‘oui’ ‘our way south on, they will filter our way south and eastwards, we could see them forming into bands, we could see a few but others could see very little, the winds will be lighter and the sunshine should be warmer tomorrow, 19 or 20 celsius for east anglia and southeast england and most should be in the mid—if not high teens. into monday, keeping an eye on what's happening across france, frontal systems work north and westwards so that will bring rain initially on monday, probably into east anglia and southeast england. through the day, that rain will transfer across a large swathe of england and wales, bringing a wet start to the week. northern england escaping the rain but we will see showers here for scotland and northern ireland, heavy where we get them, quite a cool day on monday where we got the rain, just 12 or 13 celsius, in the sunshine, 15 or 16 celsius. northern ireland probably mainly dry on tuesday but for much of next week, it's an unsettled and

cool feel. hello, this is bbc news. the headlines: michael gove — one of the front runners for the conservative leadership — says his past cocaine use more than 20 years ago should not be held against him in his bid to become prime minister. us president donald trump lifts the threat of tariffs on imports

from mexico after its government promises to act over migrants, asylum seekers and border security. health officials launch an investigation into the deaths of three hospital patients in manchester and liverpool who ate pre—packed sandwiches linked to an outbreak of listeria. the duchess of sussex makes her first public appearance since giving birth, alongside other members of the royal family at the annual trooping the colour parade. and the fifa women's world cup kicked—off last night, with hosts france easing to a dominant 4—0 win over south korea. now on bbc news — 100 women. following recent sexual abuse allegations against several high profile creatives, should we be pausing for thought before going to the cinema, the art gallery or the bookshop? i'm aasmah mir, here at hay festival celebrating literature and the arts.

as allegations of abuse continue to be leveled against powerful creatives, bbc 100 women is here to ask the question, should we boycott controversial artists? welcome to hay festival, from a very blustery bbc tent. filled with creatives from the worlds of art, music, film and literature. worlds that have recently seen some of the most high—profile artists facing allegations of abuse. one thing we do need to say at the start, many of these artists facing allegations have not been charged with any offence, let alone faced trial, and in most cases, they have publicly and strongly denied any misconduct alleged against them. now, i think it's fair to say that society has always questioned

whether the behaviour of an artist is relevant to their art. but the question seems all the more urgent in a post metoo era. #metoo is trending on every part of the internet. millions of women across the world have been sharing the experiences of sexual harassment. in october 2017, the words #metoo started a revolution. time is up, we see you, we hearyou. a new day is on the horizon. days earlier, allegations against harvey weinstein had been printed. dozens of women have accused the movie mogul of sexual harassment, abuse or rape. sexual harassment, abuse or rape. he has admitted that his behaviour in the past has "caused a lot of pain". but he denies engaging in nonconsensual sex.

you know what, we all make mistakes, second chance, i hope. over the last 18 months, the #metoo movement spread around the world. the highest profile figure in india's #metoo movement, which is exploded in the last few months engulfing politicians, journalists and people in bollywood. the k—pop industry here in korea has been rocked by a series of sex and corruption allegations. recently, more allegations against music legends have hit the headlines. every time i was with him, every single time i stayed the night with him, he abused me. michaeljackson‘s family has strongly denied the claims. even the most powerful people in the arts world are now having their positions questioned. harvey weinstein has been expelled from the organisation that runs at the oscars. he is facing trial later this year. the influential tv company netflix says it will no longer work with the actor kevin spacey as allegations against him mount up. spacey denies sexual assault

allegations against him. we are here to make it known that it does not matter how well he can sing, he is a predator. the singer r kelly is awaiting trial on ten counts of sexual abuse. all of which he denies. the question now being asked by many — can we consume the works of people accused of abuse with a clear conscience? and joining me to debate the question are... what i would love to hear from you all first, seems many

people in society are grappling with this idea of separation again, and i suppose the question really is, has the debate maybe you think twice about reading a book and listening to a song or watching a film, has it changed your behaviour at all? my personal view has been that i go to the specific piece of art to have a transformation as somebody who loves art. and i am not always aware of the biography of the creator of that work, but definitely there is a sense of wanting at least for me, as an individual, to widen the conversation, for me to say, well, what has years of privileging certain voices and culture meant to those people who have been erased? ifeel like 0k, there have been many women who have

been, you know, become invisible in the history of art and literature, so my idea is to widen rather than to remove that 0k, 0k, this is no longer consumable or readable to say ok well i'm going to find the voices that speak to me. we all have different experiences to this — i was in the kitchen and a michaeljackson song came on the radio and — fantastic and then i caught thinking can i still enjoy it though? i don't know, what do you think you have those moments? yeah, i had that exact moment, i was recently choosing songs for the reception at my wedding, and the band listed several michaeljackson songs, and we were trying to weigh up how it would make people people feel, and but also that is going to crowd up the dance floor, no question. yeah, of course, it does crop up, and i would say every day but i agree with what she says about, i believe art has power to transform whether we are talking about high art or pop songs. they do move people and they change people, and i think no matter how

awful what someone has done, i hope we can separate it — not for the person to be forgiven. or for it to excuse what they have done in any way, but that if the art can bring some happiness to people, it seems a shame to lose that. if it's possible, but i know it's not always possible. what do you think? i had an event a few months ago, and they asked me to pick a song to come out to, and i chose michael jackson's liberian girl. being liberian myself, and rarely see myself represented in the arts, it was a special song to many liberian girls, but i remember when their recent documentary was aired, contacting the producer of the show and letting her know i wanted to change the song. and in hindsight, if i'm honest, because everything happened so quickly and i didn't even see the documentary, i was unsure if it was an emotional reaction to what i had heard that he had been accused of,

or if i was being sensitive to those who did have an emotional reaction, and i think that's what we all grapple with especially in this day and age, everything is happening so quickly, and we don't have as much time that we need to really process what is happening. we are all talking about individuals, most of whom actually deny the allegations and the court cases are still to come, but there are some individuals like bill cosby, who is serving a sentence now, but does it make a difference to you, are there degrees of discomfort or degrees of how you withdraw from that culture? if the present has been convicted, as opposed to that person not being convicted, rachel, does it make a difference to you? yes, i think it has to make a difference because i think what you are trying to achieve in avoiding someone's work who is alive and still doing that art and trying to make money from it and still trying to be successful and still

protecting their reputation, and they have not been punished for what they did, then a boycott sends a signal to them that it's not acceptable and it's a form of punishment if they have not received one already and there's a purpose to that, but i do feel like if it has happened, if they are either dead or if they have had their punishment like if we are talking about something that's not ongoing any more than yeah, it's different than talking about more of a personal reaction to it rather than a practical response. would it make a difference to you? you know, i don't think so. i think once someone is associated with a crime, just as an artist, the way that i patronize art, it's always from and it's always from an unwillingly analytical place. where i am always sort of looking at the artist's process and technique, and so if i am patronizing any piece of art, and there is an artist who has been associated with a certain crime, for me it breaks the fourth wall.

and it really messes with my desire for escapism, and i think the issue and conundrum is that there is no artistic product that is from one source. and so, how do you punish these crimes or how do you disengage with that association without punishing other artists who are associated with the work? what do you think? you know, i have never looked to artists for moral codes of conduct, i just don't think of say poets or painters as being, you know, the sort of moral vanguards of society and i don't think... i think the places they are coming from is typically on the margin and frequently quite dark, and that's the reason why they make art. but i wonder how far back we can go, because you all know that there are... once the debate starts

in the present day, people will then start to re—examine historically — how far back do we go do you think? ithink... we can go as far back as you like and there will still be an infinite number of things you don't know about the artists' lives, they will be those you know. we know that wagner was anti—semitic, we know roald dahl is also anti—semitic, but there are other number of people we don't know about, so that may stretch back as far as you like in history. i think it's sometimes framed as either—or, do we acknowledge how monstrous those views were or do we ignore that because the art was so beautiful? and i think it's possible to do both, to acknowledge — wow, they had some really terrible views, and therefore we can mark that that should not happen and to keep working on that you shared those don't happen today, whilst preserving some beautiful books that meant

the world to children all over the world. you mentioned an interesting point earlier talking about i think you mentioned the word role models, you said you did not look to artist for them to be role models. but is it fair to say that some people do? i think it's very, very dangerous to go down that road because i think we will be left with no art if we start to judge people morally and say ok, you were not a good mother, you were too busy writing your books, or you know ranging from sexual harassment, which we are focusing on today, back to any number of things, i think that's the point of art, it reminds us of the awfulness, but also the incredible beauty and so i would be very hesitant to say that we remove and we get rid of something that's been made by someone who is not a perfect human being. the art they create should not be

used as an excuse in any way, but in terms of them being a role model, especially cos i'm coming from the comedy world, and there are plenty of examples especially at the moment of comedians who have been accused of sexual crimes and the comedy world has historically and still is rife with #metoo stories, but comedians especially, who would ever think a comedian would be a role model? like, that is, if you're looking at comedians for role models that you're doing something wrong already. i think what's really interesting about some of the stuff written about this is the idea of a cancel culture, the idea that you did this, or alleged to have done it, one person says you have done it therefore you are cancelled. i don't want to see your films any more, you are not going to be involved in any more films, do you think there is a danger

of the cancel culture, and do you think it's necessarily a bad thing? so, i think that there is something to be said about being able to financially disempower either an institution or individual for their crimes. if they are predatory or have predatory practises, and it's been proven successful where my concern is that a band—aid? when they put out a press release saying we are very sorry or then implement a diverse hiring practise and things like that — we'll have more women at the table, is it a band—aid or is it actually addressing some of the issues at the institutional level? is it possible for people to redeem themselves like harvey weinstein said in the video of how everyone gets a second chance do you believe in that? you know, i certainly believe in forgiveness, right, i believe forgiveness but i think

that a lot of what we see happening, it's up to those who have been personally affected as well. their relationship with the allegations with what happens and whatever it is they decide to do and however long it takes for them to grieve and process what's happening but collectively and individually and i think as a woman, i try in every way to support. i'm sure from what you have said you're not a fan of this, you would not be a an idea of cancelling an artist, what about the idea of second chances and redemption and the rest of it? the truth is i do not know what to do with some of the people of the stories that come out, i am conflicted, but what i want to do is say who has been excluded from this because of, you know, not so much to do with the individual it's with the institutions and the structures that support and make these people, how did harvey weinstein get into that position, you know? and if we are talking about #metoo

as an idea that feminism can change structures and bring in new structures, then this is a moment where we start to have a different conversation and to say, what does it mean that we have not heard from this entire section of this population? so i am more again about widening the vision rather than narrowing it. i'm neverfor throwing anyone off the mountain. and this idea of polarised punishment culture, you are either in or out or cancelled or recommissioned basically. do you buy it? i agree when you say it has to be effective and i think it is, it has a specific goal, you know, in order to say to the weinstein company we will not have it now, that patriarchal structure has to be broken somehow. but for example i'm

thinking like the comedian who is accused of behaving badly. the sexual encounter that he had and his understanding it was consensual but the women involved did not feel that it was consensual. he was in a very popular female lead tv show and i was shattered and i'm wondering should we stop watching it because he's in it. who loses out if we cancel it? so now i think sometimes it works but you have to be really careful in what you are cancelling. and the debate around what we can listen to and watching the rest of it is it the same to be at the same question india? it has been interesting because the #metoo movement has had us a year later. we had not had the big file like our movie industry,

there have been cases here and there but i think people are asking that question of what do you expect from art and artists, how do we want to be heard as a society and these are valid questions but my concern is if we get into this very get enough rest of all social media which we have not spoken about yet, is a huge role in the way the debate is happening, it's very difficult to have a nuanced discussion about it because it's either you are for or against it. and that leads to more polarisation in society and is not healthy i don't think, because a lot of it as individual case—by—case, these are peoples lives again, so i feel it's a very complicated thing, but i feel at least there is the conversation is happening. i feel that's going to be the way we go forward. how do you feel about the idea of morality clauses? the idea that publishers can write into contracts that you have to behave a certain way and if not we can cancel your contract and get back an advance. if it can be managed in a regal

level, if the conversation is inclusive in the backhand, because i think there are women and people of colour who are making decisions as well, it follows a legal guideline i think that will help deconstruct the institution. what do you think? it's a weird idea, it's obviously, they may be some good, but i think the fact they have just come mainly from insurance reasons and fear, than from these wonderful publishers saying oh i can't bear to publish the work of someone who has done wrong you know? it's not coming from that, so yes i hope it's a disincentive for people to break the law but if it could be written like you say, by people who don't normally get to make these type of rules, i think is absolutely crucial that it's not just again white male publishers sitting there going how am i not going to get sued?

and the practical responses, most people are self—interested, they don't want to lose money so if you tell them that's a possibility they lose money even though obviously it's not a noble intention to say i'm not going to be predatory because i don't want to be poor, but if it hinders in any way those actions, then it's difficult for me to look at it as not being progressive in some way. rachel, we should discuss comedy a little bit more because when you're talking about a comedian, pretty much always, they have written or contributed most material themselves, so is it different when you are asking someone to not consume that type of art because they are so identified with the art that it's been they're putting out on stage. it's hard not to mention louis ck, as an artist who's so successful, and so, so funny. allegations were made though about sexual misconduct, which he did admit and i don't think there has been any

criminal punishment but he admitted it was true and what now comes to light about how he's behaving is very intimately and almost literally connected to his material. he is describing his own attitude to sex, he is describing his attitude towards women and how he behaves and all of that is laid out like a manifesto in his comedy. so, yes, it's a bit different because in that situation it is much harder to make that... that disconnection between art and artist. can anything good come out of the situation that we find ourselves in post #metoo and in the middle of waiting for the resolution of all these cases, have you seen any positives at all? i would say yes, i think there is a tremendous sense of solidarity amongst women, regardless of when theyjoined the movement based on privilege and history, we are all here now and i think that's a very inspiring.

certainly in the comedy world, wonderful things that happened, all—female groups in terms of feeding information from one woman to another, about what gigs are sexist and which are not, with nuances in between that, the solidarity that has come from that in my world has been incredibly dramatic. personally, have any of the three of you noticed any changes in the way you are perceived professionally or opportunities you've been presented with? for me it's been the other way around as someone who works to interview lots of writers, i realise the majority of our men have that's because editors located so as at present project i started to interview more when then because i really think there are many amazing female writers who do not —— we did not get their due,

so it's been about recalibrating my own personal prejudices or the sort of blind as we have, we'rejust going along with what we are fed so to really say no actually, go and find out more and educate yourself, go and find shakespeare's sister. what a fantastic note to and on, thank you so much, and one thing i want to say to everyone, for more stories on women around the world, you can head to our website. thank you so much to our guests. and think you all for coming. it isa it is a soggy saturday in places, thundery showers and heavy rain in places. this low pressure was with us places. this low pressure was with us yesterday. it is pulling

north—east, but the isobars are still close together, bringing gusty winds for a time through the rest of the afternoon. some heavy rain as well. the main focus of the rain through east anglia, the midlands and into eastern scotland. behind the rain, a beautiful afternoon here looking at chesil beach. but cloud is not far away. some thunderstorms developing across southern england. a band of rain across the north of england pulling away but still bringing persistent rain forest time. gusty winds, reaching 45 mph for eastern and southern counties of england. showers are slowly clear eastwards out of northern ireland. the rain we have across the northern half of the uk will ease eastwards this evening and overnight. for much of the night things become mainly dry. a few showers across the

western side of scotland and northern ireland. some missed and patchy fog. fairly cool. the winds will be lighter. tomorrow is much more straightforward. sunny spells and showers. not so many showers as recently, they will work further eastwards as the day wears on. they might form into bands, some will see quite a few, some not as many. the winds will be lighter. and so it should feel a bit warmer tomorrow. as we go into monday, keep an eye on france because we have frontal systems working towards us, pushing north and west. that will bring persistent rain first thing on monday for south—east england and east anglia initially. that will move through a large part of england and wales on monday. 0nly move through a large part of england and wales on monday. only the far north of england escaping the rain. for here and northern ireland and

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this is bbc news. i'm lukwesa burak. the headlines at three: michael gove — one of the front runners for the conservative leadership — says his past cocaine use more than 20 years ago should not be held against him in his bid to become prime minister. us president donald trump lifts the threat of tariffs on imports from mexico after its government promises to curb illegal immigration. health officials launch an investigation into the deaths of three hospital patients in manchester and liverpool — who ate pre—packed sandwiches linked to an outbreak of listeria. the queen isjoined by members of the royal family for the annual trooping the colour parade to mark her majesty's official birthday. a new law to protect service animals comes into force today,