hello. it's monday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. the most dangerous criminals could stay locked up for longer under new proposals by the prime minister. we need to build in a better system of incentives to encourage progress and good behaviour, to reduce reoffending and to make sure that when eventually, prisoners are released, they are in a position to resume life in the community in a way that doesn't pose a risk to the public. people with cystic fibrosis will find out today whether they will now be able to get two life—changing drugs on the nhs in scotland. we'll talk to nine—year—old luis walker. his mum christina says they'll consider moving to scotland from their home in if it means he can get the drug he needs. and callum kelly,

who already takes it — and says it's changed his life. 13,000 solar panels on one roof — we'll show you the world's greenest industrial building. it's approximately 200,000 square feet of panels. and more than four megawatts of energy, we can produce on an annual basis. so how many megawatts do you use? less than one megawatt. the rest is going into the public net. the cbi has exclusively told this programme the uk government is not doing enough to encourage british companies to go green. we'll ask what more they can do. and we'll talk live to this liverpool fan — who got knocked out in his quest to get a wave from his hero mo salah.

hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. later, we'll be talking to the foodbank in grimsby that's been so overwhelmed since the start of the summer holidays that it might be forced to close. if you've been using your local foodbank, maybe for the first time recently, get in touch. use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. first, joanna gosling has the news. the prime minister is launching a review into whether dangerous criminals should spend more time injail before being released. it's the latest in a series of announcements on law and order from the government including the creation of thousands more prison places and extending

stop—and—search powers in england and wales. critics say there's no evidence that longer sentences prevent crime, and the uk already has the largest prison population in western europe. drug crime is increasing in many small towns and villages, but has fallen in the centre of many big cities. dealers known as county lines gangs have been expanding their networks to suburbs and rural areas, often using violence and exploiting vulnerable young people to sell drugs. but overall, bbc news analysis of crime data found drug crimes in england and wales have fallen by more than 50,000 in the past five years. hong kong airport's authority has cancelled all departure flights for the rest of the day, after thousands of anti—government protesters descended on the airport. 0nly flights already in the air will be allowed to land and flights that have completed the check in process will be able to take off. the number of complaints about british betting companies has increased almost fifty—fold in the past five years.

new figures obtained from the gambling commission by the bbc show that there were more than 8,000 complaints in the last year. that compares to just 169 in 2013. most complaints were about firms refusing to pay out on winning bets orfailing to operate in a socially responsible way. caroline lucas has asked 10 female politicians from all parties tojoin her in forming an "emergency cabinet" to try to stop a no—deal brexit. writing in the guardian newspaper, the green party mp said the all—women cabinet could "bring a different perspective". ms lucas, whose party wants another brexit referendum, said the aim would be to force a no—confidence vote in prime minister borisjohnson. we'll be speaking to her here on the programme at around 10.45. a man will appear in court later charged with attempted murder, after a police officer was run over in birmingham as he tried to stop a suspected stolen car. mubashar hussein, who's 29, also faces a number of assault and driving charges,

along with another man. the family of the 15—year—old school girl with special needs who's gone missing in malaysia could offer a reward to find her. hundreds of people are now involved and detectives in malaysia have set up a special hotline for information. nora quoirin was last seen at a forest eco—resort where she was staying with her parents. a young liverpool fan who knocked himself unconscious on a lamppost while chasing mo salah‘s car after training says he was gobsmacked to have been visited by his idol. 11—year—old louis fowler and his 10—year—old brother isaac were trying to get the liverpool striker‘s attention as was driving out of the club's training base on saturday, when he ran into the post. mo salah turned his car around, went to check that louis was ok and gave him and his brother a hug. that's a summary of the latest news. back to victoria. and we will talk to louis and isaac later in the

programme. this afternoon, people with cystic fibrosis will hear whether two life—changing drugs will be made available on the nhs in scotland. the scottish medicines consortium — which recommends which drugs the scottish nhs should fund — will announce their decision on the drugs 0rkambi and symkevi. the drugs — which cost £100,000 per year per patient — are currently only available on the nhs in exceptional circumstances. campaigners say the drugs can slow the decline in lung function, which is the main cause of death among people with cystic fibrosis, by 42%. if the drugs are approved today in scotland, it's likely to put pressure on the nhs in englald, northern ireland and wales to provide the treatment. let's talk again now to christina walker, whose nine—year—old son luis has cystic fibrosis. they were on our programme in february, pleading for this drug to be made available across the country.

mrs walker says her family could move to scotland if they approve this drug. also here, rebecca cosgriff the director, of the cystic fibrosis trust. in glasgow, the snp mp marion fellows, who's campaigned to make these drugs readily available on the nhs across the uk — her granddaughter has the condition and also in glasgow is callum kelly, who's 29 years old and started taking symkevi for cystic fibrosis seven weeks ago. christina walker, thank you for coming onto our programme again. has significant is this decision from the scottish medicines consortium? it's massive. families from across the uk, england, wales and northern ireland as well as those in scotland will be watching with bated breath because it really does signal the intent of vertex, the drug company. i want to express my the drug company. i want to express e the drug company. i want to express my hope and support for the families

in scotland, many of whom i am connected with on social media, who have been working so hard and are so desperate and have been campaigning for years, as have the rest of us, working with the cf trust and msps. everyone has put so much into this that it everyone has put so much into this thatitis everyone has put so much into this that it is now down to the reasonableness or not of the drug company. today i believe that if a way is found in scotland, that we are then give hope to the nhs in england and northern ireland and wales to signal a roll—out. but we will see because these talks have failed many times before and vertex recently declined a list price offer from spain because they said the drugs couldn't be judged by results. and the smc and nice in england does require the drugs to be measured by results, so we are anxiously waiting and we hope it is positive. how are you feeling about this decision,

luis? i don't want to move to scotland. bless him. this is the pressure it is putting on families across the uk. luis, just hearing the idea that we might consider moving to scotland, we have also become part of a buyers group which has looked at buying generic versions from argentina. but the amount is still high. the price is more than my part—time wages. the pressure that is being put on familiesjust to pressure that is being put on families just to get access to medicines that can make their children's lives better is intolerable and it must be brought to an end. but if the decision this afternoon from the scottish medicines consortium is that it will be made available on the nhs over there, is that something that you would considerfor your son? there, is that something that you would consider for your son? moving from sussex to scotland? we would hope first of all that it would

trigger what is possible and the nhs would jump on that and look to do similar. but if they couldn't, we would be one of many families considering that drastic move, yes. we would do anything for your loved one, but that is not something we would do likely. my recently widowed father is local to us and that would be heartbreaking. so you would consider splitting up your family in order to get the drugs for luis?|j think order to get the drugs for luis?” think it's important that people realise that that is what it is making families consider. cystic fibrosis is a genetic condition. you haveit fibrosis is a genetic condition. you have it from birth. you progressively get more symptoms, more lung infections, and this is the first medicine that is available that can reduce and slow that. we will do anything as a family to get that for him. we appeal to politicians and the nhs and anyone

involved in this to recognise the human cost of this and fight for us because luis needs this medicine. luis, you do need the medicines, don't you? yes. what was the medicines help you do? live a normal life, maybe. and what can't you do at the moment? i do what do you have to do every morning? lots of nebulisers, tablets. you do physio every day. physio. it's a three-hour battle every day just to every day. physio. it's a three-hour battle every dayjust to maintain health. if you think of the two hours in the morning and day out in the evening. 0h, hours in the morning and day out in the evening. oh, yeah. luis is

fantastic. like most people who are born with it, it is all they have ever known. so they are very brave and resilient. they take the increasing load of treatment as part of their life. but knowing now that there is something that can hold back the tide with that, people across the uk really need access. it shouldn't be this hard. if there wasn't a monopoly, it wouldn't be. when you see other drugs being brought to market, if it is competitive, companies want them to get to patients quickly. there is that natural mechanism. but when i drug company, in the case of rare diseases, when they come along with a first treatment, people see there has been nothing, so it is a first treatment and has a monopoly for ten yea rs. treatment and has a monopoly for ten years. but they argue that they have put their money in. they have invested in this, they have discovered this, and that is why they need to continue charging £100,000 per patient per year to continue investing in drugs like

this. a canadian study has shown the vertex will make 21 billion just from 0rkambi. and we can argue that they didn't do the discovery, that was done by charity money. people can give different arguments stop but the fact is that in a public health system, drugs have to have a value relative to a price that co m pa res to value relative to a price that compares to other drugs, and these don't, and vertex are refusing an evaluation of their drugs. so i am hoping the smc has made that breakthrough. spain and niece in england have not been able to, so a lot of hope is banking on scotland. luis, i heard you say at the beginning that you didn't want to move to scotland. why do you say that? i want to stay here, because i like my house. i like the people who live with me. i like my school. but

if you could get the drugs that could change your life? it's not a choice anyone should have to make, is it? that is the point. it's not a choice that a nine—year—old should need to make. let me bring in callum. thank you for talking to us in glasgow, callum kelly. you started taking one of these drugs, symkevi, four cystic fibrosis seven weeks ago. how were you able to get access to it? i was able to get it through a scottish government system. my consultant doctor plaid oi'i system. my consultant doctor plaid on my behalf and ijust got a focal out of the blue one day —— my doctor applied on my behalf and i got a phone call monday. that was howl was able to get it. so you were one

of the lucky few. can you tell us how it has changed your life in the last seven weeks? so what i thought was normal before for 29 years, it turns out that that was pretty bad. seven weeks ago, i couldn't walk 15 minutes to work in the morning without having to stop halfway to catch my breath. i was going skateboarding the other day. now i can walk for just skateboarding the other day. now i can walk forjust over an hour with i'io can walk forjust over an hour with no problem. i used to not be able to lie on my back at night time and for me, that was normal. ijust accepted that i couldn't do that. now it is a thing that i can do. my weight is up. i have put on almost five kilograms in eight weeks. things like that that i never thought would be possible are now happening, and it's great. it has had a huge impact. is this drug going to help extend your life, do you know?”

definitely hope so. when i was younger, i never had a long—term plan for anything and now i feel that that is something i will hopefully have. i feel amazing on these drugs. hopefully, it means i can live a longer and better life. let me bring in marion fellows who is also in glasgow, snp mp. you have been campaigning to make these drugs readily available on the nhs across the uk. your granddaughter has cystic fibrosis. do you have any steer about what this decision this afternoon will be from the scottish medicines consortium? no, i'm afraid i don't. i am hopeful and medicines consortium? no, i'm afraid i don't. iam hopeful and i medicines consortium? no, i'm afraid i don't. i am hopeful and i think scotla nd i don't. i am hopeful and i think scotland has led the way in giving these drugs to people with cystic fibrosis. and i hope the decision is the one that everyone hopes for. and if it is a yes, they can be

available on the nhs in scotland, he would be expecting, as we had from christina walker, english families to move to scotland to get access to this. are you sympathetic to that? well, scotland is a very welcoming place but i don't think it should be necessary for families to trek across the uk to get access to the drugs their children need. of course, people would agree with you. but if that is the case, that is what is going to happen. yes, it may well do. i expect that will be a factor that is taken into consideration. but scotland is a welcoming place and we will welcome anyone who wants to live and work in scotland. let me bring in rebecca cosg rove, a scotland. let me bring in rebecca cosgrove, a directorfrom the scotland. let me bring in rebecca cosgrove, a director from the cystic fibrosis trust. how big is this decision this afternoon? it's a really important decision. if the scottish medicines consortium

recommend routine access to 0rkambi and symkevi in scotland, that means rapid, routine access to the 350 people with cystic fibrosis based in scotland who are eligible for these medicines. 0ur scotland who are eligible for these medicines. our hope would be that that would create a ripple effect across the uk and encourage immediate access and agreements between the drug company vertex and the nhs in northern ireland, wales and england. the nhs in england has not been able to come to an agreement with the vertex. why do you say that a positive decision in scotla nd you say that a positive decision in scotland might create this ripple effect? well, it would certainly create pressure on other parts of the uk to reach a deal. we are told that talks are ongoing between the drug company vertex and nhs england for people with cystic fibrosis in england. it would trigger families like christina's to consider uprooting their family and moving.

it would create pressure to reach a deal and demonstrate that a deal can be made and it is not impossible. thank you all for coming on the programme. we await the decision with interest. we wish you all the best and we will see what happens. luis, nice to see you. nice to see you too. the most dangerous criminals could stay locked up for longer. the idea will be looked at as part of a review of sentencing, announced today by borisjohnson. the prime minister has also said the crown prosecution service will get an extra £85m over the next two years, to help tackle the rise in violent crime in england and wales. robert buckland is the newjustice secretary: i have a view that is based upon nearly 30 years of experience of the system. i think that we need to build in a better system of incentives to encourage progress and good behaviour, to reduce reoffending and to make sure

that when eventually, prisoners are released, that they are in a position to resume life in the community in a way that doesn't pose a risk to the public. that's myjob. with regards to the risk of reoffending, work needs to be done to reduce reoffending and that is not possible. i am working on reforms to the probation system to try and make sure that we have more effective community sentences were that approach is merited. but this review is a focus on the other end of the system, serious violent and sexual offenders who are sometimes eligible for release halfway irrespective of whether they had made progress. there are types of sentences that allow this type of offender to be detained for up to two thirds of a sentence before they are eligible for parole, but there are eligible for parole, but there are still a large number of people in the system who are subject to

these automatic release provisions and uses that areal these automatic release provisions and uses that area i will focus on in the review. let's talk to mcstay from the prison reform trust. so we have this notion at the moment that some dangerous criminals are automatically released halfway through their sentence irrespective of what progress they have made inside. is it wise to review that? well, as thejustice secretary said in that segment, there is already a form of sentence called the extended determinate sentence which is available for serious violent or sexual offenders, and they will only be considered for release at the two thirds points. even then, it is up to the parole board to decide whether to release them. so they can already be detained right until the end of the sentence. so are you saying a review of this other element is not necessary? it's confusing that they are asking for a review when there is already a provision in place precisely to deal with this situation. so what do you

think is going on? well, it is for the prime minister to answer that question about the motive for this review. but undoubtedly, it has created public misunderstanding in our sentencing process and system. we have a situation where the prison population has nearly doubled in the past two decades. that has largely been driven by sentence inflation, particularly the growing length of sentences at the top end. so it is precisely the lengthening of sentences which has contributed to our overcrowded prison system. and sentences have been growing year on year, the evidence shows. do longer sentences reduce crime? it's hard to know what the impact of long sentences are on reoffending, because we don't have a comparator to know. whereas with short sentences, we to know. whereas with short sentences, we can to know. whereas with short sentences, we can compare community sentences, we can compare community sentences versus short sentences. but when you have people in prison

for longer and longer periods, that inevitably has an impact on people's sense of hope, the idea that they will ever be released. it can also be extremely challenging to keep in contact with family, to be motivated and get to the end of a sentence and make something of your life on release. victims of crime may not have sympathy with that view. indeed, and it is right that people who commit serious crimes are sent to prison for lengthy periods of time. but what has happened over the past couple of decades, we have seen sentences length quite extraordinarily. like you, mark day from the prison reform trust. a food bank in grimsby is facing closure because the founder says there's unprecedented demand this summer. it usually feeds 100 people per week but this holiday is feeding 400 while children are off school and at home. according to figures from the largest network

of foodbanks in the uk, there was a 20% increase in the number of emergency food parcels handed out to children during the summer holidays last year. we can talk now to the founder of that food bank in grimsby — pam hodge. also with us are dee woods, who runs a food aid project in london and has used food banks herself. and in swindon is kathy holland. kathy's a single mum of two teenage girls who says she relies on food banks in the summer holidays.. pam, tell us what a typical day at your food bank is like at the moment in the school summer holidays. we have had a huge increase. we are feeding 100 a day, sometimes plus. this time last year, we were feeding half that amount. we have seen a tremendous increase, one being because of universal credit and people still waiting five to six

weeks for that. another reason is that we have a lot of people on zero hours. another food bank that we have a lot of people on zero hours. anotherfood bank has had to close because of sustainability, again. and we have also had children of school and on holiday, so we do not have the breakfast clubs. they are not having school meals and it is or impacting on us. so you have got mums and dads coming to you with their children because the children are off school and they need three meals a day from your food bank. what do you think about that? meals a day from your food bank. what do you think about that7m meals a day from your food bank. what do you think about that? it is shocking and sad that we have got to that point as a nation. it is sad that point as a nation. it is sad that the local government is not giving us any support. we are not getting any help, and it is sad that charities like ourselves are having to ta ke charities like ourselves are having to take the pressure. we ran another charity for adults with learning disabilities, and we are trying our best there again, but with reductions in funding for that, it seems like we are fighting all the timejust to get seems like we are fighting all the time just to get heard and just to

get funding for these very vulnerable adults. he said the other food bank in grimsby has recently closed. if you have to close because you can't feed everyone, what would that do? it would be devastating. i don't know what people will do. we can't afford for that to happen. people depend on us. some of the cases that come through are so sad and shocking. even a couple of weeks ago, we had a social worker who came to us foran ago, we had a social worker who came to us for an emergency food parcel, and that was for a 92—year—old. we have seen people on zero hours, even asylu m have seen people on zero hours, even asylum seekers who, when they do get asylum, they don't get benefits for six weeks and they are destitute. we have had people who come to the country to work and when the cash dries up, they can't get work and they have nothing. we had a lady who

came to this country who got her electric bed, but nothing else. no food for her family and she was relying on us to feed her and her family. kathy, you're a single pa rent to family. kathy, you're a single parent to two teenage girls. how reliant are you on food banks to feed yourfamily, reliant are you on food banks to feed your family, particularly in the summer holidays? wholly reliant. as the other lady was saying, school holidays, free school meals have stopped. so you need the food banks in the summer holidays. absolutely. teenage children almost have hollow legs! so they are angry and by the fridge or the time, what can we have? and fridge or the time, what can we have ? and that fridge or the time, what can we have? and that is hard on me —— they are hungry all the time. how old are they? 16 and 14. and what words

would you use to describe how you feel about using a food bank? there are positive words like grateful, obviously. i am grateful, are positive words like grateful, obviously. lam grateful, but are positive words like grateful, obviously. i am grateful, but there is also shameful. i put that badge on of being a bad mother because you can't provide for your children. i am not working at the moment. and the benefit money goes as far as it goes and no further than that. during the holidays, there are lots of activities put on, but then it costs the bus ride to get there. it costs the bus ride to get there. it costs an entrance fee. and then, can i have an ice lolly? it's all about

money. let me bring in dee. you run a food aid project in london. what do you think about the fact that in britain in 2019, mums and dads are using food banks to feed their children because they are not at school? i think it's shameful. and our government should be embarrassed. we as communities, as faith groups and charities, any type of food bank of food aid project, we shouldn't be responsible for ensuring that our children are fed. a government spokesperson said the reason people use food banks is complex. 0ur priority is to support people to improve their lives through work while helping low—income families with the cost of living. with universal credit, no one has to wait five weeks to be paid as the first payment is

available as an advance on day one. the system is helping people move into work faster. it is helping some people, but i think it is impacting really negatively on single—parent households, women led households. the majority are being pushed further into poverty. we have so many reports and evidence showing that from the trussell trust to the independent food aid network which i am co—chairof, to independent food aid network which i am co—chair of, to the day la to the un wrapperto an am co—chair of, to the day la to the un wrapper to an extreme poverty. this idea of the reason people use the banks is complex. dominic raab said at the next, the last election

that the reason people use the banks is they just that the reason people use the banks is theyjust have a cash flow problem. again just looking at grimsby we have third and fourth generation unemployment, we had all the fishing industry go and no new jobs created and people are just desperate. it is a mixture of all sorts. so you need cash to stop your food bank closing. people forget, yes we re food bank closing. people forget, yes were desperate for food and need cash to buy food but also to make it sustainable. we still have our own costs to pay and unfortunately they do not go away. it is a tremendous strain on us as a charity. thank you so much for coming on our programme and making the journey down from grimsby. we really appreciate it. and cathy thank you for coming on the programme.

we're going to talk now to 11—year—old liverpool fan louis fowler who in his efforts to get the attention of his hero mo salah — ran into a lampost and injured his nose. louis is here now, with his 10 year old brother isaac and their step—dad, joe cooper. hello. how are you? how is the nose? not the best but i think it is getting better. it looks all right, a bit of bruising. did you break it? i think a bit of bruising. did you break it? ithink so, a bit of bruising. did you break it? i think so, the hospital said i might have to get it reset in a couple of weeks. are you quite happy with it or do you want it reset? whatever happens i think it was worth meeting mo salah. but you were knocked out? briefly. isaac, you

we re knocked out? briefly. isaac, you were there? i was watching it, i was behind him. i saw him run into the bmp behind him. i saw him run into the lamp post and i ran over to mo salah in his carto lamp post and i ran over to mo salah in his car to tell what happened and when i figured out he could not stand up and i was scared. mo salah came back round the corner a few minutes later. and he came up to louis and asked why he was running like that. he could have really hurt himself. so this was at the training ground, you see mo salah coming out in his car, take the story from then. so mo salah comes out from his carand then. so mo salah comes out from his car and sometimes he stops and you run car and sometimes he stops and you ru n after car and sometimes he stops and you run after him so i ran with my brother. in my excitement i was not focusing on what was in front of me, i was looking to the left because

that way his car was and then i ran into a that way his car was and then i ran intoa lamp that way his car was and then i ran into a lamp post. i think mo salah felt bad and he pulled over, i think he was worried about me. someone told him that i could have injured myself and a man called josie carried me back to my house and called an ambulance. we were not expecting mo salah at all. so what happened? he just came driving expecting mo salah at all. so what happened? hejust came driving in his car to happened? hejust came driving in his cartoa happened? hejust came driving in his car to a close and we walked out in the garden and he said he was worried about me and we got pictures and it was great. but also not the best because of my nose. what you think of mo salah, what car does he drive? a bentley. so the bentley went into a close, what to think of the fact the he came back and checked the new? i think that's very

kind hearted of him. i love him very much because he is amazing. isaac, do you love him? yes. joe, do you love him? he's a top guy, to be fair. iwas love him? he's a top guy, to be fair. i was shocked when he came back. it might not be a big deal to some people and with these players they have security watching them and all of a sudden mo salah disappeared and probably they were panicking. it was a big thing for him to come back and he was so caring and compassionate towards the boys and he made their day. so a big thank you to him and to liverpool because they are so good with the kids when they are so good with the kids when they wait outside which is most days. you were there? i did not seem run into the lamp post, we live just over the road so the first knew, louis was getting brought back over and isaac was bashing the door down

crying his eyes out worried about his brother. so we were attending to louis, cleaning him up and trying to keep him conscious and calling an ambulance. it was all happening so quickly and then within a minute we noticed no salad there and isaac was so noticed no salad there and isaac was so overwhelmed he started jumping on him and crying. i love the fact you did that! you just jumped him and crying. i love the fact you did that! you justjumped on mo salah! ijumped on him and hugged him and he was like, laughing and like i got a picture of stuff.” think he got a shock! as soon as isaac saw mo salah turn his car he started to burst into tears with happiness. and mo salah started laughing. and what did you do? i was getting carried! josie carrying you?

i was like, i was kinda spaced out at the same time and did not know what going on. but i was shouting his name. because i love him and he is just the best. his name. because i love him and he isjust the best. the his name. because i love him and he is just the best. the way he made the choice to come and check if i was ok. he could havejust the choice to come and check if i was ok. he could have just driven off and just hoped i was ok but he came round himself to check on me.” think that is really nice. let's ta ke think that is really nice. let's take a look at the photograph you had taken with him. you still look really upset! i have two boys and i feel really maternal, obviously that is your hero and he is a legend for coming back but blood pouring down your face coming back but blood pouring down yourface and coming back but blood pouring down your face and your eyes looking a bit teary! when i hit the lamp post my nose was bleeding quite bad. so i

was really happy to see mo salah but at the same time my nose was in so much pain so it was kind of like a sad smile! i do know what you mean. what do you want to say to him finally, if he was watching right now what would you say?” finally, if he was watching right now what would you say? i would say i love him so much, he is the best and hopefully he scores a hat—trick against chelsea! isaac? iwould and hopefully he scores a hat—trick against chelsea! isaac? i would say he is the best and so nice to everyone , he is the best and so nice to everyone, he has such a kind heart. and i hope he scores a hat—trick as well against chelsea! boys, thank you so much for coming on the programme. you have been an absolute delight and i hope the nose will keep getting better.” delight and i hope the nose will keep getting better. ijust want delight and i hope the nose will keep getting better. i just want to say a quick word to all the fans across the world, we do not realise it would blow up this much so thank you to all the kind messages for the

boys and they have gained so many followers on instagram! just check out his music, he a really gifted pianist, self taught. he plays mozart perfectly. and he's done a couple of songs for the liverpool fans to say thank you so check that out. you sound like a legend yourself! thank you so much. we need an emergency cabinet, not to fight a brexit war but to work for reconciliation, and i believe this should be a cabinet of women. the words of the green party mp, caroline lucas, who has invited ten female politicians from all parties tojoin her in forming an ‘emergency cabinet‘ to stop a no—deal brexit. included in the women she's invited, are the shadow foreign secretary, emily thornberry, liberal democrat leaderjo swinson, scotland's first minister, nicola sturgeon, conservative mp justine greening, the snp's kirsty blackman,

liz saville roberts of plaid cymru, change uk's anna soubry and the independent mp heidi allen her cabinet of women would step in were borisjohnhson to lose a vote of no confidence, in order to stop a no deal brexit. i am deeply, deeply concerned about the prospects of a no ideal. i think it would be a disaster for the country, not just economically but i think in terms of our standing in the world, in terms of our influence on the global stage, in terms of our security, in terms of our environment. so it seems to me this is a really damaging prospect and one that is entirely unnecessary. if we were able to get out of our tribal bunkers and really think with some fresh thinking here. and that is what my proposal is about. which involves only women and you say in your open letter to these high—profile women, i believe women have shown they can bring a different perspective to crises, are able to reach out to those they disagree with and cooperate to find solutions.

swap the word women for men, and you would say that was sexist? i'm talking about my own experience and i appreciate it is a generalisation, but in my experience i have found women have generally been more able to put aside tribal concerns and to build trust more quickly. not only all women, all white women and all white women who voted to remain. how could that be a government of national unity? let me address the issue of white women first of all because that is a real concern. but i want to explain that the reason this group of women came together in my mind was not because there is some kind of dream cabinet that i have huge amounts in common with, but simply because they are the leaders or deputy leaders of the parties at westminster. so that is how that leads us to liz saville roberts, for example, the leader of plaid cymru, jo swinson, leader of the lib dems. kirsty blackman who is the deputy leader of the snp, they all happen to be white. now i wish it were not the case

and certainly we would want to open this up as soon as possible to more women, more diversity. that would certainly be my dream. but what i am doing is trying to look at a practical way of breaking the logjam. and it seems to me by approaching those women who are in the most senior positions, in parties across westminster, it gives us the best chance of being able to do that. i just want to make this point to you because it is a big issue for our audience in particular. you say a no—deal brexit is a disaster which will hit women hardest. some of the women you have written to to help you block a no—deal brexit voted time and again for cuts in the coalition government which affected some of the most vulnerable in our society, including women, including people with disabilities. i am acutely aware of that and i stress again this is not some kind of dream cabinet of the women with whom i have most in common. it is a grouping of women who are the most senior, either leaders or deputy leaders in their parties. who have the potential to bring their parties with them. because the point is if i can just

say, i would be delighted to support jeremy corbyn if he tried to bring about a vote of no confidence and to set up a temporary government. but you know what, the lib dems have already said they would not support him, he has already indicated he is not interested at the minute in terms of working cross party. if we stay in our tribal bunkers we are not going to make any progress at all. so this is admittedly an ambitious proposal, but one that i hope might have potential to break that logjam. because if we stay in our tribal bunkers we are not going to make any difference at all. and let's talk about how it would work, if it could work. would you need to command the confidence of the house of commons or would you just turn up at number ten and take over? it is an attractive prospect, the latter one, but i do not think that would work. i think clearly what we are talking about here is in the 14 days that would follow a vote of no confidence, if people knew at the point they were supporting

a vote of no confidence that in those 14 days it would lead not to a labour government headed byjeremy corbyn. as i say i would personally be happy to support that. but we know there isn't a majority for that in the house. if instead it would lead to a group of women coming together to identify who best could form a cross—party government then i think that would have the better chance in the short term basis simply to deliver, as i say, a vote of the people on brexit and how to avoid the no—deal brexit that faces us right now. who would lead it? that would be for the women around the table to discuss and debate but i would imagine it would be someone from one of the larger parties. i'm not suggesting i would lead that government. so potentially emily thornbury, shadow foreign secretary. you said you could not forgive yourself if you could not forgive yourself if you did not try everything possible to avert the catastrophe of no deal. but you have not tried everything because you could have voted for theresa may and her deal on three

separate occasions and three times you voted against it. i have always said i would be willing to put aside my very deep reservations about that withdrawal agreement and i would support it if in return it went out to the people for a confirmatory ballot. that is the essence of the so—called kyle wilson amendment and that is what would happen. i understand your condition but when you say you would not forgive yourself if you have not tried everything, you have not tried everything, you have not tried everything because you did not vote for that deal on any of the occasions that you were able to. i think it was profoundly undemocratic and that is why i'm trying to get more democracy at this critical point. but for you to say that you've tried every thing possible, you have not. i think we still have another couple of months. time is fast running out but we have a couple of months where it is still possible at this late stage to avoid no deal by going back to the people. that has been my overarching desire

and the policy that so many people actually a majority, the largest number of mps voted for that in the so—called indicative votes last time around. we had over 290 mps voting for that. we need to get that over the barrier so we can then get such an issue of massive importance back to the people so they can have the final say. on its roof it has 13,000 solar panels — the world's greenest industrial building. where is it? the netherlands. how far behind them are we? well the cbi — which represents almost 200,000 british businesses — has told this programme exclusively that uk government policies actually put some businesses 0ff going green. in a moment we'll talk about what businesses are doing here — and what help they need to be able to do more. but first, michael cowan has this report. in the uk, business is leading the charge

towards a zero—carbon future. we're heading into the kentish countryside to meet the family behind winterdale cheese. they make 18 tons of the yellow stuff every year using solar panels and a wind turbine — as well as their business, they power their entire home and two cars almost entirely from renewable energy. so what is this board over here, that records energy? right, so what that is recording is... at the moment, you've got about 800... nearly a kilowatt of energy being produced. it's only a cloudy day. so, at the moment, we're in plus territory. so do you know how much your bills were compared to now? probably about £300 a month. and how much is it now? last month, we literally spent... we spent probably about £20, £25 on electricity. so that's running the whole cheese business, all our living, and running the electric vehicles. what do you think was the cost of putting that in? 35,000, i suppose. something like that.

i know that's quite a large capital cost, but also because these solar panels were quite a large capital cost. but what we're getting as a feed—in tariff for that is quite high as well. so we're getting about £4,000 back per year. robin will be paid for exporting any energy he doesn't use to the national grid. right. just mind the first step. instead of pumping energy into expensive cold storage facilities, robin uses the natural environment and ages his cheese in a manmade cave. so for a whole year that's kept down there, we haven't used one kilowatt of energy, whereas a warehouse will be using thousands of kilowatts. your business is run very cheaply. mm—hm. why are more businesses not doing that? i think the problem is it's a bit more forward—thinking. there's quite a bit of capital investment. but if you're in it for the long term, then it makes sense financially. but to achieve carbon neutrality

in the next 30 years is a huge undertaking. and the cbi, who represent almost 200,000 british businesses, say current government policy can impede, rather than encourage, businesses to go green. there are significant barriers still for businesses, particularly of business rates which we see as a barrier because they actually disincentivise the use of new technology. if a company invest in things like solar or wind power on their property, the value of that property will increase. and if the building is worth more the company, will pay higher business rates. that leaves little incentive for businesses to invest. but do the government have time to do anything about it? to reach net zero by 2050, how long does the government have to implement these policies? well, we really need to see action now, and the next few months will be critical. i don't believe we have a clear cross government strategy yet.

there are efforts being made from different government departments, but we need reallyjoined—up thinking across whitehall. to see how big industry is becoming more sustainable, we headed to holland. the dutch government incentivise business to create low—carbon energy. we wanted to keep our carbon footprint low, so we took the train. well...three, actually. we arrived in the dutch city of tilburg, home to the world's most sustainable industrial building. i was greeted by alphons van erven. he's the senior vice president of the dutch arm of rhenus. it's a multi—billion pound logistics firm with over 600 properties and 30,000 staff worldwide. this is what13,000 solar panels look like. as well as this enormous logistics centre,

they also power hundreds of homes. it's approximately 200,000 square feet of panels. and that's more than four megawatts of energy we can produce on an annual basis. so how many megawatts do you use? less than one megawatt. the rest is going into the public net. and how many households does it power? it's approximately 750 households on an annual basis. wow. and you're making a profit from what you sell? of course. we are a business, so we need to make profit out of it. these are two big heat pumps, where we use the heat which is in the air to heat up the building itself. the building uses no gas, instead running entirely on electricity it's created. it's completely airtight, has triple glazing and is built to keep the heat out in summer but retain it in winter.

even its toilets are sustainable. they have a waterless urinals in the toilet. we use rainwater coming from the roof for flushing the toilets. so that's just being reused as rainwater. yeah, exactly. and here we have the urinals, which are waterless — we don't use any water. waterless ? yes. so, for people who don't know at home, urinals normally have water coming through them, but this is waterless. we're in your enormous warehouse. what's different about this to other, similar warehouses? one of the main differences is the light in the back of every aisle. so we have still a connection to the outside world. so somebody working in here can see what the weather is like outside. but we use it also for getting free light into the building.

so when there's enough daylight coming, in the electric lighting is dimming down and consuming less energy. and how much does that save you on electricity? 70% less electricity for lighting. how likely is it that companies like yourself, do you think, will take it upon themselves to do this? either they will be forced by law, by government or they take sustainability seriously and will do it by their own, because there's also a positive element in it, business—wise. we showed you the solar panels — you can make a business case out of it. so why shouldn't you invest money into it? the companies we've met, both large and small, have proved that being more environmentally friendly can actually be profitable — you can sell the energy you create. so, with a sound economic model for business and brave decisions from our politicians, a carbon—neutral future

is within our reach. lets talk now to alan somerville who's from ratings agency breeam, they determine just how sustainable buildings are, and liz 0'driscoll, managing director at exeter city futures, she works with businesses to try and introduce greener ways of working. welcome to you both. how far away are we in the uk to an industrial building like that in the netherlands? i think we're getting there. we operate in 80 countries across the world and i think what i see is a kind of global effort to really try to change the dynamics of the buildings that we are building both today and in the future. as we heard from the cbi in this country

we arejust heard from the cbi in this country we are just incentivising businesses because if you put solar panels on the roof your business rates go up. i think all governments are struggling to find ways and means of dealing with this climate emergency that we have. that would be really simple, cut business rates or reduce them if you put solar panels on the roof? i think more importantly business is also driving this agenda and businesses are becoming more acutely aware that the climate is a financial risk for them. and being sustainable is now seen as a key pa rt sustainable is now seen as a key part of a successful business and businesses are under real pressure i think from shareholders and investors, customers and staff, to demonstrate clear positive impact and really do something about mitigating the risk of climate and carbon. liz, do you agree that businesses are under pressure from

customers and shareholders to do something? i think you're right and businesses are struggling all over the country with understanding what they can do to address challenges around becoming carbon neutral. in exeter we work to bring together businesses with local authorities and individuals to think about the whole city and help we can work together to make it a better place together to make it a better place to live. what specifically are you doing? we are working to develop a road map for exeter to become carbon neutral, we recognise that individuals and businesses and the local authority have an important pa rt local authority have an important part to play and we're working to understand barriers that people face both financially and pressures on small businesses but also politically in terms of that need to be made and how you make those in a way that leads to carbon neutral and also helps businesses and local people thrive. alan for any business is watching right now who want to

become sustainable but worry about the cost, what is the first thing they should do? the first thing to do is get yourself some really good solid data so you understand where you are today because what you do not measure you cannot manage. understand where you are today and what good targets are, where you wa nt to what good targets are, where you want to get to. then find some really good benchmarks to allow you to plan out what you want to do and how to measure that and manage that and really understand your impact. does that sound right to you, it is? i would add seeking to empower your staff and investing in business and technology is one thing but empowering staff to ask them what they can do to make themselves more efficient and make your business better and be more sustainable is an excellent place to start. thank you very much.

the nation has fallen in love with louis and isaac for saying they should be given their own show. that is the liverpool fan who knocked into a is the liverpool fan who knocked intoa lamp is the liverpool fan who knocked into a lamp post chasing mo salah and mo salah came back to check he was all right. richard saint so good to see young people with excitement in their eyes talking about meeting their hero. have a lovely day. we are back tomorrow at ten o'clock. bbc newsroom live is coming up next.

there could be some impact from that. showers drifting south—east, clear skies, chili into tuesday morning. temperatures for many into single fingers. it will be a dry day with some sunshine. temperatures a little bit higher than today, 17 to 21 celsius. wet and windy for wednesday.

you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's11am and these are the main stories this morning. all flights in and out of hong kong are cancelled for the rest of the day as thousands of anti—government protesters occupy the airport. this is the scene at hong kong international airport, both levels are completely full. black clad pro—democracy demonstrators have occupied every inch of this terminal. it's currently 6pm at hong kong, this is the live scene and demonstrators showing no sign of moving. drug crime increases in many small towns and villages despite falling in city centres. another rival gang or someone from manchester or something like that tried coming to town, and muscling in on the business, then you're going to start getting sort of fighting