to end the late spells of sunshine to end the day for some, but for others heavy and frequent showers, thundery with some hail stones in them, and they will continue to work their way from west to east through this evening and at first tonight, only slowly fading. but as the night goes on, things become mainly dry, showers gci’oss things become mainly dry, showers across the southwest and persistent rain into south—east england and east anglia. it would be a cold night across the southern half of the uk, temperature is not much lower than nine or 10 celsius, could see two or three across rural parts of scotland. the main focus of the weather in the week ahead is this slow—moving front already arriving into south—east england and east anglia overnight, and through tomorrow, it slowly works its way north and westwards into the midlands, parts of east wales, for south—west england we will see some heavy, thundery showers, much of this is bbc news, northern ireland, scotland and i'm lewis vaughan jones. northern england, a scattering of the headlines at 5pm. showers, but here the best of the dry weather with spells of sunshine. michael gove acknowledges we start to pick up a brisk he committed a crime when he took cocaine while working north—easterly wind, so where we as a journalist 20 years ago. have the persistent rain, it is going to feel quite cool, 13 or 1a yes, it was a crime, it was a mistake.

celsius, and even where we have the i deeply regret it. 15 fire engines are attending a fire sunshine, just 15 or 16 celsius. as at a block of flats in east london. we go into tuesday, the frontal system a re we go into tuesday, the frontal six floors of the building system are still with us, going are alight, no injuries nowhere fast. by this stage, the have been reported. main focus of the rain will be chanting across the eastern side of england, a huge protest in hong kong east yorkshire up towards tyneside, against a new law that would allow and across a large swathe of suspected criminals to be northern england, wrapping itself extradited to china. around into wales in the south—west. mainland china uses all sorts of way again for much of scotland and to exercise their so—called northern ireland, mainly dry with one 01’ northern ireland, mainly dry with one or two showers, could see some dictatorship in hong kong. sharp showers across the south—east and east anglia, but things turning to kidnap the people and east anglia, but things turning a little drier, but notice the strength of the wind, and a cool they treat as enemies. autumnalfeel, strength of the wind, and a cool autumnal feel, some could see as much of a month of rain injust a few days from this slow—moving i will continue frontal system. by the time we get to wednesday, it starts to push its way into scotland and northern ireland, but still some heavy and persistent rain across parts of northern england and wales for a time, further south some spells of sunshine but once again some heavy, thundery showers. so it is a really u nsettled thundery showers. so it is a really unsettled week ahead. certainly quite a cool field on wednesday,

just 13 or 1a celsius, may be getting up to 18 or 19 where you get the sunshine across east anglia and the sunshine across east anglia and the south—east. the theme to take away from this forecast in the week ahead, heavy rain at times, windy and also rather cool. hello, this is bbc news. i'm lewis vaughan jones. the headlines: michael gove has acknowledged he committed a crime when he took cocaine while working as a journalist 20 years ago. the home secretary, sajid javid, attacks middle class drug—users for "destroying the lives" of those caught up in the supply chain. meanwhile, borisjohnson has said he would not pay britain's £39 billion brexit divorce bill until better terms are agreed for the uk to leave. chanting a huge protest in hong kong against a new law that

would allow suspected criminals to be extradited to china. a woman dies after being struck by lightning while walking on a mountain near ben nevis in the scottish highlands. and in the women's world cup, england and scotland's campaigns are about to kick off as they face each other in nice. now on bbc news — our series 100 women, following recent sexual abuse allegations against several high profile creatives. should we be pausing for thought before going to the cinema, the art gallery or the bookshop? i'm aasmah mir, here at hay festival celebrating literature and the arts. as allegations of abuse continue to be levelled against powerful creatives, bbc 100 women is here to ask the question, should we boycott controversial artists? welcome to hay festival, from a very blustery bbc tent.

filled with created from the worlds of art, music, film and literature. worlds that have recently seen some of the most high—profile artists facing allegations of abuse. one thing we do need to say at the start, many of these artists facing allegations have not been charged with any offence, let alone faced trial, and in most cases they have publicly and strongly denied any misconduct alleged against them. now, i think it's fair to say that society has always questioned whether the behaviour of an artist is relevant to their art. but the question seems all the more urgent in a post metoo era. #metoo is trending on every part of the internet. millions of women across the world had been sharing the experiences of sexual harassment. in october 2017, the words #metoo

started a revolution. time is up, we see you, we hearyou. a new day is on the horizon. days earlier, allegations against harvey weinstein had been printed. dozens of women had accused the movie mogul of sexual harassment, abuse or rape. he has admitted that his behaviour in the past has caused a lot of pain. but he denies engaging in nonconsensual sex. you know what? we all make mistakes, i get a second chance i hope. over the last 18 months, the #metoo movement spread around the world. it's the highest profile figure in india's #metoo movement, which is exploded in the last few months engulfing politicians, journalists and people in bollywood. the k—pop industry here in korea has been rocked by a series of sex and corruption allegations.

recently, more allegations against music legends had hit the headlines. every time i was with him, every single time i stayed the night with him, he abused me. michaeljackson's family has strongly denied the claims. even the most powerful people in the arts world are now having their positions questioned. harvey weinstein has been expelled from the organisation that runs at the oscars. he is facing trial later this year. the influential tv company netflix says it will no longer work with the actor kevin spacey as allegations against him mount up. spacey denies sexual assault allegations against him. we are here to make it known that it does not matter how well he can sing — he is a predator. the singer r kelly is awaiting trial on ten counts of sexual abuse. all of which he denies. the question now being asked

by many, can we consume the works of people accused of abuse with a clear conscience? and joining me to debate the question are... what i would love to hear from you all first, seems many people in society are grappling with this idea of separation again and i suppose the question really is, have the debate maybe you think twice about reading a book and listening to a song or watching a film, has it changed your behaviour at all?

tashani? my personal view has been that i go to the specific piece of art to have a transformation as somebody who loves art. and i am not always aware of the biography of the creator of that work, but definitely there is a sense of wanting at least for me, as an individual, to widen the conversation, for me to say, well, like as years that privilege and certain voices and culture meant to those people who have been erased, i feel like 0k, there have been many women who had been, you know, become invisible in the history of art and literature, so my idea is to widen rather than to remove and... ok, this is no longer consumable or readable, to say ok, wel,l i'm going to find

the voices that speak to me. we all have different experiences to this because i was in the kitchen of michaeljackson song came on the radio and ipod fantastic and then i caught thinking can i still enjoy it though? i don't know, what do you think you have those moments? rachel, do you have those moments? yeah, i had that exact moment, i was recently choosing songs for the reception at my wedding, and the band listed several michaeljackson songs, and we were trying to weigh up how it would make people people feel, and but also that is going to crowd up the dance floor, no question. yeah, of course, it crops up, i would say every day, but i agree with what tashani says about i believe art has power to transform whether we are talking about high art or pop songs. they do move people and they change people and i think no matter how awful what someone has done is, i hope we can separate it — not for the person to be forgiven, or for it to excuse what they have done in any way, but that if the art can bring some happiness to people, it seems a shame to lose that. if it's possible, but i know it's

not always possible. what do you think? i had an event a few months ago, and they asked me to pick a song to come out to you and i chose michael jackson's liberian girl. being liberian myself, and rarely seeing myself represented in the arts, it's a special song to many liberian girls, but i remember when their recent documentary was aired, contacting the producer of the show and letting her know i wanted to change the song. and in hindsight, if i'm honest, because everything happened so quickly and because i didn't even see the documentary, i was unsure if it was an emotional reaction to what i had heard he had been accused of, or if i was being sensitive to those who did have an emotional reaction, and i think that's what we all grapple with, especially in this day and age, everything is happening so quickly, and we don't have as much time that we need to really process what is happening. we are obviously talking about individuals,

most of whom actually deny the allegations and in the court cases are still to come, but there are some individuals, for example, like bill cosby, who is serving a sentence now, but does it make a difference to you, are there degrees of discomfort or degrees of how you withdraw from that culture? if the person has been convicted as opposed to that person not being convicted — rachel, does it make a difference to you? yes, i think it has to make a difference, because i think what you are trying to achieve in avoiding someone's work who is alive and still doing that art and still trying to make money from it and still trying to be successful and still protecting their reputation, and who haven't been punished for what they did, and a boycott sends a signal to them that it's not acceptable and it's a form of punishment if they haven't received one already and there's a purpose to that, but i do feel

like if what has happened — if they are either dead or if they have had their punishment, like, if we are talking about something that's not ongoing any more then, yeah, it's different than talking about more of a personal reaction to it rather than a practical response. would it make a difference to you? you know, i don't think so. i think once someone is associated with a crime, just as an artist, the way that i patronize art, it's always from an unwillingly analytical place. where i am always sort of looking at the artist's process and their technique, and so if i am patronizing any piece of art, and there is an artist who has been associated with a certain crime, for me it would break the fourth wall. and it really messes with my desire for escapism, and i think the issue and conundrum is that there is no artistic product that is from one source. and so, then, how do

you punish these crimes or how do you disengage with that association without punishing other artists who are associated with the work. what do you think? you know, i have never looked to artist for moral codes of conduct. i just don't think of, say, poets are painters as being, you know, the sort of moral vanguards of society, and i don't think that...| think the places they are coming from is typically on the margin and frequently quite dark, and that's the reason why they make art. but i wonder how far back we can go, because you'll all know that once this debate starts in the present day, people will then start to re—examine historically — how far back do we go, do you think? ithink... we can go as far back as you like and there will still be

an infinite number of things you don't know about the artist lives, they will be those you know. we know that wagner was anti—semitic, we know roald dahl is also anti—semitic, but there are any number of people we don't know about, so that may stretch back as far as you like in history. i think it sometimes framed as "either or", do we acknowledge how monstrous those views were or do we ignore that because the art was so beautiful? and i think it's possible to do both, to acknowledge, "wow, they had some really terrible views", and therefore that that shouldn't happen and to keep working on making sure those views don't happen today whilst preserving some beautiful books that meant the world to children all over the world. tashani, you mentioned an interesting point earlier

earlier talking about — i think you mentioned the word role models — you said you did not look to artist for them to be role models. but is it fair to say that some people do? i think it's very, very dangerous to go down that road because i think we will be left with no art if we start to judge people morally and say, "ok, you are not a good mother, "you are too busy writing your books", or, you know, ranging from sexual harassment, which we are focusing on today, back to any number of things, i think that's the point of artist, it reminds us of the awfulness, but also the incredible beauty and so i would be very hesitant to say that we remove and we get rid of something that's been made by someone who is not perfect human being. the art they create should never be used as an excuse in any way, but in terms of them being a role model, ithink, especially because i'm coming from the comedy world, and there are plenty of examples especially at the moment of comedians who have been accused

of sexual crimes and the comedy world has historically and still is rife with #metoo stories, but comedians especially, who would ever think a comedian would be a role model? like, that is...if you're looking at comedians for role models that you're doing something wrong already. i think what's really interesting and some of the stuff written about this is the idea of a cancel culture, the idea that you did this, or alleged to have done it, one person says you had do it therefore you are cancelled. i don't want to see your films any more, you're not going to be involved in any more films... do you think there is a danger of there being a cancel culture, and do you think it's necessarily a bad thing? so i think that there is something to be said about being able to financially disempower either an institution or an individual for their crimes. if they're predatory or have predatory practises, and it's been proven successful.

where my concern is, is that a band—aid? when they put out a press release saying we are very sorry or then implements diverse hiring practise and different things like that, "we'll have more women with a seat at the table." is it a band—aid or is it actually addressing some of the issues at the institutional level? is it possible, within that, for people to redeem themselves? i mean, harvey weinstein was talking in the video we saw about everyone gets a second chance. do you believe in that? you know, i certainly believe in forgiveness, right, i do believe forgiveness, but i think a lot of what we see happening, it's up to those who have been personally affected as well. it's their relationship with the allegations, with what happens, and whatever it is they decide to do and however long it takes for them to grieve and process what's happening, both individually and collectively. i think, as a woman, i try in every way to support.

tashani, i'm pretty sure from what you have already said you're not a fan of this — you would not be a an idea ofjust cancelling an artist. but what about the idea of second chances and redemption and all the rest of it? the truth is that i don't know what to do with some of the people that the stories come out of, i am conflicted, but what i want to do is say, who has been excluded from this because of... you know, it's not so much to do with the individual, it's to do with institutions, it's to do with the structures that support, that make these people. how did harvey weinstein get into that position, do you know? and if we are talking about #metoo as an idea that feminism can change structures and bring in new structures, then this is a moment when we can start having a different conversation and to say, "what does it mean that we have not heard from this entire section of this population", so i am more, again, about widening the vision rather than narrowing it. i'm neverfor throwing

anyone off the mountain. rachel, this idea then of this polarised punishment culture — "you are either in or out, you're cancelled or recommissioned", basically. do you buy it? i agree when you say it has to be effective and i think it is. if it's got a really specific goal, you know, in order to say to the weinstein company, "we won't have this now." that very patriarchal structure has to be broken somehow. but, for example, i'm thinking like aziz ansari, who was accused of behaving badly. aziz ansari, us comedian, it centred around a sexual encounter that he had and his understanding was that it had been a consensual encounter, but the woman involved did not feel that way at all. and he was in parks and rec, you know, which was a female—led, wonderful amy poehler show. i think of that as an amy poehler show. should we stop watching

that because he's in it? who loses out if we just cancel it? so, no, i think sometimes it works but i think you want to be really, really careful in what you cancel. and the debate around what we can now listen to and watch, all the rest of it, is it the same? are we asking the same questions in india? i think india's been very interesting because the #metoo movement hit us a year later. we haven't had the big fall, you know, the big bollywood. i mean, there have been a few cases. i think people are asking this question of, what do we expect from art, from artists, how do we want to be as a society? i think these are valid questions. my concern is that if we get into this very... you know, first of all, social media, which we haven't talked about, is a huge role in the way the debate is happening. it's very difficult to have a nuanced discussion about it because it's either you're for or you're against it, and that leads to a greater polarisation in society... very quickly as well.

and it's not healthy, i don't think, because i think a lot of this is an individual case—by—case thing. these are peoples lives, again, you know, so it's a very complicated thing, but i feel it's at least there's the conversation that's happening. and i feel that that's going to be the way we go forward. how do you feel about this idea about morality clauses? the idea that publishers can now write into contracts that you have to behave a certain way and if not we can cancel your contract and get back an advance. i think if it can be managed at the legal level, if the conversation is inclusive from the backh end, because i think if there are women, if there are people of colour who are making decisions as well, and it follows some sort of legal guidelines, that's how you deconstruct that institution. rachel, what do you think about this idea of morality clauses? i think it's a weird idea. i think obviously they

might do some good, but i think the they've obviouslyjust come mainly from insurance reasons and fear, rather than from these wonderful publishers saying, "i can't bear to publish the work of someone who's done something wrong!" you know, it's not coming from that, so, yes, i hope it's a disincentive for people to break the law. if it could be written, like you say, by people who don't normally get to make these rules, i think that's absolutely crucial, that it's notjust again white male publishers sitting there going, "how am i not going to get sued?" and also the practical responses — i think most people are self—interested, most don't want to lose their money, so if you tell them that's a possibility they lose money, even though it obviously isn't noble, it isn't with noble intentions, to say, "ok, i'm not going to be predatory because i don't want to be poor", but if it does hinder in any way those actions, then it's difficult for me to then look at it as not being progressive in some way.

rachel, we should discuss comedy a little bit more, because when you're talking about a comedian, pretty much always, they've written or contributed most material themselves, so is it different when you're asking someone to not consume that type of art because they're so identified with that art, it is them they're putting out on stage. it's hard not to mention louis ck — he springs to mind as an artist who was so successful, and so, so funny. allegations were made about sexual misconduct, which he admitted. i don't think there has been any criminal punishment but he admitted it was true. what now comes to light about how he's been behaving is very, very intimately and almost literally connected to his material. he's describing his own attitude to sex, he's describing his attitudes to women, he's describing how he behaves, all of that is laid out like a manifesto in his comedy,

but we sort of didn't spot it. so, yes, i do think it's a bit different because in that situation it is much harder to make that disconnection between art and artist. can anything good come out of this situation that we find ourselves in post—#metoo, and in the middle of waiting for the resolution of all these cases? have you seen any positives at all? i would say yes, i think there's a tremendous sense of solidarity among women, regardless of when theyjoin the movement, based on privilege, history, we're all here now and i think that's very inspiring. certainly in the comedy world, some wonderful things have happened, all female whatsapp groups and things like that in terms of feeding information from one woman to another about what gigs are sexist and which aren't, with nuances in between that, but the solidarity that has come from that, in my world, has been incredibly dramatic.

personally, have any of the three of you noticed any changes in the way that you are perceived professionally or the opportunities you have been presented with? mine has been more the other way round, i think. as someone who has also worked as a journalist and interviewed lots of writers, i realise that the majority of them were men and that's because editors ok that and so as a personal project i started to interview more women because i really think there are lots of amazing women writers who just don't get that due, so i think it's been about recalibrating my own personal prejudices, or the sort of blinders we have — we'rejust going along, this is what we're fed, and so to really say, "no, actually, go and find out more, "go and educate yourself, go and find shakespeare's sister. what a fantastic note to end on, thank you so much. one thing i do want to say to everyone, for more stories on women around the world, you can head to bbc.com/100women.

thank you so much to our guests. to wayetu moore, to tishani doshi and to rachel parris, and thank you all for coming. applause hello. the summer solstice is less than a fortnight away, but the week ahead will feel more like autumn. more on that in a moment. for now, some late sunshine for some but for others heavy and frequent showers, with thunder and hailstones, continuing to work west to east this evening and tonight. 0nly slowly fading but as the night wears on things become mainly dry, still some showers across south—west england and then some persistent rain into south—east england and east anglia.

won't be a cold night across the southern half of the uk. temperatures not much lower than nine or ten but we could see two or three across rural scotland. the main focus of the weather in the week ahead is the slow—moving front already arriving in south—east england and east anglia overnight and through tomorrow it slowly works its way north and west into the midlands, parts of east wales. south—west england will see some heavy thundery showers. much of northern ireland, scotland and northern england, a scattering of showers, but here the best of the dry weather with some spells of sunshine. we start to pick up a brisker north—easterly wind. the persistent rain will make it feel quite cool, just 13 or 1a celsius. even with the sunshine, just 15 or 16 celsius. into tuesday, this frontal system still with us going really nowhere fast. by this stage, the main focus of the rain is across the eastern side of england, east yorkshire up toward tyneside, and across a large swathe of northern england, wrapping around into wales and south—west england. for much of scotland and northern ireland,

again mainly dry with one or two showers. some sharp showers down here. notice the strength of the winds — a really cool, autumnalfeel. across a large swathe of northern england there some could see a months worth of rain in just a few days from this slow—moving frontal system. by wednesday it starts to push into scotland and northern ireland, but still some heavy and persistent rain across parts of northern england and wales for a time. further south, some spells of sunshine but once again and some heavy, thundery showers. a really unsettled week ahead. certainly quite a cool feel on wednesday, just 13 or 1a celsius. maybe up to 18 or 19 with some sunshine across east anglia and south—east england, but the theme to ta ke south—east england, but the theme to take away from this forecast in the week ahead, it will be rain at times 00:28:49,746 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 heavy, windy and also rather cool.