have done this deal, don't vote for it. i don't know what is so difficult about the fa ct we know what is so difficult about the fact we are at the democratic party with 500,000 members, trade unions and affiliate 's, . .. with 500,000 members, trade unions and affiliate 's,... i am saying what is the point of negotiating a new deal with the eu if you might turn round and ten and tell the british people, don't vote for it. what would be the point? we will be
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negotiating a deal on the basis of our last manifesto which accepted the 2016 referendum result and pledged to do exactly that. so you would recommend... just hang on! you would recommend... just hang on! you would recommend... just hang on! you would recommend that we leave on the basis of your deal? we are always responding to events of the government. if you were at --if it was a conservative deal, you would be against it and then you would have to get into power and get your own deal and if you could, then it really just depends. crosstalk. own deal and if you could, then it reallyjust depends. crosstalk. we are heading towards a no deal prime minister who would hurtle us towards... you don't get away from answering questions directed toward you simply by attacking the other side. crosstalk. i am afraid what dan hasjust side. crosstalk. i am afraid what dan has just done side. crosstalk. i am afraid what dan hasjust done is explain very simply why the people voted for the liberal democrats in the european election we have a very clear
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position. we think whether it is the prime minister's deal or any other deal, and frankly, i don't think there is any other deal in the offing, the prime minister '5 deal is not as good as staying in the eu. we want people to vote and we will fight to stay in the eu. have a clear position. that is why labour lost a more voters to us than they did to the... why does your clear position on brexit which you are clearly against, why does that do not resonate with the people of peterborough? the results in peterborough, the support for brexit in peterborough was very significant. contrary to what a numberof the significant. contrary to what a number of the panellists have said, i don't actually think that the by—election was simply about brexit. if it was, they would have been more polarisation and we would have seen more greater support for the brexit party and greater support than we we re party and greater support than we were anticipating for the liberal democrats. crosstalk. no matter how
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well you do in eu elections, westminster is still a mountain for you to climb. it is clear that what happened in that european elections won't simply be transparent —— transposed over two westminster. what is clear is, i suspect, a lot of labour voters and including some conservatives voters, people like michael has in time, once they have taken that michael has in time, once they have ta ken that first michael has in time, once they have taken that first step, if they have beena taken that first step, if they have been a traditional lifelong labour or conservative voter, the next time a general election comes along, it is easier for them to vote for the lib dems. —— michael heseltine. is easier for them to vote for the lib dems. -- michael heseltine. john curtice? we are heading for a result
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whether labour party and the brexit party are very close, as we were saying. this is what we could anticipate given the country — make current state of the opinion polls. it is well worth remarking, this is a constituency —— current state. 95% of the vote went to conservative and labour in 2017. this is the epitome of the classic british 2—party system and not even in 1983 that then alliance managed to dislodge then alliance managed to dislodge the labour party from second place in this constituency. it has always been a conservative versus labour battle. even though the brexit party hasn't got it, this is an indication of the brexit impasse and the european election campaign has indeed changed the position in british politics. maybe not quite as radically as the european election
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results suggested but certainly, basically, at the moment, rather than having a 2—party system, we will have something that looks rather more like a four party system with a conservative and labour party is being joined at one end of the system is being joined at one end of the syste m — — is being joined at one end of the system —— spectrum by the brexit party and the other end by the lib dems. what would a prime minister doing these circumstances you ask? the honest truth is, neither the conservatives nor the labour party wa nt conservatives nor the labour party want a general election and of course, they can all hang on to the comfort blanket of the fixed term parliament and that, we should remember, prime ministers can no longerjust call an election. basically, a prime minister can only call an election if the labour party agreed. i suspect at the moment that neither conservatives, the new conservative leader, norjeremy
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corbyn, will fancy an early general election. i suspect there is a lot of truth in what you say there, john. neither will be rushing. perhaps a second referendum is not entirely out of the question. if there is a logjam in parliament itself. thanks for that, john, we will come back to you shortly. this by—election is taking place of course as mrs may step down as conservative leader today. now that we are well into friday morning and there will be a new leader of the conservative party and therefore a prime minister, before parliament goes into recess before the end of july. let's look at who the candidates are so far and who you glove in its polling will show would make a good or bad prime minister. —— yougov was up borisjohnson leads quite clearly on who would be a good prime minister but he also leads on
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who would be a bad prime minister so he wins both ways. michael gove who many people think might be the second mp who will go into the vote in the country, the final two that the tory members then vote on, he is thought only as 16%. 16% good and 4796 thought only as 16%. 16% good and 47% bad. jeremy hunt not doing much better, only 13% versus 42%. forrest johnson we have already done. andrea leadsom, the only woman in the right “ race. leadsom, the only woman in the right —— race. —— borisjohnson. only 29% think she will be bad which is less than the three men to the left of the child. dominic raab whose campaign has had a few troubles this week, only 10% think he will be a good prime minister. then sajid javid, 19% good. he is second behind mrjohnson, versus 30%. matt hancock
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who has been making a lot of sound and fury and noise, warning mrtrump that things won't happen on his watch stop i'm sure mr trump took a deep notice of that. 0nly watch stop i'm sure mr trump took a deep notice of that. only 5% think he will be a good prime minister. 16% bad probably because his profile is low. down there to rory stewart who is incredibly popular with people who are not tories, he is, sadly for him, only tories get to vote and he is on 5%. 14% sadly for him, only tories get to vote and he is on 5%.14% bad. i suspect some of these figures reflect the fact that a lot of the public don't really know who these people are. i think that's true but also look at the pattern. look how strong the negatives are. there is not really anyone who have an outlying positive so the negatives around all tory candidates, it has to be said, regardless of their particular strengths and weaknesses, it is so interesting. there is not a game changer up there, paul scully,
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is there? we will have to wait and see. these guys have all got skills and talents. there are drawbacks for some. some people will look at these and say yes, i like this but i don't like that so it is a tough decision to make. fortunately as a vice—chairman i am neutral, i have to be neutral which is great cover because i have to make up my mind andl because i have to make up my mind and i do get a vote but ijoan —— i don'tjoin a and i do get a vote but ijoan —— i don't join a camp. who do you think will get into the final two? not who you want? 0h will get into the final two? not who you want? oh i genuinely don't know. you are right when you look at the positives and negatives, a lot of thatis positives and negatives, a lot of that is partly because of the fact they are the best known. -- i genuinely don't know. there is an approach that you don't know, a fresh face, there are some people
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there with a fresh face. we are hearing that we should be getting the results in about 20 minutes. the latest word is we don't know what the result is that the latest we are hearing is that there may not be a need for a recount so whoever‘s one and we operate on the basis it is either labour or the brexit party who seem to, someone has one without the need for a recount. it is a bit like going into an italian restau ra nt like going into an italian restaurant and saying, can we have a table? they say yes we will have one intimate ——10 minutes and 20 minutes later, you are still waiting for a table. let's hope it is not like that tonight was not if the conservative go for boris johnson and he is the front runner at the moment, widely regarded as probably is too loose, and he takes a strong position that i am trying to get this deal over the line one more
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time, i mean, i'm in a new phase, i have a new mandate for my party are going to try one more time but if they rebuffed me and knocked me back, i am leaving on no deal. what does that mean for the brexit party? while i think that the brexit party will be delighted that that is the sta nce will be delighted that that is the stance he is taking. the thing about the brexit party is that they are already making an impact on politics in westminster. if the brexit party hadn't been set up you might still have theresa may as prime minister right now. you have a number of candidates standing for the leadership you are all saying we will keep no deal on the table, which they might not have been saying if the brexit party wasn't... you think you have stiffened their resolve. we have definitely stiffened that resolve. 0ne resolve. we have definitely stiffened that resolve. one of the things we learn from the referendum, after the referendum you had b0lieve and leave the eu, we all thoughtjob done, it is done and dusted, we can go home, we're leaving the eu. the lesson we learned from that is that
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you can't assume that once it is done it is done —— vote leave and leave the eu. even if a conservative government was to take us out on no deal, that is quite a big even, even if it was to do that, which is your policy, indeed, it is your only policy, indeed, it is your only policy, although i think you also wa nt to policy, although i think you also want to nationalise british steel, that might be a sidebar. even if a conservative government ends up implementing your policy, you don't go away? welcome i don't think we should go away. well, do you or don't you? what would be your purpose? i think no deal is actually a negotiation lever... but if it was to happen what would be your purpose? the purpose would be... there has been a desire for the people that are coming forward now. . . people that are coming forward now... what we have learned is that the public are fed up, totally fed
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up the public are fed up, totally fed up with the political class. that they have been arguing and arguing and again, they are unable to make decisions. nigel farage is the political class, isn't he? part of the european parliament. he is not in westminster. he was losing elections with mr maybe today we will see that change. come on, your main reason for existing is to leave the european union with no deal. and what eye and positing, they accept it isa what eye and positing, they accept it is a stretch, because they think it is a stretch, because they think it would be very difficult for this current conservative government to do, but if they took us out, if, for example, mr boris johnson do, but if they took us out, if, for example, mr borisjohnson took us out on no deal because he couldn't get a different deal, i do not know watch your reason for being would be, what would it be? your reason for existing would just be taken away. we do. the people in our party a lwa ys away. we do. the people in our party always saw brexit as a positive vision for the party. the tory party
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and labour have managed it as a damage limitation exercise... crosstalk. we wa nt crosstalk. we want to continue... crosstalk. if it is no deal, if it is your policy... yes. what is your point? the point is, no deal isjust a start. no deal is asked leaving the eu. we wanted to be trade deals around the world. the eu might be pa rt around the world. the eu might be part of that. we would say to the eu, our door is or is open. but that is conservative party. it has been conservative party policy and labour party policy to leave the eu and that has not happened. that is the point we have been making. forgive me, the scenario i am putting to you is that your pressure is low. that you have done it. it is certainly hypothetical. many people won't think this will happen. in the scenario eye and putting to you your pressure worked. the conservatives left on no deal, it is what you
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wanted, it has worked, there is no need for the pressure anymore —— eye and putting two. who knows what will happen the next day. the eu mates are coming back to us just happen the next day. the eu mates are coming back to usjust might come back to us. it is a fair point. there would be immense pressure from those who did not want to leave. was hea those who did not want to leave. was he a head of steam. we would be back into the internal recurrence which the brexit party would be opposing that. the fundamental problem is you would have to you go to the new word in the mexican, article 49. you would have to reapply, you would get the euro, showing in, that takes a period of time as well. once you are out you are out. crosstalk. we are talking at this point in time about how we are living, not whether we are still living let us bring our view is up—to—date with whispers we are getting from peterborough. nigel
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farage has now left the count. —— viewers. all the counted ballot papers there, all stacked up. it looks like the people doing it at coming to the end of the job now. they are standing by looking at their work into the wee small hours thinking we have done that, now we can relax. we also hear that labour is saying it thinks it has one and one by enough not to need a recount. we can't confirm that. that is what we're told. perhaps nigel farage's departure would indicate that what labour is saying may well be accurate. but we still have to wait. we are waiting on the returning officer to get back company stage with all 15 candidates and give us the results ——to get back on the stage. if labour moves, as emily thornberry has explicitly said it should, to a pro— referendum party, a second referendum, campaigning to
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remain in the second referendum, doesn't that shoot your fox? well, clearly from our point of view, from the country's point of view it is what we want. we want the labour party, already there are lots of individual labour party members who are behind a second referendum, but we need the labour party formally to do that. yes it is possible that some of those labour supporters who came to us for the european elections may well return stop i think for the benefit of the country thatis think for the benefit of the country that is what we need. and, of course, we make a benefit for being first adopters, in effect, for having fought for this in the last three years. you might. but a loss of london labour supporters who abandon none to vote for you in the european elections, thank you for is -- i think european elections, thank you for is —— i think you came first in london, they will go back to london. they made. there is a question mark about whether the labour party under
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jeremy corbyn is ever going to get to the very clear position that we have adopted. dan has struggled valiantly for almost half—an—hour. .. well done, dan. to explain what the labour party policy was without adopting a position. it was quite an achievement, actually. it was. it was nearly convincing for as long as jeremy corbyn is leader... all right. if labour has on peterborough tonight. we hope to hear shortly on that. there will be some relief in geremy, 's house this evening in some relief in the ranks of his office, but he still has some major problems is leader of the labour party —— jeremy corbyn's. we go back tojohn curtice party —— jeremy corbyn's. we go back to john curtice in party —— jeremy corbyn's. we go back tojohn curtice in the newsroom. we put a chart up there which shows a steady increase in dissatisfaction with jeremy corbyn steady increase in dissatisfaction
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withjeremy corbyn and lower satisfaction. we will put the chart up satisfaction. we will put the chart up in satisfaction. we will put the chart upina satisfaction. we will put the chart up in a moment. it is quite a gap. talk us through that. jeremy corbyn seems to be having trouble retaining the relatively favourable, the evaluations he acquired in 2017, looks like during that election he managed to persuade many voters he might bea managed to persuade many voters he might be a potential prime minister after all. the honest truth is that the two years since then have not been good for the leader of the opposition. his ratings have kept going down. the poll that is coming out in the times this morning, mrs may isn't very popular, but even so jeremy corbyn appears to be even less popular. you also see this in questions that are specifically about how people think both theresa may and jeremy corbyn have handled brexit. very few people think theresa may has handled brexit very well. even fewer thinkjeremy corbyn would do any better. perhaps one of
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the reasons we have seen the rise of both the brexit party at one end of the spectrum and the liberal democrats on the other is not simply a question that these parties have clarity in these positions, it is also the case, at the moment at least, neither the conservatives nor the labour party are led by somebody in whom the electorate have confidence when it simply comes to their ability to handle the brexit issue. perhaps above all, the labour party needs a degree of greater clarity about its brexit position, whatever position it is those teachers, is that at the moment it is clear electorate don't understand where the labour party is that, and u nless where the labour party is that, and unless it does so people are not going to be convinced that whatever position the labour party adopted has the competence and ability to pursue that objective. i think there is no doubt that even if labour do end up winning this by—election, probably very narrowly, it should ta ke
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probably very narrowly, it should take it as being something of a relief, but it doesn't take away the central problem which is that it is now markedly less popular than it was two years ago and it is simply one of four parties competing for the electorate's infections are. thank you for that. some clarity is a lwa ys thank you for that. some clarity is always welcome. —— affections. let me come back to you, how can it be that a prime minister who has effectively been forced to resign because she is widely regarded as useless, even by her own side, is, nevertheless, still more popular than the leader of the opposition? we have been here before, haven't we... no, we haven't. there seems to bea we... no, we haven't. there seems to be a collective amnesia about poles and what happened before 2017 general election. let me just correct you want something from a bit earlier, andrew, the labour
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pa rty‘s bit earlier, andrew, the labour party's policy, first and foremost, is that there should be a general election. that is because the divisions in the country won't be sold by parties coming down... we have done that. come back to mr corbyn. his satisfaction, only 27% of voters are satisfied with him in that bowl. and even though mrs may has had to step down because there are so many has had to step down because there are so many people dissatisfied with her, there is still more people satisfied with her than they are with mr corbyn. how do you explain that? well, this is nothing new, as they say, andrew, attacks onjeremy are ongoing... all right. all right! that is your get out ofjail card, isn't it? i'm the one that says we goes to the results, not you. i will come back to you. give you more time to think of what the answer is. we
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can see the candidates, all 15 of them, as we have been saying, gathered there, returning officer coming up. i think we are about to get the result. she isjust having coming up. i think we are about to get the result. she is just having a final look around to make sure everybody is in place. they may be looking for the monster raving looney party, which i'm told is not the chap in the red suit. there it is. think it is the chap in white there. applause . lisa forbes is chaired as she comes onto the stage. we go to peterborough for the result. can have your attention please. this is the declaration of the result of the poll for the election of a member of parliament 41, held on thursday the sixth ofjune 2019. i,
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gillian beasley, being the acting returning officer at the election of a member of parliament 41 do hereby give notice that the number of votes recorded for each candidate is as follows. bristow paul, the conservative party candidate, 7204 to three. —— 7243. lisa forbes, labour party, 10,484. cheering. stephen goldspink, english democrats, putting england first, 153. greener michael thomas, the
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brexit party, 9801. alan hope, the official monster raving looney party. 112. pierre kirk uk eu, 25. andrew moore 101. patrick o'flynn, stb, 130 inch five. dick rodgers, common good, remain in the eu, 60. tom rogers, christian peoples alliance, 162. beki sellick, liberal democrats, 4159.
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