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153. greener michael thomas, the brexit party, 9801. alan hope, the official monster raving looney party. 112. pierre kirk uk eu, 25. andrew moore 101. patrick o'flynn, stb, andrew moore 101. patrick 0'flynn, stb, 130 inch five. dick rodgers, common good, remain in the eu, 60. tom rogers, christian peoples alliance, 162. beki sellick, liberal democrats, 4159.
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greene smith, robertjunior, 5, renewed, a5, wells, joseph, 10a5. john william stanley, uk independence party, a00 and i do hereby declare that lisa forbes is duly elected did as a member of peterborough. cheering and applause. i would like to begin by thanking gillian beasley, her staff and the police for the effective conduct of this by—election. council staff have had to run for elections in the space of a month and their professionalism and commitment is a
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real credit to peterborough. thanks must also go to my opponents stop putting yourself forward to stand for election is never easy. to my agent and campaign team and our amazing activists, for their tireless work over many months, thank you. cheering and applause. finally, to the people of peterborough, there have been many in recent months who claimed democracy in this country is broken but you have proven them wrong. a democracy only works when people make their voices heard on issues that matter to them and their families. i thought this campaign on safer streets, more investments for oui’ safer streets, more investments for our school and a better deal for
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peterborough. the fact that you have turned up in such large numbers is a testa m e nt to turned up in such large numbers is a testament to the fact that many here are desperate to see peterborough change for the better. despite differing opinions across our city, the fact that the brexit party have been rejected here in peterborough shows that politics... cheering and applause... shows that politics... cheering and applause. .. shows that the politics of division will not win. this is a result for every community in peterborough stop tonightposmac victory is significant because it has shown that the politics of hope can win, regardless of the odds. the people of peterborough have placed their trust in me and i will not let you down stop i promised to work tirelessly for peterborough, to make ita ct tirelessly for peterborough, to make it a ct that we can all be proud of
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and that work starts now. —— city. thank you very much. cheering and applause. studio: the news from peterborough ‘s labour has held the constituency in a by—election. lisa forbes is the new mp for peterborough. we will go to the house of commons next week and she will take her seat. a local woman and a trade union official. she won on 10,a8a votes, a majority of 700 over the brexit party and the other big news is that the brexit party came 2nd in this peterborough by—election, a constituency that historically has always been a battle between labour and conservatives with no 1 else getting a look in. brexit party coming a
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strong 2nd, just 700 votes behind labour. you can see on the screen, a strong 2nd followed by the conservatives who came 3rd with just over 7000 votes and the liberal democrats came forth with just over aooo democrats came forth with just over a0 0 0 votes. democrats came forth with just over a000 votes. i think the liberal democrats will take some comfort from that although it is a clear ath position, on a much higher turnout they only got 1000 votes on a general election so they have travelled well. you can see the results there. sighs of relief in jeremy corbynposmac office at that result, labour having held the by—election at peterborough though not by a lot but a hold is a hold they can take comfort from being the winners. the conservative party shall have the headache because the
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peterborough by—election has underlined what was already clear from the european elections which is that a failure to deliver on a brexit, 1 way or another, has produced an enormous opportunity for a sort of resurgence of nigel farageposmac exit party who has clearly been taking votes from the conservative party, to become 2nd. until they can resolve that, it looks like they will be on the wrong end of the brexit party for the foreseeable future. john curtis will tell us what all this means. the victor was trying to say that this was a clear indication that the brexit party was going to be rejected and that this was a victory for the parties who were opposed by what she regards as a divisive position. she said the record, it is the lowest share of the vote 1 by a winning candidate, 31% and to that extent at least, indication number1
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is that we are now in a different political world, a world where no 1 party ca n political world, a world where no 1 party can necessarily dominate and the labour vote is well down on where it was 2 years ago. that said, the brexit party, 29%, basically it is not as good as ukip achieved in rochester or clapton when it managed to win at the by—election. not as good as the result in heywood and middleton but at 29% it is only 2nd to that and to that extent, at least, this is confirmation that while the accident party may not be quite as powerful that that the brexit party, it is still now at the moment a significant force. above all, the conservative party is down and it is a problem not entirely and not exclusively but primarily for the conservative party and the conservative party certainly cannot
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tolerate the idea of going to the elections anytime soon, at least until rexford has been delivered and perhaps the brexit party can be put back into its box. confirmation here that the brexit party is afraid. liberal democrats and the greens not doing anything as well as they did in the european election and a reminder to them that when we get to the squeeze, if you are indeed not looking like a likely winner then you are always going to be a risk of seeing your vote fully away. although liberal democrats stronger thanif although liberal democrats stronger than if the 3% 2 years ago. although liberal democrats stronger than if the 396 2 years ago. let's look again at the figures. the results of the peterborough by—election of june 2019. results of the peterborough by—election ofjune 2019. labour ahead. brexit in 2nd place.
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conservatives, who were used to being 1st or 2nd in this constituency now in 3rd place. liberal democrats, green party, and ukip down of that. even if ukip had not existed in all of their votes had gone to the brexit party that still would not have managed to dislodge labour from 1st place. it would have been closer though but not dislodged. but they may have been a recount so not dislodged. but they may have been a recount so we not dislodged. but they may have been a recount so we should thank them for that. you see the big fall in both their votes of labour and conservatives. share of the vote is better because it allows for turnout. it is a better benchmark. a8% of the vote in 2017, as you can
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see, it is down to 31%. the conservatives got a6 per cent a7% in 2017 and it is down to 29%. it has fallen less than half. the brexit party, who were not registered in 2017, is 29%. the lib dems a times more than the share they got in 2017 so more than the share they got in 2017 so they can take a bit of comfort from that, though not too much. it will make people wonder if ukip has much of a purpose with those results. this is a change in the share of the vote which again is interesting. labour the vic is but they vote 17% down. —— victors. the
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conservative share of the vote down 26% and i think it is hard not to conclude that a lot of that — i will not say all that but a lot of it went straight to the brexit party to give them 29% share of the vote. liberal democrats never constituency they could hope to do very well but they could hope to do very well but they vote up 9%. the greens up by 1% which is not to meaningful as is that of ukip.1 which is not to meaningful as is that of ukip. 1 more graphic, this is the all—importa nt that of ukip. 1 more graphic, this is the all—important swing. this is interesting. although labour won the seat, the swing from labour to brexit who came 2nd is 8.6%, it is a
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pretty big swing so those are the figures for the peterborough by—election. what are your thoughts for labour? it is a really important win for us. it was done through the ha rd win for us. it was done through the hard work of campaigners and activists on the ground and as lisa said in her acceptance speech, trying to get through the brexit malaise and try to talk about the issues that were concerning people. it was done by hard work and i am delighted... your share of the vote has plummeted, you have problems. these are extraordinary political times. when you think about the a elections, the local elections, the eu elections, the brexit party coming top of the issue elections, for us to be able to go forward and when this seat is a real achievement for us and so i am happy. so near
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and yet so far? 1st of all, congratulations. you won fair and square. my party tell me that this was not even close to the top target. 203rd on their list so it was noti target. 203rd on their list so it was not 1 we expected to win a... you have a list of westminster target? we have had thousands of people applying to become mps target? we have had thousands of people applying to become mp5 for out people applying to become mp5 for our party but what i have to say, from a standing start, this is an extraordinary result. we almost won a seat having only been around for 8 weeks. we only had 2 weeks campaigning in peterborough since the end of the eu elections. labour conservatives have decades of data. i think it is an incredible result for us. mike greene was a great candidate. a great team of volunteers given that they hold.
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that at all. is it emblematic of missus mayposmac leadership of the party that, on the day she leaves as leader, in a by—election which at other times you could have had hopes of winning, the conservative vote collapsed? i think it is something she has taken the rap for a position that parliament has taken when parliament has collectively failed to deliver brexit. i am not saying that they have not been mistakes on the way... but it was missus mayposmac job to the way... but it was missus mayposmacjob to deliver brexit, she told us so 28 times. she has failed told us so 28 times. she has failed to do so and your party is paying the price. we certainly have paid the price. we certainly have paid the price. we certainly have paid the price. unfortunately the other discussion we have had is how we
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evolve. moving on, when we have a new leader in place, the entrenched views of parliament we have to work around. what is a shame about today's result is that local boy who has worked really, really hard and i have 19 for many years, he has not had a chance to champion peterborough at this stage but none of that/ nonetheless, it goes back to the fact that we need to reflect what people want. has mrs may's tenure as leader of your party for three years and prime minister been the most disastrous of three years in the history of your party? what
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this hasn't done is we have had parliament losing trust of the people. people are not blaming parliament, they are blaming your party. i asked again, can you tell me another three years in the long history of your party which has been as bad as the past three years?” wa nt as bad as the past three years?” want to look forward not backwards. you cannot think of another three yea rs you cannot think of another three years that have been as bad?” you cannot think of another three years that have been as bad? ijust wa nt years that have been as bad? ijust want to get brexit over the line. i ama want to get brexit over the line. i am a simple lad... you have not got am a simple lad... you have not got a simple way of getting it over the line. you need more than a simple lad to do that. we need to get back into work and get started. tom, what
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do you make of this result?” into work and get started. tom, what do you make of this result? i think it isa do you make of this result? i think it is a bit underfed to describe it as that. in pastime a by—election like this, a third party is squeezed over out. 12% of the vote in peterborough... over out. 12% of the vote in peterborough. .. where has over out. 12% of the vote in peterborough... where has it come from? most of it would have come from? most of it would have come from the labour party. we also had a very good local candidate, beki sellick, who stood there. she is quite high—profile. i think to get 1296 in quite high—profile. i think to get 12% ina quite high—profile. i think to get 12% in a by—election in that sort of
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by—election to pole vault per cent is very good. i can see why... because labour has held it, it's not too dramatic. us journalists like kra katoa too dramatic. us journalists like krakatoa when too dramatic. us journalists like kra katoa when it too dramatic. us journalists like krakatoa when it comes to election results. we need to keep us awake, lots of explosions. but it's not that, i would suggest, nevertheless it has significance given that brexit came second and the tory vote plummeted. yes. and i think there's an obvious read between those two things. brexit could have come from labour, it could have come from the fa ct labour, it could have come from the fact they were losing ground in previous results. i was thinking, watching your results and the graphs and charts that it reminded me of
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german elections. you've got four, five parties, lots of hits and bobs. different bodies. and the only difference is as everyone knows, we don't have the voting system that is designed for this kind of result which otherwise would be perfectly normal, you would see pretty much across the german political landscape. it is the problem, we don't have the shock absorbers of a different electoral system. and i think that is a choice for one of them, very much in favour of first past the post, we are seeing a different political landscape. we don't have an election system that hopes with it very readily. then i add one other little message, i would like to pass it to the lib dems. ina would like to pass it to the lib dems. in a helpful sense? we came a close second, but one thing we're not going to do say to the voters is that the voters in peterborough don't know what they're voting for
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and will another election. we accept the result, and i think of parliament accepted the result of the first referendum, we wouldn't be in this mess at all, we would have been moving forward, wrecks it would have happened. is that your result of being helpful? very well. i'll ta ke of being helpful? very well. i'll take that on notice. the cold boy, we re take that on notice. the cold boy, were going to speak to you just a second, given that labour held on and the conservatives were shoved onto third place, no—one is telling me how they are going to get out of this —— mcelvoy. it's clear this will happen again and again as long as they don't deliver brexit, but i still don't see how they will deliver brexit? there's also a problem at the other end with labour's position, theoretically they are in favour of a general election but i wouldn't be massively confident getting into a general election with this kind of result here. so i think actually there is a tacit agreement with tween both of
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the main parties that they don't really know —— between, really, the big constitutional event now possibly in play is is there going to bea possibly in play is is there going to be a second referendum, whereas a while ago it was a general referendum. let's stick with the night's vote. going back to peterborough, lisa forbes joins night's vote. going back to peterborough, lisa forbesjoins us 110w. peterborough, lisa forbesjoins us now. welcome to the programme. you once a night, or in the early hours of this morning, but the labour share of the vote has gone down from a8% to 31%. why is that? share of the vote has gone down from 4896 to 3196. why is that? it's a by—election turnout. 4896 to 3196. why is that? it's a by-election turnout. not reflected in turnout, the... i'm talking about share of the vote, not the turnout. well, i can't really explain that. i think it's probably to do with the brexit party candidates standing as well. our vote went, some of it went
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to brexit. i imagine the tories lost more votes to brexit than we did. ok. did more votes to brexit than we did. 0k. did you also lose some of your vote to the liberal democrats, the more remain inclined voters, there? there are votes are up by a factor of three, 300%. —— those votes. there are votes are up by a factor of three, 300%. —— those votesm was really ha rd of three, 300%. —— those votesm was really hard to predict how this election was going to go, so, yeah, really ha rd to election was going to go, so, yeah, really hard to say, i'm afraid. when you were fighting the campaign, did you were fighting the campaign, did you owe is feel it was going to be a close— run thing and that it was the brexit party, rather than the conservatives that where the threat to you? i think it started to come up to you? i think it started to come up— to you? i think it started to come up — become quite apparent that the brexit party was more a threat and the conservatives but we thought this election on local issues and the people of peterborough voted for
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me because i'm going to campaign ha rd to me because i'm going to campaign hard to get us a better deal locally. we've been impacted in peterborough by massive codes that undercuts to —— cuts to policing and education and we need to restore pride is peterborough, we need to get more police back on our street and make sure our children get the best possible education and that is what the people have voted for. and you will be the voice of peterborough to do that in the house of commons. 0n the issue of brexit, are you in favour of a second referendum being labour's emory policy now? well, labour respects the results of the referendum, we voted to trigger article 50 and we wa nt to voted to trigger article 50 and we want to deal that protects living standards, protects jobs, protects consumers and oui’ standards, protects jobs, protects consumers and our environmental standards. but emily thornbury, your shadow foreign secretary, has told us
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shadow foreign secretary, has told us that she wants a second referendum now, and she wants labour to campaignfor referendum now, and she wants labour to campaign for remain in that second referendum. you wrote present a leave constituency, 61% voted to leave, is your position the same as the shadow foreign secretary's, or different? i campaigned in this election to honour the result of the referendum and to campaign for a deal and vote for a deal that takes peoples jobs and living standards, environmental protections and consumer rights, so that is what i will vote for. if the tories can deliver that, then i will happily vote for it. so, you would not necessarily campaign for remain?” vote for it. so, you would not necessarily campaign for remain? i - if we can't break the impasse in parliament, we can't carry on like this forever more, if the numbers don't change in parliament and amino longer be an option —— there may no
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longer be an option —— there may no longer be an option, but i think we area longer be an option, but i think we are a long way off that yet stop you we re are a long way off that yet stop you were criticised during the campaign for anti—semitism, or were criticised during the campaign foranti—semitism, orfor were criticised during the campaign for anti—semitism, orfor liking social media post saying you enjoyed a thread which claimed that isis had been created by mossad, the israeli secret service and i saw that you said you wanted to take classes on anti—semitism —— isis, is not going to happen now, do you? i'd engaged ina to happen now, do you? i'd engaged in a post recently which was a video of children praying for the people in new zealand and it wasn't anything to do with the text that was there, i didn't really notice the text that was there, i was liking the video. i apologise for that and i was deeply sorry for doing so. you also said you enjoyed the thread claiming that isis had been created by mossad and you
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signed a letter urging labour not to adopt the international standard definition of anti—semitism and were quoted" zionist rats", which is why i thought you had said you needed some education in this area?” i thought you had said you needed some education in this area? i have offered to reach out to the community, i don't have an anti—semitic bone in my body and i'm willing to meet with the community to talk to the community and i'm sure that if they do that, if they engage with me and listen to what i've got to say, i'm sure that they will agree. you know, iwas i've got to say, i'm sure that they will agree. you know, i was engaging ina will agree. you know, i was engaging in a post in error, and for that i'm deeply sorry. all right. but you didn't signed by mistake a letter calling on labour not to accept the international definition of anti—semitism, that wasn't a mistake was it? the time there was a lot of
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concern about that definition and the labour party have since adopted the labour party have since adopted the definition and i agree where we are now, as we fully accepted the definition of anti—semitism, i fully agree with that, too. lisa forbes, it's been a long night for you and you will no doubt want to celebrate with your campaign team on your victory, holding peterborough in the by—election. so we'll let you go. we thank you for your time in the early hours of this morning. thank you very much. let's get some final thoughts as we approach to 30 am in the morning. —— 230. you have a mountain isa the morning. —— 230. you have a mountain is a claim with the brexit party? we have a huge job ahead of us party? we have a huge job ahead of us and we now need to get the leadership election done as quickly as possible —— huge climb, while testing the present is going to be the next by minister so we can focus
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on the country and what the country wa nts on the country and what the country wants and that is to get brexit done ina way wants and that is to get brexit done in a way that we can live in an orderly fashion as possible —— prime minister. and you have one, but not without its problems. no, these are difficult times and this by—election came straight after those eu elections and i think now the party does need to face up to some difficult conversations, try to work out what our opposition is going for, but it's a great result tonight to hold it and i think where we need to hold it and i think where we need to go in the next period of time, we're going to have next would be the general election. and for the lib dems, a reminder that westminster elections are different from european elections. it's a great time to be a liberal democrat, fantastic council election results, fantastic council election results, fantastic european election results, coming second, and in london, those elections. and the peterborough
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by—election, four times as votes as la st by—election, four times as votes as last time, i would say that is a good result for us. where does brexit go from here? no elections on the horizon for the moment. what do you do now? it's not a bad thing, because now we need to devote some time to actually going around building a portfolio of candidates and actually going campaigning around the country. write a ma nifesto ? around the country. write a manifesto? we are discussing that at this moment. you have a disparate group of people who have come together... we have come together to bring you this peterborough by—election special. it's come to an end, we thank you for sticking with us end, we thank you for sticking with us into the wee, small hours, peter bauer is held by labour in the by—election. —— peterborough.
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welcome to bbc news. our top stories: commemorations in northern france have marked 75 years sent d—day. hundreds of veterans attended along with leaders. at least 100 people shot dead in pro—democracy protests. amnesty international has described the crackdown as a bloodbath. the opposition labor party has fought offa opposition labor party has fought off a strong challenge from brexit party to retain the seat of peterborough in a by—election. it was called after the previous mp was forced out. labour won by 700 votes, the brexit party in second place.

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