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that you know, the other candidates mightjust drop out, and they would effectively be a coronation. he would be the only one left. is that a real possibility, and if so, would that be healthy? it's a possibility come i think it would be a massive mistake, exactly as vicki was just outlining, this is not voted on by the public, it's incredibly important i think, that the ideas and debates are kind of had in public. and that there's a proper agenda which is prosecuted and analysed, that didn't happen last time around, and actually meant as of theresa may's own team have said that that was a problem, because she didn't feel like she had a mandate going in fora didn't feel like she had a mandate going in for a lot of the domestic policy that she wanted to do, and i think it's important this time around that members get to see that coming they have a proper mandate for the programme. but they are just meant potential routes to it. one is a route whereby conceivable that all the others, if borisjohnsonjust conceivable that all the others, if borisjohnson just hoover's conceivable that all the others, if boris johnson just hoover's up conceivable that all the others, if borisjohnson just hoover's up all the boats, and nobody gets above the threshold, they are all out. they are gone. in five minutes' time. and then, even if borisjohnson wanted a
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race, he's got no one to raise. that's not likely. no, it's not likely. it's not inconceivable down the track, that if his momentum builds so much, that next time you have the next threshold that conceivably people wouldn't actually reach that yardstick. so it something we have to watch, but i completely agree with laura that it would be, it would be a terrible idea for boris johnson, particularly because he's got, he needs all his conservative collea g u es got, he needs all his conservative colleagues on the side as far as possible to prosecute what he said he's going to do, in the run—up to october the 31st. they are already some that say i don't fancy this. who are threatening maybe actually voting down the government. why wouldn't they feel emboldened and that if they felt that he had got through, but without the required widget missy? our we'd right in thinking boris johnson, it's his to lose once we get to the party membership stage? i would right in this assumption here is massively popular out there in
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conservative associations. we have been at the sale conservative club in greater manchester this evening, and he is the darling of the tory party members, is that the correct assumption? it is. the polling shows he is the overwhelming favourites, certainly the name that comes up the most often. everything indicates that they'd be very angry if they we re that they'd be very angry if they were not able to vote for him. a lot of membership associations have expressed that view to their mp. of membership associations have expressed that view to their mkm other words, it only has to be on the final ballot or two. even if he came second by some reverse of fortune and the mps put him second, you need to get on that ballot to the wider party membership? he has a lwa ys the wider party membership? he has always been very popular with members, but at the moment, the main reason he is the outright favourite is because he is seen as the most credible person to take us out of the european union. there are two issues they are, one is that if his
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messaging is a bit of fudged or pointing both ways — and we have seen some of that, even to the extent he has stuck his head over the parapet on a limited way so far — then i think some of his supporters will scratch their heads and say this wasn't what they expected from the resolute, steadfast boris johnson to take us out on the 31st of october, come what may. but if he does get in on that platform and then can't make it happen by october 31, they could be very disappointed. let's listen now, because members of the committee are there. ladies and gentlemen, behalf of the 1922 committee, charles walker and i as returning officers for the election for the leader of the conservative and unionist party can now declare the results of second balance. the total number of votes cast into doubfs total number of votes cast into doubt‘s ballot was 313. the total number of ballot papers rejected was, again, zero. the total number
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of votes given to each candidate, in alphabetical order, were as follows michael gove, a1. jeremy hunt, a6. sajid javid, 33. borisjohnson, 126. dominic rob, 30. rory stewart, 37. therefore, the following candidates are now eligible to continue onto the next ballot on wednesday the 19th ofjune, at 3pm. michael gove, jeremy hunt, sajid javid, boris johnson and rory stewart. thank you very much. well, there we are.
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dominic rob, on 30 votes, drops out. the other five go through. sajid javid, just on 33, squeaking that magical 33. let's get some reaction from our commentators here in the studio. a former adviser to theresa may, what you make of that? boris johnson's numbers, first of all, 126, only gone up slightly, only 12 votes more than last time? it's pretty interesting now, isn't it! it will be fun and grains. that race for second place is fascinating. the substantial move is rory stewart. he is the one with the most momentum. and we were speculating about that before, whether that was alljust hype and speculation, that he had some momentum, but it seems he did.
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he's gone up from 19 to 37. they we re he's gone up from 19 to 37. they were worried today about whether he would make the 33 threshold, to break that by some margin is an amazing achievement for his team. and he is creeping up on michael gove and jeremy hunt. they will be feeling that breast down the back of the next. sajid javid has done ok, that a substantial move from him as well, 23 to 33. does look now looks the weakest? no, ithink it's well, 23 to 33. does look now looks the weakest? no, i think it's all to play for. let see how they do this evening. the pressure's on, but the opportunity is there for all of them. rory stewart could be patting himself on the bank now and in two hours' time, have a complete nightmare and the whole thing goes" nightmare and the whole thing goes. . . the nightmare and the whole thing goes... the tv debate is tonight on bbc one, but all the mps, are they going to be watching that tv debate?
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out 100%. what we've seen going to be watching that tv debate? out 10096. what we've seen with the rory stewart result is that the campaign really matters. the mp5 are looking for people are going to lead them into the next election, whenever that will be and keep their seats. the content through that rory stewart has had from that perspective really matters, and his popularity figures really matter. and how they present themselves and vex themselves in the debate is of critical importance. to come back to the earlier question, why debate when this is only about mps, not the public or the millions that will watch, this is about who will be the next prime minister, and it's a big jump next prime minister, and it's a big jump from next prime minister, and it's a big jumpfrom any next prime minister, and it's a big jump from any office and yet i don't ca re of jump from any office and yet i don't care of it as foreign secretary or chancellor whatever — to be the leader of the nation — and to demonstrate you have that fitness and character and it is so subjective, and can you reach out to
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the whole country under pressure is on. it is fair to say there have been questions about borisjohnson in particular as foreign secretary, a lot of people very critical of him while he was in that great office of state. there were. his record is something he's going to have to defend as he goes through. people we re defend as he goes through. people were commentary about him as mayor, and that is what he has been emphasising. he was quelling more than that at its launch than as foreign secretary. that's also why michael gove has been really emphasising his ministerial records at environment and justice and education and trying to bring that up education and trying to bring that up as education and trying to bring that upasa education and trying to bring that up as a real asset to him in his campaign. one calculation on the pa rt campaign. one calculation on the part borisjohnson at‘s team that hasn't come off, they thought the channel a debate would be a role for people, cacophonous, as they described it. it hasn't slimmed down, there is one fewer. than it means there will be four with every
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right to get their teeth stuck into borisjohnson. at right to get their teeth stuck into boris johnson. at are still a lot of blue hero on blue era, as he called it. what about his numbers, they haven't gone up massively, will he be disappointed? there was talk of as much as hundred and 50. and talk it is less than most people would expect. it's still huge, it doesn't matter, then i'm going up, he has momentum, more than anyone else. but the real story is rory coming up through the centre and the fact that he has managed to put on that money ina he has managed to put on that money in a short space of time. and is rory stewart the one that boris johnson would like to have against him when it comes to the tory party membership voting? because he is a more polarised debate, will he like that or notes? rory is kamikaze, he just wants to take boris johnson down. i'm not sure that is comfortable for anyone. the others
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will be starting to think about deals. to go back to vicki young with the very latest, would you make of those results? that was quite eventful, wasn't it? five candidates left, interesting to see rory stewart game at 20 votes from the first round. sajid javid squeaking in there with 33, dominic raab drops out, meaning five people taking part in our bbc debate injust a couple of hours. penny mordaunt is with me, she is supporting jeremy hunt, what you make of that? he has gained three, that you consider men to mess with him? i'm pleased he is still in second place, that is a strong position at this stage in the contest. i think we have seen tactical voting. what i would say to colleagues is, if you want the best final possible, you want serious candidates going forward, you have a clear plan and the people who are in
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the best position to deliver the deal we need for britain, notjust whatever we can get away with, then they really need to think about who they're going to vote for in the coming rounds. ithink they're going to vote for in the coming rounds. i think what will be bad for the party is if we had a final that was very polarised and really wasn't taking the issues that are facing us seriously. you think it needs to be two brexiteers in the final round? it needs to be two brexiteers in the final round ? obviously it needs to be two brexiteers in the final round? obviously not, because you are backing jeremy hunt. doesn't need to be who backed brexit in the final vote? i think it will need to be people who set out to deliver brexit. i voted be people who set out to deliver brexit. ivoted leave, iwant be people who set out to deliver brexit. i voted leave, i want us to deliver brexit. i would prefer us to have no deal than no brexit, and i trustjeremy have no deal than no brexit, and i trust jeremy hunt to deliver that, because i've seen him in cabinet in the last 12 months fight to do precisely that. what i also think is that he is someone who will be able
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to unite the wings of the party, and i think, as well as he set out in the first debates, understand that we've got to have a deal that works for the country and that everyone can get behind. and that's why i'm supporting him, he is a serious candidate for a serious job. summa jeremy's supporters have switched to back rory? i think the first round we had is the only pure rounds of people who are going to get through. there is lots of tactical voting i'iow. there is lots of tactical voting now. what i would say to all colleagues is, let's think about this. we are notjust electing the leader of our party, not just trying to settle scores, we are actually selecting the next prime minister. this is a really serious job ahead of us, and we need a serious guy, someone who has immense experience, someone who has immense experience, someone who has a plan and also, critically, that report that's
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needed to reopen at the deal. if we can't do that, there are only grim choices ahead and i don't want that for our country. at are you worried rory stewart is too divisive a character, given that has been attacking boris johnson character, given that has been attacking borisjohnson pretty harshly? i think this content should be about the issues, it should be about testing people's plans to deliver brexit, but should be about other things as well. we haven't just got thatjob other things as well. we haven't just got that job to do, we have other things as well. we haven't just got thatjob to do, we have a raft of other things to sort out. that's what i want the contest to be about, and also, it's time to think about, and also, it's time to think about the direction the party wants to go in. i want a final that does that and will do the country proud. thank you very much. interesting, looking at that with michael gove as well, acting on a few votes, though penny mordaunt clearly fills there are some who would be supporters of jeremy hunt, maybe centrist in the
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conservative party, who had voted for rory stewart to make sure he has gone through. with 39 votes, they will be extremely pleased and think the momentum is with them. thank you very much, vicki. we go back to annita mcveigh who is at the sale conservative club in greater manchester. bring us some reaction from there? lots of reaction there as the results were read out, but the biggest reactions in the room we re the biggest reactions in the room were when the numbers for boris johnson and rory stewart were called out. some applause when it was announced rory stewart had exceeded the 33 votes required to get through to the next round. let's get a bit more detailed reaction with these ladies. your gut reaction on this news? i'm surprised michael gove is still in the running. i am surprised a numberof still in the running. i am surprised a number of votes boris got, very surprised. that is interesting to
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hear because some people aren't surprised, but you are, good to get a range of opinion. i will put this down the table, because with me are laura down the table, because with me are la u ra eva ns down the table, because with me are laura evans and stephen cox, both in the business world. i have spoken to you both earlier this evening, dominic raab's out, but neither of you were backing dominic raab, so your thoughts on who is through and the numbers? i like the numbers, like the fact we will have real debate. we have a wide choice of possible candidates. we were discussing earlier we thought they we re discussing earlier we thought they were a discussing earlier we thought they we re a very discussing earlier we thought they were a very good calibre of candidates, they are going to have to work and earn those votes is. to point out to be convincing. you mentioned earlier you like sajid javid, he has squeak through with a 33 votes, you are disappointed by that? i think because of his business background, he is probably one of the ones who strive the most to get where he is coming understand small business and how difficult it
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is. he probably understands how difficult it is now while we are waiting this through to go my results—wise, in october, anyone in a small business is concerned. at your thoughts on those numbers? a small business is concerned. at your thoughts on those number57m is surprising, dominic, in my view, has done extremely well, but today he has not got the support required. what is surprising is that rory has increased on the first round of votes and boris has obviously increased his numbers as well. so it will be very interesting, after the debate this evening, once we hear from the candidates and their views oi'i from the candidates and their views on different topics. good to get your reaction, thank you. a lot of people here saying that they are very open—minded about this debate tonight, there are open to the idea that the candidates' performance in this debate could persuade them perhaps to change their minds when
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it comes to the way they'll vote, because very soon it will be the conservative grassroot members who will be choosing the next conservative leader and prime minister. thank you. we go back to westminster and join vicki young again. one of the questions is, dominic raab eliminated, what happens to his 30 votes? when we go forward to the next round, this time tomorrow, he is a brexiteer, some would say on the harder side of brexiteer, so very interesting to see where his votes will go. but you would think most of them would go to borisjohnson or michael gove, would think most of them would go to boris johnson or michael gove, but you can't be sure. i've had people saying, i shared an office within 20 yea rs saying, i shared an office within 20 years ago, that's why i'm voting for them. you can never be sure. what you make of the results, boris johnson still adding more names, way out in france, some say there is no point in even holding a contest?” don't agree with that, i think we
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need to go through this process and we need to talk about conservatism in modern britain. obviously, boris isa in modern britain. obviously, boris is a long way in front, but this is not done yet, there is probably two ballots for thursday, so we need to keep working hard on making the case. you can search keep working hard on making the case. you can search some keep working hard on making the case. you can search some tory mps are saying one thing about boris johnson's brexit policy — in duncan smith was saying earlier there won't be anything like it withdrawal agreement bill done — other sing completely different things. that there is a problem here. there is a debate and i'm sure here. there is a debate and i'm sure he will be asked about it. no—one was expecting this leadership campaign, so they have to start from scratch. there will be discussions oi'i scratch. there will be discussions on policy going forward. boris has made it clear will be leaving on 315t made it clear will be leaving on 31st of october. there are permutations of that there will be worked through in the next few weeks, but now we have got through
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another round, two more to go this week, and we will go to the members oi'i week, and we will go to the members on thursday, hopefully. dukery boris isa on thursday, hopefully. dukery boris is a unifying figure?” on thursday, hopefully. dukery boris is a unifying figure? i really do, i think the country is in a specific place at the moment and requires a specific solution. if you look at what's going on with brexit, it seems clear to me that the country wants borisjohnson seems clear to me that the country wants boris johnson and we seems clear to me that the country wants borisjohnson and we should get him in there and get a good team around him and get this done. the country's looking to us to leeds in a modern, compassionate, conservative manner and i look forward to that happening. are you confident that as the boris johnson who would be prime minister? again, some of the supporters wouldn't agree with some of the one nation, centrist policies that you might favour? i am confident on the boris johnson we are going to get. none of us are
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johnson we are going to get. none of us are blind, you don't come to parliament and later awareness of what is going on. this is our best opportunity to lead this nation and govern it in a one nation, centre right, modern fashion. there are people in this country are crying out for that is. boris is our best opportunity to do that. rory stewart has come from nowhere, what you make of his campaign? do you think he has managing to engage with people beyond the tory family? there is no doubt he has managed to get people beyond the conservative vote to vote for him, and i like some of the methods he employed in his campaigning. iwish methods he employed in his campaigning. i wish him all the best, but i think the results of those are pretty clear and i had, going forward, will be able to unite and forward as one. thank you. very crowded here, people havejust come down from that committee corridor where the result was read out, i think it was pretty tense in there for many of the teams, not least
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tea m for many of the teams, not least team sajid javid is. that was quite close, wasn't it? and it was, but we are delighted. 33 votes, he does arrive, will he stay in the race? absolutely, we are in it to win it. we are going to be inviting colleagues over the next couple of hours to think about sculpting the final two. i'm pretty sure that borisjohnson will find final two. i'm pretty sure that boris johnson will find himself in the final, he has had a good result again today and is not as good as they hoped, but a very good lead, andl they hoped, but a very good lead, and i would hope colleagues would start to think a more tactical way to think best they can position a brand conservative, both within our membership and the country as a whole who will be watching very closely our declarations as we decide who the next prime minister will be. when you say that out loud, thatis will be. when you say that out loud, that is a big responsibility that we
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have. sajid is representing, his bank story, as we know, forms his political outlook and his little aspiration for the country. i think having sajid javid is a serious and senior player in government, taking that positive message that he has to the broader country, juxtaposed to borisjohnson, is a compelling and exciting one and positions of the brand of the conservative party very well. aces back story enough? it is an incredible story, he came here, the son of an immigrant from pakistan who had £1 in his pockets, we've heard her story about not being able to do maths a level, it is compelling, but is it enough? people want to hear about policies. sense of course it isn't enough, there are a lot of people with that back story, that is not enough for a prime minister. it's what he's done with it it is how we shoot is how we shipped his outlook and his vision of the conservative party being the
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best place to make that change to people's lives. to open up those doors of opportunity. that translates. as policy platform is not based on reading some treaties or booklet or report in a dusty library and saying, that's interesting. this is based on his life experience and that of his family. that's what drives him, and i think that's an interesting prospectus and a good foundation to say to a generation who, for a whole variety of reasons, i do think the tory party is not for them or who believe that that opportunity agenda, that life changing agenda, the social mobility agenda which was available to previous generations but not theirs, he is standing up and shouting from the rooftops, no, it's not, we can do it together, our best days do lie ahead, i want to make sure that meritocratic choice,
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that kicking in of doors that are keeping them from life choices, those will go under javid premiership, andl those will go under javid premiership, and i am proud of the result and proud to be supporting in the next round, because it is that outlook of what politics can do, the why of politics, not just the water, that i think the country is crying out for, and i think saj delivers that in buckets. having said that, 33, he is still way behind the others, is he going to get much more support on the other rounds? we start from ground zero, because tomorrow is another day and it is another round. i am encouraging colleagues having to think about how are we going to shake this, how are we going to move this forward? i'm really conscious and hopeful that we can persuade enough colleagues to say, let's make this an interesting
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contest, let's put someone in the final two he doesn't want to just contest, let's put someone in the final two he doesn't want tojust be prime minister to have it on their right to see, or because they've been planning it on the back of an envelope for their last 20 years, let's put in someone with a real chance of being our prime minister, why, because he wants to be someone who does something. i think that should be a magnetic message. thank you very much. very lead mine from it sajid javid's team. now a representative from rory stewart. i can tell you our pleas, he is put on quite a few votes, how do you explain that many search? people have listened to him, he has the most realistic plan, he's not trying to promise things for brexit or even spending commitments, he has been a very honest about what we face as a country and how he will get us
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through it. i guess there's a markets for honest politicians. you can pretend everything wasn't going to change just because a different person is going to be trying to renegotiate, but most of us know thatis renegotiate, but most of us know that is unlikely to happen and we also assume it doesn't. if it does, brilliance, all of us have a much easier way of getting brexit done, but you have to assume anything like thatis but you have to assume anything like that is not going to happen, and i think rory's plan is realistic. this ban persevere with theresa may's deal, which is being rejected three times, some would say that isn't realistic? out every leadership contender voted for the agreements, 90% of tory mps dead as well. a lot of conservative —— a lot of labour mps say they wish they could as well. there's no problem with brexit or the deal, the problem is a hung parliament and people have been opportunistic, say they see an opportunity for them to take power
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or be opportunity for them to take power orbea opportunity for them to take power or be a leader. if all that changes, then actually, people should vote... this withdrawal agreement is actually quite reasonable and there may be more wadding coming in the political declaration that was allow people to feel more relaxed about certain aspects, but i've worked in business a long time, there is nothing wrong with this agreement, it isa nothing wrong with this agreement, it is a reasonable approach, it has just been terribly sold because most people are selling against it because they wanted something different. i think there is a realistic reason for that. where to remember, because the alternative people are talking about is something like no deal, and the reality is, we're going to put thousands of businesses and millions of people under some kind of impact to them, because 30 people in parliament won't vote for a reasonable deal. this has got to be put into context, and what rory says, if this continues, we will do something which will shine a light
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oi'i something which will shine a light on theirs and say this is a good deal, take some evidence and then ta ke deal, take some evidence and then take quickjamming deal, take some evidence and then take quick jamming recommendations. when somebody looks at it, there are 97 pages, a reasonable person would say it's fine. a lot of people saying rory stewart was my getting support from people who want to see him have a go at borisjohnson, effectively, and tonight's debate because it has been a prettily aggressively gunning for boris johnson. they're worried about that in terms of party cohesion? i've stopped listening to what a lot of people say because i've realised this is a game of chinese whispers. basically, a lot of it is signalling and misleading. ithink basically, a lot of it is signalling and misleading. i think it's reasonable that boris comes under scrutiny, this is an audition to be prime minister, you have to be extraordinary to be prime minister. i think rory is externally, i think he's got star quality very rarely see another person or politics, but
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you have to be put under scrutiny and your plan has to be put under scrutiny. and if you like that, the great thing about selling rory is that the plan is so honest, it's very easy. you're not overpromising and under delivering, you're not trying to be two different things, you're just telling it how it is and how you're going to do something which is going to move the country forward. thank you very much. rory stewart will be among the others taking part in the bbc debate and about an hour taking part in the bbc debate and aboutan hourand taking part in the bbc debate and about an hour and a half. just before you go, reminds us what happens next couple of days we do this all again tomorrow, the result at 60 tomorrow, they vote again, and the person who finishes last drops out. and then on thursday, a ballot in the morning and the afternoon if neededin in the morning and the afternoon if needed in order to get that number down to two, they then go forward to the election, elected by conservative party members. we do it
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all again tomorrow. that's it for us, now sports day. hello there. or molly foster. here's what's coming up for you on straight sport state tonight. morgan hits afghanistan for six of the world cup. 17 of them in fact. that's a one—day record. cup. 17 of them in fact. that's a one-day record. michelle platen is detained by the french police, questioned about qatar's successful world cup bid. gerard thomas is aduu world cup bid. gerard thomas is adult for this year to route france come he was taken to hospital after heavy crash in switzerland.

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