‘w r "nit w in "all f.‘{ u might say it is suppose, chris, some might say it is not really going to matter whoever borisjohnson gets because he has got the party, a bit like donald trump with the republicans in the united states, he has got it locked down, hasn't he? boris had won before he had even started in my view. i think the shame of it is and i disagree with joanna view. i think the shame of it is and i disagree withjoanna and what tim said earlier, the final two, we had a chance to have a interesting debate about the future of the party and the country and that would have been good to have rory stewart because they are the extremes, i think that would have been healthy to ta ke think that would have been healthy to take the opportunity to have the discussion about what kind of party do we want to be and what kind of future do we want for the country and afinal future do we want for the country and a final two that is boris johnson and jeremy hunt, there isn't much difference between them and it is almost i think ultimately slightly futile because i do think borisjohnson will win so i am not

sure what we will get out of that. i think to give jeremy hunt some credit, and i'm coming into this whole leadership election, i could not quite see the point of him, but ido not quite see the point of him, but i do think you performed well yesterday. i agree. ithink i do think you performed well yesterday. i agree. i think it i do think you performed well yesterday. iagree. ithink it was the one candidate in the debate that really spoke, it seemed to me, openly and properly to the questionnaires, and i think he has shown a darned sight more sense when it comes to spending commitments and borisjohnson so there it comes to spending commitments and boris johnson so there may be a debate between the two of them to be had on fiscal propriety as it were, and that is a very important aspect of conservatism which seems to have completely been ignored and all of this. it is, but it is a debate in different parameters. it is quite interesting when it comes to energy.

rory stewart making the point about tax cuts. if you do not get brexit right, you will not have the money in order to cut people slack. and in order to out people slack. and boris in order to cut people slack. and boris pulled away from that yesterday. it two big headline things, weaving on the 31st and cutting the top rate of tax, already here has differentiated. does that for you? yes. bearing in mind that he is probably going to wind, he's going to be the next prime minister, lots of questions about... i don't know, the speaking, statements that perhaps are stretching the truth, so on and so forth, no real underlying ideology that perhaps might endear him to people who are not conservative voters but you might be wavering, for instance. the lack of a clear ideology slightly bothers

myself because i'm a conservative purist but that is not necessarily a problem in terms of reaching out. this might be a good thing. 0k, some up this might be a good thing. 0k, some up how we did last night. does not sound like you were impressed. —— sum up how he does.” sound like you were impressed. —— sum up how he does. i do not have a particular favourite from the start of this leadership race, i have seen it quite differently from the many of these, five or six, that i have seen. i can understand why boris was not very successful as —— i can understand why boris was the mea but ido understand why boris was the mea but i do not think that was the right role for him. the full attitude to this campaign has been come on, make my day, tell me something that will get me to renew my party membership. lots of people would question his success lots of people would question his success in the role of mayor of

london to be fair. one wonders if his handlers and the people behind him were onto something clearly and making sure he only attended one debate. i think they were and last night, the format justified debate. i think they were and last night, the formatjustified their decision. the format was not really brilliant for anyone last night and actually they will point back at that and say, there we are, it was a bone fight between five conservatives. they will be really happy because boris got away with it la st happy because boris got away with it last night. he was not brilliant. he dug onto —— if you dig into some of his answers, you would be really wondering. why fight we will come back, we are going to get the announcement now. no, it isn't her colleague who will make the

announcement. as returning officers to the election for the leader of the conservative and unionist party can now declare the results of the third ballot. the total number of votes cast intraday‘s ballot was 313. the total number of ballot papers rejected was zero. the total number of votes given to each candidate in alphabetical order were as follows... michael gove, 51. jeremy hunt, 5a. sajid javid, 38. borisjohnson, 143. jeremy hunt, 5a. sajid javid, 38. boris johnson, 143. rory jeremy hunt, 54. sajid javid, 38. borisjohnson, 143. rory stewart, 27. the following candidates are now eligible to continue onto the next ballot on thursday the 20th ofjune

at10am. ballot on thursday the 20th ofjune at 10am. michael gove, jeremy hunt, sajid javid, and boris johnson. there you have it, borisjohnson again coming out on top, increasing his tally to 143. the headline, though, rory stewart is the man who did not make the cut, going down ten votes to 27. michael gove, he is up by ten to 51, jeremy hunt, he is up 12 to... up eight, sorry, to 54. sajid javid up as well. no surprise there, some would argue. ten minutes ago, isaid there, some would argue. ten minutes ago, i said there was a possibility that rory stewart might remain in the race, but that said, that was slightly wishful thinking in terms of wanting this to be an exciting

wider debate. i'm really pleased that sajid javid has remained there but i think, as chris was suggesting, he may yet decide to pull out, and then really there's so little between jeremy pull out, and then really there's so little betweenjeremy hunt pull out, and then really there's so little between jeremy hunt and michael gove now in terms of votes that this is beginning, even for those of us who are not as riveted as we are, it is beginning to heat up. it looks as if rory stewart, by his own admission, did not have the best of nights last night. he has gone down. in terms of michael gove and jeremy hunt, and they have both gone up, fairly substantially. it looks as if perhaps they've got some of the stuart vote and some of the dominic raab vote as well. it does, you do not know what happened yesterday with tactical voting. you

never quite know. it's a secret ballot. dominic raab's vote will largely have gone to borisjohnson but may michael gove might have had enough to pick up some of those and rory stewart might have split evenly as well. my basic response to what has happened this evening is everything is going to plan for borisjohnson. he everything is going to plan for boris johnson. he is everything is going to plan for borisjohnson. he is way ahead, he can engineer it and pick his opponent in the final two. i do think you would rather that opponent bejeremy think you would rather that opponent be jeremy hunt than think you would rather that opponent bejeremy hunt than anyone else so i think it is another good day for borisjohnson. think it is another good day for boris johnson. that wider debate within the conservative party, it's clear you feel it should be taking place, more than conservativism reaching out to audiences that perhaps might not have contemplated voting conservative. someone like sajid javid, is he the only one of this lot who perhaps fits that bill?

it isa this lot who perhaps fits that bill? it is a mistake to think he is the only one who fits the bill. it suggests just because he only one who fits the bill. it suggestsjust because he is not only one who fits the bill. it suggests just because he is not the only traditional candidate in conservative terms that he nevertheless is the only one that can articulate a different type of conservativism. the other three, oxbridge, public school, so on and so oxbridge, public school, so on and so forth. looking at michael gove and what he has achieved in government, he is really quite a radical, and intellectual, someone with really interesting ideas and if it were not for the fact that frankly i think it's quite problematic having someone who has admitted to breaking the law on several occasions as a prime minister, which was a huge shame i think because in terms of his capacity, particularly to articulate a conservativism that would take jeremy corbyn on, he was the strongest of the candidates. jeremy corbyn on, he was the strongest of the candidateslj jeremy corbyn on, he was the strongest of the candidates. i think he has written that out. do you

think it is still hampering him? he has always placed third, not second. always third, but i think it really did derail his campaign and he has never been able to get momentum going behind his campaign as a result. at the start of this contest, there were quite a few people i spoke to any party who said borisjohnson is a shoe in for the final two and the question is who goes up against him? the only person who could possibly beat him in the country as michael gove because he isa country as michael gove because he is a debater country as michael gove because he isa debaterand country as michael gove because he is a debater and in the hustings around the country, there wasjust a chance he could be the person to do it. the moment that story came out, though, the momentum are so crucial in these things and it really stalled his momentum. he has never got it going. he is still very close, only just behind jeremy got it going. he is still very close, onlyjust behind jeremy hunt, and he could pick up some of those 27 votes so it could yet happen. i just think the dynamics of this are such that borisjohnson has such just think the dynamics of this are such that boris johnson has such a lead he really can tactically choose

who his final opponent will be and thatis who his final opponent will be and that is why it plays against michael but do not rule him out, he's been ruled out any pass that he still there. we have to leave it there. thank you both forjoining us. let's get some more reaction now, back to oui’ get some more reaction now, back to our chief political correspondent in central lobby of parliament. that is right, people streaming down here now to give their reaction. rory stewart dropping out in round three, leaving the four others to fight another day. let's get some reaction from liam fox is with me now, you're jeremy hunt. what do you make of it? he has put on a few more supporters there and he is in second place. are you pleased with that? he was in second place before, still there. you pleased with that? he was in second place before, stillthere. i think you did very well and the tv debate last night coming across as clear, concise, authoritative, and i think he has a calm presence that people are beginning to increasingly appreciate. there is no doubt there

isa appreciate. there is no doubt there is a bit ofa appreciate. there is no doubt there is a bit of a tactical voting going on today. we hear of mps saying i wa nt on today. we hear of mps saying i want so—and—so but i will vote for someone want so—and—so but i will vote for someone else, always in these contest there was an element of who they want to eliminate but we have got the four most experienced candidates left at the end. i think a lot of us would have thought that was the most likely outcome from the very beginning of a very long process. some people are saying both people should be people who voted for breakfast. you are a brexiteers. —— you voted for brexit. you are a brexit here. getting someone like jeremy hunt who has not committed to the cause. they want someone who will not accept no brexit as an outcome. jeremy hunt has get very clearly said, if the choice is between no brexit and no deal, he would have to accept no deal. i would have to accept no deal. i would not be supporting him if i did

not believe he was going to clearly ta ke not believe he was going to clearly take it out of the european union but a general election would be more thana but a general election would be more than a single issue. in a general election, we need to speak about the issues voters want to talk about. if the other elections have taught us anything, we cannot talk about things that voters do not want to hear about. jeremy hunt is an entrepreneur, he understands how small businesses work, the problems they have faith that he is key to they have faith that he is key to the conservative party re—engaging with this electoral base. his father was in the armed forces, he understands the need for strong defences and he was the health secretary and understands the needs for spending on the nhs. he himself having achieved the single biggest agreement to increase spending we've ever had. are you willing for there to bea ever had. are you willing for there to be a slight delay to brexit, so not the end of october if a deal is in the offing? there is a big difference between no agreement with

the european union, in which case there will be a very strong incentive to leave on the 31st of october, but if we are in the process of leaving, if you have an agreement and we process of leaving, if you have an agreementand we are process of leaving, if you have an agreement and we are in the process of legislating it, ithink agreement and we are in the process of legislating it, i think most people would think it was a rational to abandon all of that just because ofa to abandon all of that just because of a single debate. i want us to leave the european union, i spent a great deal of time campaigning for that but i want us to leave the european union and you least disruptive way possible, and i believe we can get a better agreement, leaving with a deal is the best way but of the choice is between leaving without a deal and not having brexit at all, that is entirely a no—brainer. not having brexit at all, that is entirely a no-brainer. what about what some colleagues are saying aboutjeremy hunt? not to be too rude but some are saying here is dull and uninspiring, theresa may and trousers. they want a bigger character, more charisma. they want the best prime minister. i have worked withjeremy the best prime minister. i have worked with jeremy very closely in cabinet and elsewhere and i think he

exudes a quiet confidence and he is extremely good at mastering detail in command of his brief. in the house of commons, he is always very knowledgeable and courteous, and i think there is a place in politics for politeness and courtesy. not to be impolite, i'm going to move you out the way and get someone else in to get raw reaction. johnny mercer is here, backing borisjohnson. way ahead there, 143 votes, is there any point in carrying on with this contest? there is, more people are voting for him. different areas of the party as well. it is going well. if we are lucky enough to make it through to tomorrow, there are four weeks of going out of the country and trying to build a vision of a modern conservative party which is the exciting part. no complacency, lucky enough to get through. is that the aim if you get through? to build

a broader vision? we have not had much of that so far. this is what it is all about, we will not achieve anything amongst these divisions and splits currently going on. when that does happen, it would be an opportunity to really speak about what modern conservativism is about but once we have a prime minister could to come back together as a party, as a group and try and meet, it isa party, as a group and try and meet, it is a huge parliament. brexit has paralysed this place for two and a half or three years, we want people to govern, get on with ourjobs, meet the challenges of daily life, so those are the things people like me are looking forward to and i think it will be good. what will the biggest challenge be to get uni back in the party? we have watched for the last two years, there is a bro total breakdown of authority, unity, discipline. you've watched on in horror sometimes is that has happened. how can a new leader do that? it will be so difficult. when you get a new leader, there is a new

buzz about the place. new energy. to try and meet the challenges. there is no doubt, the numbers have not changed any challenges there but i think our best opportunity of getting through that is packing a tea m getting through that is packing a team around boris johnson, getting through that is packing a team around borisjohnson, uniting us as one team around borisjohnson, uniting us as one team after this. no one said it will be easy but we have to do it because we have to deliver this brexit biked over the 31st otherwise you will be in serious trouble as a party and a democracy. not doing what you are so clearly mandated to do so i think the candidate mps understand that, i think we can do it and get to the end of this process. thank you very much indeed. you will grab a few more people and get reaction from the other camps so do come back to oz in the other camps so do come back to ozina the other camps so do come back to oz in a minute. thank you. let's continue to our guests. let's pick a boris johnson let's continue to our guests. let's pick a borisjohnson cabinet. we know he's going to wind, right? who as foreign secretary? perhaps rory

stewart. this is interesting, isn't it? if you brought rory stewart in as foreign secretary, which i think you would like, by the sounds of what you are saying before, it would be intriguing because it does feel as if they have different ideas of british power. i do not think that will happen. i think more possibly michael gove. which is probably what he would want. i think we might see jeremy hunt as chancellor. i think we might see someone like andrea leadsom. i think possibly actually as party chairwoman because i think the party faithful admire the way she supported theresa may, she was loyal up until it was pushed a bit

too far to do that, it's an important role and it is a job that needs to be done. there is a job that needs to be done in terms of reorganising the party. but i also think there is something to be said... david cameron was very good at keeping people in post and letting them get on with things, developing them. i think michael gove has been a really good environment secretary and in a sense it would be a shame to see him moved. we will have to go back to vicky at central lobby. she has another guess for us. michael gove and his team, who are sounding pretty pleased with what is going on. 51 votes for michael gove, we have damien heinz with me now. is that enough progress? you're still not in second place. that is what you're talking about. accelerating progress from michael gove, closing the gap, putting on vote at a very good pace. more votes to come

tomorrow and i would be encouraging everyone, all of my colleagues, to think about who they want to be in that other place. we know one of the other two people in the final —— we know who one of the people in the final will be, the question is the other. michael gove is able to unite the party around him, he has the experience, the vision for the future and the practical approach to making sure we get out of the european union. someone said earlier, a commentator, that the psychodrama of borisjohnson against michael gove would be terrible for the conservative party given what happened last time round, michael gove pulling his support from boris johnson and boris johnson gove pulling his support from boris johnson and borisjohnson standing down. it would be interesting for journalists but would it be good for the party? you these are two big personalities we are talking about and michael has the stature, he has the debating capability certainly, he's been putting himself under scrutiny from you and your collea g u es scrutiny from you and your colleagues in the media, we need to see that now happening out in the country where the two that candidates are subject to scrutiny.

are having a good, robust debate about how the country can keep on moving forward. and i think michael is the right man and one of the two people who will be in the final. he said he would not be totally wedded to that exit date of the 31st of october, does that mean we will not get as much support? that isjust sensible. you have to do what you think is right and sell what you think is right and sell what you think it is right to the public. we need to get out of european union but as michael rightly said, if you are in touching distance of a good deal are in touching distance of a good will usually say you will chop it up in order to have a no—deal brexit, which we know is not a good outcome. it raises questions about the integrity and the union of the united kingdom, it raises big questions, big challenges for some of our really crucial business sector. you would say, no, let's keep going till we get over the line until we get a good, negotiated

brexit deal. what about people who say michael gove as divisive, and he did feathers? he has not been afraid to do difficult things and some of those things have attracted criticism but they have had great effect so in education, an area i know best of all, the progress that was made during michael's time, some of the reforms made in schools has been really significant for children in our country and crucially it was not only about raising the average attainment in schools. everything michael did and i am signed up to this as well, everything we do in education has to be about raising attainment but narrowing the attainment but narrowing the attainment gap between rich and the poon attainment gap between rich and the poor, and great progress was made that funding. thank you very much indeed. that is the response they are from team gove. i am looking over because rory stewart are standing there, we will come and speak to us, he isjust being hugged by one of his massive supporters.

very disappointed to lose out at this stage, lots of support there and a big hug but clearly the dream is overfor rory and a big hug but clearly the dream is over for rory stewart who will speak to us now. you live on bbc news. give me your response, obviously disappointed. disappointed because i think our country is in a moment of great crisis, disappointed because the long—term future of our party and our country must be in the centre ground of politics. there because really the fact that the lib dems voters wanted to vote for me should be something to be proud of, something we should embrace as a party and something that, in the end, perhaps some of the things that isaid end, perhaps some of the things that i said that i no—deal brexit would be catastrophic or you cannot negotiate a new deal with europe, probably that proved to be truths that people were not quite ready to hear but i still think they are true soi hear but i still think they are true so i will keep saying them. hear but i still think they are true so i will keep saying themlj hear but i still think they are true so i will keep saying them. i was going to say your party and fellow mps do not want to hear that

message. no, i would mps do not want to hear that message. no, iwould conclude mps do not want to hear that message. no, i would conclude they we re message. no, i would conclude they were not ready to hear that message but the public wants to hear that message and there was a reason for that, it is simply true. anybody looking at europe, anybody reading the illegal text for the resolution know that no deal is coming by october and people that have suggested ours are misleading themselves, but everyone sees a gaping hole in the middle of british politics and we do not have to try to appease the nigel farage hard brexit side of our party orjeremy corbyn, there are a lot of people who want a sensible politic, a a lot of people who do not want to for the united states or europe down the path of the divisive politics, and we can save that, and i think you need to trust the british people. for you to critical of people like borisjohnson for you to critical of people like boris johnson that for you to critical of people like borisjohnson that people did not like that attack, that so—called blue on blue attacks? absolutely. one of the things that has been an issue through the party campaign is

that i have tried to say my issue with boris as his policy, i do not know what he actually believes about anything and i'm worried we will disappoint people and let them down. i think that was an important thing to say because i think by choosing a leader, we are choosing a prime minister, one that hopefully we would have for two or seven years so this is the time to ask these questions but i agree they are uncomfortable questions, people felt they were exposing divisions in a party there were not comfortable with and my conclusion to that is you do not unify a family party by pretending to agree when you disagree. you unify it through honesty and trust. talking about unity, someone like borisjohnson, who so far ahead with the support of mps and in the grass roots of the tory party, can he bring the party together giving you said you would not serve under him or maybe any of the other candidates?” not serve under him or maybe any of the other candidates? i wish him the best of luck in doing what he's doing but the way you will bring the

party together, bring the country together is the way that you bring anything together. looking at reality and the fact is they present themselves. a vision of a country of themselves. a vision of a country of the future, if he can do those things, we will unite the country. you started with a cabinetjob and you will end up not having one because you will not sever the others, is that true? it is true, i appear to have written my cabinet resignation but i'm proud of my department and i will return to work happily first thing tomorrow morning, back in the house of commons giving a statement on our work in syria and iraq against daesh and i'm so proud, i began to serve my country as a young soldier at 19 and i'm serving it now is a man of 47, almost 30 years and i have a lot more service still to go. do you know who you will support out of the other candidates? absolutely not,

i'm going back to my two—year—old and four—year—old and i'm going to play with them. clear disappointment from rory stewart but he did feel he brought something to his campaign by getting out and talking to people beyond westminster and the conservative party. thank you for that. i just want to pick up conservative party. thank you for that. ijust want to pick up on some of the point rory stewart was making them. disappointed obviously but almost sorrowful, mournful that he believes that a clear path at the conservative party could take to bring people in you to the centre ground has potentially been squandered. i think there is something in that. the conservative party effectively this evening i said to lib dems voters, labour voters, floating voters that we are not so concerned of how your views and your votes because rory was indeed the candidate that people like that were saying they could vote for, there was a criticism all the way through that he was a candidate the tories did not like what everyone else did but to wind elections you need to bring those people on board. it is a bit

disappointing i think that we have turned our back on that by excluding him from this but ultimately i think he did not succeed in quite framing the choice on the right way and maybe it was a little bit too brutal on the other candidates as he said. sure. the suggestion that he has already written his cabinet resignation. i think something will be done to try and get round that because although i have reservations about his policy platform, if you like, andl about his policy platform, if you like, and i do not agree that the best way to reach out beyond the conservative party is effectively to say that the conservative message is inherently wrong, that is what... did he say that? it was almost getting to that point i think. he was. . . getting to that point i think. he was... if he had approached yesterday's debate with the tone that we have just heard from him there, i think things might have been slightly different but he was so been slightly different but he was so personally critical i think of the other candidates that although

undoubtedly he has brought a fantastic sense of energy and a different approach to the whole thing that has been very valid, and he isa thing that has been very valid, and he is a superb communicator, it seems to me that he couldn't really expect the conservative party mps and conservative party members to elect as a leader somebody whose interpretation of conservatism puts it on puts it on a whim. is a classic conservative in that way, he is the pragmatic, realistic guy. he is the pragmatic, realistic guy. he is not ideological. the conservative party has never been an ideological party, it is our pragmatism. he has all the time been saying, we just have to be realistic. he has been good on the tax and expend side of things. we have lost his candidature in this race but the question he asked everyone time and time again remains come on brexit, which is the issue, there are now four candidates

left, all of which say they will renegotiate you withdraw agreement and he said, how will you do that? tell us. not one of them can do that. he did not have a solution either. that was the problem. you did not have that panacea in his locker either. that is the thing. good to have you both with us. thank you very much indeed forjoining us. you're watching bbc news. now, sports day. hello, i'm olly foster. this is sportsday on a big night for the home nations at the women's world cup. iamat i am at the park to prance where it isa i am at the park to prance where it is a must win match for scotland against argentina. and i am here in nice where england are taking on japan knowing a draw will be enough to see them top the