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now on bbc news, it's extra time with rob bonnett. extra time today comes from newmarket, on the east of england, otherwise known as the headquarters this is the briefing. i'm sally bundock. of written‘s flat racing industry, and that's because over 70 licensed our top stories: trainers are based here. and the four become two — conservative mps here in the uk will choose the final two candidates for prime minister. most eminent of them all isjohn then it's up to the party membership to decide. gosden, who has over 3000 winners to the leader of a cult his name and experience stretching in the united states who treated women as sex slaves is found guilty on all charges. back to the late 1970s in satellite pictures show himalayan glaciers melting at a rapidly accelerating rate, threatening california, where he trained horses long—term water supplies to a vast number of people. for amongst others the film stars elizabeth taylor and cary grant. he is also very much a man who lives in the present, as the racing industry grapples with its current issues. in business briefing, the billionaire's club gets bigger as slack becomes the latest tech start—up to join

the new york stock exchange. john gosden, welcome to extra time. simple question, i suppose they could be a half—hour answer to this, but let's see if we can do it slightly shorter than that, what makes a good trainer?” slightly shorter than that, what makes a good trainer? i think you have to have an appreciation of the horses around you and the people around you, and i think you have to be very sensitive to trying to blend all of them together, to make sure you are all going in the same direction together, and very much to that extent, it is a matter of feel. it isa that extent, it is a matter of feel. it is a matter of knowing when to go forward , it is a matter of knowing when to go forward, when to pause, went to go back, when to change an idea. and probably not being too rigid in what you want to do. i always remember

asking the same question to pat riley, who was the coast for the los angeles lakers, and he used to be at hollywood park for the races in the afternoon, and then we would go, the jockeys and i would meet and have a quick lights are imax up and go and watch the loss los angeles lakers play in the forum. this was an amazing team, magicjohnson, kareem abdul—jabbar, cooper, wonderful players, and they were the best anywhere. and you go and watch these sort of seven foot, six foot ten ballet dancers, virtually, this amazing athleticism. and i remember asking pat riley, it must be so easy. he said, john, try and get them to play as a team, because it's them to play as a team, because it's the hardest thing. sometimes they come in and they are bringing their private problems in, and then so—and—so is not talking to so—and—so. he said when you are on the road a lot, it is not easy. so the road a lot, it is not easy. so the one thing you learn is to give and take, feel the best way to go, and take, feel the best way to go, and then be clear where you are

going, and not be frightened of shifting your plans, you know. don't look like you are someone who second guesses yourself all the time. you are not making it up as you go along, though, surely. are not making it up as you go along, though, surelylj are not making it up as you go along, though, surely. i think are not making it up as you go along, though, surely. ithink you are very clear where you are trying to go and what you are trying to do, 0k? to go and what you are trying to do, ok? but you don't go necessarily hitting people over the head with it. you don't go forcing it. you've got... people have got to come with you. the same in politics. you have to persuade, if you like, by your actions, by your plans. it doesn't mean you are going to listen to everyone, but i think you need sounding boards when you train. so in the case of the writers that ride every horse every day, we tell them what they are doing, i am interested what they are doing, i am interested what they are doing, i am interested what they feel when they are out on that horse. they are writing it, not me. luckily for the horse, as i said. soi me. luckily for the horse, as i said. so i want to know whether the horse changes legs, did it shorten, didn't blow a little bit too much, didn't blow a little bit too much, did it seem not easy and not relaxed in itself? did it have a change in

behaviour? you know the horse is meant to be healthy and well, but anything like that you've got to pick up on. and i suppose when you training, you've got to watch the horse with your own eyes, and listen to the person. that's what i was coming to, really. so it's about feedback from your riders. they therefore have to be good communicators, but it's also about your own eyes. you've got about 180 horses here. 175. at clarehaven. how well can you actually get to know each individual horse? well, you get to know them very well, because luckily a lot of them have been bred by people i know, and i've known the families, so i need a mother, the brother, this sister, their uncle, the father, the grandfather. when i go that fourth or fifth pedigree down i have been around too long. but you get to know the families and you get to know their traits. and i think the important thing is that you have a feel for them what they might genetically be, anyhow. but it's like when you get young players coming intoa it's like when you get young players coming into a squad. you feel you know what you've got. we are off on another sport here now, on football,

are we? well, you can see that suddenly you thought where they had a certain strength, that the agent said, they bought it, or the stud manager send it to you, thought that would be its forte, you start the training and find it might not necessarily be their forte. and that is where you have to be flexible and not be too rigid or dogmatic in your approach. ifind not be too rigid or dogmatic in your approach. i find that works quite well. thing, of course, is that footballers can talk to their coach or their manager, but horses can't talk. so what do they tell you, and what do they need from you as a trainer? well, we've just what do they need from you as a trainer? well, we'vejust been what do they need from you as a trainer? well, we've just been out with some young horses on the hill, where they collect, and we had a bit offun, one where they collect, and we had a bit of fun, one kicked the rails off, and we had to collect it and put it back. horses are very expressive, like any creatures. anyone who works with animals knows they have emotions, just like us, and they show it. the first thing you see when they walk out in the morning is, if they are walking out loud looking and feeling good about their life, it's very different to the one that comes out with a head down and he is flat. you just know. you know

the temperature's normal, you know it's heating up, so you know there is something in the mood. and i promise you it is yourjob to feel that, and that is why i refer to the writer feeling it as well. but if someone comes out in writer feeling it as well. but if someone comes out in the morning and you give them a trot and they are just not happy about something, that is when you need to act —— rider. well, now, you mention california and all that started for you in the late 1970s, few would have been in your mid—to—late 20s. what's the story of your time in california, and what that taught you? well, you know, you go there as an immigrant, quite frankly, and people are incredibly welcoming. it was a wonderful time. it was — you know, ronnie reagan was president, he let the handbrake of the economy. well, if you're going to start dropping names, i'm going to remind you you we re names, i'm going to remind you you were a trainer to the stars, elizabeth grant, —— elizabeth taylor, cary grant, bette bacharach. she never really wanted to bother seeing them raised. cary grant wa nted seeing them raised. cary grant wanted them to race all the time, and the old hollywood crowd really

love their racing. what was their interest? was it financial, was it sporting, or a kind interest? was it financial, was it sporting, ora kind of interest? was it financial, was it sporting, or a kind of case of latching onto a fashionable pastime? no, ithink latching onto a fashionable pastime? no, i think it was very much a thing they liked to do. it was very elegantly done at the turf club, and it was a place to be seen, mickey rooney would run up and down, on the last of the daily doubles, screaming and shouting, which he would always tell everyone, but it was always that thing. i went to america because quite frankly you could start with nothing there. you get three little stables on the track, and you don't pay any rent, you train your horses on the track like eve ryo ne train your horses on the track like everyone else. very good prize money, and you just try and get going. and after a year and a half, two years, going. and after a year and a half, two yea rs, i going. and after a year and a half, two years, i walked into one very good horse. bates motel. yes. tell us good horse. bates motel. yes. tell us the story. well, he was a stallion, he was huge, he looked like brighton pier, big old floppy ears. no—one wanted him but said

would you take him? i had to had to fly to the carolinas and have a look at him. when i the owner wasn't anthony perkins or alfred hitchcock, was he? no, they were great fans, obviously, of hitchcock movies, hence bates motel. and strange to say, he got good, and he got good at three and became a champion older horse in america, and it's the break. i know a lot of good trainers didn't get the one horse to get the break, and once you get the break, you go from having six horses in your stables to 60 within a matter of months. and since then, of course, there have been winners all over the world, tracks all over the world, the whole range of horses. 0ver world, the whole range of horses. over 3000 winners in your career. i mean, again, you could talk for an hour about this, i'm sure, but give us hour about this, i'm sure, but give us two or three examples which out. well, i suppose the horses here that we've had recently like enable, she

has been a phenomenon. she has been a very brave filly, great minds on her. i think if you are lucky, and they come along like that, and she was bred by a man who has bred a lot of good horses, and then you can go to the sales, which i did for my wife and friends and an agent, we went and bought a horse for not a lot of money and he winds up winning the irish derby, so those are very fulfilling moments. but it's like anything else. you can have an awful lot of frustrating and disappointing ones. but, you know, rememberwhen you are working with animals, they are flesh, they are blood, they are not machines. and i always think in formula one they spend all that time and all those great engineers, and sometimes these cars don't even do the warmup lap before something goes wrong. so what is it like with horses? it's a lot more delicate. well, john, let's bring things up—to—date with current issues, and there's been something of a recent crisis, hasn't there, in american racing. 22 horse deaths by mid—march

at california's santa anita track in less tha n at california's santa anita track in less than three months, 600,000 signatures also on a petition calling for a ballot on whether the sport should even exist. and emergency rulings at the track about on the day administration of drugs, and also, of course, the use of the whip. this is beginning to feel they an existential crisis in californian racing. yes, i've been reading about it. obviously in the old days we didn't have those problems. i think you are dealing with a number of factors. one, they have had a very wet winter, and when they have a very wet winter, what they do with those dirt tracks, they seal them, they roll them, and they are very firm, and they open them for racing and it makes it very hard on the knees. —— underneath. the other thing we have to face is that they have been using medication in american racing now since really the late 1970s. and if you do that, you will actually weaken, genetically, the breed. this is a diuretic laced?

this would be anti—inflammatories and a diuretic, a human drug. and i think if you have been using that on your—on the horses for that period of time, and we're now talking close to 40 of time, and we're now talking close to a0 years it has been going on, you are going to the breed. certainly the old american racehorse was a lot tougher creature than the one that we have now. and you have used this in the past, haven't you? but now you obviously can't. when in america, yes, but here, in france, england, ireland, australia, hong kong, you are not allowed to use any of those forms of race day medications, and i'm absolutely clear in my mind that is right. let's bring things a little bit closer to home, and how do you judge the health of the british racing industry at the moment? because there are perceptions that it has problems, fatalities for example at the cheltenham festival, we have had equine flu recently, it was actually well—controlled, i think,

equine flu recently, it was actually well—controlled, ithink, in equine flu recently, it was actually well—controlled, i think, in venice. it lasted six days, the suspension of racing. more generally, in terms of racing. more generally, in terms of the economy of british racing, how do you judge it health? on the equine flu, i think if you test every horse everywhere, you are going to find some. i think people got a bit carried away with the result that, oh my goodness, they are vaccinated here against flu. unlike australia, when it it there. they are not vaccinated, and so that hit them a lot harder. we didn't have a problem with it, in the end. look, in terms of racing, in england and ireland, and france, you have the finest jumps racing and ireland, and france, you have the finestjumps racing anywhere in the finestjumps racing anywhere in the world. of course, in any form of athletic activity, there is a risk of injury. always has been. you only have to watch a rugby game, watch an athlete suddenly do a hamstring going around the track, just running. it happens anyway, i've seen running. it happens anyway, i've seen it with horses running just loose in the paddock. there is an inherent risk to that form of competition. you will never, ever get away from that completely. does

that mean you extinguish the whole breed and ban racing? i think not. in my game, which is flat racing, i think there is a problem to the extent that it is being completely held together by some very big owners at the top. 0wner breeders, whom i had 250 mayors, they are breeding a lot of horses to race, they are not young men anymore or young women “— they are not young men anymore or young women —— mares. and consequently i would be concerned that the next generation coming through would be able to breed and race at that level. so to that extent, i don't see enough depth in the market. i think we probably have too many fixing, too much racing. field sizes have shrunk because you are trying to make them go further. there is a bold crop but it will get smaller.

there is not a demand for horses at a lower level. it is a beautiful sport to watch and it does have a great following but we shouldn't ta ke great following but we shouldn't take it for granted and we have to make ourselves more relevant to the modern era and i think we also have to look at restructuring in many ways and i'm aware of areas that it could be done. i don't think we need to say we've always done it this way, should do it that way. we have to start again, be flexible and open—minded. to start again, be flexible and open-minded. but it is the sport of kings after all. there is a perception that at the highest level, where you ply your trade, but it is somehow a little bit elitist and not inclusive. i can see that. when royal ascot, for instance, it used to be tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday and introduced the saturday were a lot of people who'd been working the week could come and it was noticeable that a lot of families and young children come and suddenly it's become the most popular day and i'm very clear that

to have an elitist image is not necessarily a good thing. 0n the other hand, we are number one in england and ireland, we are number one in the world for reducing flat racing, turf racing grass horses in the world. in the old days, if you had a good horse, you'd win a classic, derby, they won those races they went to kentucky. now they stay in england and ireland. we have the finest deadlines of the world. hence the australian races and asian races, they like coming and buying the best broodmares we have for breeding and we must realise there are not many industries that we are not number one in and in the uk and ireland, we are number one in the world for the breezing —— breeding and racing of flat horses and jump sources. you have particular problems at claire haven with your riders in that some of them are overweight and some of them are

finding it difficult to get visas to come to this country. that is a particular issue. 0verweight. no, not at claire haven. there is a problem in the industry. we are quite lucky here. i think you just filmed 52 riders on horses and i was asked about it. i said, in this country, we are all getting bigger and bigger. you only have to go to and bigger. you only have to go to an old inn to see the doorways that hi. thoroughbred horses, not the jump hi. thoroughbred horses, not the jump sources, but two, three years old, they can't have a heavyweight, they are still so yes, we do look all around the world for riders. it's a highly skilled profession. we would have here obviously, it was a lwa ys would have here obviously, it was always english, irish, scottish, welsh. for years, that was the foundation but now french, italian, spanish. all great. in the eu,

czechoslovakia, german, polish. wonderful people. but also resilient, some of the finest riders in the world. i was in america, training in california, all the great riders came from central america and latin america. not so many americans. same problem, too many americans. same problem, too many hamburgers, too big. we will have people come from india and pakistan. all these foreigners want to prove what they are doing to get the visa. they have too but they are very skilled, they've been with us long enough and have leave to remain, paying taxes and everything else and they are very talented. it's a very interesting thing to me that the indian and pakistani, the hindu and muslim come here to work and they become the very best of runs. 0nce and they become the very best of runs. once they get away from the secular situation, it's quite interesting. we are a league of nations and there are many languages out there that i have one point to make, one that works for me. we are all here and we read the same hour.

as far as all here and we read the same hour. as faras i'm all here and we read the same hour. as far as i'm concerned, it's never bothered me where you come from. let's talk about monkey dettori, you have a good relationship, a chequered history with him, 17 races, what is the essence of his talent? —— frankie dettori. races, what is the essence of his talent? -- frankie dettori. you're trying to breed the perfidy —— perfect racehorse. his family, his father in racing and his mother was a trapeze artist in the circus. massively talented. he rides such a superb balance. he rides very light on the horse. he canjust superb balance. he rides very light on the horse. he can just poison himself on a horse and is so smooth that the horse hardly knows he is there. —— positioned himself. he is incredibly knowledgeable and passionate about it but i always say, is an italian diva. it's rather

like if you had him in the opera. he needs to be part of something, part ofa team. needs to be part of something, part of a team. they are very family, italian people like this and when he is part of this team, he would do anything. he is wonderful. he is now mature and everything else and he is just a delight to work with. does he a lwa ys just a delight to work with. does he always follow your instructions? no. the great thing is, he and i will analyse the race before and we will have a plan of how we think the race is going to unfold but if the one we thought would go and make the running, that's something happens in the affected draw, it's a complete link canvas and he can do whatever he wants and we won more races, discuss how you think it will be, discuss how you think it will be, discuss how you want to write it but be prepared, after 100 yards, it's a

different rider and race. you trust is spontaneity? totally, totally. any trainer or owner who tries to tire jockey down to instructions is making a terrible mistake. do not employ the brilliant rider with a lot of experience. it's a young rider, you have to be more forceful, give them confidence and i don't need to tell you whether you are a dentist layer, a golfer, it's confidence. —— you are a dennis blair. 0ne confidence. —— you are a dennis blair. one thing you must never do, jockey a mistake in a race, you do not say anything in front of people. you can discuss it quietly later that evening. so there is no hair drying? it doesn't work with the jockey. with a team, you can get after a team, if someone is not doing it right, with a jockey, once you get them second—guessing and doubting themselves, that is a

disaster. they will go should i be here, should i be there. a great jockey who came over who could ride with a clock in his head from australia and all the otherjockeys, barone, australia and all the otherjockeys, bar one, would do what scobie did. he was the only man who couldn't because he had the confidence and individuality and it's important if a jockey is riding lacking confidence, you can see it. it's the worst thing. it's fragile. humiliation, it's a disaster. is there a magic number beyond the 3000 winners that you've already achieved? $3000 should —— 3000 or so, i should say. the thing is, as long as you've got people who are kind enough to send you horses, they also say they have never seen a trainer retire thinks he has a good ya rd trainer retire thinks he has a good yard horse. the truth is, it's the

quality and the top races. that is what really excites you. to win a small race. it's terribly important for reading in the future but obviously it's the major events that excite one. all good trainers are pretty neurotic. you just learn to disguise it because you've got to have those antennae up checking things because as you say, the player is not saying anything to you but on the one hand, a player will keep to themselves, and that's a big problem expect of them. i'm fascinated looking at the manchester united scenario, what a change has occurred, when the players were not performing for one manager. i do not know why but obviously it was a com plete know why but obviously it was a complete ta kedown in know why but obviously it was a complete takedown in communication. those who do not know their football, that was jose mourinho those who do not know their football, that wasjose mourinho and now referring to solskjaer, who does not have as good a record. he's gone in there, the guy who played with a club, and is gone back to the

beginning, it's very hard to do but he's managed to do it and he's probably gone in there and rather than hammering them, saying the talent is there, we can do this, this is your one chance. and the other thing you know, the manager, we talked one time about messi, it was fascinating to hear the manager say we have a gameplan like a jockey but if it's not working, you've to leave it to the great players, with the experience because he will start going and you will find a weak spot. you've got to let them play, you've got to let them play and show their flairand their got to let them play and show their flair and their exuberance and their amazing talent but if you have them constrained or second guessing, or imposing too much, how can an athlete, equine jockey or anything, express themselves properly?” athlete, equine jockey or anything, express themselves properly? i saw ina express themselves properly? i saw in a conversation withjohn gosden that a conversation about racing can develop into a conversation about

any other sport. thank you very much. thank you. hello there. the recent warm, humid, thundery, weather across the south—east was just a little taster of what perhaps might be a bit more widespread across the uk as we head on into next week. more on that in the moment. this is the thundery front which brought those downpours to the far south—east recently, low pressure will be more the dominant feature as we had through thursday. and that will feed in some showers maybe to northern and western areas early on this morning. and also a cooler west or north—westerly wind. so it will be a fresher start to the day this morning, most noticeably across the south—east. at least largely dry with some sunshine.

and today, in fact, will be a day of sunny spells and scattered showers. these heaviest and most frequent across northern and western areas. it will be quite blustery as well across scotland, wind gusts in exposure, 30 or 35 miles an hour. the showers here could be heavy and thundery, same into northern ireland. further south we will see a few showers spreading across england and wales but there's also a good deal of sunshine around, but it will feel noticeably cooler and fresher. 19, maybe 20 degrees in the south—east, closer to 12—16 celsius across scotland and northern ireland. as we head on into friday, high pressure is building in from the south, that will settle things down, but we have low pressure still anchored to the north of the uk. so that will bring another fairly blustery day for scotland on friday, with scattered showers, again a few heavier ones. further south, a better chance of staying dry

although there could be a few showers around, close to that high—pressure, the winds will be lighter, so in the strong sunshine it will feel a bit warmer, 20 or 21 degrees, but still on the fresh side for the time of year in the north. high pressure though, builds in, moves across in towards the north sea, during saturday and that will bring us a run of fairly warm south, south—easterly winds. but we will have this area of low pressure nearby slowly encroaching in as the weekend wears on. for much of the country, it is going to be a fine saturday, a little bit of fairweather cloud bubbling up in the afternoon. we could see an isolated shower but most places will be dry and temperatures away from the east coast reaching below 20 celsius. high—pressure still dominating the scene, i think, on into sunday, this is the area of low pressure which will start to bring more cloud and perhaps a little bit of rain to western areas later in the day on sunday, but we will be importing some warm and humid air during sunday and into next week. so we could see 2a, 25 degrees in the south—east on sunday, and for parts of the country, a bit of uncertainty.

it could turn briefly very warm into next week, 00:28:03,504 --> 2147483051:50:46,467 but that could spark off widespread 2147483051:50:46,467 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 heavy, thundery showers.