today at five: sally challen, the woman jailed for killing her husband after years of emotional abuse, has her murder conviction reduced to manslaughter. applause and cheering her lawyers argued she was subjected to "coercive control" throughout her 30—year marriage. today she walked free from court due to time already served. without the support of my family around me, who kept me going, and my endless telephone calls to them, at inappropriate times. endless telephone calls to them, at inappropriate timesi endless telephone calls to them, at inappropriate times. i don't know how i would have coped. we'll have the latest from the old bailey, and we'll be talking to a lawyer representing women subjected domestic abuse. the other main stories

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of this and the rest of the week's releases in the film review. it's 5 o'clock. our main story: sally challen, who killed her husband after what was said to have been decades of emotional abuse, is a free woman after having her murder conviction reduced to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility. she had appealed against her murder conviction, with her lawyers arguing that throughout their 30—year marriage her husband had subjected her to his ‘coercive control‘. her prison sentence was reduced to 14 years, and because of the time she has already spent in jail, she was released immediately. june kelly reports cheering

eight years ago, sally challen was jailed as a murderer. today she left the old bailey a free woman, after the old bailey a free woman, after the emergence of new psychiatric evidence. with her, her two sons, james and david, who have always supported her. i just james and david, who have always supported her. ijust wanted to say how happy i am, and i want to thank my legal team and all my family who stood behind me and stood with me through all of this. thank you. as a family we are overjoyed with the verdict. we have endured nine years of this. today recognises that this isa of this. today recognises that this is a case of 40 years of coercive control by our father. we have soughtjustice control by our father. we have sought justice and to understand this, to stop lives being lost and for the victims to be recognised. sally and richard challen were married for 30 years and made their home in surrey. for her marriage,

sally challen was said to have been emotionally abused by her husband. on the surface, he was a typical suburban father but he subjected her to decades of psychological abuse known as coercive control. he was unfaithful throughout his marriage, visiting brothels and even posing with glamour models on his christmas cards. in 2009, sally challen finally moved out but was said to still be emotionally dependent on her husband and she appealed for a reconciliation. richard agreed. she set off for her old family home but in her handbag was a hammer. still suspicious of her husband, she discovered he had been in touch with another woman. she hit him more than 20 times with the hammer. at the appeal court, her lawyers produced new psychiatric evidence that sally challen was suffering from two psychiatric disorders at the time of the killing

and it is said her condition was likely made worse because she was a victim of her husband's coercive control. this has only became a crime in recent years. now, with no retrial, lawyers will have to wait to see coercive control tested in future as a factor in a defence to murder. the beauty of our system is it's full of checks and balances. when parliament makes new laws, as it did in the case of coercive control, it is helpful if that goes to court so that the judges can interpret that law. with her murder conviction reduced to manslaughter, sally challen now resumes her family life. this case will lead to renewed debate on the damage done by domestic abuse when there are no physical injuries. after walking out of court sally challen held a news conference and gave this statement. i wouldn't be here today without my niece, who found harriet. i would like to thank from the bottom of my

heart harriet and claire, and all those who round her who have worked tirelessly to get me where i am today. it's been a long road. i would also like to thank my children, james and david, and james's partner, jen, and her parents, without whom i wouldn't be the person i am now. they have serve my sentence with me. their support and visits have kept me going in what has been a long and terrible nine years. i also thank my brothers and other relatives at home and in australia, and my friends, both in and out of prison, who have stood by me and supported me. also, prison mental health teams, officers, the chaplaincy and staff who have helped me to get through this. my thanks also goes to justice for women, for the overwhelming support i have received from the public. many other women who are victims of abuse as i was are in prison today, serving life sentences, and i know this because i've met them.

they have suffered abuse and other miscarriages of justice, and should be serving sentences for manslaughter, not murder. i still love richard, and miss him dreadfully, and i wish that none of this had happened. sally challen‘s son david called for a greater understanding of domestic violence and described what it was like to have his mother back. and a warning there is flash photography in this clip. we just can't hope to understand domestic violence without first understanding coercive control. but to have my mother back is... it's... no words. back to being a son again. back to her being an infuriating mother! laughter well, family law solicitor cris mccurley has been following the case closely and has signed an open letter to the government calling for change to the way domestic abuse is dealt

with in our courts. shejoins me from newcastle now. . thanks forjoining us. what was your reaction when you heard the news about sally challen? delighted, so news about sally challen? delighted, so delighted for sally challen, her sons, james and david, and their supporters. a great day forjustice and women. congratulations to harriet, without her drive and setting up the centre for women's justice, specifically to take up cases like sally challen‘s this outcome wouldn't have been possible. how usual is it for a defence, a new defence to be retrospectively applied? defence to be retrospectively applied 7 coercive defence to be retrospectively applied? coercive control was not a defence available to sally challen in her original trial. defence available to sally challen in her originaltrial. it defence available to sally challen in her original trial. it wasn't and there wasn't a criminal offence of coercive control until 2015. i think there was a quote, when we know better, we do better. 0ur

understanding of domestic abuse and its impact is growing all the time. the impact of new legislation and people like harriet, people who are pushing the boundaries for a better understanding, better treatment of victims of abuse, in the criminal justice system and in the family system, and we are making these strides now. how likely is it that other cases may be re—examined in the light of sally challen‘s experience? very likely. i saw harriet quoted this morning as saying there could be dozens of other women like sally challen, and i sincerely hope that they get the same opportunities that sally challen has had today. tell us a bit about the independent enquiry or calling for. what should it be looking at and why? we don't deal with domestic violence at all well in the criminaljustice system, or the family justice system. in the criminaljustice system, or the familyjustice system. we have a domestic abuse bill that's before parliament and a lot of concerned

lawyers such as myself have been giving evidence to the scrutiny committee about why this bill is essentially being set up to fail. we've got almost like a perfect storm, we have cuts to every part of the justice system, too few police officers. i read a piece this morning that the police are now recording one domestic abuse incident every second, every second. this is an absolute epidemic and we don't have the resources to deal with it properly. what other resources should be made available? it's not just resources should be made available? it's notjust the criminaljustice system. before cases reach that point, how do women who might not even realise that they are being subjected to coercive control, or men, for that matter, it happens in relationships of all types... men, for that matter, it happens in relationships of all types. .. it does. how does society support those victims? we are desperately short of

funds, we need a massive cash injection. we don't have enough refugees. something like 75% of referrals to women's aid were being turned away —— 65%. we've got great strategy, we've got the women and girls of strategy, great law to protect women and children, and male victims of domestic abuse, but what we don't have is the ground to actually make the help that is necessary available. . thanks for joining us. labour has won the peterborough by—election in a closely—fought contest, beating the brexit party by just 683 votes. the conservatives came third. the new mp, lisa forbes, said her victory shows people have "rejected the politics of division". the by—election was called after the former labour mp fiona 0nasanya, who was convicted of lying about a speeding offence, became the first mp to be ousted under recall rules.

0ur political correspondent iain watson reports from peterborough. and a warning that his report contains flash photography. the victory was narrow but labour's campaign was wide—ranging. who are we looking at? jeremy corbyn met lisa forbes, the successful candidate, in peterborough this morning. instead of battling it out on brexit, she'd highlighted council cuts and concerns over crime. and the labour leader had a robust message for his political opponents. all the experts wrote labour off yesterday. write labour off at your peril! we are strong, we are very determined to offer that politics that invests in decent services, in decent housing, in decent health care. labour won here in peterborough, but their vote share tumbled from the general election. the key to their victory seems to be an ability to motivate their own core vote, and to bringing activists from other parts of the

country, from as far away as north wales and the south coast. 0vernight, as the prospect of victory ebbed away, the brexit party leader kept a low profile, but today he took to the airwaves trying to explain why in an area where six out of ten voters backed brexit in the referendum, his party had failed to secure an mp. the labour party don't want to talk about brexit because they're losing votes to the brexit party, votes to the liberal democrats, and the whole brexit issue has become a nightmare for them. the reason labour won is they've been knocking on doors in this town for many, many months, building up their data because they knew this by—election was coming. you know, in the end, these very localised campaigns are about getting out your vote. that's what they succeeded with last night, not much more. some voters here in peterborough say they were motivated by a desire to see brexit delivered, but others said that wider issues were uppermost in their minds. the health service, look at that. i was in the health service for 36 years, and it's a disaster, yeah?

and then the schools — people having to buy their own stuff to go to school! that's what they've got to look at. but they've forgot about all that, haven't they? in effect, the conservatives came third in a two—horse race. in living memory, peterborough has always been a labour—conservative marginal. so could the change here have national significance? labour's vote is up by nine points. in the constituencies compared with what happened in the european elections, enough for the labour partyjust to win the constituency but, by the way, on the smallest share of the vote that has ever been sufficient to win a general election in post—war british politics. one of the conservative leadership contenders had his own analysis for the party's poor performance. i'm very sorry that our excellent candidate, paul bristow, didn't win in the peterborough by—election. he would have made a superb mp for peterborough. i think the result reminds us of two things — the vital importance of delivering brexit, and also the vital importance of making sure that we have a strong conservative government that can prevent jeremy corbyn from getting into downing street

and ruining this country. the election was a poor parting gift for theresa may, who stands down as conservative leader today. but it's still not clear if brexit really has claimed its last prime ministerial scalp. iain watson, bbc news, peterborough. professor matthew goodwin is professor of politics at the university of kent. . thanks forjoining us. what were theissues . thanks forjoining us. what were the issues that mattered here that meant that labour won the by—election? meant that labour won the by-election? on the ground, labour spent quite a bit of the campaign talking about issues like crime, well away from brexit. also what seeing kicking in behind this surprisingly resilient labour vote in peterborough is probably a return of something we are not talking about much at the moment, the left and right divide. we hear a lot about leave and remain, but in the data from the 2017 election, many voters still like where labour are on issues like the economy and

things like that. the labour vote was down, so was the conservative vote. the brexit party had a good election. but labour squea ked through with a majority of 683 votes. how is it going to help jeremy corbyn? it takes some pressure off him, he's been under a lot of pressure to commit to a second referendum, to get more assertive about remain. here for the corbyn knights, they can point to this election and say that even with his ambiguous position on brexit he campbell of by—election victories. the answer is, onlyjust, but on a lower share of the vote than the party of opposition should be winning them by —— on brexit he can pull off by—election victories. brandon lewis, the chairman of the tory party, saying that brexit should be delivered. how accurate is that? for the tory party they have to satisfy their voters. if you look

at the brexit party and where it's drawing it support, many of their voters are former conservatives who voted conservative in 2017. if the brexit party were to poll what they polled in peterborough in the next general election, that would almost certainly put the conservative party into opposition, putting labour into power, either as a coalition, or as a party, so somehow the conservatives have to find a way of stopping this haemorrhaging of support to nigel farage and the brexit party. what does it tell us about how the first past the post system suits, or doesn't suit the brexit party, especially if like labour you steer away from the issue of brexit and onto the local issues? fascinating, there are two ways of seeing the brexit party result in this system. if you are being critical you could say that if they can't win this kind of by—election ina pro can't win this kind of by—election in a pro leave seat with a labour mp who has been recalled, after the

european elections, when can it win underfirst european elections, when can it win under first past the post? a european elections, when can it win underfirst past the post? a more optimistic take would say the party is only eight weeks old, it didn't have much data, but it still came within 700 votes of winning. either way we are seen the two main parties being compressed, down to 45% of the vote nationally. this isn't something we've seen before. one irony of brexit is it is making the politics more european in the sense that the mainstream parties are being squeezed and these other parties are doing better. the greens had a good night. the brexit party is doing well nationally. all this means it is the rise of the outsiders, this is the story of british politics, help brexit co m press british politics, help brexit compress the mainstream parties and allowed more space for others. thank you. three hospital patients have died in an outbreak of listeria linked to pre—packaged sandwiches.

public health england said the victims were among six patients affected in england and the deaths occurred in manchester and liverpool. two of the victims were at manchester royal infirmary, with the other a patient at aintree hospital. sandwiches and salads from the good food chain linked to the outbreak have been withdrawn and production stopped. public health england says the risk to the wider public is low. the high court has thrown out an attempt to prosecute borisjohnson over claims he lied during the 2016 european referendum campaign by saying the uk gave the eu £350 million a week. campaigner marcus ball launched the private prosecution claiming that, while mrjohnson was an mp and mayor of london, he had deliberately misled voters. the tory leadership candidate had been facing three allegations of misconduct in a public office. reacting to the news, home secretary sajid javid tweeted: "very glad to see the court case against borisjohnson thrown out.

freedom of speech feels increasingly challenged". our legal correspondent clive coleman gave us the background to the case. the allegation was that mrjohnson had misconducted himself within those two public offices in such a way that he had abused the trust that the public held in those offices. now what was quite extraordinary really about this case and was brought out in court this morning was that misconduct public office has never been used in circumstances like this. it's never been used in relation to an assertion within a political debate or a political campaign, and this morning, mrjohnson‘s lawyers, who were arguing that the districtjudge last week simply got the law wrong made much of this fact. they said that the assertion made by mr johnson was put up for challenge within the referendum campaign. it was batted about, it could be questioned, and that this was not really a proper use of the criminal law, to use this particular offence, which had never been used in these circumstances, to seek to prosecute mrjohnson.

they also said that parliament had had the opportunity to criminalise this kind of speech, if you like, this kind of assertion within the offence of misconduct in a public office, and had failed to do so. we haven't had the final reason ruling from the court but i have to say they gave pretty short shrift to lawyers acting on behalf of marcus ball, the gentleman who brought this private prosecution. and this result today will obviously give great encouragement to mr johnson and his supporters, who made it very clear that they really felt that this was a politically—motivated private prosecution. that was echoed by his barrister in court today. the world health organisation has warned the world is entering a new phase where large outbreaks of deadly diseases such as ebola could become more frequent. the un's public health agency said climate change, emerging diseases, mobile populations, and conflict were contributing to the problem.

regulators have confirmed plans to change the rules around overdrafts. they say it will make them simpler, fairer, and easier to manage. the financial conduct authority says it will end fixed fees for borrowing, and stop banks and building societies from charging higher rates for unplanned overd rafts. an investigation into sabotage attacks on four oil tankers in the gulf last month has concluded they were probably carried out by a ‘state actor‘. the investigators don‘t blame a specific country, but the united states has accused iran of being behind the attacks. the trump administration has been steadily increasing its military presence in the middle east, saying it wants to deter iranian aggression against its allies. 0ur defence correspondent, jonathan beale reports from the uss abraham lincoln. america‘s flexing its military muscle. right up close to iran. the bbc was among the first media

to fly onto the uss abraham lincoln since its hasty deployment here to the arabian sea. a response, says the trump administration, to credible threats from the iranian regime. an aircraft carrier loaded with war planes is the most potent symbol of american military power, and sailing close to iran just over the horizon, this is notjust a deterrent — it‘s a warning too. the carrier and its dozens ofjets have also beenjoined by long—range b—52 bombers, as well as hundreds more troops in the region. the us insists it is not looking for a fight. but to iran this all looks like sabre—rattling — on steroids. so whatjustifies this response?

i am absolutely convinced the intelligence was credible and that‘s why we‘re here. iran was going to do something bad, was going to attack us forces? there was credible intelligence, and that‘s why we‘re here. what would happen if iran did do something? there would be immediate consequences. they‘re not revealing any more details about that intelligence, and whatever the threat this is also part of a concerted effort to try to force iran to change its behaviour. the trump administration has already turned its back on an international deal on iran‘s nuclear programme, and stepped up sanctions instead. the message now is confrontation, and that includes, if necessary, the use of military force. we are not looking for war. our key mission is deterrence. we are trying to add stability. however, if the united states is attacked, if our interests are attacked, then we will respond with unrelenting force. with tension simmering, the biggest fear now will be

miscalculation by either side. one possible reason why so far this aircraft carrier has not sailed through the narrow strait of hormuz, the closest point to iran. jonathan beale, bbc news, on the uss abraham lincoln. patients who would otherwise die from acute heart failure are being given a life—saving operation using the world‘s smallest heart pump. the £15,000 device isn‘t usually available on the nhs, but a charity has been funding the procedure while it‘s assessed by the national institute of health and care excellence. our health correspondent matthew hill has been given exclusive access to see a device being implanted. this patient is about to have her life saved. she is suffering from severe heart failure, and is so ill she would not tolerate conventional surgery. the cardiologist drjulian strange places the pump into her leg artery and guides it into her heart.

once in place the pump is turned on, providing support to the heart while monitoring its pumping action. the pump mimics the natural pathway of blood flow from the heart to the ascending aorta, increasing blood pressure while unloading the heart and providing the blood to vital organs, including the brain. you‘re looking well today. the left ventricular assist machine has already saved the life of 66—year—old michael nutland from bristol. if it weren‘t for the research that is going on now, i wouldn‘t be having this conversation with you now, to be honest with you. how do you feel about that? i‘m just pleased it is all in place. dr strange and his team are absolutely fantastic. what do you say to someone who saves your life? but it‘s not cheap, costing around £15,000 for a one—off use. the national institute for health and care excellence is currently evaluating the device, so it is not available on the nhs. that is why the hospital‘s above and beyond charity has stepped

in to pay for about one operation a month. his case would be one that we may not even have attempted. it would've been such a high—risk procedure. because of the severity of the furred up arteries? he had had symptoms for five years, which — i mean, we're all human, we ignore them, and i think he'd done that until he got to a point where it was the final straw that broke the camel's back and his heart was a disaster, really. what's great is we are now in a position where he is sitting up, talking, thinking about going home. this patient has now gone home safely and is angina—free for the first time in years. the device not only saves lives but also means patients have a reduced stay in hospital. that‘s something that nice is weighing up now, to see if more patients across the country should benefit. matthew hill, bbc news. more now on our top story and as we‘ve been hearing sally challen, the woman who killed her husband with a hammer after being subjected

to ‘coercive control‘, has walked free from court today after her sentence was reduced to manslaughter. we can now talk to sally challen‘s solicitor, harriet wistrich who‘s at old bailey. . thanks forjoining us. a very busy afternoon for you, of course. it is, yeah. how confident were you that today would go the way you hoped? well, we had prior notice that the crown were going to accept a plea but we couldn‘t share that with people. it was still up to the judge to approve the plea of manslaughter, and of course we didn‘t know how the sentencing would go but given the amount of time that sally had served already in prison, it would have been extremely unlikely that she would have been sentenced to more than the time already served. reasonably confident, but not certain that she would walk free. reasonably confident, but not certain that she would walk freem has obviously been a long campaign.

you‘ve been involved all these yea rs. you‘ve been involved all these years. how instrumental has sally challen‘s family been in getting to this point? well, i think sally's son, david, in particular has taken it upon himself to campaign very closely with justice for women, to raise awareness about coercive control, and i think he played a very important role in helping to draw public attention to this case and the wider implications raised by this case. in light of sally challen‘s experience, how would you expect or hope the courts in future will interpret cases and trials where a corrosive control is a factor? -- coercive control. i hope that through the raising of awareness through this case, and through the evidence that‘s been accepted about coercive control that

those in the criminaljustice system, whether they are prosecutors, judges or defence, will have greater awareness of it, too. we know about its relevance in cases that are going to trial and therefore the prosecution, one would hope, take it into account as a mitigating factor at the least, and defence would know that this is important evidence to show the dynamic of the relationship, and to explain the impact of that dynamic on an individual‘s actions. so we hope that lessons will be learned from the case and certainly the level of media attention that has been given is very helpful, and i think that we now understand much more widely than before the concept of coercive control, which is something more than physical violence. it‘s about a pattern of behaviour, about all sorts of behaviours which on their own or not

criminal but when taken together amount to denying the liberty of the victim. i hope it will make a difference to others that come afterwards. you are amongst a number of lawyers who are calling for an enquiry into how domestic abuse is treated what sort of sculpture that enquiry have? i think it needs to look at how the court system is not very well suited to examining the dynamics of an abusive relationship, and trying to find ways in which it can be taken into account in a criminal basis. they tend to focus on individual acts, so if it is murder they look at only the immediate facts surrounding that. what one hopes is that we can find ways to make the criminal justice system that we can find ways to make the criminaljustice system much more

receptive to dealing with cases that are much more complexed than single acts. and i would be very much advocating for that. the family court system is subject to similar problems. it‘s not recognised in the way it should be. thank you very much indeed for talking to us. time for a look at the weather. i‘m not liking this rain very much. yes, and the gardener is like a bit of rain. it doesn‘t feel likejune, desert. there is even reports of a thundercloud recently over taunton in south—western parts. it‘s the very beginning of a tornado. don‘t worry, i think it‘s past and not in a hurry to return. it‘s going to be

pretty unsettled. so the evening low pressure, these unsettled weather conditions. they won‘t be rain all the time tonight, it willjust come and go, really. by the end of the night, one feature you will notice is the strength of the wind across southern parts of the uk. later tomorrow morning and towards lunch time, those winds will be costing in excess of 50 mph on the south coast and inland, drizzly 40 mph. this could cause problems for outdoor activities such as festivals, tents, you know that kind of thing. showers in the north tomorrow. sunday is looking a little bit better, out of the two, saturday and sunday, sunday is your best bet for some sunshine.

this is bbc news. the headlines... sally challen, the women who killed her husband after decades of emotional abuse, walks free from court after having her murder conviction reduced to manslaughter. without the support of my family

around me. they kept me going with their visits, and my endless telephone calls to them at inappropriate times. i don‘t know how i would have coped. inappropriate times. i don‘t know how i would have copedlj inappropriate times. i don‘t know how i would have coped. i hereby declare that lisa forbes is duly elected. labour holds off a strong challenge from nigel farage‘s brexit party to win the peterborough by—election — but with a vastly reduced share of the vote. theresa may officially resigns as conservative leader in a letter to the 1922 comittee, she will stay on as prime minister until a successor is chosen. let‘s take a look at the sport headlines.) it is nearly here. the women's world cup kicks off in france this evening with their hosts taking on south korea in paris. england and scotland begin on sunday. england is a team

used to breaking new ground, they‘ve lifted one trophy for the first time already this year. now they have their sights set on something much bigger. as a player phil neville never made it to a world cup and england‘s high profile manager is now in charge of a side seen here in france as genuine contenders. his is a squad packed with experience — and youth. 20—year—old georgia stanway grew up idolising some of the players who are now her team—mates, and once queued up for a photo with captain steph houghton. at the last world cup she had something else on her mind. what were you doing four years ago? sitting my gcses. i remember doing that and i remember getting up in the middle of the night to watch the game. whether i fell asleep watching it was another story, but i absolutely loved watching it and it is obviously crazy to be here now, and it has only been four years. time flies. standing in their way is a familiar foe in scotland.

two years ago they faced each other at the euros, and scotland — hampered by injuries — were swept aside, but this time they will be far harder to beat. much of their hopes rest with their young star erin cuthbert. that‘s a decent effort from distance. that‘s a very good effort! erin cuthbert! and after a positive build—up to this tournament, their coach hopes they have peaked at the right time. i'm really excited about how we fare at a world cup. we came through the campaign, we topped the group, we've certainly grown and matured asa team. we are here on merit, but now it is about how we measure ourselves against, you know, some of the best teams in the world. and this is where the journey begins for scotland. it is where they will play theirfirst ever world cup match, when they take on england here at the stade de nice on sunday. the tournament itself kicks off tonight nearly 600 miles away from here in paris. the opening match, between hosts

france and south korea, a sell—out at the parc des princes. this women‘s world cup promises to be the biggest and most widely watched yet. it represents a huge opportunity to grow the game. translation: that is something i'm proud of, to see little girls identify with me. we've come a long way now in women's football. players are more visible so it's inevitable girls will identify with players like me. when i was younger i didn't get the chance to see women players on tv. coverage for women's football was nonexistent, but today things have changed — it is becoming the norm and this is great. there‘s already a feel—good factor around this tournament. soon, the football begins and here both teams will be hoping to capture the world‘s attention. i will have more for you in sports day at 6:30pm. including use of disappointment forjohanna konta at the french open.

theresa may has officially stepped down as the leader of the conservative party — though she remains prime minister until her replacement is elected. her resignation triggers the start of the party‘s leadership contest, with eleven mps already in the running. for more now on her legacy and what happens now, i am joined by caroline slocock, director of the civil exchange and former private secretary to margaret thatcher — and fraser nelson, editor of the specator and columnist for the daily telegraph. fraser, how will the conservatives look back on theresa may‘s do you think? with a groan. been a calamity, they elected a leader, theresa may, who promised to rid britain of these burning injustices. she proceeded to do none of that. she got bogged down in brexit. she called a general election with just one mission, to get brexit done, and failed. she‘s wasted three years, and has done huge damage to the reputation of the

conservative party. you can get away with cruel and competent, but once you take away competence, you aren‘t left with much. they are the only party who have produced two female prime minister, but how well have they really treated them? i think one, to be thrown out while in office might be seen as a one—off, but both of the female prime minister is to be the far less rated, where they were actually prime minister, i think shows a pattern. i think the conservatives, they deserve some credit, i suppose, for having two female prime minister, but i think that, you know, they've opened the doors to these women, but to glass cliffs, really. margaret thatcher took over from ted heath, who had failed at the unions, and taken them on and theresa may was given the impossible task, really by boris johnson.

theresa may was given the impossible task, really by borisjohnson. it's notjust her fault that task, really by borisjohnson. it's not just her fault that she's failed, i think it's the fault of the conservative party, before putting her this position. i think that there is a nasty political culture, deep in the heart of the conservative party towards women. you heard it last october when backbenchers and a former minister was saying we are heating the knife, we are going to twist it into her front, and she should bring a noose to the meeting with backbenchers. beneath the apparent chivalry, i think there is still a nastiness, notjust in the conservative party, to be fair, there was rain and death threats that women in politics are still getting our symptomatic, really, of a culture that is not supportive of women in power. which of theresa may‘s of preoccupations and policies are not likely to

survive to the next prime minister? many of her policies will be there in the vine. she wanted to vastly expand grammar schools, and that is certainly not going to happen. she had this mean approach to language anyway, that sherwood take on immigration. she referred to citizens of nowhere, she wouldn‘t give eu nationals assurances and wa nt to give eu nationals assurances and want to be seen as robust. she believed very strongly that the general public was on her side and wa nted general public was on her side and wanted to keep immigration rates down. polls show that‘s true, but the tone that she took, the citizens of nowhere agenda, had too much resonance with the windrush debacle, and conservatives want to get away from that. i think her form of a liberal conservativism is likely to be replaced with an era of liberal conservatism which is likely to succeed her. be it borisjohnson or

michael gove, you can expect a very different tone of voice from the newcomers. how does that sit with delivering brexit then? when a lot of people say that immigration featured in their reason to vote leave? support for immigration is right up in britain, concerns have gone down. brexit wasn‘t an anti—immigration vote. it was about better managing immigration. britain remains one of the most globally minded countries in europe, if not the world, and one of the most welcoming to immigrants. it was never the case that brexit would somehow decide britain didn‘t like immigrants, they just would somehow decide britain didn‘t like immigrants, theyjust thought the system was out of control. now people think the system is likely to be brought more in control they can see a decline in the worries about immigration. so this is the paradox. those who don‘t like brexit see it as xenophobic, but if you look at the opinion polls, that‘s not at all the opinion polls, that‘s not at all

the case. most people just want to ta ke the case. most people just want to take back control of these powers of immigration in britain in the same way that most countries in the world have immigration controls over their own borders. caroline, how likely is it that the next conservative female prime minister will have to be a bloody difficult woman, as both theresa may and margaret thatcher have been described ? it's quite likely, i there, because i think the path they've had to tread to get to that point makes them bloody—minded, and ken clarke, who called both the female prime minister is bloody difficult women, ina way, minister is bloody difficult women, in a way, that's what you get. you get what you wish well. i think both women, in the past, have developed qualities which are in response to that. including finding themselves increasingly and clubbable inside numberten, unable to increasingly and clubbable inside number ten, unable to unite different sides of the party. i'd like to think that the next

generation of women will emerge with a different culture. perhaps, they are out there. ruth davidson, for example. but women in power today are still struggling. i felt that margaret thatcher wasn't being treated fairly, all being portrayed ina way treated fairly, all being portrayed in a way that she should have been portrayed. for all her faults, in a way that she should have been portrayed. forall herfaults, she has been characterised as misogynistic,. thank you both for joining us. the headlines. the woman who killed her husband after decades of emotional buzz walks free from court after having her murder conviction reduced to manslaughter —— andi conviction reduced to manslaughter —— and i got emotional abuse walks free. theresa may officially resigns as conservative leader in a letter