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the headlines: boris johnson, the man who is expected to become britain's next prime minister, has told the bbc he is confident he can broker 3 new agreement with the european union. this, he said, would avoid a hard border on the island of ireland and crippling tariffs on trade. the white house has placed new sanctions on iran, targeting for the first time its supreme leader, ayatollah ali khamenei. president trump said he was ultimately responsible for teheran‘s hostile conduct. relations between the two countries have been soured by iran's shooting down of a us drone. a pilot has been killed in a mid—air collision involving two german air force eurofighter jets in north—east germany. while both pilots managed to eject from the planes, only one of them survived.
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it has been 15 years since former oasis frontman liam gallagher stepped out onto the famous pyramid stage at glastonbury, but on saturday, he will be back. with his second solo album on the way, he took a break from rehearsals to speak to colin paterson about politics, and that famous feud with his brother noel. you've got a busy time at the moment. yeah. shockwave, the single. yeah, yeah. sounds like you're quite angry. # you sold me right up the river. # you had to hold me back... i'm sure a lot of people willjust, you know, be lazy and go, oh, it's about your brother. but there's a lot of snide people out there, notjust him, you know what i mean? that's up to you to find out, isn't it? # it's coming around like a shockwave. a lot of protests going on. yeah. what would you protest in life?
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i would have a word with that mayor. he seems to not be doing a good job, and all those kids are getting knifed. the only thing that ever comes out of his mouth is, london is open. what, open for knife crime, and dying and stuff? worry about people's lives. a 16—year—old kid being knifed to death — and i have kids that age, out and about, living, being young and all that. so that freaks me right out. it has been one of the strange things recently. suddenly all of these politicians are coming out and saying that they've been taking drugs in the past. yeah, yeah, yeah — shame on them. i'm just wondering, have you ever seen a politician take drugs? no, no, no. i don't hang out with politicians. if i did see a politician taking drugs, he would get cracked round the head, like that. what are you doing, you doughnut? you know what i mean? you wouldn't approve? no, they should be running the country. # maybe i don't really want to know... it is ten years since oasis split up. yeah. can you believe that?
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not really, no. it hasn't split up in my mind, you know what i mean, when i think about it. i still do oasis songs, and that, because i sang them, and ifeel like they're a big part of me, you know what i mean? just because, you know — there's a lot of other people going, i can't believe you're still doing noel‘s songs. they're not noel‘s songs. they were written for the band called oasis. what is strange to me is that you obviously want the band back together, even despite this. i don't want the band to get back together. there was no big deal. he's making out like i've stabbed his cat or slapped one of his kids, or dare i say it, tried it on with his missus. we had an argument. thank you very much, that was great. you're welcome. liam gallagher, speaking to colin paterson, and there will be live coverage of glastonbury on the bbc throughout the festival weekend. now on bbc news, in a change to our scheduled programme, we bring you the full, exclusive interview with boris johnson, by our political editor laura kuenssberg.
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borisjohnson, what would you do on day one in number ten to make sure we leave the eu at halloween? i would make sure that we have a plan that will convince our european friends and partners that we are absolutely serious about coming out. and the key things that you've got to do are to take the bits of the current withdrawal agreement, which is dead, take the bits that are serviceable and get them done. and that is, number one, the stuff about european union citizens, the 3.2 million. they have to be protected. i wanted that done the day after the referendum, you may remember. i said their rights should be enshrined in an unconditional way in uk law, number one. number two, there's other things that you should do to make progress with the bits of the withdrawal
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agreement that we have. i think the money is more difficult. i think the £39 billion is at the upper end of the eu's expectations, but there is. it's a considerable sum. i think there should be a bit of creative ambiguity about when and how that gets paid over. the important thing is that there should be an agreement that the solution of the border questions, the irish border, the northern irish border questions, and all the facilitations we need to produce to get that done, all those issues need to be tackled on the other side of 31 october, during what's called the implementation period. but the implementation period as it stands is part of the withdrawal agreement, and you said you wouldn't sign up to the withdrawal agreement, and it's dead. so those two things can't both be true. no, because you're going to need some kind of agreement, and that's certainly what i'm aiming for, in order, as you rightly say, laura, to get an implementation period.
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and i think, actually, that there are — politics has changed so much since 29 march. and i think, on both sides of the channel, there's a really different understanding of what is needed. and on our side of the channel, we've got mps in both the major parties who recognise their parties face real danger of extinction at the polls, and labour went backwards at the recent council elections, unless we get exit over the line. so i think there will be a real willingness to move this thing forward. on the other side of the channel, obviously, where decisions will be made, where we need obviously for both sides to come together, they've now got 29 brexit meps in strasbourg, they have the £39 billion that they're keen to get, and frankly, they also want brexit to be done and get over the line. they want it done in the eu, but they do not want it done at any cost. and time again, whether it is jean—claude juncker,
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president macron, any eu leader, they have been crystal clear there is no kind of without the backstop and insurance for northern ireland. so what evidence do you have you can get that through? no—one wants a hard border in northern ireland, and indeed, nobody believes that it will be necessary, and so what we need is to hold that thought. it is what people want, but it is very different to what people may get, borisjohnson. and make sure we reach the solutions that are achievable, as both sides have said, as the commission has said, the facilitations that can be reached, make sure that we deal with the solutions to the irish border question, and indeed all other border questions, because the irish border question in microcosm stands for all the other
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facilitations that we'll need around the eu. but how do you do that? because you're right, everyone wants a solution to this. but, if you want to be prime minister, you have to tell people how. you can'tjust wish it to be true. let me tell you, there are abundant technical fixes that can be introduced to make sure that you don't have to have checks at the border. that's the crucial thing. and everybody accepts that. there are ways you can check for rules of origin. you can raise the check for compliance. but they don't exist yet. well, they do, actually. in very large measure, they do. you have trusted trader schemes, you have all sorts of schemes you can put into place. but one single question, the irish border solution, there is no solution ready, right now. you're right, laura, there is no single magic bullet. but what there is is a wealth of experience, a wealth of solutions, and what's changed now is that there is a real positive energy about getting it done. where's your evidence for that?
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on both sides of the channel there is an understanding we have to come out. but parliament has voted three times against the backstop arrangements, as you rightly described, and presenting the uk and any uk government with this appalling choice of either being run by the eu whilst being outside the eu, which is plainly unacceptable, or else giving up control of the government in northern ireland... well, you clearly want this to happen. and there is a way forward which i think actually, to be fair, all the candidates at the conservative party leadership contest broadly endorsed, which was to change the backstop, get rid of the backstop, in order to allow us to come out without this withdrawal agreement. and, as far as i understand the matter, that is also the position of my remaining opponents. but, borisjohnson, everybody wants this to be sorted. of course they do,
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not least the public. but what you're basically saying is we'll cross our fingers, because i think the situation is different, so we could get a deal done. you're not giving us anything concrete that actually suggests it's possible. no, that's not true at all, actually, laura. if there was a... well, where is your evidence? there was a very good reportjust today by many others looking at the modalities of how to do this. this is something that has been worked on extensively for the last four years. there are plenty of checks that you can do away from the border, if you have to do them, without any kind of hard infrastructure at the border. but you know it requires — but do you accept your plan would require agreement from the european union, political goodwill, and why do you think they would do that, if the uk had just walked away which has taken them three years to put together? several reasons. first of all — don't forget, first of all, they've got the brexit meps.
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they want us out, they have the incentive of the money. they also — you also have to understand, laura, that what has changed and what will be so different is that the intellectual capital that had been invested in the whole backstop had really come from the uk side. we were committed to it. we actually helped to invent it. mm—hm. we were the authors of our own incarceration. take that away, change the approach of the uk negotiators, and you have a very different outcome. and if you can do that... and simultaneously, of course — and you know what i'm going to say. the other tool of negotiation that you should use, not only the incentives of getting this thing done, moving it over the line, getting the money across and all the rest, but you have the extra incentive, of course, that the uk will be ready to come out, as you know, on wto rules. and, if you cannot get the agreement, that sounds like you crossing your fingers, you are clear, you would take us out at halloween without a deal — an absolute guarantee?
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i think you have to be. of course, my pledge is to come out of the eu at halloween, on 31 october. and the way to get our friends and partners to understand how serious we are is finally, i'm afraid, to abandon the defeatism and negativity that has enfolded us in a great cloud for so long, and to prepare confidently and seriously for a wto or no—deal outcome. now, you've got to understand, laura, listening to what ijust said, that is not where i want us to end up. it's not where i believe for a moment we will end up. but in order to get the result that we want, in order to get the deal we need,
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the common—sensical protraction of the existing arrangements until such time as we have completed the deal, the common sense thing to do is to prepare for a wto exit. but unless you can get that deal... as it happens, by 29 march, a huge amount of work had been done, and we had made great progress. there are still, as you know, some areas that need to be completed, some things, actually, where the kind mof level of preparedness is slightly less. borisjohnson, would you really be willing as prime minister to face the consequences of no—deal, which could mean crippling tariffs on some businesses, it could mean huge uncertainty over what happens on the irish border, uncertainty for livelihoods and people's real lives? in the real world, as prime minister, i know you dispute how bad it would be, but are you willing to face the consequences of what a no—deal might mean for the people of this country? in the real world, the uk government is never going to impose checks or a hard border of any kind in northern ireland. that's just number one. number two, in the real world,
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the uk government is not going to want to impose tariffs on goods coming into the uk. but it's notjust up to the uk. of course that's right, laura. it's notjust up to us. it's up to the other side, as well. and there is an important element of mutuality and cooperation in this. and we will be working with our friends and partners to make sure we have an outcome that is manifestly in the interests of people, of businesses, of communities, on both sides of the channel. and you think you could get that through parliament? you think you could get a no—deal through parliament? i do — well, i do. you've got to be very clear. i think parliament now understands that the british people want us to come out and to honour the mandate that they gave us, and i think that mps on both sides of the house also understand that they will face mortal retribution from the electorate unless we get on and do it.
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and you know, again, what has changed since 29 march is that my beloved party is down 17 points on the polls. labour isn't doing much better. as i say, with superhuman incompetence, corbyn managed to go backwards in the recent council elections. people want to get this thing done. they want to get it done sensibly. they want to get it done in a way that is generous to european citizens in our country. and i stress that is the first thing we will do. and they want to get it done in a way that allows us to move on, which is what i think people are yearning for. they're yearning for this great incubus to be pitchforked off the back of british politics. they want us to get on with some fantastic things for this country. well, let's move on, because there's plenty of things we want to talk about. can you just tell us what happened at your partner's home a couple of nights ago? i would love to tell you about all sorts of things, but i have made it a rule that i do not talk about stuff involving my family, my loved ones. there is a very good reason
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for that, and that is, if you do, you drag them into things that's not fair on them. but, now you're hoping to move into number ten, things are changing. does your privacy mean more to you than the public‘s ability to trust you? part of trust is being open, accountable and transparent. i get that, i totally get that. but my key point is, the minute you start talking about your family or your loved ones, you involve them in a debate that is — in a way that's simply unfairon them. you seem to care about your privacy so much that yesterday a photographer or someone with a phone just happened to stumble upon you in the middle of the sussex countryside. i mean, aren't you trying to have this both ways? i repeat my key point to you, which is that over many, many years — and you can look back at innumerable statements i gave
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when i was mayor and probably before, when ijust do not go into this stuff. there is a good reason for it, because what people want to know is, what is going on with this guy? when it comes to trust, does he deliver what he says he will deliver? well, let's look at that then. there are plenty of people, even in the conservative party who worry you do not stick to what you promise? well, they're talking absolute nonsense. when i was mayor of london, when we said we would do something, we delivered plus ten. you said you would keep our ticket offices open. you closed every single one. you said you would build affordable houses. you built more houses, but the definition of affordable changed. you said you would bring
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down rough sleeping, and the number went up. we built more affordable homes than under labour. when you talk about the tube, we increased capacity on the tube by about 30%. it was the biggest investment in infrastructure that the city has seen. i pledged to reduce crime. we reduced crime by about 20%. we reduced the murder rate, which is a statistic that is very difficult to talk about, we reduced by 50%. but why do you think, then, borisjohnson, people worry about your character? why do so many conservatives worry about you sticking to your word or being careless with the truth? i mean, you said a few weeks ago you would raise tax for the wealthiest in society. that became an ambition. you said you would lie down in front of bulldozers at heathrow. and then when it came to nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe. .. take nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe and the very difficult cases we have
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and then when it came to nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe you put her in danger by being carelesss with the facts. take nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe and the very difficult cases we have had with iran. of course people will want to point the finger of blame if they possibly can. but all that does is serve to exculpate, to lift the blame, off the people who are really responsible, who are the iranian revolutionary guard. talk about overachieving in the foreign office. we were told that we had to orchestrate, and we did, an international response to the poisonings by russia in salisbury, and we thought we would be lucky to get 30 russian spies expelled around the world, in support of the uk, by other countries. we actually got 153 spies expelled. i don't think there has ever been a diplomatic coup like it. so don't worry what people say about me. worry about what i deliver.
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people are worried you are a bit scrappy with the truth, or sometimes you seem to enjoy offending people. i don't enjoy offending people. if you are prime minister, do you think it would be acceptable to say things like muslim women in full veil look like bank robbers, orforeign citizens are flag—waving piccaninnies. if you move into number 10, will you change? if you are lucky enough to be prime minister, will you be a different kind of politician? what i pledge to you, the people of this country want to hear, i will be a politician who sticks by what he believes in. yes, occasionally i may say things, as i've said before, that cause offence, and i'm sorry for the offence i cause. but i will continue to speak my mind, because i think people deserve to hear what is going on in my head. they deserve to hear my approach to things. and you talk about my commitment to delivery. actually look at the difficult
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things i have taken on and done. nobody thought we could win in london, either in 2008, let alone in 2012, when the tory party was actually 17 points behind in the polls, and i overhauled that deficit. nobody thought we could win the european union referendum in 2016, and i played a role, with others, in getting over the line. why is it, then, do you think some people... nobody thought that the olympic games would be a huge success. i remember people writing in, saying it was all going to be a fiasco. but — we're very much running out of time, but if all of that is... they were a fantastic success. my message about what i want to do — and forgive me, but i believe that we had amazing success when i was mayor of london in using infrastructure, education and technology, bringing the greatest city on earth together, and lifting people up across the city, closing the opportunity gap in london,
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giving people tools, whether it's better transport, better education, to take advantage of all the incredible things going on in this city. when i began, we had the six poorest boroughs in london. after two terms — in the uk, when i entered. —— ended in london, there were none of the poorest 20 boroughs in the whole of the uk. the whole city came up, and it was people on the lowest incomes, who had been helped by our living wage, who had been helped by massive investment in public transport, who had been helped by better education, it was they whose life expectancy had gone up the fastest, and whose wealth had also increased. we're incredibly proud of that, incredibly proud of that. but what i want to do now, if i possibly can, if i am successful in this contest and become a leader and prime minister, what i really want to do is to bring our country together, which has felt divided, which has felt a bit directionless,
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which has, i think, because of the failures of the political class, lost a sense of purpose, and lost perhaps a bit of a sense of self—belief. i want to bring this incredible country together, and to release the potential of the whole of the uk. that's what i want to do. just one of the other people who was very closely involved in the olympics, of course, was your opponent, jeremy hunt. what do you make of your opponent? yes, and i pay tribute tojeremy and enjoyed working with him in government. but a final question. what do you... and who knows — i look forward to working with him in the future. i always invoked ronald reagan, which is to say never speak ill of a conservative opponent. what do you make of him? he says you area what do you make of him? he says you are a character. and who knows — i look forward to working with him in the future.
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i always invoked ronald reagan, which is to say never speak ill of a conservative opponent. but what i want to do is to emphasise my basic message, which is to unite the country. brexit was — yes, it was partly about immigration, but it was also about huge parts of britain feeling that they didn't have the same advantages, the same care, the same love, as london and the south—east, and that they were being a bit left behind. well, that's an economic mistake. it's a political and it's a social mistake. we need to bring the country together — infrastructure, education, technology, give everybody the chance they deserve. and you really think you can do that, when some people see you as the most divisive politician? believe me, they said that in 2008, before i became mayor of london. the guardian, a highly reputable newspaper, ran a whole section in which people promised to flee the land, or at least the city, if i became mayor.
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eight years later, most of them were still there. many of them have gone on to work with me, and i had higher approval ratings by far when i left my office as mayor than when i began. and i ran london. yes, of course i believe in the democracy of our country, and yes, of course we're going to get brexit done on 31 october. but be in no doubt that, at heart, i am a centre—right, progressive, modern conservative, and i will govern from the centre—right, and from the centre, because that is where you win. that is where the broad mass of the people in this country are. you need an infrastructure, nhs, great education, to enable business to have the confidence to invest, and jeremy corbyn only understands one half of that. he is only interested
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in taxation and spending. he has no care, no love, no interest, for business, and for the wealth creators on whom we all depend, and you have got to have that balance in your government. we will see if, before too long, you will be able to make that case. thank you very much indeed. hello. the heat and the humidity have been rising over recent days and that is bringing us the fuel for some heavy showers and some thunderstorms as well. as we head through the day on tuesday, we're going to keep that warm, humid, fairly sticky feel to the weather and we are expecting further thundery showers as well. now, we've got this weather front that's been pushing up from the south over the past few hours. it will continue its progression north—eastwards, as we head on through tuesday. but early in the day, this is the zone we're most concerned about, in terms of those heavy thunderstorms and torrential rain. not everywhere is going to see them
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but if you catch one, could well see some flash flooding problems, particularly across this part of eastern england and into eastern wales as well. through the course of tuesday morning then, that first batch of rain tends to drift its way northwards and eastwards, across north—east england, and eventually out into the north sea. we'll also see some further heavy showers building through into the afternoon, particularly through parts of the midlands, perhaps wales as well. scotland and northern ireland having a bit of a drier day. wherever you are, it's feeling reasonably warm. most of us around about 19—25 degrees or so. just a little bit cooler along some of these north—east coasts. as we move through the course of tuesday evening and overnight into wednesday, then that first batch of rain clears away and we then we've got a little bit of a change on into wednesday. quite a lot of cloud across the country, and it's going to be another mild and fairly muggy feeling night, with temperatures between around 10—16 degrees overnight. so heading through wednesday, once we have lost that frontal system, high pressure tends to topple in from the north, becoming more of a player and quietening the weather down.
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so through the day on wednesday, there will not be as many heavy downpours and thunderstorms. still the chance of perhaps one or two showers lingering across the far south—west of england, the channel isles too. most other parts of the country looking dry. best of the sunshine, i think, across scotland and northern ireland. quite a bit of cloud for england and wales but it will tend to break up through the day, allowing temperatures to rise to around about 23 degrees or so. later in the week then, that high—pressure topples in further. we see low pressure moving out towards the west. so we are going to be drawing in these warm southerly or even south—easterly winds. lifting temperatures to as high as about 31 degrees or so in the warmer spots. so through the day on thursday, plenty of sunshine around. it's looking like a dry day across the uk, bit more brightness, i think, compared to wednesday. still a little cooler, with a bit more cloud around parts of eastern scotland and north—east england as well, where we draw the breeze off the sea. the warmest temperatures are going to be found further west. but later on in the week it is looking dry, mostly sunny, again hot and pretty humid, and also fairly muggy and sticky by night. bye for now.
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this is bbc news. welcome if you are watching here in the uk, on pbs in america, or around the globe. i'm duncan golestani. our top stories: the frontrunner to be the next british prime minister, boris johnson, speaks exclusively to the bbc. he insists he can deliver brexit by the october deadline. my pledge is to come out of the eu at halloween, on 31 october. the us imposes new sanctions on iran. president trump calls them hard—hitting. the iranians accuse his administration of thirsting for war.
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