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this is bbc news. i'm ben brown. the headlines at nine: the neighbour of boris johnson and his partner defends calling the police and giving a recording to a newspaper after apparently hearing a row. mrjohnson continually refused to answer questions about the incident yesterday. tackling the tensions between iran and the us — a senior foreign office minister heads to tehran to appeal for calm. their last meeting failed to reach a deal but north korea's kim jong—un says he's received a personal letter from donald trump. russia's accused of ratcheting up international tensions by spreading fake news on facebook and twitter. unions raise concerns over unpaid trial shifts — where employers ask potential staff to work, before deciding whether or not to keep them on.
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the challenge of getting the kids to bed when it's light until midnight. we travel to shetland where the sun barely sets in midsummer. and our sunday morning edition of the papers is at 9.35, this morning's reviewers are david rudin, the political editor at the sun on sunday, and business commentatorjosie cox. hello, good morning. a neighbour of tory leadership hopeful borisjohnson and his partner have defended calling the police after overhearing a row at the couple's flat, and passing a recording of the incident to a newspaper. the story continues to dominate the front pages of the papers today.
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our political correspondent nick eardley is here with us. what more can you tell us about this? tom penn is the neighbour who called the police and passed a recording onto the guardian newspaper. he said his wife and he were concerned about some noises coming from the flight that boris johnson some noises coming from the flight that borisjohnson is shares with his girlfriend carrie symonds, that they knocked on the door three times, got no answer, that is when they decided to phone the police. also defending the decision to give that recording to the guardian newspaper, saying he thinks it is in the public interest. there have been in the newspapers this morning some questions raised about the motivations of mr penn and his partner to give that recording onto the newspaper, also some of boris johnson's allies tweeting yesterday to say, that is something going on here when you phone the police and then pass the recording onto the
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newspaper. he is absolutely adamant that he thinks he's done the right thing. borisjohnson, that he thinks he's done the right thing. boris johnson, as that he thinks he's done the right thing. borisjohnson, as you say, has yet to comment on this. he was asked about it repeatedly yesterday ata asked about it repeatedly yesterday at a conservative party sings in birmingham. ithink at a conservative party sings in birmingham. i think we can have a listen. —— conservative party hustings. you are not going to make any comment at all and what happened la st any comment at all and what happened last night. i think that it's pretty obvious from the foregoing. 0k. last night. i think that it's pretty obvious from the foregoing. ok. i... i have sat where you start, i understand the responsibilities. i did answer the first question. 0k, let's move on. that was part of a lengthy exchange. i think the feeling in team johnson is he does not talk about his private life, he hasn't so far and he is not going to now. i wouldn't be surprised if that continues.
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he is not going to now. i wouldn't be surprised if that continuesm there any sign at all of those having an impact on thejohnson campaign? very hard to say in any concrete terms. at the hustings, got a glimpse in the clip, there were some in the audience who quite clearly did not want the question to be answered. they are either supporters of boris johnson be answered. they are either supporters of borisjohnson or do not think the puzzle elements of his life should be part of this campaign. —— the personal elements. there is a hole in the mail on sunday suggesting amongst conservative voters this is cut the lead of boris johnson conservative voters this is cut the lead of borisjohnson in the race to be the new conservative leader. i suppose these questions will continue. many people in the political world want to know what goes on. but mrjohnson, so far anyway, has shown no answer. there are going to be 16 hustings, long way to go. a month in this leadership contest, there is hustings around the country where the two will be tested largely on
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policy more than issues like this. there's a lot to talk about, both men explaining that approaches to brexit, both of which have been criticised by opponents, both approaches some would say are undeliverable or completely fanciable. that's a long way to go on this, if you are struggling to keep up already, that is going to be a lot of testing to come. he will guide us through it all. i know. thank you very much indeed. let us discuss this a little bit more now. joining me now is the former conservative cabinet minister, sir malcom rifkind. thank you very much for being with us. thank you very much for being with us. good morning. what you make of this row, a storm in a teacup or important to know the character of somebody who wants to be this country's prime minister? the answer to both questions is yes. i think borisjohnson has to both questions is yes. i think boris johnson has made to both questions is yes. i think borisjohnson has made an error of judgment. if you are in the running to become our next prime minister and the police are called to your
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house, you cannot really expect to get away with no comment. it makes it look like you have something to hide. i don't think he should have spent a great deal of time talking about what happened, all he had to say, in the best of partnerships and in the best of managers, occasionally there are furious rows. i don't think there is a relationship in the country that has not had that. he could have said that and that would have been enough. but saying no comment implies it is none of your business, and it is the business of the public to know why the police have been called to his property. although some of his supporters are saying the neighbours who recorded this and then pass it onto a national the guardian, that wasn't a clever thing to do. maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. that is for them to explain. they say they knocked on the door three times. if you do hear what is that many right going on, you knock on the door and nobody answers, then you do begin to worry that something
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is up and that you need to be reported. one of his biographers who work with boris johnson reported. one of his biographers who work with borisjohnson quite a few yea rs work with borisjohnson quite a few years ago says this is typical of him. he has quite a short fuse, quite a temper on him. again, is that relevant? i suppose if you are the prime minister and ring trying to remake a surging —— trying to win next day she had to deal in brexit, with that have a perfect? —— renegotiate. it is a whole host of issues that have opened up the question whether he has the capability, commonly personality to handle thejob capability, commonly personality to handle the job of prime minster. i worked for two premises, john major and margaret thatcher, they do not have much in common if truth be told, but one thing they did have in common with the ability to actually absorb faster dance of information to work incredibly hard, supervising
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not just one to work incredibly hard, supervising notjust one government department but the whole spectrum of government, knowing what was going on, providing leadership, providing strategic direction and that is what i look for another prime minister. i think that is what the country looks for. boris might be a nonexecutive chairman with able people around him, some people suggest. the last thing we want in a prime minister wrote as a nonexecutive chairman. we wa nt clear wrote as a nonexecutive chairman. we want clear control and knowledge of what is going on in their own government and being able to speak to other prime ministers and heads of government on equal terms with them respecting what you have to say, whether or not they agree with you. do you think any of this row will make much difference in terms of the campaign, the battle for the leadership of the party? he is widely loved, not to say adored by many of the conservative party membership you are going to be voting, let's be honest, they know about his pretty colourful personal
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life, it has been well documented over the years? if it'sjust a colourful personal life, i do not think that is an issue. george had a personal life, but that did not affect him being a good prime minister. i don't know whether the stories will damage him over the next few weeks but i know the conservative party, the party members who are going to be making the decision, they are serious people, they are not frivolous, they like bowlers, they would like to be persuaded his the right person for prime minister —— they like borrowers. does he have the qualities required for the huge burden, the huge never ceasing burden, we capped a week, looking at the menu shy of policy, understand what you're doing, not just making it up as you go along, these are the qualities they will be looking to see, is that what he is oi’ looking to see, is that what he is or does he have the capability of
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developing into a first—class prime minister? i think thejury developing into a first—class prime minister? i think the jury out. what aboutjeremy hunt. his style on this campaign trail, he takes his jacket off, looks like he is serious about being this country's next prime minster. i do not think that will make much difference whether he has jacket on or not, i think what is releva nt jacket on or not, i think what is relevant he has been a cabinet minister for seven relevant he has been a cabinet ministerfor seven years relevant he has been a cabinet minister for seven years into crucial departments, health and the foreign office. no one has thought it necessary to question his capability of running great departments of state. he has shown over six, seven departments of state. he has shown over six, seven years departments of state. he has shown over six, seven years that he can do that. i am over six, seven years that he can do that. iam more over six, seven years that he can do that. i am more interested in that and whether he has a colourful personal life or not. the party membership may not like that he voted remain in the referendum. half the country voted remain. i think thatis the country voted remain. i think that is pretty foolish. a large number of people, including myself,
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voted remain but have accepted that brexit is the decision and that is what we need to see implement it. i think it has to be pretty petty to go into details. boris only made up his mind at the last moment. he had to list of pros and cons and he eventually decided the arguments for leaving were stronger than the ones for staying in. it is not a lifetime commitment to the issue that he now puts his position. finally, do you think this race could be closer than some people have been anticipating? i think it was always artificially widen the sentencing boris has vast support. when there were 12 candidates standing, people only boris, many of the other candidates we re boris, many of the other candidates were hardly known except by name. while we're seeing now is two think of change. it down to two, jeremy hunt will have the same exposure as borisjohnson, people will be able to compare the two, but also it is no longerjust to compare the two, but also it is no longer just an to compare the two, but also it is no longerjust an opinion poll. in the last few weeks, the last couple
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of months, it has been an opinion poll. now it is actually taking a decision, notjust on brexit. brexit is the most important issue, but who is the most important issue, but who is going to be able to handle the incredibly difficultjob of being prime minister over the next three yea rs prime minister over the next three years and get the... the government, the conservative party, in the meantime have lost its reputation for competence and being able to deliver the goods, notjust on brexit but in a whole range of issues, very bad state. you need a prime minister who cannot just issues, very bad state. you need a prime minister who cannotjust cheer people up, you need a prime minister so who can provide leadership, like margaret thatcher did. like other premises have done in the past. that is thejudgment premises have done in the past. that is the judgment that the party members will be asking themselves. not who do we like, who seems cheerful, here we are a new spy, but who is the prime minister we could be comfortable representing this country by the time and abroad in the most competent way? very good
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talking to you. thank you for being with us this morning. the foreign office minister, andrew murrison, is visiting the iranian capital tehran for talks aimed at easing tensions between iran and america. president trump says the united states is pressing ahead with additional sanctions on iran, to stop it from developing a nuclear weapon. tehran recently said it intended to breach an agreed limit on its stockpile of enriched uranium. tom bateman is in fujairah. this is a situation where we have seen this is a situation where we have seen real tension, president trump as we know there close to ordering military strikes on around the other day. yes, that was thursday when just across the water, a us drone was shot down by the iranians in those disputed circumstances because the american said it was an international airspace. the iranians said it was in their airspace above
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their territorial waters. since then, we have lynn that president trump within them moments of authorising a retaliatory strike but stood it down at the last minute because he feared 150 iranians could die. he did not think that would be proportionate. this remains a volatile atmosphere here in the gulf and in the context of all that, the 2015 nuclear deal with the iranians, the americans pulled out of, that was last year. ever since then, the crippling sanctions that have put the reigning economy into freefall, so we the reigning economy into freefall, so we have this british ministerial visit to tehran today. i think on the agenda, they are going to call for the escalation, the brits, the capping of what they see as around's aggressive regional behaviour, i think the iranians themselves will be pushing the british and the europeans to honour a commitment that they gave to create a mechanism
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for european companies to be able to trade with the iranians and alleviate some of the punishing effects of those sanctions imposed by the united states. i think the temperature remains pretty high here and we had last night donald trump saying that on the one hand, he felt that if the iranians would complain with his version, not that of the nuclear deal, but comply with his version of nuclear weapons, he said they could be best friends, let's make a they could be best friends, let's makea run they could be best friends, let's make a run great again. —— around great again. but on the other hand, he said if not, it could be a better relation. thank you very much. -- it could be obliterated in. the headlines on bbc news: the neighbour of boris johnson and his partner defends calling the police and giving a recording to a newspaper after apparently hearing a row — mrjohnson refused to answer
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questions about the incident yesterday. tackling the tensions between iran and the us — a senior foreign office minister heads to tehran to appeal for calm. north korea's kim jong—un says he's received a personal letter from donald trump, which he describes as "excellent". the north korean leader kimjong—un has received a personal letter from us president donald trump according to state media. mr kim praised the letter as "excellent" and said he would "seriously contemplate the interesting content". earlier our correspondent laura bicker gave me this update from seoul. kim jong—un was pictured on the front of the north korean state newspaper, reading the letter from donald trump and he said he would contemplate the interesting content of that letter. could it be, for instance, that donald trump has come up with another proposal? certainly the timing is interesting, donald trump is due to visit asia later this week, firstly at the g20 in osaka and then he's coming here to seoul to meet with president moonjae—in for talks about the korean peninsula situation.
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it's no secret, the talks between the united states and north have stalled since that summit in hanoi where both sides failed to reach a deal. there have been very few talks between the two sides, but there have been letters between the two leaders. i think the interesting thing for us here is can these lovely letters, a beautiful letter, as donald trump declared, from kim jong—un, and now an extraordinary letter to kim jong—un from donald trump, can those letters be turned into actual meetings, and can those meetings be turned into a deal? laura bicker reporting. president trump has announced a delay of two weeks in his programme to deport 2000 migrant families. mr trump tweeted that the delay was at the request of democratic party leaders. he said he hoped they could work out a solution on immigration reform, but if not, then the deportations would start. raids by the immigration authorities had been due to begin
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on sunday morning in cities with large immigrant communities. researchers say they've uncovered a large—scale campaign to plant fake content on twitter and facebook. the atlantic council, a us think tank, says the material originates in russia. gareth barlow reports. britain spying on america. anti—immigrant sentiment in germany. the involvement of irish paramilitaries in the death of a former russian spy. serious stories, all of them fake. the campaign on 30 online platforms was designed to stoke international tension. researchers from the atlantic council say it originated in russia. most of the posts failed to gain traction, but with russia repeatedly accused of trying to destabilise democracies, the latest revelations will surely cause further alarm. moscow has repeatedly denied using the internet to spread fake news and also alter public opinion.
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but politicians in europe and also in the united states say the kremlin is guilty of trying to influence elections. in 2017, fake news was made word of the year. it's a phrase that has become synonymous with elections, the internet and also with russia. the latest campaign used scores of accounts in multiple languages and although its impact was limited, it once again highlights the challenge facing social media providers and governments to separate news that is real from news that is not. gareth barlow, bbc news. union members have raised concerns over unpaid trial shifts where employers ask potential staff to work, before deciding whether or not to keep them on. unite claims a loophole in the law allows some employers to use inexperienced people as free labour. sangita myska reports. like thousands of teenagers this summer, 16—year—old mia had
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been looking for a part—time job. when a local cafe responded to her cv with the offer of a trial shift, she was elated. she says she spent seven hours waitressing on a busy saturday but was not offered any work or paid the minimum wage. i don't think it's fair at all, that we would not get paid. just because we are young, i think we should still be treated like adults, and the fact we are young doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to get the job or anything like that. it is interesting that so many other people have posted a similar experience to you. when her dad, shaun, posted mia's experience on social media, he says dozens of parents wrote back saying their kids had experienced the same thing. what does the law say? according to the government it is illegal to employ anyone on an unpaid work trial for what it calls an excessive period of time or if there is nojob on offer. but trying to prove exactly what an excessive period of time is, or whether there was ever
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a job in the offing, is difficult to prove, especially if you are young and inexperienced. guidelines that they put out kind of give a bit of a loophole to the employer to they can say that this is a genuine trial and we need to assess if the person is right for the job. but that just creates a situation where employers can take advantage. having someone there for five hours or an entire day is not a trial shift, that is working time and people should be paid for that. after the bbc contacted the cafe where mia had had her trial shift, she received a text message saying that she had not got the job as a waitress, and that her travel expenses would now be reimbursed. team sport players have as much endurance as long—distance runners the news that we learned this week m, the news that we learned this week in, police had been called to the
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home of boris johnson's in, police had been called to the home of borisjohnson's girlfriend after a neighbour reported hearing a disturbance there. iain dale was at the hustings yesterday, the first hustings in birmingham, he was the moderator of that debate between borisjohnson moderator of that debate between boris johnson and jeremy hunt moderator of that debate between borisjohnson and jeremy hunt and i am pleased to say he joins us now. thank you for being with us. you asked borisjohnson several times about this disturbance, at his girlfriend's flat, and the fact the police were called. some people will say when you write to ask him about that, this is his private life, what would you say to that?” that, this is his private life, what would you say to that? i think when you are running for the office of by mistake, not just the you are running for the office of by mistake, notjust the leader of you are running for the office of by mistake, not just the leader of the conservative party, you do not have a private life. i think everybody has a right to know if the police are called to an incident. if i had not asked the question, i can imagine yourfirst not asked the question, i can imagine your first question to me today with a bang, call yourself a journalist? yes, you are right on that one. there was booing and jeering at you when you asked that question from some of the tory party
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faithful. it wasn't when i asked the first question, it was when i asked for the fourth time. i thought that might have happened, i had to push on. if a politician doesn't answer the question the first time, you don'tjust think to the question the first time, you don't just think to yourself the question the first time, you don'tjust think to yourself i will let that go, you want to get the answer. i was intending, let that go, you want to get the answer. iwas intending, i had let that go, you want to get the answer. i was intending, i had 15 extra interview both candidates, and i was intending to maybe spend two minutes on that with borisjohnson. in the end, i spent over five minutes and the audience clearly was getting frustrated that i kept assisting with the question but that was my role, that was myjob. i would have a lot of other people in the audience who did not boo, he wa nted the audience who did not boo, he wanted to hit the answer to that question. —— who wanted to hear the a nswer to question. —— who wanted to hear the answer to that question. it only happened once, i found answer to that question. it only happened once, ifound it quite amusing. ido happened once, ifound it quite amusing. i do not think it is a good read for anyone from a political party to blue genus for asking legitimate questions. i have
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criticised labour members when they do that to jeremy criticised labour members when they do that tojeremy corbyn. i am not going to defend booing in that way, it was a hustings, hustings sometimes get preposterous. to be fair, he defended you, he said do not be the great man, which must have boosted your ego a little bit. i don't think it needs any bee sting! people are in title to ask me about my character, but he did not seem about my character, but he did not seem to answer about my character, but he did not seem to answer any about my character, but he did not seem to answer any questions. i have tried to give my answer exhaustively, he said, but the fight you had to ask him for five times, you had to ask him for five times, you do not feel he had. in the end, isaid, let you do not feel he had. in the end, i said, let us get this clay, you are not going to answer the question, are you? and he said what you just said. whether they were watching the live stream, whether they're watching on bbc, they will draw their own conclusions. i wasn't trying to lead anyone to draw a conclusion, i did what i wanted, to
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get borisjohnson to answer the question. you are channelling some of these other hustings, that is a few of them, 16 in all. is it a good process because some people are kind of worried about the fact this is just a very small section of society, 100 thousand or so tory members who are choosing our next premise. i am hosting ten of the 16 hustings. i think the challenge there will be to keep it fresh. yesterday in birmingham, we did not cover every single issue so we have got you covered them over the course of the different hustings. this is a good way for the conservative party members to work out what the two candidates' strengths and weaknesses are. i think we saw a little bit of that yesterday with both candidates, questions that borisjohnson a nswered questions that borisjohnson answered very well, and there were questions thatjeremy hunt answered
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very well, he was a bit woolly on one or two. i think over the course of the 16, they will be able to make a better informed decision. people will say they should be doing much more tv, much more radio. i think there will be quite a lot of that over the next few weeks, but obviously they are not going to accept everything that comes their way. look, when you are electing or appointing in this case a prime minister, you say it is a small membership, whether it is the conservative party of the labour party, they have their leadership election pools and all of this stuff, it is a very small party, of course it is, that is the way our system works. i do not know what people expect to happen here, whether you should automatically have a general election every time a change of party leader. that would runa change of party leader. that would run a coach and horses through the way we have done things, but maybe people want to do that. all very well you are interviewing them
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several times, wouldn't it be better for them to be debating each other, arguing it out in front of the tory party membership, the voters, and the wider country charisma that is exactly what happened in 2005 when i was doing that leadership election with david cameron and david davis. they went head—to—head on all these types of hustings. it enabled them to develop quite an interesting relationship. what happened sometimes is david cameron would tell, or david davies would tell a really good show, the next hustings, david cameron will go first and com pletely david cameron will go first and completely neck the same joke. —— nick the same joke. i would have them on both on the stage as well, but the committee decided on this wall, so that was a bad decision. i suspect it was done because of michael gove had got into the final two, we all know there would have been a complete media psychodrama,
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looking back to what happened in 2016. i think they did not want the action. quite a difference of style, not just the content between the two candidates, jeremy hunt, he takes his jacket off, the shirt sleeves are rolled up. he has got a challenge in this race, he emits himself is the —— he admits himself that he is the underdog. he did not have a prepared speech, i expect he prepared what he wanted to say, he stood in front of the audience in a david cameron way and spoke to them, whereas boris johnson david cameron way and spoke to them, whereas borisjohnson had a script, it was a contrast in styles. it was the same when they were both answering questions. there was a big contrast. you do not want them to be
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the same, do you, otherwise it would be more difficult to make a decision between them? i think it was the first time, the first of the hustings at the 16, judging by the people that were talking to be on the train back to london, they thought it worked, they enjoyed it, a couple of them were undecided before going to the hustings that they had made up their mind afterwards, and that is what they are for, in a way. thank you very much for being with us. thank you very much for being with us. good luck for the other hustings he will be chairing in the next few weeks. thank you. in shetland they call this time of year "the simmer dim", because the sun dips just below the horizon for only a few hours at night. imagine what it's like trying to get the kids to bed when it's light until midnight. weather presenter matt taylor has been to meet one family in lerwick to find out more about living in a place where the sun barely sets.
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this family loves the summer. living in shetland, the most northerly inhabited place in the uk, winter can get pretty dark, with less than six hours of daylight. so at this time of year, when they have more than 19 hours of daylight to play with, they want to make the most of it. living in shetland in the summertime is fantastic. it is a fantastic place to live and bring up children. all the visiting sea birds come out, the flowers are out, it isjust a magical time here. you sometimes lose track of time. when it is a nice night you really have to make the most of it and just get out whenever the weather allows, and store up some vitamin b. do you like going to the beach? i want my shovel! you want your shovel?

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