hello it's, it's ten o'clock, a government minister has been

accused of assault after pushing a female activist out of the black—tie event. here is the moment that mark field grabbed the woman and pushed her against a column after she great —— gate—crash the event. he has apologised and referred himself for investigation. the labour spokeswoman on policing told us that was not good enough. as far as i am concerned, and as a former police officer myself, that was assault and it should be investigated by the police. if he is going to be under police. if he is going to be under police investigation, of course he should resign, and jeremy hunt, the foreign secretary and his boss, and running to be prime minister at the moment should be showing leadership on this and if he's not immediately faced with his resignation letter, he should be sacking him. his conservative colleague, peter bottomley mp, tells us that he feels his actions were justified. who knows what she had in her bag? it could have been annoyed, acid, could have been worse. —— a knife.

president donald trump approved military strikes against iran on thursday before changing his mind, according to the us media this morning. it comes after iran shot down a us spy drone yesterday. a move the president strongly criticised. we have it all documented. the drone was in international waters, we have it all recorded scientifically. they made a very bad mistake. the white house is yet to comment on the reports. and, the world health organization says that parents not vaccinating their children is one of the biggest health threats globally. in italy, the government's introduced policies to boost the numbers of kids being vaccinated, but in some parts of the country, it's backfiring.

hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. what do you think of that footage of minister mark field? assault, are an entirely justified minister mark field? assault, are an entirelyjustified response to the protester who gate—crash the event. we wa nt protester who gate—crash the event. we want to hear your views this morning and they are already coming in. on twitter, one man says he needs to resign as he clearly enjoys throwing his weight around to the point of common assault. paul on twitter, it's a roomful of politicians, nobody knew who she one —— was or her motives at the time. could have had a knife and it's easy to say in hindsight that she didn't. safety first from mark field. lilly on twitter says if a man behaves like this in public, what is he like when he's angry in private with a woman? mark feel acted instinctively to re m ove woman? mark feel acted instinctively to remove the woman for the safety of the room. these protesters barged into the room to cause chaos

and deserved to be removed. i note it was staged and filmed for effect. the protester should be prosecuted. let us know your thoughts on that and everything else. use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. greenpeace has accused the government minister mark field of assaulting one of its activists, who disrupted a speech by the chancellor last night. in footage from the event, the conservative mp is seen pushing a woman out of the venue. phillip hammond was speaking at mansion house in the city of london when a number of climate activists brought proceedings to a halt. in a statement to itv news, mr field said he deeply regretted grabbing the woman, but he reacted instinctively, worried she might be armed. the white house has declined to comment on us media reports that president trump approved military strikes against iran, before later deciding not to

launch them. the new york times, citing senior white house officials, said the operation against a handful of targets was already in its early stages when mr trump stood the military down. the reports come after iran shot down an unmanned us surveillance drone over the strait of hormuz on thursday. the governor of the bank of england, mark carney, has rejected borisjohnson‘s assertion that there would not be new tariffs on trade if the uk left the eu without a deal. mrjohnson said this week that a provision of world trade organisation rules known as gatt 2a would allow for current arrangements to persist while a deal was negotiated. mr carney told the bbc‘s radio 4 today programme that such an arrangement was possible only once an agreement had been reached in principle. it applies if you have an agreement. not if you have decided not to have an agreement or been unable to come to an agreement. so if we

don't have an agreement, we should be clear that not having an agreement with the european union means that there are tariffs. automatically? automatically, because the europeans are to apply the same rules to us as they apply to everyone else. the next phase of the contest to elect a new conservative leader has begun amid claims tactical voting prevented michael gove reaching the final two. borisjohnson‘s team has denied such tactics, but at least one backer suggested some mps may have switched votes to end mr gove's campaign. yesterday's vote put mrjohnson and jeremy hunt top in the race and they will now go head—to—head to become prime minister. a pioneering new treatment for blood cancer has been made available on the nhs for the first time. the "car—t" therapy works by genetically modifying a patient‘s white blood cells so that their immune system can fight the cancer.

doctors at king's college hospital, the first place to offer "car—t" therapy in england, say it can cure some terminally ill patients. the government has "failed" the north of england with a lack of investment — that's according to the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham. he's expressed concerns about the future of the northern powerhouse, warning it could be about to fizzle out. the former chancellor, george osborne, launched the project in 2014, but new analysis, seen by the bbc, suggests parts of the country aren't benefitting. and that is a summary of the main story so far today. back to you, joanna. thank you. the foreign office minister mark field has been accused of assault, after he pushed a greenpeace activist out of a black tie event last night. dozens of activists dressed in suits and red dresses with sashes saying "climate emergency" gate—crashed the chancellor philip hammond's annual mansion house speech to the city. here's what happened. you can see the activists in this video. they are walking towards

the building, upa video. they are walking towards the building, up a flight of stairs and into the room where mr hammond was speaking. the protester who mark feel confronted walks down one of the isles and stands behind guests at the event. at the same time, dozens at the event. at the same time, d oze ns of at the event. at the same time, dozens of other activists rush into the room and here you can see another woman wearing a red dress being asked to leave. there is a commotion at the entrance where the activists are shouting and try to usher them out of the room. there is now a scintilla of uncertainty. then we can see the other protester walking behind the seated guests and towards mark field where he jumps up from his seat and appears to grab her around the

neck. and he marches her around the neck. and he marches her out of the building. this is a peaceful protest. and we could hear him say, can you get this person out? and she responded it is a peaceful protest. mr field has apologised and in a statement he said he deeply regretted grabbing the woman and he reacted instinctively and was worried she might be armed. i've been speaking to hannah martin from greenpeace and also to the mp sir peter bottomley who is a colleague of mr field. i asked hannah martin how the woman who was handled by mr field who has not currently be named, is feeling this morning? she is pretty shaken up. what happened was unacceptable and we were there peacefully protesting and trying to make a point about the level of climate emergency we are in. no peaceful protest should be subjected to that level of sort of physical reaction.

especially when it is unwarranted, especially by sitting member of parliament. you have gate-crashed an event and he was sitting there, saw somebody trying to get past him and he reacted instinctively and should you be forgiven for ending —— instinctive reaction that you presumably do because you have a real fear of what happened it's important to see mark field has apologised. he sees what he does was wrong. and the woman in question was there because she cares deeply and passionately at something and and if we are not able to physically protest, what is this democracy? and we need to take progressive steps towards change often with

peaceful protest. sir peter bottomley, was it a proportionate response? yes, it was andl a proportionate response? yes, it was and i would have done the same. and if a personal protection officer for the chancellor of the exchequer had intervened and stopped her progress and stopped and taken her out, he had no more powers than i have or mark field has or any of the other diners. and who knows what she had in her bag, you could have been a knife, acid, could have been worse and when hannah says she had a right to be there, when somebody invaded the bbc studio in 19 eight, was it nicholas witchell who wrestled the person to the ground so sue lawley could broadcast question about the bbc should show that item. on a lesser note if you have the chancellor of the exchequer and the governor of the bank of england, why are people exploring their messages they talk about climate change by wandering into a dinner that they

weren't supposed to be out and disrupting it. they have harmed their own cause and set a very bad example. as for mark field, i say, i would have done the same and i would do the same again. people should not be able to rush up to the governor of the bank of england on the major occasion of the year. hannah martin, sir peter bottomley says it was proportionate and she did not know what she was carrying. she could have had a weapon. we said we were from greenpeace and it was a female lead process. and we had banners to say it was in a climate emergency, she poses no threat. and he wanted to get up and block her pathway. he

slams her against a pillar and pushes her out. he is not a police officer and not authorised to do it. and he's an elected representative and the behaviour was not proportionate and i think anybody seeing the video would agree. she has no more power than a member of the public. if you are a constant protest, you know the law. you have just missed described it. each of us has a responsibility to intervene andl has a responsibility to intervene and i will make it again. if someone had managed to intervene before joe cox got assaulted and killed, that would have been good. if someone had intervened for robert bradford who got murdered, when that liberal mp case worker was killed, that would have been good. they could have said lama have been good. they could have said i am a peaceful protest before they did something really bad. —— protester. i am quite shocked, really, to say peter bottomley saying he would have done the same thing. but specifically what he was saying about other incidents where

they have ended very badly, well known incidents, and he's saying if someone known incidents, and he's saying if someone had intervened them, that would have been good. we have to look at the facts of this case. we describe who we were, nobody else in the room responded with the same level of threat that mark field did. she was walking peacefully behind him, had no weapons and her hands we re him, had no weapons and her hands were clear and she had leaflets she was handing out. we have to look at the facts of this and not compare it to other incidents. do you not suspect he may have been afraid in the moment and he reacted like that? i can't speak to how mark field was feeling in that moment. we all have a responsibility to react to our feelings with proportionate behaviour. so whether or not he felt threatened he could have reacted in a different way, as many others did at the dinner. many other people blocked or prevented us from

delivering our speech that we were trying to do, without slamming us against polls and then taking us out by the neck. there is a proportionate reaction that is appropriate. the lady involved may decide to bring charges. he has referred himself under the ministerial code for parliamentary scrutiny on this. speaking to the labour policing minister, she said if police do investigate, he needs to resign or be sacked by his boss, jeremy hunt. what do you say to that? i'm not interested in what labour are saying. joe cox, the labour are saying. joe cox, the labourmp got labour are saying. joe cox, the labour mp got murdered by somebody out in the opener. i don't normally talk about about when my wife was health minister, a woman came up to her, apparently reasonable and then violently assaulted her. my wife had eggs thrown at her, they could have been rocks. we each have a duty to protect each other. if you want to get in front of a microphone, as hannah has now, because of this incident, you ought to apply

politely. i keep trying to get things on the news and occasionally i get accepted. if i came into the millbank building and try to get past for memos of security and grabbed a microphone, you would switch me. i think the woman in red was switched off. she could have beena danger was switched off. she could have been a danger —— switch me. even if she was not a danger, you should not allow people to disrupt major events. what if that happened for every cause? it wouldn't just be greenpeace and climate change. if the protest had not taken place, the chancellor governor of the bank of england what they said about climate change would have had more publicity. i hear everything you are saying about the background to it and your concerns about other incidents. in the end though if a woman, if police investigate, an assault allegation, should she —— can he remain a member of the government question what i'm not going to be involved in double subjunctive. a

straightforward question. if the police investigate, could he remain a member of the government question at the simple a nswer government question at the simple answer is i don't see what they have to investigate. if an allegation of assault —— assault is made against him. it is your right to ask questions and it is my right to try to answer. if it had been a police who had officer stopped and i don't acce pt who had officer stopped and i don't accept she was slammed against a pillar, most of us have seen the clip once or twice, and then he's taken herout, clip once or twice, and then he's taken her out, with the police officer had committed an offence question he would have been doing his duty. anybody would have a duty to prevent somebody running towards the chancellor of the exchequer, in a high—profile, public occasion where they haven't a clue who they are. the fact that they say i am peaceful, they are not necessarily, and even if they were peaceful, do we want to have the habit of disrupting public events? we don't. mark field's colleague, peter

bottomley and hannah martin greenpeace. selwyn on twitter says, don't be stupid, there's no need to apologise. the more footage you watch of this, the more you see it wasn't just mark watch of this, the more you see it wasn'tjust mark field removing women from the room. people should be wary of using the fact he is a conservative mp as an excuse to have a go. debbie on twitter, what if she had a knife? well done to him. and one anonymous text, mark field did a great job, one anonymous text, mark field did a greatjob, the woman was trespassing. do keep the comments coming in. there are claims this morning that tactical voting by tory mps helped eliminate michael gove from the contest to be leader. the foreign secretary, jeremy hunt, and his predecessor, boris johnson, made it through to the final two, and party members will vote to choose the winner over the next month. we can talk to ben in westminster. tell us more about why the allegations are being made of support being lent in order to get michael gove out of the way? the fa ct michael gove out of the way? the fact that there were just two votes between jeremy hunt and fact that there were just two votes betweenjeremy hunt and michael gove has fuelled speculation swirling

around westminster that that there could have been the shenanigans at play and boris johnson could have been the shenanigans at play and borisjohnson perhaps tried to fix the positioning of the second place candidate because it was widely felt that boris johnson's preference was to face jeremy widely felt that boris johnson's preference was to facejeremy hunt in the final ballot that begins now. the appealfor tory in the final ballot that begins now. the appeal for tory party members because jeremy hunt voted remain the appeal for tory party members becausejeremy hunt voted remain in the eu referendum is less pugnacious and less of a debater than michael gove and he is seen as the easy arrival. it had been suggested that to borisjohnson arrival. it had been suggested that to boris johnson supporters arrival. it had been suggested that to borisjohnson supporters that they lent their vote to jeremy to borisjohnson supporters that they lent their vote tojeremy hunt to ensure that he crossed the line ahead of michael gove. none of this can be proved because it is a private ballot and we have no other idea what other individual mps got up idea what other individual mps got up to. the borisjohnson campaign dismissed there was a coordinated effort going on but at least one borisjohnson effort going on but at least one boris johnson supporters said effort going on but at least one borisjohnson supporters said there might have been a degree of

freelancing going on, but the michael gove campaign are not making a big thing about it. they don't think it was anything coordinated and accept that in the end a large number of tory mps did not want the next phase of the contest to be a rerun of the 2016 psychodrama, the battle between the two leaders of the league campaign, borisjohnson michael gove and it is borisjohnson and jeremy hunt to begin a four week campaignfor and jeremy hunt to begin a four week campaign for the hearts of the tory party members and mrjohnson is the clear frontrunner at this stage. brexit is centre stage of the leadership contest. the governor of the bank of england, mark carney, was speaking about what would happen in the event of an od or brexit on trade tariffs. what has he been saying? —— ah van no deal. —— no deal. the candidates are expressed —— pressed to say what they will do and how they plan to get a new deal with the eu and three and a half months and what they would do with no deal. will they

it through despite parliamentary opposition? an interesting intervention from the governor of the bank of england and one of the claims that borisjohnson makes is that if there is no deal then the uk could negotiate or agree a kind of decade—long standstill agreement with the european union based on the eu's general agreement on tariff and trade known as gatt 2a and we will hear a lot about it in the next few weeks. in his interview, mark carney said the imposition of tariffs on goods leaving the uk heading for the eu would be automatic. this is what he said about gatt 24. it applies if you have an agreement, so if we don't have an agreement, we should be clear that not having an agreement with the european union means there are tariffs. that there are automatically, because the europeans have to apply the same rules to us as they apply to eve ryo ne rules to us as they apply to

everyone else. mark carney seeming to demolish one of the claims from borisjohnson to demolish one of the claims from boris johnson and many to demolish one of the claims from borisjohnson and many tory brexit that all will be fine and we can revert to gatt 2a and carry on as normal. that will be one of the big issues and boris johnson normal. that will be one of the big issues and borisjohnson in particular will be pressed on that as the campaign enters its second phase. he has avoided so little scrutiny so far and has not done many broadcast interview, only one radio interview and now there will bea radio interview and now there will be a chance to press borisjohnson and what he would do if he is prime minister ina and what he would do if he is prime minister in a month's time to the deadline. we can speak to one conservative mp who is backing boris johnson. thank you forjoining us. let's start with the issue of trade tariffs, because as we just heard, the governor of the bank of england says that when boris johnson the governor of the bank of england says that when borisjohnson said that the uk could secure a ten year standstill in current trading arrangements using what is known as

gatt 24 arrangements using what is known as gatt 2a and we will hear that a lot in the coming days, it's just wrong. it's not wrong. why? let me try and explain why it's not wrong. it's pa rt explain why it's not wrong. it's part of the contingency planning that the european union is conducting and we are conducting. they have already put on offer a standstill on the free movement of hauliers, one of the biggest issues across europe, if we reciprocate on the same applies for airlines, so the same applies for airlines, so the governor of the bank of england is saying that if europeans don't ee, is saying that if europeans don't agree, you cannot have gatt 2a but it is actually something they would wa nt it is actually something they would want because if they don't get to an agreement by the 31st of october and we have to leave, then there contingency planning is saying that there could be a standstill and also ten days ago as part of the contingency planning is part of the

republic of ireland border, they have a plan for and an electronic border. i don't want to get onto the border. i don't want to get onto the border before i resolve what you are saying about the trading terms. you said that there are specific areas, there is agreement relating to flights —— flights and haulage but what mark carney is talking about is trade tariffs and if there isn't an agreement on that then trade tariffs on goods would be automatic. there is not specifically agreement on that. his point is that if the eu don't agree, what borisjohnson is saying and if we don't have an agreement then there will be a standstill and that works for both sides and that is want the european union are signalling on things like haulage and it's not out of the question that they would a

degree. it's not out of the question, but there is no guarantee. of course there is no guarantee. of course there is no guarantee, it's a negotiation. it's been said previously by borisjohnson and others, who say that a no—deal brexit would be ok, that there is this ten year window, as if it is automatic. no one said it was automatic, it's a negotiation, but all i would say to your viewers is that the uk is a net importer of goods from the eu which means it would be in favour of eu producers to have an agreement of this kind in place and if there is not one, liam fox has already published —— published the tariff schedule, so the idea that we should not prepare the idea that we should not prepare the country to lever on the 31st of october with no deal, that is not what boris wants, he wants a good deal with the european union but the

best way to ensure a good deal is to prepare to walk away if they are being in some way intransigent and unfairand he wants being in some way intransigent and unfair and he wants a fair dealfor the uk and the eu. allegations being made around vote fixing and support being lent to jeremy made around vote fixing and support being lent tojeremy hunt supporters because boris johnson being lent tojeremy hunt supporters because borisjohnson and his supporters would prefer for the stand—off to be the final showdown with jeremy hunt, which stand—off to be the final showdown withjeremy hunt, which is what has happened, so what do you say to those allegations? i would say from the clip... it's an entertaining subject for the lobby and for hacks and the media. but if you listen to michael gove and his team, they are not entertaining this, and they are saying it was fair and square, congratulating jeremy and i will also congratulate michael gove on running a fantastic campaign on policy and keeping this focused on

policy and keeping this focused on policy in proper way. i think boris will bring the whole conservative party together, deliver brexit and defeatjeremy corbyn party together, deliver brexit and defeat jeremy corbyn and party together, deliver brexit and defeatjeremy corbyn and put nigel farage back in his box. what if the brexit plan doesn't work and the commons don't allow no brexit? what happens then? very good question. the institute for government has published a report to say it is nigh on impossible for parliament to prevent her and a disciplined cabinet to prevent them going to wt to terms at the end of october —— wto terms. that is not whereby response to be and he wants to go to the european union as prime minister to get a good dealfor britain and europe, afair to get a good dealfor britain and europe, a fair deal to get a good dealfor britain and europe, afairdealand to get a good dealfor britain and europe, a fair deal and a deal that works for both sides. if they don't offer that, he will make sure that we co m plete offer that, he will make sure that we complete the preparations. sorry

to interrupt but is he guaranteeing we will be out come what may, because he did not say that in the debate on the 31st of may —— 31st of october? he was commenting on the issue that michael gove was talking about maybe leaving later by december or beyond and it's eminently feasible to leave at the end of october and come what may, boris said he would leave by the end of october. just a quick thought from you on mark field and what happened last night with the greenpeace activists. what is your reaction to that? anyone who is trespassing, any mp will know that ona trespassing, any mp will know that on a friday when we do surgery, i have to have a police presence last friday because we had a couple of cases which looked like they may end badly but they didn't, and goodness. every mp has to take precautions. mark has apologised and said he acted instinctively and referred

himself to the cabinet for investigation. let's get this in perspective. those people were trespassing and had broken into mansion house where the chancellor and the bank of england governor we re and the bank of england governor were there giving speeches. ironically, they were talking about the country's commitment to net zero emissions by 2050, the only country in the world to lead the way to do this. but it is something i think is right that he referred himself to the cabinet secretary to investigate to make sure he has not broken the ministerial code. thank you very much. my pleasure. the us media is reporting that donald trump approved military strikes against iran yesterday before changing his mind. the strikes were reportedly planned for a handful of targets before the military stood down. the white house is yet to comment on the reports. yesterday iran shot down a us spy drone, like this one. tehran claims that the unmanned us aircraft

entered their airspace early on thursday morning. the us maintains it was shot down in international airspace and president trump strongly criticised the action. this drone was its international waters, we have it all documented, it is documented scientifically, not just words. they made a very bad mistake. our words. they made a very bad mistake. 0ur correspondence words. they made a very bad mistake. our correspondence joins us from the uae. is there any reaction yet do this? —— our correspondent. uae. is there any reaction yet do this? -- our correspondent. there has been reaction from iranians officials, as has been reported in the last hour or so by the reuters news agency who say they have spoken toa news agency who say they have spoken to a couple of iranians who said that the message was passed to them in the middle of the night via oman, another gulf country, saying that donald trump did not want war but he had started the process of those attacks that we were talking about there. i suppose offering some form

of de—escalation if there were to be talks, so it seemed to be a kind of olive branch held out by the white house to the iranians who say that their response was that he would have to talk to their supreme leader who would ultimately have to make the decision about that but we have had a quiet night, despite things coming to the brink of a serious potential escalation in the form of military strikes. ships were being readied according to the us media reports and planes were already in the sky, but things, so far, have been quiet. so i think everyone watching to see what happens over the next few hours, there is still the next few hours, there is still the possibility that the us may try to re—instigate some form of retaliatory attack against the iranians for that downing of a drone. that would be a very serious step. what we still don't know is exactly what the iranians are thinking and if the supreme leader will say something back to the americans. thank you, tom.

we can talk with an analyst from a washington—based think—tank. are you surprised at these developments? not quite, from the get go, we understood that donald trump wint didn't wanta understood that donald trump wint didn't want a war. what he has been wanting is a deal with iran and it almost seems at all costs in the way we have seen him quays escalate things with north korea. even if it means sabre—rattling. but this leads to an escalation and any wrong move could lead to a war. you see this as straight forward sabre—rattling. very reckless sabre—rattling. straight forward sabre—rattling. very reckless sabre-rattling. the senate democratic leader was warning yesterday that the us could bumble into warand is yesterday that the us could bumble into war and is this the sort of thing that could see that happening?

absolutely. we are lucky that thus far nobody has died. all it takes is one american soldier to be killed and that will just lead one american soldier to be killed and that willjust lead to some sort of strikes led by the us. but i think trump has looked at what happened with the iraq war and he is hesitant in making this happen and thatis hesitant in making this happen and that is why we saw him back step on what has been going on.“ that is why we saw him back step on what has been going on. if you take an action in order to sabre—rattle, and the other side doesn't respond in the way you want them to, that leaves you in a difficult position about your next step. what would you anticipate happening. that is the question, i think he was assuming the iranians would have backed off and he is not used to not getting his way as somebody who thinks he is the ultimate deal maker. he hopes the ultimate deal maker. he hopes the iranians would have come to the

table. here he is sending a message, hey, i want to talk. when you're, we are imposing sanctions that are causing economic warfare, by cutting iran from selling its a then saying, hey, let's talk. i want to talk to you. here is my number. i think it is counter intuitive for the iranians to respond positively. we have some footage from the iranian military showing what they say is the drone. the attack on the drone there. it is not clear that we were seeing there. that is footage released by the iranian military. what might happen with them put this footage out? if we are talking a b a situation where both there is a desire to see things de—escalated and this is put out, what do you

think iran is doing? they're sending a message to the us. they haven't denied they have taken out the drone. their argument is it was in iranian water and not international waters and that is the argument they have been putting forward and they say they are willing to go to the un and they have photos of wreckage. they're saying we won't back down if you're going to attack us. the this what is trump wasn't expected. he expected them to back down. now it isa expected them to back down. now it is a connumdrum and what needs to happen is that we need cooler heads to prevail and the international community to step in for these countries to talk before this gets out of hand and leads to a war that no side wants. thank you. the reluctance of parents to vaccinate their children is a big global health risk. and according to the world health organization, it's part of the reason that

diseases like measles are seeing a resurgence around the world. western europe is one of the most vaccine sceptic places in the world. the bbc‘s population correspondent stephanie hegarty has been to italy to find out how government policies there, which are intended to increase the number of children being vaccinated could be emboldening those who disagree with vaccines. how do you respond to people who say that you're the ones that are spreading the misinformation? it was a beautifuljob. went to have the vaccine. the number of people choosing not to vaccinate their children seems to be on the rise. it's one of the top ten global health risks this year according to the wto.

outbreaks of diseases are happening in countries where they haven't been seen in decades. but the debate over vaccines is riddled with misinformation and fake news. scientists say repeatedly that vaccines have never been safer. so why do so many people refuse to trust them? we're in italy because during elections last year vaccines became a huge campaign issue and the party that's in government right now campaigned on a pledge to get rid of mandatory vaccines and all of this was happening in the midst of one of the biggest measles outbreaks in europe. in 2017, italy passed a law that increased the number of mandatory vaccines for any child that wants to go to school from four to ten. parents that didn't comply would be fined and it came into force this year.

only 8% of people in italy are against vaccines but they are a vocal minority. despite overwhelming scientific evidence these parents don't believe that having multiple vaccines at the same time is safe. but when they bring their concerns to doctors they meet a wall. the current government campaigned against the mandatory vaccine law but they haven't managed to repeal it. and rimini, where these parents live, is enforcing it more stringently than any other local authority.

so they've turned to each other and the internet and phone content so they've turned to each other

and the internet and found content that reinforces their fears. this is a pattern that's repeating itself all over the world but especially in europe and the us. parents who have doubts about vaccines alienated by health authorities and looking to other sources for information, allowing them to plunge into a rabbit hole of misinformation. this room is filling up with people who have come here to see a man called andrew wakefield speak. he's the author of a study that was written 20 years ago and ever since it's been discredited several times. he claimed that there was a link between vaccines and autism and even though that claim has been debunked, he can still clearly fill a room. wakefield was struck off the medical register ten years ago. but he says that he's being censored and people like naseem langrudi who helped organize this event believe him. why do you think that the media the mainstream media is not telling your side of the story? what do you think is going on?

when you say piloted, piloted by who? conspiracy theories are fuel for this movement. the idea that the media and the government are being manipulated by pharmaceutical companies to sell parents a lie. people in there seem to be genuinely excited to see wakefield,

even though his theories about vaccines and autism have been disproved so many times that didn't seem to matter. it was like someone was listening to them, listening to their doubts for the first time and taking them seriously, and that seems to something that he's played into. it's notjust disgraced doctors playing on these fears. politicians are doing it too. members of la lega and the five star movement, who are currently in a coalition government in italy, campaigned against mandatory vaccinations. and it's notjust in italy. marine le pen and donald trump spoke out against vaccines during their campaigns. got very, very sick. now he's autistic. trump's since changed his mind. now they have to get their shots. it's a story that appeals to populist ideology, freedom of individual choice. and the idea of a conspiracy between the elites, government and big pharma. but the anti—vaccine groups don't

exactly entertain debate. where you in this group before? jenny was once in the thick of it. she chose not to vaccinate her children. but then she stumbled across a pro—vaccine doctor online who was able to listen to her and painstakingly answer her questions and doubts. where trust has broken down and arguments have become so polarized, it seems that facts can always be challenged by beliefs. it's been a month since the government announced a review of how the family courts protect children and parents in cases of domestic abuse

and other serious offences. it came after our exclusive investigation last month revealed that in the last five years at least four children have been killed by a parent with a history of domestic abuse who was granted access by the family courts. following our revelations, 123 mps — along with charities, lawyers and campaigners — called for an urgent, independent inquiry into the familyjustice system. instead, the government promised a three month review, led by the ministry ofjustice and a panel of experts. so how much has been achieved since the government made that promise? our reporter emma ailes has more. remind us more about what the review is about? this review will look at whether children and parents are being properly protected in cases of domestic abuse that come before the family courts. so to explain more, these are the courts that have the power to make decisions about children's lives. and they're a last resort for parents who separate and can't agree what should happen to their children.

but our investigation exposed troubling accou nts investigation exposed troubling a ccou nts of investigation exposed troubling accounts of courts ordering children to spend time alone with a parent with a known history of domestic abuse and in some cases that included parents with convictions for very serious offences. the government announced this review. what's happened so far? today is a month since the announcement so we went back to minute the ministry of justice. they say they have chosen 11 people. the panel will be led by ministry ofjustice officials. so that means it is independently led. the government will public the full

list of names later and we will put it on our twitter feed. what will the panel be looking at? how the courts handle the type of cases we looked at. whether the courts are holding fact—finding hearings, when there are allegations of domestic abuse, thejudge there are allegations of domestic abuse, the judge is there are allegations of domestic abuse, thejudge is supposed to hold abuse, thejudge is supposed to hold a fa ct abuse, thejudge is supposed to hold a fact finding investigation to find out what happened. but we have heard thatis out what happened. but we have heard that is not always happening. it will look at whether domestic abuser are using the system to retraumatise victims. that is something we have heard, that abusive ex—parters can use the system to perpetuate that abuse. so it is whether victims get the right protection. and there will bea the right protection. and there will be a public call for evidence. so people can share their experiences of family courts and their views on

how things could be improved and we are waiting to hear more about how that will be done. i have been talking to louise hague, the labour mp who called for an independent inquiry and jenny beck from the law society. i asked whether they were happy with the review and the choice of panel members. i'm disa i pointed. a lot of mps wrote to is effectry secretary of state and asked that it be independent and the voices of survivors be included. while all the people on the panel are experts on their field and i have full confidence in them as individuals, that not a balanced panel and doesn't include the voices of survivors. there is no way this review with get to the heart of the issue, unless has had somebody who

has been through the system and suffered abuse and had had to go through the system again and has that experience. the voices of women like the woman who was on your programme, should be at the heart of the review and it is deeply disappointed ha the government have not included them. do you think the review will be a waste of time? that is the fear, the fear they're doing a box—ticking exercise. it is great they feel pressured into taking action. that is largely because of the work that the victoria derbyshire programme have been done and the work of mps, but it sounds like it is merely going to play lip service. women's aid are a great charity, but they will be outbalanced by the other people on the panel. and it feels like tokenism. i'm wondering would you withdraw your support for the review, because from what you're saying, it sounds like if it goes ahead and it doesn't address the

issues that you're concerned about, it might be less productive than holding off and pushing for something that would do that? so, the minister who is chairing the review came to speak to me, we are meeting to discuss what it is going to be doing and what research will be underpinning it and crucially how survivors‘ voices will be part of it. if they have not someone on the panel and someone leading the review, then what they need is to make sure they‘re collect ing survivors‘ voices. make sure they‘re collect ing survivors' voices. do you shake the concerns? yes three months is not enough time for a meaningful review and it us worse to have a review thatis and it us worse to have a review that is not meaningful than to not have a review. there are issues about victims going through courts and their access to justice about victims going through courts and their access tojustice in about victims going through courts and their access to justice in the first place and being victimised through the court process and of the application of the rules to try and keep them safe

and children safe. all three thing needs proper exploration. what are your specific concerns about what is currently going on in the family court process that you want to see addressed? well, firstly, access to the court process itself is in tatters. the legal aid has been decimated for family law and will the of people can't get the support they need to be represented in court in the first place. that leaves them very vulnerable and their families very vulnerable. in addition, the corporates courts are clogged full of people who have i can thatten the —— taken the law into their hands and use the process to exercise more control over victims and that needs to stop. thirdly, the measures that are meant to be in place aren't be consistently applied across the country and there needs to be a full

investigation. but it is so cash—strapped there isn't time to put in proper diagnostic approach to risk within the system. do you believe that legal aid should come back forfamily believe that legal aid should come back for family cases? salutely. -- absolutely. parents should haven't to represent themselves in court. proper process isn‘t being followed and already fractious relationships are being made worse and ultimately it is unlikely that the best interests of the child will be found if neither parent or one parent is not being properly represented. it is outrageous that that access to justice at the most vulnerable points has been denied and legal aid across the board has been decimated. notjust in the last ten years, but over the last 20 or so years and it isa over the last 20 or so years and it is a real scandal. thank

you. ijust before we leave you. i wanted to ask you about mark field, the tory mp caught on camera hand handling a greenpeace protester, he has referred himself to a government, for a government investigation under the ministerial code, what is your view of what happened. the ministerial code, what is your view of what happenedlj the ministerial code, what is your view of what happened. i have seen a lot of of discussion on social media and ifa lot of of discussion on social media and if a police officer had used that force it would be justified. and if a police officer had used that force it would bejustified. i find it hard to believe there was not already security and it is not clear what physical threat he was posing. mark field is not a police officer. he isn‘t as far as i‘m aware trained to use force in that way and doesn‘t have powers of arrest like a police officer. so as far as arrest like a police officer. so as faras i‘m arrest like a police officer. so as far as i‘m concerned and as a former police officer myself, that was assault and should be investigated by the police.

any citizen can carry out a citizen‘s arrest so, there is that, but in terms of his position right now, do you think that action should be taken against him in the parliamentary sphere. citizens arrests for or indictable offences, it is not clear that was the case. however that is why it is important that the police investigate, because it was clearly assault, whether it was justified or not remains to be seen was justified or not remains to be seen and should be under investigation and if he is going to be under investigation, of course he should resign and jeremy hunt, who is the foreign secretary and his boss, and running to be prime minister, should be showing leadership and should if he is not immediately faced with his resignation letter, he should be sacking him. we asked to speak to a justice minister but no one

was available but they told us "would listen to victims‘ experiences of the system, and "make sure the family court isn‘t used to coerce or re traumatise those who‘ve been abused". later today we‘ll find out whether or not prison officers across the country are supporting union calls to take legal action against the government. it‘s all to do with what the prison officers‘ association says are "delays" by the ministry ofjustice in the roll out of pepper spray to deal with violence in prisons. meanwhile one prisoner is fighting any future roll—out by taking legal action against the government‘s plans. the case challenges whether or not the use of pepper spray breaches prisoners human rights. you may not know much about the debate around the use of pepper spray in prisons, so here it is in a nutshell. we can speak to the assistants general secretary of prison officers‘ association and a representative from the prison reform trused.

—— trused. the ministry ofjustice say we are rolling out and have invested money to help prison officers do theirjob safely. we have said the planned roll out will take place over 18 to 24 roll out will take place over 18 to 2a months, so why consider legal action? the reason we a taking action? the reason we a taking action as a trade union, is first we wa nt to action as a trade union, is first we want to ask our membership what they wa nt to want to ask our membership what they want to do. we are adamant this is a safety requirement for all front line prison staff, due to the current climate and violence in prisons. the ballot for legal industrial action is to test the strength of feeling, without the strong strength of feeling, without the strong pressure strength of feeling, without the strong pressure that this union has put on government, this would not have been rolled out. and we wouldn‘t be looking at a new

form of training. but the government said it is doing what you want? the government was promised to do what it was wanted, but due to the judicial review taken by the prisoner, everything was put on the back burner and there were long delay and it is only because of our pressure and the pressure of this ballot that the government has responded and now come out and said that they will roll this out over the next 18 to 2a months. that they will roll this out over the next 18 to 24 months. peter dawson, what is your view on the use of this spray? in is no question there has been an explosion of violence in last year and the members have bore the brunt of that. our anxiety is this will make it worse and not better. that comes from looking at the evidence the government produced when it piloted the use of the spray and looked at four prisons were it was not rolled out. what is clear about reducing violence in prisons

in the long—term, it relies on the relationship between staff and prisoners. the evidence from the pilot was that that confidence that, trust in staff from prisoners was undermined where the spray was rolled out and was growing in the prisons where it wasn't and was growing for good reason. the government is rolling out more prison staff and a personal officer scheme that requires staff and gives them time to spend more time with prisoners. respond to that, fears it might bea prisoners. respond to that, fears it might be a short—term fix and the figures that peter was referring to there did find violence continued to rise. the spray is not the golden bullet. it won‘t resort and reduce violence. what it will do is give staff another means of protecting themselves and also other prisoners. what we have not seen within the report and the review of

the spray is the level of violence that was actually put forward by either the prisoner or the member of staff during the use of the spray and what injuries were sustained. the answer to that from our feedback is there we re to that from our feedback is there were no injuries to prisoner other than a temporary irritant. when you lack at over the last five to six yea rs, lack at over the last five to six years, assaults on staff have increased 200%. assault prisoner on prisoner over 300% and today there will be an average of 100 assaults in our prisons. that is unacceptable and we need something to deter that. thank you both very much. a couple of comments to bring you that you have been sending in on mark field, mark said you you be happy for your daughter or sister to be handled in this way. that

conversation will continue on the bbc news channel. have a good day. goodbye. many of us have had some sunshine this morning. it has been a dry start across most areas. high pressure moving in from the south today and as we go into the weekend it will push towards scandinavia. saturday dry, but sunday will see this next system push in from the west. for the rest of today, apart from a few showers in the north of scotla nd from a few showers in the north of scotland and one or two in northern ireland, it is dry and cloudy. there will be lots of sunshine and maximum temperatures on the coll he

cool side in the north. tonight not a great deal of change. with clear skies it could turn chilly into the early pa rt skies it could turn chilly into the early part of saturday morning. through saturday more dry weather and sunshine and we start off fine and sunshine and we start off fine and dry on sunday. but it will warm up. as it warms up the humidity will increase and we will see some thundery rain spreading? . you‘re watching bbc newsroom live, it‘s 11am and these are the main stories this morning: foreign office minister mark field faces calls to resign,

for his treatment of an activist who disrupted a dinner in the city of london. she is pretty shaken up. i think that, you know, what happened was unacceptable and disproportionate. you know, we were there peacefully protesting. who knows what she had ina protesting. who knows what she had in a bag? it could have been a knife, acid, it could have been worse. iranians state tv broadcasts pictures of what it says is wreckage ofa us pictures of what it says is wreckage of a us drone it shot down as us media reports that president trump approved retaliatory strikes before changing his mind. the first patients benefit from a pioneering new treatment for blood cancer now available on the nhs. accusations that westminster has "failed" the north of england, as a new report criticises the lack of investment in the northern powerhouse. commemorations at scapa flow in orkney —