tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News June 9, 2019 3:30pm-4:01pm BST
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hello. this is bbc news. i'm lewis vaughan jones. £39 billion brexit divorce bill we'll be joined by viewers on bbc one shortly for the tea—time until better terms are agreed for the uk to leave. news with mishal husain, but first. a woman dies after being struck by lightning while walking the conservative leadership on a mountain near ben nevis candidate michael gove has admitted he commited a criminal offence in the scottish highlands. when he took cocaine hundreds of thousands take on several occasions. to the streets of hong kong to protest against a planned law about extradition to china. speaking for the first time about his use of the class a drug england and scotland fans have descended on the south of france, he said he had a "profound sense as the two teams go head—to—head of regret" about it. in the women's world cup. he used cocaine when working now on bbc news, a look back at some as a journalist 20 years ago. of this week's stories covered by the victoria the assistant editor of conservative home, henry hill, derbyshire programme. told me that the issue of past drug use was always difficult for politicians. hello and welcome to our programme. i think that after rory stewart's for the next half hour we will bring you some of the exclusive opium smoking admission, that has and original journalism we've opened the floodgates on this. broadcast over the last week. first, it's now two and a half years it is always a thorny question for political candidates. since this programme revealed i think the problem for michael gove the horrific scale of historic child is that his position sexual abuse in football. when four ex—players spoke to us one friday morning on national television about what they had endured as boys, it stopped people in their tracks. the specialist police unit, operation hydrant, has
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since received over 2,800 referrals. andy woodward was the first player to break his silence. he was abused from the age of ten to 15 by his then coach, barry bennell. now he has written a book with new revelations about what happened to him and the impact that speaking out has had on his life. some of you may find the details of our conversation upsetting. he abused you on a regular basis. effectively every weekend, through summer holidays, sometimes christmas holidays. can you tell our viewers the impact on you as a young boy, and the enduring impact through your life? yeah, i mean, when i spoke about what had happened obviously people are aware of abuse and, you know, offences he committed against me, but in the book i have been able to explain how deep that was, and how many times...
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the magnitude of what that man did to me over a number of years, and the devastating effect that has had on my life, and i want people to understand that, because throughout my life i've had failed relationships, marriages, you know, i've had drink problems. you know, i have had bulimia, all of this... this is a mental illness now i've got i will have to carry for the rest of my life. and you considered taking your life on more than one... on numerous occasions, and i feel blessed and lucky i am still here obviously to be able to write this book, but it's about the future now. and my whole life has been devastated by this. you talk about other boys who were being abused by bennell at that time, and you were close to
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some of them, less to others, but you were in the same team, being coached at the same time, some a little older, some a little younger than you. and none of you spoke to each other. and none of you told anyone. can you explain why? yes, that is really key in the book, people can read and understand why you don't speak out about this, and the manipulation and the control over not only yourself as a child, but the families, and families also get groomed. including your parents, your siblings? yes, that's right, correct. and these individuals are that manipulative that i really wanted to express this in the book. honestly and truthfully, about exactly what happens when you are a victim of abuse, and it doesn't have to be just in football. it's in life. yes, absolutely. but your mum and dad were taken in by bennell,
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which is why they let you go and stay at his house. sometimes he abused you in their house. your mum and dad were obviously around when bennell started to go out with your sister, and many of our viewers won't know that in the end he married your sister. you were at the wedding of your sister as she married your abuser? absolutely. i mean, that is just extraordinary. and thatjust goes to show that amount of trust. and i was so protected as a young child. my parents were the most loving parents in the world and protective of both of us, yet my sister was also a victim, exactly the same. she was groomed, and this is the understanding in the book, that people will see what that man did, not only to me and my family, but to all the others as well. and this goes on, notjust about me, but it is about other people as well. what you also reveal is a horrifying secret that you discovered years later.
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your mum's sister had been murdered as a teenager, and you discovered who it was who had killed her, which had never been spoken about in your family. tell our audience about that. this has been a very difficult thing to obviously put into the book, but the book is all about honesty and truth. and what i needed to do, you know, god bless, for my mum as well, this was real. this is something that was shocking for us us and something for us and something as a family we've had to live through for many, many years. and i wanted people to understand how evil that man was and also the relation of it. it has been devastating for us but is something i have kept very quiet but i felt it was important that was put in the book.
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for everyone concerned to see — this is real, it is what happened. it was to do with barry bennell‘s cousin. what did he do? it's in the book, but he murdered my mum's sister, and the details are all in there in terms of what actually happened. but how does your family... ..kind of get their head round what the bennells have done to your family? us as a family, we believe our family has been cursed by the name bennell, and my mum is the bravest woman in the world, and she gives me inspiration. so we have come through it, and we are still here and we're still going, and that's what my focus is now. yeah, well, that is testament to you and your mum, and the family, actually, considering what you have endured over the years. you include in the book a text message we got to our programme
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while you were on air talking to us for the first time this is what it said. "i was sexually abused by a male relative of my birth family, and this has made me realise..." — this is during your interview when we were talking to you. "..i don't have to pretend anymore. "i can cry and not feel ashamed. "i would like to thank you so, so much." with this viewer's permission and your consent, we put you in touch with each other. we are obviously not going to mention this person's name, but tell us what this person was going through as he watched you live on this programme. yeah, and, you know, just for this one person it was worth doing. he was in a dark room and he had tablets ready to commit suicide. and he was a young teenager. that's right. i didn't know that at the time, but when i spoke to him... he stopped himself after watching me on victoria derbyshire. really?
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so you are also part of that, and now he is doing so well — he has got the therapy, he got the help, he is now in college and has a girlfriend, and i am so proud of him to do that. absolutely. what do you think of the way the fa have approached historic sexual abuse in football? again, that is in the book. i don't want to point fingers at organisations. i feel a "but" coming. there is a but. but it is down to the people reading exactly what happened to me, what they said to me, and where i am sat now, on my own — i have written a book but i am still on my own. you feel the words and actions didn't match up? no, absolutely not. right.
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and what do you think about that? it is for the organisations to sort of speak about that, if they want to, which they probably won't. i mention some figures in the last count. i mentioned some figures in the introduction. at the last count, 2,807 referrals to the police, 8a9 victims, 300 suspect identified, 340 clubs named. at least 97 others reported bennell after your interview. hundreds contacting the nspcc special helpline, which they set up as a result of you speaking out. i mean, the effect from what you did is enormous, isn't it? how do you reflect on what you changed, how you helped people? i am really proud of that. it is something that, you know, i will take that to my grave, to know that people have spoken out and got a voice out of it, and some of them will still be suffering now. i am really proud of that, victoria. but it's not been easy.
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you know, i think people think, "0h andy spoke out for the first time — how amazing you are", but it has been a really tough time, victoria. andy woodward. remember, if you have been affected by any of the issues he spoke about, there is help and information if you go to bbc.co.uk/actionline. this week saw the return of love island, after a year of controversy surrounding the reality tv show. it has faced criticism over a perceived lack of after—care for its stars, following the deaths of two former contestants, sophie gradon and mike thalassitis, as well as claims it has failed to reflect ethnic and body diversity. 12 months on from her appearance on the show, samira mighty told us about her struggle with anxiety, and just how much her life has changed. 0ur reporter anna collinson went to meet her. it's a cool evening in manchester, and former love island stars are attending the launch
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of a fashion line. 12 months after the reality show ended, going to events like this is nowjust part of theirjob. how are you? fine, thanks. good. west end performer samira mighty had 4,000 instagram followers when she entered the love island villa. when she left, she had a million. inside, the party is in full swing, with loud music and many influencers posting on their social media. samira's been to loads of influencer parties since leaving love island. this, however, is my first. what i've learned is you get a lot of free drinks, free food, free merchandise, and there's quite a lot of posing. if you're feeling yourself, then why not take a good photo? what about when you're not feeling yourself? sometimes obviously you're having a bad day and you have to, like, you have to go to this event and you're like, "ugh!" but you just have to suck it up, cos it is yourjob. free champagne isn't the only bonus. samira says attending these events also makes good business sense. if one influencer can reach a million people, then a group of influencers
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can reach millions. i try to support my friends as much as i can because then they can do the same for you when you have your own thing going on. there'll be people watching who'll think it's quite superficial and shallow. what would you say to those people? i can see how it looks like that way because it's all on instagram, it's all posing and make—up and stuff, but really we are just a group of people having fun and, like, that is theirjob, to influence. and also instagram is people'sjob. i never wanted to be an influencer, ever. samira has more social media followers than the uk's prime minister. it's a lot of power for a 23—year—old and, at times, can be quite overwhelming. i have this thing called insights and then you can see your audience. so 86% women. general age is 18 to 34. but you've got quite a lot of i3—to—i7—year—old girls following you. yeah, i've got i3— to i7—year—olds.
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a lot of them, actually. wow. and do they ever message you? all the time. i do get a lot of serious ones, which is hard to reply to all of them, because you don't want to make someone feel like you're helping them out and not helping out the other. samira's young followers regularly ask her for help about important issues. earlier this year, samira revealed she was having a lump in her breast removed. her mum previously had breast cancer, so samira wanted to encourage women, particularly black women, to get checked. i got a lot of messages from a lot of teenagers being like, "oh, you know, i was really scared but then i've gone and done it now and it's all fine." i had a lot of messages asking for medical help and some people actually sent me pictures of stuff, and i was like, "oh, my god. i am not a doctor." so the main thing i'd say was, "go to the gp, go to the gp, go to the gp." after weeks of being unlucky in the villa last summer, samira's loyal following hoped she'd finally found love with fellow contestant frankie foster. but a few months later footage of him kissing another girl emerged and they broke up. the public break—up thing made me really depressed and, like, i wasjust... you know, you've got all these followers but you feel really alone.
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i had so much anxiety, i felt sick all the time, i got really skinny. know what i mean? you weren't eating? yeah, i wasn't eating and i just looked awful. despite the heartbreak, samira says she was well supported by producers and psychologists. they were literally on tap. you could send a message at iam and they would reply, being, like, "hey, i'll call you in the morning," and you're like, "fine." while samira's experiences were positive, some people have raised concerns about the psychological support and aftercare on reality tv shows. it follows the death of two former love island contestants and the death of a contributor on thejeremy kyle show. it's often the producers who are blamed, so getting them to talk is difficult. they've also told us the industry is small and they fear they could lose theirjob. but we did find one who agreed to speak if we didn't reveal her identity. she's worked on high—profile reality shows on itv, e4 and mtv. all the reality shows i've worked on have offered support. participants are warned about what could happen, like their friends being offered money for horrible stories about them. but theyjust don't take it seriously enough. those talks happened before the love island deaths. they'll probably just need
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to be more serious now. when reality stars say production companies should support them, i think, "why don't you give production company some money from your personal appearances? use that money for your mental health. " people need to take some responsibility for themselves. as mps investigate the support given to reality tv stars, this year's love island cast will benefit from a new duty of care process. itv says all contributors will receive at least eight therapy sessions when they leave the show and they will be trained on how to manage their social media and money. following calls for more of a variety of contestants, this year's show includes a plus—sized model. i guess everyone‘s talking about more diversity, different body types, and when i was in there obviously i know there was a lot of stuff outside about being the only dark—skinned girl. but didn't really faze me much. i think it would be great to see more different races in there. samira is grateful for all the opportunities that have come her way since appearing on love island. she also says she's accepted that
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at some point she may be replaced. the new season's coming up, you kind of pray that no—one looks exactly like you and is you. you can't think of it that way, you've got take your own path because otherwise you'lljust become a follower. and you can watch all our films on the website. bbc.co.uk/victoria. the race to become the next prime minister has been labelled a shambles by one of the conservative party's own mps. with so many candidates standing, the party has had to change its own rules to reduce the number of people who get to the first round. this week i spoke to one of the contenders, former work and pensions secretary esther mcvey. if you get the job, will you end austerity? what do you mean by austerity? savings, cuts. for example, would you immediately end the freeze on working age
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benefits which would help most of all, according to thejoseph rowntree foundation, working families in poverty with children? so when we came in in 2010, what we had to do because the finances were out of kilter, was make sure we were living within our means. i'm asking, would you now end it? it already will be ending very shortly, the cap, because it was put in place for a certain amount of time to enable the country to get back on its feet, which we have now done. so what i have said, when i have launched my agenda, which is wide—ranging, i said that what we need to do is put the extra money that we need, £4 billion into schools, and £3 billion into policing because we are in a different position from where we were in 2010. you need somebody who is a nimble leader who can change things when they need to be changed. that is why i have said we will support public sector workers, because we need to. you would pay for that money
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you have just mentioned from the international aid budget, and you know we spend a tiny amount of our national wealth on foreign aid, 0.7%. yet you would take £7 billion or so from that budget, which helps some of the poorest people in the whole world — you would cut that budget? if we look at what has happened with that foreign aid budget, whilst other budgets, as you said, were either being held at a fixed rate or cut, that was the only one which has nearly doubled. so i have said, "let's go back to it." it was at historically high rates in 2010. it would be less than 0.7% of our national wealth if you were prime minister? yes, and hardly any countries are on 0.7%. so i say, "let's go back." we can't be giving money away when we haven't got
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i have watched all the interviews you have done recently and you often mention fairness. how fair was it when you were minister for disabled people to force people with disabilities to effectively fight for financial support to which they were legally entitled to? again, how are you explaining that? which bit was i making people fight for support? where exactly are you talking about there? through the work capability assessments, which many of our audience have told us were sometimes very stressful, sometimes humiliating and sometimes, frankly, absurd. ok, so this is a system i was carrying forward. actually, the labour government brought that through. and when people go for any benefit, there will always be a gateway check to make sure you are eligible for that benefit. so actually that was brought in by the labour government. and then we thought, "how do we make it a fairer system?" 0ur audience would not call it fair.
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we are talking about the movement from dla, disability living allowance to pip. that's a different assessment. two assessments, work capability assessment and the assessment where people move from dla onto pip. we want pip to be a more generous system, not only to people with physical disabilities, but we also looked at sensory ones, whether it was learning disabilities, blind, disabilities, sensory — blind, deaf, and how do we get people the benefit they need? spending on pip has gone up every year. so it is actually more generous than dla. some people lost benefits. but let me read to messages. nina grant has an illness which affects the joints and connective tissues, causing fatigue,
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dizziness and frequent injuries. she is a member of the labour party, from london. "i was given zero points in response to my first pip assessment. because of this i spent over a year living on £73 a week, struggling to make ends meet. "it had a huge impact on my mental health as well. "i wrote all about the history of mental health problems in the pip application but was not asked a single question about it. "it felt like we weren't human beings to them, let alone potentially vulnerable." i brought in, how do we make this more sort of caring, more accepting of all the disabilities? and that is why actually the spend on pip has gone up more than dla. i'm not talking about the spend, i'm talking about the process. let me read you another e—mail. my husband... and i brought in video—taping as well. "my husband matt ward has huntington's disease, a terminal neurological
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genetic disease which affects my husband physically, psychologically and socially. he was subjected to the most awful and degrading assessment. i feel myself angry, frustrated and saddened that he was made to go through this degrading process in such an inhumane way." and you were partly responsible for that. do you accept that? hang on a second. if we ever heard about issues like this they would have to straightaway say why this had come about. and so we would monitor them, make sure that actually they are as best as they could possibly do. was it fair to put those people through that? if it was wrong, and maybe it was in this instance, they would be allowed straight away another assessment to try and make sure that they got the benefit that they should get. so i have always been open—minded that if it was wrong, if the assessment didn't work correctly, then we had to get it better. and so for the last couple
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of years we have continually improved the process. now, i'm not saying there is more to do. there will always be more to do. but i think you need to understand we are one of the most generous countries in our support for disabled people. £50 billion a year, and we will continue to be so. but where we hear something is wrong then it has to be put right. you have said you will take the uk out of the eu on october 31 even if there is no deal. is that a cast—iron guarantee from you ? we have to be out on the 31st of october. that is the date we need to be out. deal or no deal? deal or no deal, that is the date we need to have left by. can you actually do that? can you take the country out of the eu with no deal knowing that with a combination of the speaker and the fact there is a majority of mps in the house against no deal,
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that would stop you? again i think we need to look at how process works. there is a lot wrong on this in the media and maybe in what you are saying. what we've got is article 50, which means we are leaving on the date, that is the 31st of october. so whilst other people might try and frustrate it, and you are quite right — most mps have never reconciled with the fact that the country voted to leave — they have tried to derail it. so how would you stop them? that's what i'm not clear about. well, let me explain. the prime minister last time kept bringing forward her withdrawal agreement. so when you bring something forward to the floor of the house, it's only then things can be amended. 0nce emotion is laid. and then you can alter the journey and the course. i wouldn't bring back the withdrawal agreement. there would be nothing to amend to alter it.
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would you not expect mps to find some other legislative vehicle, whether a private members bill or whatever, some way to engineer a vote on it? this is what they did last time. you're talking about 0liver letwin and yvette cooper. 0n the back of bringing something forward they had the prime minister seek an extension. she only had to seek an extension, she didn't have to do it. actually it was the prime minister who altered things. i understand process in the house is complicated. but when i listen to people like yourselves talking you don't quite understand the process in the house. forget my words, matt hancock, your rival, says a no—deal brexit won't happen because parliament won't allow it. is he just plain wrong? the only way, and unless he wanted to be prime minister and keep bringing back the withdrawal agreement, and he does seem to be following theresa may's path, they could lay amendments and try and frustrate it. but if you don't something bring
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something back to the floor of the house to amend, it cannot be amended and derailed in that way. you don't think there would be another legislative vehicle they could use to stop at? i'm sure people will try and frustrate the will of the british people. they describe it as frustrating, but that could work, that could stop the uk leaving with no deal on the 31st. it couldn't. because the prime minister has the ability to ensure things don't happen to frustrate things on the floor of the house. and therefore the only thing that is in law is article 50. saying that we are leaving, that's what we've got to ensure we do. that's all for this week. if you have a story you can e—mail us. we are back at monday morning 10am on bbc two and the bbc news channel. and online. thanks for watching. hello. the summer thanks for watching. hello. the summer solstice less than a fortnight away but the week ahead will feel more like that. for now, sunshine for some but for others
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heavy and frequent showers, with thunder and hail storms, continuing to work west to east this evening and tonight. 0nly slowly fading but as the night wears on things become mainly dry, still some showers across south—west england and persistent rain into south—east england and east anglia. a cold night across the southern half of the uk. temperatures not much lower than nine or ten but we could see two or three across rural scotland. the main focus of the weather in the week ahead is the slow—moving front already arriving in south—east england and east anglia overnight and through tomorrow it slowly works its way north and west into the midlands, parts of east wales. south—west england will see some heavy thundery showers. much of northern ireland, scotland and northern england, scattering of showers, but here the best of the dry weather with spells of sunshine. we start to pick up a brisk north—easterly wind. the persistent rain will make it feel quite cool, just 13 or 14 celsius. even with the sunshine, just 15 or 16 celsius.
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into tuesday, this frontal system still with us going really nowhere fast. by this stage, the main focus for the rain is across the eastern side of england, east yorkshire up toward tyneside, and across a large swathe of northern england, into wales and south—west england. for much of scotland and northern ireland, again mainly dry with one 01’ ireland, again mainly dry with one or two showers. sharp showers down here. notice the strength of the winds, a really cool, autumnalfeel. large swathes of northern england there. some could see a month's worth of rain injust a there. some could see a month's worth of rain in just a few days from this slow—moving frontal system. by wednesday it starts to push into scotland and northern ireland, but still some heavy and persistent rain across parts of northern england and wales for a time. further south, northern england and wales for a time. furthersouth, some northern england and wales for a time. further south, some spells of sunshine once again and some heavy, foundry showers. i really unsettled week ahead. certainly quite a cool feel on wednesday, just 13 or 14 celsius. sunshine across east anglia and south—east england but the theme to ta ke
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