hello, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. —— joanna gosling. three—quarters of tall buildings with unsafe cladding unsafe still haven't had it removed or modified — two years after the grenfell tower fire in london killed 72 people. and survivors say some residents still haven't got a permant place to live, where they feel safe. it's like a sad dream. it hasn't felt real. we've had to come together and start to become solutions to a problem that should never have happened. the mother of an autistic man says she's worried he'll be made homeless today because the family can no longer afford to pay for a hotel for him, and two different councils have been unable to find anywhere suitable for him to live. twice he's ended up travelling

around the railways for days on end, refusing to eat and drink. it's thought one of the remaining candidates to become conservative leader — matt hancock — is considering pulling out of the race. it comes amid speculation that some of the others may form an alliance in an attempt to prevent the frontrunner boris johnson from winning and becoming the new prime minister. a ban on harmful or offensive gender stereotypes is being introduced by the advertising standards authority from today. does this advert encourage boys to become accountants and girls to be ballerinas? do get in touch. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag

victoria live. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. let's get the news with annita mcveigh. exactly two years after the grenfell tower fire, in which 72 people lost their lives, more than 200 high—rise buildings in england with cladding categorised as unsafe are yet to have it removed or modified. the latest government figures suggest work hasn't yet started on more than half of the tall buildings, many of them privately owned. events will take place this morning to mark the second anniversary of the disaster. it's understood that conservative leadership candidate matt hancock is considering withdrawing from the race. the health secretary picked up 20 votes in the first ballot of tory mps held yesterday. that left him in sixth place in the race, well behind borisjohnson on 114. the top two remaining after further ballots will be voted on by party members. the former labour and change uk mp chuka umunna has joined the liberal democrats.

the streatham mp has told the bbc he'd been "wrong" to think "millions of politically homeless people" wanted a new party. he was one of six change uk mps to quit last week, following the party's poor performance in the european elections. the number of abortions carried out in england and wales is at its highest level, with older women and mothers behind the rise. data published by the department of health and social care shows there were more than 200,000 abortions in 2018, up 4% on the previous year. the rise is being blamed on poor access to services and a cap on benefits. the comedianjo brand has reportedly apologised for a joke about throwing acid. she said, on a bbc radio 4 show, that people who throw milkshakes at what she described as "unpleasant characters" were pathetic — as they could use battery acid instead. yesterday, the metropolitan police said it was assessing the comment following an allegation

of incitement to violence. a ban on adverts featuring harmful or offensive gender stereotypes has come in to force. 0ven pride — so easy a man can do it. the ban covers scenarios such as a man with his feet up while a woman cleans, or a woman failing to park a car. the uk's advertising watchdog introduced the ban because it found some portrayals could play a part in "limiting people's potential". passengers rescued from a flood—hit train in northamptonshire became stuck near the scene on a second train that came to rescue them. the london to nottingham service was stopped near corby because of a landslip. passengers were then transferred on to a second train which stopped alongside, but could not leave the area because of flooding. about 500 people spent up to eight hours on the trains before they were rescued. east midlands trains has apologised.

changing the date of next year's early may bank holiday will cost one calendar maker about £200,000. allan & bertram says, as a result of the holiday shift from monday 4th may to friday 8th to mark ve day, the may pages in about 400,000 calendars will have to be re—printed. the government says it has considered the practical implications of the switch. 0n14thjune 2017 a small kitchen fire in grenfell tower turned into the deadliest domestic blaze since the second world war, killing 72 people. the tragedy shattered the community and led to a public inquiry about the fire, which spread to the top floor within 25 minutes. yet, two years on, more than 200 high—rise buildings in england with similar cladding to grenfell have yet to have work started to replace it.

meanwhile, according to the kensington and chelsea council, 184 households have moved into a home of their own, but 15 are still waiting to move into permanent accommodation. we'll hear from some of those who were there on the night in a moment, but first let's remind ourselves of the tragic events of that night. and a warning, some of the content may be distressing. within 15 minutes, the whole building caught fire. i thought i lost him. i don't think he can make it. i can see smoke and we are seeing the fire going up the building. over a single hour, on 1athjune 2017, a small kitchen fire turned into the worst disaster of its type in living memory. at 12:50 in the morning, miriam adam was sleeping on the fourth floor of grenfell tower. she was woken by her next—door neighbour.

then came the first of more than 100 calls to the london fire brigade. this is the first from behailu kebede, who lived in flat 16 where the fire started. the first trucks were dispatched from north kensington, hammersmith and paddington. they were on the site in five minutes. by 1:30 in the morning, the fire was starting to spread quickly. this photo taken from the block opposite shows flames already reaching the top of the building. just a0 minutes later, and the fire had spread round to the north side. at this stage, residents were still being told to stay inside their flats. that advice is standard in tower block fires which can normally be

contained and put out quickly. josephjohn escaped from one of the lower floors with his family. there is a dedicated line for this incident, 0k? 2:45 in the morning, and the first public confirmation that something was very wrong. around the same time, that stay—put policy was officially rescinded. residents were told to leave their flats and get out if they could. sid—ali and his wife rashida were higher up, on the 15th floor. he just escaped with his life around 2:15 that morning.

by aam, as the sun started to rise over west london, the impact of the fire was becoming very clear. the mayor of london made his first comments, tweeting about a major incident at the tower. in horrific conditions, fire crews make progress. at 9:16 in the morning, it was confirmed they had reached the top of the building — the 21st floor. justice is the biggest thing for everybody that lived in grenfell tower. it is very, very emotional. very. you know, thinking that, you know, you've got friends there, and then all of a sudden, they're not there. it's like that's not happening, it's like nobody can believe that, what happened. we've been talking to shahin sadafi and bobby ross, who both lived in grenfell tower, labour mp for kensington emma dent

coad and lotifa begum from muslim aid, who was one of the first repsonders on the scene. more devastating than any other day because it reminds us and it takes us back to two years ago exactly on that morning, that horrific morning, when our life changed forever and some beautiful souls were taken from us. you were actually away on the night of the fire. your mother was in the tower. she survived but you have said you have struggled with feelings of guilt ever since. why? on that night i wasn't home. that, for me, was the most devastating part of everything, because i had tojump in the car, drive back at 1am from an hour and a half away. one minute i am at a beautiful hotel getting ready for my next day of training at my newjob

and the next minute i am if my mum is ok and if my community are fine and if everyone is ok, what's going on. and when i got back to the tower, since then i just felt like i was hopeless. i couldn't do anything. i couldn't help anyone. that's what started everything since then. what has life been like since then? it's been like a sad dream. it hasn't felt real. we've had to come together and start to become solutions to a problem that should have never happened. we had to become solutions to a tragedy that should have never ta ken place, and since then we've just come together and done everything we can in our power to help the community, even help people that were left isolated. bobby, you lost your dad steve in the fire and obviously that must have been awful and will have been awful since, and our condolences go

to you, and you lost your home. how have you been coping in the two years since? i haven't, really. every time i have tried to take two steps forward i have taken ten back. i'm constantly in a spiral of depression. any bits of hope when it comes to a property that i have been in has been swept from underneath my feet and taken away from me, so now i am back where it all began. it has been a crazy roller—coaster. it hasn't stopped. it hasjust been a nightmare. every day is it on your mind? can you ever have normal time where you do not think about it? no, not at all. i don't know whether i am coming or going. there are times when i have been told my hotel is only for ten days. so when it is coming up to the eighth or ninth day i am thinking where am i going next? what is happening to me next? the council said they have got

a property for you now and it is ready for you to move in to. do you trust that that is going to happen? no. i have lost all faith. they said that about this property. i have had leaks, mice, floods coming through my back garden, everyone's bath water and kitchen water coming straight through into my patio and flooded the whole patio. no, i have no faith. 0bviously one of the fears, completely understandably, of anybody that went through what you went through, is the prospect of a fire risk in any property that you are in. yeah. when the flooding was first happening, it was drips at first, so they said they would come over, so they fixed it the first time and it happened again. they said my neighbour was the one

that was flooding so i went up and i filmed it to make sure that it wasn't. and when i got upstairs there was nothing there. there was no water on his floor at all. so i have gone back downstairs into my property and i have seen it constantly. the next day i had a guy come over and paint over where it was wet and damp and they said that the problem has been fixed from upstairs. 0n the same day he painted i have a third video where it isjust gushing right through so i automatically googled water coming through and the first thing that popped through was a fire hazard so from there i freaked out. i basically got what i could and got out the house and i went to go to my partner and i expressed everything to my partner as well. grenfell was a fire hazard. my dad was saying it for years. he was protesting against it for years. he was telling a lot of people

in the building as well about it. he was trying to fight the cause to have it renovated in a sense. from that they have put me into a property which is another fire hazard, so i have no faith whatsoever. 0bviously everybody affected needs practical support but also a lot more than that. after what you have been through, emotional support. are you getting that? i haven't had no support. no support whatsoever. therapeutic support? no, i haven't had no bereavement counselling, i have had no therapy. for the past month and that i have had nhs grenfell well—being team who have helped me but apart from that i have not had anyone. have you been offered it? and said no? the council say that they have been working closely with the nhs, who they say is crucial for people like you, they say they have never stopped caring and never stopped working and it will continue for every family until they are settled in a new home and starting to rebuild their lives.

with a statement like that if that was the case i wouldn't be in the situation i am in. i can only speak for myself but i know there are many other people who are going through what i am going through or even worse. as we are hearing, trust issues, practical issues. how would you describe the community two years on? i was there on the ground in the immediate aftermath of the fire and i have never in my time as a humanitarian aid worker seen a disaster like the one we have seen at grenfell. the community, as we are hearing from these guys, are the ones who have stood together in solidarity. they are the ones who have had to rely on each other when the authorities have let them down and they have showed a level of resilience and dignity that i think is unparalleled and we need to continue to support them

and we need to ensure that they get the justice that they deserve. emma, a public inquiry has been launched. in some senses a lot has changed. in others we hear that people feel not enough has changed. i would you assess how things stand? it isa i would you assess how things stand? it is a daily disaster for many people like bobby and others who are not getting the help they need. they are being offered homes which are completely unsuitable. i was speaking to somebody yesterday he was speaking to somebody yesterday he wa s offe re d speaking to somebody yesterday he was offered a bed set and they said this is the only offer you are going to get and if you do not take it we do not have a responsibility to look after good, you will be intentionally homeless, and this person was not allowed to go and look at the property before they signed upa look at the property before they signed up a permanent tenancy. that is the attitude, they are trying to force people into homes that are not working for them while they are spending a fortune on pr to make

them look good. that goes for the council and the government. we are not doing what they have been paid to do. we have pd services through oui’ to do. we have pd services through our taxes for years that the local community and all the other support services are doing the work of the council and the government, for nothing most of them. going through the figures, the council says it has spent more than £200 million to secure more than 300 homes so people have the maximum choice available and they say they have more than 1000 housing offers in the process and talking about the majority of households having moved into a home of their own. 1a households in temporary accommodation, seven have accepted permanent homes. two families and serviced apartments have accepted permanent homes. 0ne family ina have accepted permanent homes. 0ne family in a hotel has accepted a permanent home. they see those figures are accurate. they are good

at fudging the figures. we had figures from a housing officer working on the ground. people from the walkways and other areas cannot bear to let there because they have such severe mental health problems and they are not counting them. 118 households are not counted in the figures. 47 of them are in temporary accommodation and as far as i understand they have been told they have to pay from the ist ofjuly the full cost of the accommodation or they will be evicted. that is what will happen. many of them are unable to work. they would love to go back to work. they would love to go back to work. they would love to go back to work but they are not in a good state. they are being punished for the council and the government errors. we have worked tirelessly over the past two years to try to support our community. i there has been so little progress. it is

outrageous. you were one of the founders of grenfell united. has everybody come together or are there people... like any building where there are a lot of people living, not everybody is going to necessarily come together, but what is the solidarity now between the people there and who have been affected ? people there and who have been affected? i never imagined that two yea rs affected? i never imagined that two years on i was going to be sitting here on the anniversary of what should be a day of remembrance talking about housing and talking about mental health and support for so about mental health and support for so many individuals like myself, like bobby, who still feel like there is no opportunity to grieve, to move on with their life, to have that settlement, but necessity of having a secure safe place to call home. thank you. we wish you all the very best.

a government spokesperson said... "there is nothing more important than making sure people are safe in their homes. this is why the government is inviting views on a new building safety regime, as it seeks to bring forward new legislation to keep residents safe." there are rumours this morning that one of the people hoping to become our new prime minister might be about to pull out of the race after he only secured 20 votes in the first round. the health secretary, matt hancock, is said to be deciding whether to continue. borisjohnson is the clear frontrunner in the tory leadership contest after 114 tory mps backed him — so will the other candidates form some kind of alliance in order to try to beat him to the top job? in a moment we'll hear from andrew bridgen mp — who is one of those backing boris johnson. but first let's listen to this from this morning's today programme on radio 4 — where mohammed amin, the chairman of the conservative muslim forum, said he'll quit the conservatives if borisjohnson becomes leader. i've been a conservative party member for over 36 years and we

don't expect our politicians, our prime ministers, to be saints, but we do require a basic level of morality and integrity, and of all of the candidates in the party leadership election, boris johnson is the only one that i believe fails that test, and i'm not prepared to be a member of a party that chooses him as its leader. there are many horrible people who have been popular. popularity is not the test. the test is, is this person sufficiently moral to be prime minister, and i believe he fails that test. but mps would disagree with you. they think he's certainly the right man to sort out brexit for this country. a lot of germans thought that hitler was the right man for them. that's a very shocking comparison to make. yes, i'm not saying borisjohnson wants to send people to the gas chamber. clearly, he doesn't. he's a buffoon. but he, as far as i'm concerned, has insufficient concern about the nature of truth for me to ever be a member

of a party that he leads. we asked andrew bridgen what he thought about those comments — here's what he said. lam deeply i am deeply disappointed that anyone would want to leave the conservative party. there is nothing more divisive than a conservative leadership election. it turns generally into a circular firing squad. probably they are so divisive it does not matter who wins the competition, some elements of the party will feel disenfranchised and wish to leave. we are very broadchurch and you have a full of candidates available for mp5 and later the membership to vote for. you are seeing the situation itself is the divisive part, the leadership election. he is talking very specifically about the person you are supporting and seeing it is hen

thatis are supporting and seeing it is hen that is divisive, it is the comments he has made, he would not want to be in the party if he were the leader. lam sure in the party if he were the leader. i am sure there are other parties who would not —— other people who would not want to be in the party if other people became the leader. i am not sure who can unite the whole of the current conservative party. brexit is a very divisive issue. i do not think we can bring the party together until brexit is dealt with and we have left. boris is the person to deliver brexit. he believes in brexit and he has a prove n believes in brexit and he has a proven winner. we could face a general election in the next few months. we have a small working majority with the help of the dup. boris is a big—name and extremely

popular. you saw how many votes he got from conservative mps. sorry to interrupt. you think he has the right person for the job and you are seeing there will be other candidates wherever they became leader of the party other people will not like them but borisjohnson after the first round of voting is so after the first round of voting is so far out after the first round of voting is so farout in after the first round of voting is so far out in the late summer seeing it is going... it kind of puts in a difficult position because it makes those who do not want him to be leader look at what is going on and think perhaps we should band together and form some sort of a stop boris coalition. what do you think about that? since boris got 114 votes in the first round, 105 would mean you could not finish worse than second, so you couldn't not be in the run—off. if you look at the candidates who unfortunately fell out of the competition, they are votes predominantly will go to

borisjohnson because are votes predominantly will go to boris johnson because they are generally eurosceptics. most of the people who are backing boris are the eurosceptic wing of the party and brexit is the issue we have to deal with. if we do not refund the 315t of october there will be no future for the conservative party no matter who the leader is. let's cross to our westminster newsroom now, where the conservative mp and sajid javid supporter stephen crabb joins us. talks are under way to form some sort of an alliance against boris johnson? i do not think there are talks happening for an anti—boris alliance, ganging up on one particular individual, but there have been discussions. three of the leadership candidates dropped out last night and i will have been intense conversations over night

with those candidates and some of the candidate still in the race to see whether they can win their support and realign the contest. those conversations between michael gove's team, sajid javid and matt hancock's team. i am not privy to those conversations and if i was i would not be talking in great detail about them but you can expect there to have been conversations going on like that, yes. if those three candidates were to come together, would it be natural that it would be coalescing under michael gove because of the three he has the most support so far? they all have strengths and weaknesses. the reason iam strengths and weaknesses. the reason i am backing sajid javid is because i believe in the man's vision for the country and i want to see a clear contest. boris is going to be in the final two and will be there on the ballot paper that goes to neighbours but i want the membership to have a clear choice and i have no

particular beef with boris. i think the party can do better. making someone the party can do better. making someone like sajid javid, given his background, given what he has achieved in his life in government, making someone like that ever party leader and prime minister gets the conservative party a fighting chance of survival, because we are in last chance saloon and we need to make the right choice. would you support a coming together of those the campaigns if it were to be agreed as michael gove still carrying the torch forward to be leader?m michael gove still carrying the torch forward to be leader? it is too early to be talking about those kind of alliances. we have a hustings debate on sunday to go through. this contest is going to ta ke through. this contest is going to take a few more twists and turns. we are still in the early stage of it s0 are still in the early stage of it soiam are still in the early stage of it so i am backing sajid javid. he has the vision for the country that i believe in. are you concerned are what is your reaction to those comments talking about the prospect

of borisjohnson comments talking about the prospect of boris johnson becoming comments talking about the prospect of borisjohnson becoming leader and seeing if that were the case he would leave the party?” seeing if that were the case he would leave the party? i am disappointed to hear that. i do not believe boris has any racism in him whatsoever. he was a fantastic and effective mayor of london a number of years ago. the conservative party asa of years ago. the conservative party as a whole if you were to ask them if we have a problem speaking respectfully to people of ethnic minorities then i think we did. but as one of the recent sofia people from ethnic minorities have been backing the conservative party at recent elections. we went backwards in 2017. that is why i want to see a man like sajid javid become leader of our party. he is authentic and from one of these communities, from a hard—working community, he has pulled himself up with the support of his family and community, and someone of his family and community, and someone like that can help the party

speak to the country in a way that the conservative party has been failing to do in recent years. he reaches parts of the electorate few other conservative politicians can do. they guess to say that about borisjohnson. they used to say that they used to about borisjohnson. they used to about borisjohnson. they certainly did, as mayor of london he was able to embody the spirit of the olympics at the time very well and i'm not saying he wouldn't do that as prime minister but as i say i think the prime —— conservative party can do better and sajid javid would be a good choice for building a new future for the conservative party. thank you. the mother of an autistic man says she fears he will be left homeless when he today has to leave a hotel his family has been paying for since april. daizy says that in february she reached a crisis point with her son jonathan, where his increasingly controlling behaviour and destructive outbursts were making her life impossible. lewes and brighton councils both offered accommodation, but because ofjonathan‘s conditions he was unable to take up the offer. for the last two months,

his family has been paying for him to live in a hotel in the hope that they would be able to find a more permanent solution before their money ran out. daizy wrote to this programme to tell us their story. let's talk to daizy. thank you for coming in. we are calling your son jonathan, thank you for coming in. we are calling your sonjonathan, that's not his real name, but that's to protect his privacy. he wrote to us because you were at your wits end. tell us why and what is happening with jonathan. he's been homeless since about the 12th of march. my son has autism pda, anxiety, and sensory difficulties. so, explain how that manifests for people that don't know what pda is and haven't encountered that and don't know what the symptoms are. pdas have demand avoidance, i need to be in control of their environment, sometimes other people but they avoid demands and expectations and have some proposed rules themselves and the way autism affects my son is his

rigidity and his thinking, again, his self—imposed rules and his flexibility and he can't help that he won't be able to do something. and that was basically put on you when you were living together which is why it ended up in a situation where you could no longer live together. just explain what was happening. itjust increased and got toa happening. itjust increased and got to a point, i mean, it's been a downward spiral since he was failed by secondary school, and failed by so by secondary school, and failed by so many people. i was living like a prisoner, my life was very restricted, i couldn't have anybody over to the house, i couldn't use my phone at all, anything i did affected his routine, i couldn't come out of my room until 12 o'clock i had to leave the house at one o'clock in the afternoon and couldn't come back until one o'clock at night, it would be pouring with rain outside and i'd be five minutes early but if i couldn't get back in the house and did any of this he would damage the house and destroy it and we have tried to get help over the years and never been able to. so what you did was you moved

out thinking you could sort something out and thinking he could be there but that didn't work because he didn't like that disruption and he's ended up going and just sitting on trains, hasn't he, for days on end. explain what he's done that. there were two occasions when he just travelled on the trends for four days on the train, he won't eat or drink on the trains, he knows the train so he feels comfortable but he's very vulnerable and it has affected his health and mental health. we approached both councils but he seems to fall through the gaps with everything. because his needs are so specific. they have come up with two properties but they are not right for him. just explain why that is. at the moment he is on his own in a hotel and that seems to be working 0k. what's wrong with what has been offered so far? the first property, obviously my son has 0cd as well as the autism, and the first property was very dirty and filthy. i know

there is a lack of housing but they still have a duty to him. it was dusty and it was in the middle of other flats as well. the second property, it was in a hostel with otherfamilies property, it was in a hostel with other families and they had a cu rfew. other families and they had a curfew. because the walls were so thin my son couldn't manage, he stayed there one hour a day but then he would go travelling on the trains at night, he thought he would stay up at night, he thought he would stay up until two o'clock in the morning but he had to be back by 11. the walls were very thin. lewes said what is the difference between a premier in and a hotel? how can he manage the hotel and their accommodation? it is very different because it is own private place, the walls are thick and he will not have families there constantly, it is predictable. as you stand you have run out of money for the hotel, haven't you? yes. so you are really worried that as of today he's going to be homeless. what is the latest on that? yes, well, we don't know. he has been told to approach lewes

council today, fill in forms, declare he is homeless, i've told him that he needs to know ahead of time, his anxiety will be so high and he won't be able to process any information today, and they say they will find suitable accommodation. but they don't seem to recognise his needs at all. if it was a physical disability with a wheelchair they wouldn't be offering a flat on the third floor and they would accept that. but with my son they don't seem that. but with my son they don't seem to understand. so we said that before when he was highly stressed about the situation he ended up just going and spending time on trains. yes. is that what you fear might happen again? yes, he has said he will do, he has thrown away all of his belongings, every single thing yesterday, because when it happened before he couldn't carry them, because he is 0cd, he doesn't feel safe leaving them with anybody, so all he has is the clothes he is wearing, he will travel on the trains and after four days, he stopped eating yesterday, so today is the second day because that would disrupt his routine, he will colla pse disrupt his routine, he will collapse after four days and i'm

really worried he's going to be one of the many children that you hear about stories on your programme, you've mentioned children who have pdas who end up being institutionalised or being sectioned, and it's the wrong environment and it makes it worse for them. and it creates mental health issues, autism isn't a mental health issues, autism isn't a mental health issues, autism isn't a mental health issue but it does create it when the parents are not being believed. when you say parents are not being believed, because parents don't like people who don't have experience of what you are describing find it hard to understand. have you found it difficult to convey that to the people you need to? it has been a battle his whole life, the schools don't believe, they don't recognise autism, people think they can be flexible and just adapt but society really needs to adapt more. it is a co nsta nt really needs to adapt more. it is a constant battle. and yes, the council say, even the other day, lewes council said if he continues to refuse the properties then he is

going to be homeless, he is not refusing, he doesn't have the ability to be flexible. another person may accept it and with the thought it will lead to something else but my son cannot accept it, the noise is the issue, it is like being ina the noise is the issue, it is like being in a room with an alarm going off co nsta ntly being in a room with an alarm going off constantly so being on the trains makes sense to him but people don't really get it. it is not how he appears, it is how he feels on the inside, he can live on his own but his influx ability makes other things difficult and it doesn't match so it's hard for people to understand and accept. -- in flexibility. let's hope something comes of today come and do stay in touch. i'm glad you got in touch, and we wish you and him all the best. thank you so much. thank you. a spokesman from lewes district council told us, "we have been supporting mr ward—willis in his search for suitable accommodation

since he came to us in march, and will continue to do all we can to help." a brighton & hove city council spokesperson said: "jonathan was offered emergency accommodation at one of our hostels. despite our best efforts, we have been unable to find accommodation that is acceptable tojonathan and his family. we're keen to do all we can to help." we have just been getting comments from you while you have been listening to daizy speaking about her son who we are calling jonathan, which is not his real name, to protect his privacy, and ijust want to read you one of the comments that has come through from you at home watching. i'm just getting my system up. here it is. somebody has got in touch to say it is the same with my mum, she has severe mental health and physical disability, for an entire ten months the council that her homeless sleeping rough and also on trains, she was hospitalised and

still no support from either the council or the mental health team she is under. we borrowed and paid thousands for hotel accommodation and she eventually got temporary accommodation, only after she attempted suicide. i'm really sorry, that's probably not helpful.m attempted suicide. i'm really sorry, that's probably not helpful. it is hundreds of people, and as i said, my son was felled by secondary school, it is a path they follow and it is happening to so many children and adults. many in the same situation, we wish you all the best. thank you. a ban on gender stereotypes in adverts comes into force today. the new rule in the advertising codes, which will apply to broadcast and non—broadcast media — including online and social media — states that ads must not include gender stereotypes that are likely to cause harm or serious or widespread offence. the advertising standards authority says, for example, an advert that depicts a man with his feet up and family members creating a mess around the house while a woman is solely responsible for clearing it up would be problematic. here's an example of an ad that might face difficulty under the new rules. perfect. no.

sorry, could we just have a look at that one? yeah. push it your way! 0w! that way. back a bit. quick, quick, in the car. wake up! it's christmas! what do you think of that? let us know. now we can speak to cj brough who is a casting director and recently did a swimwear campaign for tesco, anna whitehouse who is also known as mother pukka who blogs about her family, jada sezar who is a plus—size model, and richard hillgrove,

a former advertising chief who says this is a slippery slope to censorship. thank you forjoining us. richard, slippery slope to censure what are your concerns? it is not a slippery slope to censorship, it is censorship, and anything that restricts views in any way backfires on those who wish views to be restricted. everyone on the panel, in my opinion, is looking for inclusive, fair representation of women but by restricting all other views they are homogenising advertising in general, creating a situation where there is a revolt or a backlash, and that is the sort of orwellian society we are talking about, that is where fascism slips m, about, that is where fascism slips in, because there is a reaction the other way. anna, what do you think? they are guidelines, i think, diff are looking to make money and they wa nt are looking to make money and they want to have a diverse and inclusive campaign —— if brands are looking to make money. they are not holding a

gun to your head, it is simply, this is what the public and people want, why wouldn't you tap into that just from a very simple commercial perspective? i can't believe you referenced fascism, quite extreme. it isa referenced fascism, quite extreme. it is a slippery slope, we are seeing this across our society all the time. at this stage, it seems like guidelines. as all of the commentators say, it is guidelines now, but it will be a full ban soon. cj, what do you think, do brands really have this power?|j cj, what do you think, do brands really have this power? i see it completely differently, it is a massive opportunity. the point you said, richard, about female representation, but actually we are saying we want fair for everybody, men, women, genders, races. saying we want fair for everybody, men, women, genders, racesm saying we want fair for everybody, men, women, genders, races. it is not all about belittling men and saying you cannot do that on your own? if anything, the christmas ad you have shown is perhaps for men to say that is not a fair representation of what happens in my house, it is a celebration of the role that the mother plays, perhaps, but you could have men who would say that's not how it happens in our house. i often take on campaigns

that q house. i often take on campaigns that cj has put forward and i put my husband forward for those campaigns instead of me, same audience, they'd get the same back and it is no, it is no, we we want a mum changing “appy' is no, we we want a mum changing nappy, we want a month washing the dishes and this is 2019. he does the dishes, i dishes and this is 2019. he does the dishes, lam dishes and this is 2019. he does the dishes, i am the primary earner, i am the primary breadwinner. he does am the primary breadwinner. he does a lot of the childcare, so the representation there is incorrect, they are not being truthful, because my husband wipes baby bottoms. my point is, do we need a society that sta rts point is, do we need a society that starts policing viewpoints? we can all have this debate about male role, female role, but why do we need to dictate how that comes across in mainstream media? because it is commercial sense. the guidelines from the asa are saying, having listened to consumers, we are seeing that those adverts that present those stereotypes are not hitting the mark anymore and so therefore in order for the campaign to be successful you need to make it

more inclusive. but the market decides on what is successful. if something doesn't work it doesn't sell, the advertiser would stop producing the ad. if something is off the mark. these are guidelines to stop that happening. it is not guidelines, you call it guidelines, this is banning opinion. it is guidelines now, tomorrow it will be a ban. what about the ad where basically it is indicating that girls will grow basically it is indicating that girls willgrow up, basically it is indicating that girls will grow up, the aspiration for a little girl is to be a ballerina and the aspiration for a little boy to be as an accountant. we can see that ad right now. since the very first days, your baby starts to write their future... the very first days, your baby starts to write their future. .. that is putting obviously a perceived view on what the little girls and the little boys should be dreaming of when they are kids.|j the little boys should be dreaming of when they are kids. i know what you're saying, but it's always counted by public reaction to the advertisement. stereotypical advertisements that define women in advertisements that define women in

a certain way, maybe like body image, the does commercials, when they came out with different body images, where a reaction of the horrible stereotyping of all the other ads will stop accountants too, the stereotype. when we take a bite stereotypes, or the right to be able to present in a certain way, there is no reaction or revolt in the other way from the public. so advertisers keep moving with public sentiment and opinion anyway, so we don't need to police it. will it make them think about what they are putting in command then there may not be the need to push back against a certain predominant... you get a positive response, i've seen it with so positive response, i've seen it with so many campaigns that cj has done where she has a diverse and inclusive line—up, the positive response outweighs any backlash but i think i've ever seen. and it e nforces i think i've ever seen. and it enforces creativity for the next campaign, so ratherthan enforces creativity for the next campaign, so rather than a campaign being asa campaign, so rather than a campaign being as a reaction against something that hasn't necessarily worked, if we set the standard is being really creative, really inclusive campaigns, then the next challenge is for the next brand, how do we match that? why do you want to

set brands up to fail was that's what i'm finding uncomfortable will stop why would you want a brand to be in the firing line so other brands can learn and do better? it doesn't make sense. it has got to be opened on forces and restricting, you could call advertising a form of art, and as 0scar you could call advertising a form of art, and as oscar wilde said, life imitates art. when you start telling people, like telling an artist you can't represent something this way, and it's like telling the creative department of an advertising agency, we don't want you doing anything this way, this is wrong, that's when we start getting this creeping surveillance society that's coming in. we have not heard from jada sezar get. i think these advertisements historically were reflective of what was current at that time and the advertisements we see are often quite outdated and we need to, not police them, in a sense, but we need to keep up—to—date with what people want to see andl up—to—date with what people want to see and i as a content creator, i work with a lot of brands and push out content and get an immediate response of what works and what

doesn't. a lot of people want to see more diversity. even for men, we wa nt more diversity. even for men, we want to be able to see men cry because then we see it as acceptable in advertisements, mental health is such a big thing of suicide is the biggest killer for men under the age of 45. if our advertisements show that men need to man up and take on a masculine role, how do we know there are other forms? in boots there are other forms? in boots there is a sponge my friend showed me the other day called the shower tool and it's a sponge. we all use a sponge. it is a great sponge and it is very manly. my husband just uses a sponge. is very manly. my husband just uses a sponge. you have to see it in order to know that you can be it. some comments from people at home, elliott on twitter: i don't see anything wrong with the asda ad, i cooked an entirely christmas meal for 12 this year, i'm a bloke, i understand stereotyping but take it with a pinch of salt, guidelines are needed. jerry on facebook: what's wrong with boys being boys and girls being girls? if a wrong with boys being boys and girls being girls? ifa man was wrong with boys being boys and girls being girls? if a man was to be a ballerina can and they do. adverts that ran this down people's folks,

this is the same socialjustice rubbish that makes no difference to people, men and women can do anyjob they want and people aren't as stupid as people make out, it only pampers to the virtue signalling moaners. basically, the yorkie ad under the new guidelines. not for girls would be banned under the new guidelines. not guidelines, they would be banned under the new guidelines. and so it should be. that was a long time ago. but there isa that was a long time ago. but there is a sense of humour in the advertising, it is poking fun at itself, it is not taking itself so seriously. the opinion police that come down and say you can't say that, you can't say this, this is what certain comedians are worried about, getting arrested now for making certain views known. about, getting arrested now for making certain views knownlj about, getting arrested now for making certain views known. i think it reinforces certain stereotypes and these narratives we have been sold as women or men that are deeply ingrained that we need to unpick and re—stitched to what we believe now. it is too damaging to sell a chocolate bar, ithink

it is too damaging to sell a chocolate bar, i think that's why the guidelines are here. you call it art, i don't think it is, to selling art, i don't think it is, to selling a chocolate bar and if you reinforce a chocolate bar and if you reinforce a gender stereotype that is damaging to my two daughters. if you think about the... we are out of time. thank you, and i'm sure this conversation will keep going on social media as well. yesterday we brought you an interview with former professional footballer dean radford, who was one of six people who say they were abused by former southampton coach bob higgins. they say they've been denied justice because double jeopardy laws mean he can't be tried for what they say he did to them. bob higgins was jailed for 24 years earlier this week for sexually abusing 24 other boys. dean radford said current laws should be changed. all i would say to these people, politicians or whoever make these rules, you know, try and think of this as if this were one of your own family. don't treat it like it's a page in a book, ora rule or a law has to stay. you know, use your common sense.

look at this, look at the facts, look at the evidence now, look at what's happened and treat this like it would be one of your own family, whether it your son, your niece, your nephew. just use your common sense. the incoming victims' commissioner vera baird qc has said she wants to see a change in the law. we can talk to her now will what do you think should happen now? the government needs to review the position. when i was a member of parliament in 2003, double jeopardy was abolished for serious crimes. that's to say, in those days, if somebody had been tried and acquitted of an offence, they could not be retried. so there we re they could not be retried. so there were appalling cases where somebody had been acquitted, went to the pub and admitted that they had done it and admitted that they had done it and nobody could take any action against them at all. so that was stopped. and if there was new and

compelling evidence for serious cases, it's possible to try it somebody again. this is about the advent of dna, really, which wasn't there to help prosecutions in the past, but is available now. but it's that definition of serious offence, i think, that hasn'tjust been kept up—to—date. we know now that sexual abuse is capable of traumatising somebody for their entire life. national health england launched a strategy last year on the basic understanding that people may need lifelong support when they have been abused in the way that this man abused in the way that this man abused the young man that you had on yesterday. and so to say that when there has been an acquittal, is that obviously was in dean's case some yea rs obviously was in dean's case some years ago, it's not serious enough to justify trying again if there is new and compelling evidence. that flies in the face of the modern

understanding and victims' rights must remain at the heart of the criminal justice system. must remain at the heart of the criminaljustice system. this is out of date now. under the changes, if they were to come in, do something you want to see happening is the new victims' commissioner, would you expect that it would be retrospective so that those people could bring a new prosecution? of course, yes. the original legislation was retrospective so that old cases like the one that i've said, there was a very strong case from up here in the northeast where i am at the moment, which was a woman had been murdered, her body hidden, her boyfriend was put on trial before he was acquitted and went to the pub and admitted he had done it. if you pass a law two years down the line from that it has to be retrospective in order to catch people like that. so, yes, it would need to be retrospective. it is not a magic bullet but it is fair, i think. these guys have done a public service by giving evidence in trials

to support what other men they didn't even know say happened to them by saying that is exactly what happened to me, and they've done that on the public‘s behalf to make sure these individuals are convicted when they have no hope ofjustice for themselves. that really does need to change, i think. vera baird qc, thank you forjoining us. a university scholarship is being awarded in the name of of mohamed al—haj ali — the first person who was named as having died in the fire at grenfell. mohamed was 23 — and had fled to the uk from syria with his brother 0mar in 2014. he was studying engineering. the new scholarship — which is being launched by the charity requid — will be awarded to students in the uk who have arrived seeking asylum and are unable to access university due to financial hardship. we can speak now to younis ali, who's the first recipient of the scholarship. also here is anna jones, from requid, the charity funding the sponsorship. welcome both of you, thank you for coming in. why were you picked for

this scholarship and what does it mean to you, younis? this scholarship will change my whole life because i have ambition to study in the uk, be a normal person and work in the uk and start a new life. tell us about your life before you came here. i am from mosul, iraq, when isis came to my country they destroyed everything, so my life totally changed. my life was normal but after isis came everything is done and finished. and then you came here, and what has life been like since? it is good because when i arrived here, ijust wa nt to because when i arrived here, ijust want to be safe and to have a normal

life and do my goals. tell us more about the scholarship, anna, and how the idea came about. the charity focuses on access to employment and higher education for refugees and asylu m higher education for refugees and asylum seekers, and through our work we have realised that there is a demographic of people, asylum seekers don't have access to finance, although they are permitted to study, and also people who have arrived on family reunification outside of the rules. through one of our students we knew of mohammed and omarand our students we knew of mohammed and omar and experience of him knowing the family, the tragedy that g re nfell the family, the tragedy that grenfell and we want to focus on his resilience, not only in fleeing syria but coming here and rebuilding his life from scratch and we wanted to do that by inspiring people who are going through the same barriers he had faced and achieving their goals. you have said asylum seekers have no access to finance but can

study. that sounds like a very difficult situation. presumably there are many who can't study because they can't raise the funds. exactly, the majority of people who we support into undergraduate university have begun their studies or were about to begin their studies before war broke out or they were forced to flee. when they arrive here all of our clients are desperate to go back into education or into employment, and they have faced financial barriers in doing this, so asylum seekers have no access to mainstream credits, to welfare , access to mainstream credits, to welfare, and student finance. and what we are using this scholarship to highlight is that people are not asking for hand—outs or more scholarships necessarily, even though right now that would be helpful, what we are asking for is for people to be integrated into the mainstream finance, student finance is unknown, nobody is asking for a hand—out, they just want is unknown, nobody is asking for a hand—out, theyjust want the opportunity to access that loan. without this scholarship, would you have been able to continue studying? no, i can't,

have been able to continue studying? no, ican't, it have been able to continue studying? no, i can't, it is difficult to pay all of these fees to the university because i started my life from zero so because i started my life from zero so it's a difficult situation to integrate into the university. so it's a difficult situation to integrate into the universitym must feel like something equitably precious to you. describe how you feel about it. it is such a difficult situation to me. how did you pick younisfor the scholarship? we went to an event mohamed we went to a meeting and we looked at students who were having difficulty raising the funds and we spoke with the family and we have spoken internally and younis is going on to study engineering which is what mohammed had studied and we felt it was a brilliant fit. everyone explains how hard younis works and how driven he has been to

attain the english language level he needs to go to university and everything he has experienced, so we are really proud we have chosen younis. thank you very much, and good luck with your studies. do you know what you want to be afterwards? aerospace engineering with pilot studies. fabulous, good luck with it. thank you very much, thank you for your company today. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. i will see you soon. live is coming up next. i will see you soon. hope you have a good day and good weekend. bye—bye. hi there, good morning, after the heavy and persistent rain many of us had over the last week orso, or so, this may be a welcome sight for many, sunshine coming through in kent, and elsewhere we will see some

sunshine gradually breaking through the cloud across england and wales. still some showers into the afternoon across central areas in particular, further north across scotla nd particular, further north across scotland and northern ireland and some showers and sunny spells, feeling woman in the sunshine than in recent days, those temperatures getting up to about 16—19d. through this evening we will see a bit more in the way of cloud and rain moving through northern ireland, spreading into the west of scotland, through wales and south—west of england, so that band of rain will be sitting there first thing on saturday morning. it will gradually move east but break up into more showery rain, but break up into more showery rain, but some sunshine in between. sunny spells and showers expected on sunday, but as you can see the temperatures start to rise and by sunday about 20 celsius in the south—east of england and turning a bit warmer still next week.

you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's11am, these are the main stories this morning: the health secretary, matt hancock drops out of the conservative leadership race. so far, he hasn't said which of the remain six he will give his backing to. the party clearly is looking for a candidate to deal with the here and now. i very much put myself forward as the candidate focused on the future. and so i've decided to withdraw from the race. two years on from the grenfell tower fire, survivors and relatives of the 72 dead come together to remember the tragedy. it is very hard to believe it has happened. even though you know and you have seen death certificates