hello. it's wednesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. "our hearts are broken" — the family of nora quoirin pay tribute to their "most precious girl" as her post mortem examination is held in malaysia. we're expecting a press conference in the next hour to update us on the results of that postmortem. we'll bring it to you live. the mother of a 12—year—old who drowned has told this programme excluusively she believes greater manchester police were "institutionally racist" in the way they handled the investigation into her dughter‘s death. shukri abdi drowned in a river in bury injune. do you believe they've treated you differently because they are institutionally racist?

translation: yes. and what's your view as the family lawyer? it is the family's firm position that they've only been treated that way because of their race. the indpendent police watchdog tell us they are now investigating the allegation that the force treated the cases differently because of the family's ethnic background. it's time to scrap the predicted grades system for getting into uni, says the labour party. they claim the current system discriminates against disadvantaged students. we want to see a system that is based more on what you actually are able to achieve, rather than what people believe you may be able to achieve through some predicted rate system. you may be able to achieve through some predicted grade system. so it's a much fairer system based on your actual results, rather than what people think you might be able to achieve. do you think the system should be overhauled 7 let us know. and social media is stopping teenagers from sleeping and doing exercise, according to a new study

which recommends parents should ban phones from bedrooms after 10pm — do you agree? as soon as that news conference happens, we will bring it to you live. we are expecting it in the next few minutes. also a good look of your expecting your btec results. the labour party want to scrap the system based on predicted grades, and bring in a system of applying after results. we know many students watch this programme. what do you think of this idea? let us know. let's bring you the news, which we may interrupt if that conference sta rts may interrupt if that conference starts in malaysia. here isjoanna.

the mother of a 12—year—old girl who drowned has told this programme she believes institutional racism within the police means the family may never know how she died. shukri abdi drowned in the river irwell in bury, in greater manchester, on 27june. the family claim officers failed to carry out a full investigation and treated them differently because of their ethnic background. the independent office for police conduct is investigating. the former chancellor, philip hammond, has launched an attack on the government's approach to brexit, saying it is deliberately wrecking any hope of a deal with the eu. mr hammond resigned when borisjohnson was elected as conservative leader, because of the new prime minister's willingness to leave without an agreement. mr hammond said a no—deal brexit would be a betrayal of the 2016 referendum result and is alarmed by mrjohnson‘s apparent unwillingness to compromise. the british people were offered a proposition that we could leave the european union while having a close relationship. they were told it would be

the easiest deal ever done. and all the evidence points to people wanting to maintain a close trading relationship with the eu to protect britishjobs and british prosperity and minimise disruption in the future. to set the bar for negotiations so high that we inevitably leave without a deal would be a betrayal, and the prime minister said he would get a deal and we want to see him deliver that deal. the family of 15—year—old nora quoirin have said their hearts are broken after her body was discovered in the malaysian jungle yesterday. the results of the post—mortem examination are expected this morning. in a statement, nora's family thanked everyone involved in the large—scale operation to find her. they said nora had brought people together and had truly touched the whole world. the office for national statistics says inflation, as measured by the retail price index, was 2.8%

last month, meaning many rail fares will go up by that amount next year. the rpi is used to determine the prices of 40% of tickets — campaigners say they should be determined by the lower cpi instead. cpi is 296. the contract to operate the west coast main line has been awarded to a partnership of firstgroup and the italian firm, trenitalia. it will replace virgin trains in december, running services connecting london, birmingham, liverpool and glasgow. the department for transport said the announcement was positive news for passengers. labour has outlined proposals that would prevent universities from offering places based on predicted grades. it says the current system is "deeply unfair" and that students should only be allowed to apply when they've had their exam results. but universities say changes would be complex. tv ads from us food giant mondelez and german carmaker volkswagen are the first to be banned under new uk gender

stereotyping rules. the advert for philadelphia cheese showed two fathers leaving a baby on a restaurant conveyor belt. the other, a vw ad, showed men being adventurous while a woman sat by a pram. back to victoria. we are going to show you the live pictures where we are awaiting a news conference in malaysia, where the police are due to update members of the media potentially on the postmortem investigation on the body of nora quoirin. in fact, investigation on the body of nora quoirin. infact, this investigation on the body of nora quoirin. in fact, this may be the police officer, or he could just be making arrangements. so bear with us one second. we want to bring this news c0 nfe re nce to one second. we want to bring this news conference to you live. it is taking place outside the hospital where the body of nora quoirin is being held. her body was discovered yesterday in the dusun resort where she was on holiday with her family,

her mum and dad and her brother and sister. she went missing on sunday august the 4th. there has been a huge search in the relation jungle for her since then, leading to the grim discovery of her body by a waterfall yesterday. we reported on the programme yesterday. her body was unclothed. the police have a lwa ys was unclothed. the police have always said they didn't necessarily think there was any criminal intent behind her disappearance. it remained a missing persons case. but the police say they were looking into all possibilities, including the angle of criminal investigation. we were come back to that as it looks like there is a delay before the conference begins. in the meantime, let's bring you this story. the family of this 12—year—old

girl who lost her life injune after drowning in a river in greater manchester have told this programme exclusively they believe institutional racism within the police force is why they're no closer to finding out what led to her death. i've been talking to shukri abdi's mother zam zam ture and her nephew mustaf omar, who helped to translate for shukri's mum, who speaks very little english. we were also joined by the family's lawyer attiq malik. before we hear from them, here's a reminder of what we know about what happened to the 12 year old. shukri abdi came to the uk two and half years ago with her mother and siblings. they were fleeing conflict in somalia. the 12—year—old was found unresponsive in the river irwell in bury. she had drowned. her parents say she couldn't swim, and wouldn't have gone into the river. greater manchester police investigated, and called the case a tragic accident. but the family question how the police could have come to that conclusion so quickly. the police watchdog, the iopc, is investigating

greater manchester police's handling of the case. the school shukri abdi went to is reviewing its anti—bullying policy. i want to ask you, zam zam, first of all, as shukri's mother, what the last few weeks have been like for you and your family? everyone have a difficult time. she has been in a lot of pain and it's been difficult for her. and can you tell our audience about shukri? what was she like? she speaks in own language. shukri was a sweet, young girl that, you know, she used to be a lot playful and a lot happy, but at the same time she was, you know, a bit grown over, as well, her age cos she used to help out

a lot with her mum. tell us about shukri's time at school. what was that like for her? she was happy when she first started going to school from year six and then year seven and she was making a lot of friends and, you know, she wasjust enjoying her time going to school and everything. but in the last year, i believe, you say that shukri was bullied. and did you report it to the school? do you believe the school knew what was going on with her? yes, they definitely knew. because you reported it? many times, yeah. many times. in this statement released on the school's website following shukri's death,

broad oak sports college said it would be reviewing all policies and procedures at the school. "in particular," they say, "we will focus on the school's anti—bullying policy and procedures and other policies relating to the welfare of children." so what is the family's view of the report that the school have done? in summary, one word describes it — whitewash. the conclusion of the report, essentially, just said that they were not aware of any bullying, and it is quite concerning because, from the outset, the family had been informed that zam zam would be interviewed for this. and one needs to look at the full context of this. the family are a family of refugees. they've come to this country from a warzone, only been in this country for three years, and like it or not, there is a lack of education and communication issue here. and to fully and effectively investigate this, common sense tells you that you would need to interview the mother to see what were

the contact points in the school, what was the nature of those contact points, who did they speak to? and the irony of it is, this was actually a suggestion by the school themselves. what are your concerns about the greater manchester police investigation into shukri's death? from the beginning when her daughter was missing for 30 minutes, she rang the police to report her daughter missing because it was totally out of character for her not to come home. and then after ten hours, when they when they actually told her that her daughter was found in a river, you know, she said she knew that her daughter would notjust go swimming, she knows her daughter — especially when fully clothed. and plus, she had to go to madrasa after — she had an exam in the madrasa. so she she knew her daughter wouldn't do that. she was normally... her daughter, she comes home straight away from school — she'd been doing that every day. so you, as the family, do not believe the police account, which is that shukri drowned and it was a tragic accident? we don't know exactly what happened at the river, but we know shukri very well and we know that she would not... and we know her character.

it's so out of character for shukri to go near anything that scares her. shukri's the kind of girl that if she is scared of a dog, sees a dog, she'll cross the road. she's not the kind of girl to... like, she's not brave to try new things or do new things. attiq malik, to say that the family doesn't believe the police account of what happened with the explanation, as mustaf has just said, because shukri couldn't swim, she wouldn't get in the water in full dress. and they said it's a hot day, but the shukris come from africa, you know? how can it be hot for her to go in a river? she's come from africa. it's, like, 30 degrees hotter there than it was that day. so they said, "oh, it's a hot day, so we advise people not to go in the river." it's a big thing for a family to say they simply don't believe the police account. what evidence do you have that it was anything other than a tragic accident? the fact of the matter is this. when a family is going through a difficult point like this,

they expect support and full investigation, responses by all the authorities around them. and in this case, when something so serious has happened and the police have turned around and within hours published a press release saying that there is no suspicious circumstances, that alone caused alarm bells. and then, following that, they have now changed their position and said, "we are still investigating." and so if this was nothing more than a tragic accident, the question is, what are you investigating? do you believe that you have been treated differently by greater manchester police because you are refugees? of course. why? she speaks in own language. she goes, well, she don't believe it because, especially with the communication and... cos she cannot get out

everything she wants to say... do you believe they've treated you differently because they are institutionally racist? she goes, "yeah. " and what's your view, as the family lawyer? across the country, there are often complaints from members of the bame communities of the police not giving their concerns a due weight. and in this situation, the family have seen how the police treat deaths. to turn around so quickly and do a public press release saying, "we do not believe there's anything wrong", the family's firm position is that they have only been treated in that way because of their race, and that had it been a different racial background, they may not have been treated that way, that more sensitivity probably would have been given, a more thorough investigation would have been done. and so that is their complaint and that is what the iopc are now investigating. yeah. so if the family was white

and british, you feel, the family feel, they may have taken more care, paid more attention? precisely. could it be that, you know, the family has suffered an incredible loss, you are grieving. it is natural sometimes in those circumstances to want to lash out, to want to blame, to find some individual, institution to blame. is is that a possibility? when families look forjustice, the question often asked is, what is justice? and in this situation, justice isn't, let's find somebody to blame. this is not what this is about. this is about the search for the truth, even if the truth is the same outcome the police have

found — that's fine. but treat us with respect, investigate the matter fully and properly. the independent office of police conduct, in a statement to our programme, who are now investigating greater manchester police over the way they investigated shukri's death, has said, that as part of their investigation, they will look at whether officers treated the family "less favourably because of their ethnic background". what do you make of that? so the iopc are going to be looking into the way that the police have handled this investigation from the outset notjust at the point of them making the announcement prematurely, but the iopc are also monitoring their current investigation and the way they have also been interacting with the family. because racism takes many forms, and it's notjust about, for example, in this case, not giving due weight to certain concerns, but sometimesjust the manner of speech. often, you know, we have complaints from people in establishment maybe speaking down to somebody, but sometimes the language used to somebody from a certain ethnic background, that in itself can trigger complaints.

and so the iopc are going to be looking at this holistically in terms of procedure, practice, engagement at the outset and continuing on during the current investigation. right. what do you, as the family's lawyer, want to happen next? we want the truth. we want the full investigation done, every single possible avenue explored by the police, so that the family can be satisfied that nothing more could be done, and proper weight and consideration given to all of their concerns and notjust swept under the carpet. thank you very much, all of you. let's just update you on the press conference that was due to take place at ten o'clock, our time in malaysia after the postmortem investigation into the death of nora quoirin, the london teenager whose body was discovered yesterday in the malaysia jungle. that has now been

delayed for another three hours. it is due to take place at one o'clock this afternoon, our time. is due to take place at one o'clock this afternoon, ourtime. malaysian police say the postmortem is going to ta ke police say the postmortem is going to take two more hours. thousands of students across england, wales and northern ireland will be receiving their btec results today, and thousands more their a—levels tomorrow. and the labour party has announced plans to overhaul the university admissions process. they've pledged to change the rules so that offers aren't made by universities to students until after they've received their grades. labour's shadow education secretary angela rayner explains why she thinks a new system would be fairer. we want to see a system that's actually based more on what you actually are able to achieve rather than what people believe you may be able to achieve through some predicted grade system. so it's a much fairer system — it's based on your actual results rather than what people feel you are able to achieve.

and it is the problem with predictions, when it comes to high attaining students from disadvantaged backgrounds, that they are disadvantaged backgrounds, that they a re often disadvantaged backgrounds, that they are often under predicted and that teachers often underestimate what they will get? yes, they are the groups that are under predicted. they are the ones who are most disadvantaged by that process. but also, it is fairerfor all disadvantaged by that process. but also, it is fairer for all students to do it this way. some people might say that once you have got an unconditional offer, that you take the brakes off when it comes to your study for a—levels. actually, we wa nt to study for a—levels. actually, we want to help students to ensure that every ounce of work that they do and their actual achievements will go towards them having more say over where they go in the future. i pay tribute to those students who get their results this week and who have got their btec results this week. i wa nt got their btec results this week. i want students to be able to achieve based on what they have done, rather than what their background is. and it's important to create a system where it is considered fair. across

the world, it is done differently, and we should learn from that and create a better and fairer society for our students. and yet there were record rates of 18—year—olds from disadvantaged backgrounds going to university, according to the government. there are, but it's a question which universities and where you to go. the problem with under predicting red results is that when it comes to clearing, trying to get into the top university that you consider to be the best place for you, is much harder when going through the clearing process and a lot of those offers have been made based on predicted grades. if your grade has been inflated and you have a better place than somebody who has worked hard and got a better grade but they can no longer find a place on the course they wanted to do, i think that is unfair. all students should be given fair access to go to the university of their choice. so you change to a system where stu d e nts you change to a system where students only apply for a place after getting their results, but there would not be enough time between the a—level results and the

start of the university term to allow it to work, so you would have to change the calendar year in terms of schools and higher education. what would you change it to? we said we consult with the sectors on this. across the world, this does happen. in other countries, the us do it this way as well as china and spain. so there are examples and i believe we can do that. if it means we have to twea k we can do that. if it means we have to tweak the timetable to enable that to happen and support is put in place for students, then that is a fair system and the onus is on us to do that. and let's not forget that the office for students and other organisations have recognised there isa organisations have recognised there is a problem. i am just saying what i believe is the right solution. on that debate, it has been said that disadvantaged students are most in need of impartial advice and if

applications were made after they had left school, they would not get that support from school, which they say is likely to make their situation worse. well, we continue to give support to students whilst they are in school, but there is a problem in england around careers guidance and support. but universities uk are saying specifically that if they get the results after they have left school and then decide which universities they want to apply for, there won't be any help for them. part of the reason we want to consult as to make sure the timetable allows for that support to make sure students do get help. that is the right way to go about it, not to say that the system is inflexible and we can't do it, so we have to continue with an unfair system. we have to look at the problems within the system and see how we can resolve them. all stu d e nts how we can resolve them. all students should get that support. at the moment, we have students who will go through the clearing process this week. they are on their summer holidays and they are having to rush around to try and find a university thatis around to try and find a university that is right for them. that is a

really pressurised system for young people. it is unnecessary and often unfair because it is based on predicted grades and that it is a mad rush to get them into university. the system is broken and this is a solution that i believe would be fairer and betterfor all students, including those from disadvantaged backgrounds, which is my passion, to ensure that our education system is fair for everybody. another big issue for the stu d e nts everybody. another big issue for the students who watch our programme, you have also promised to scrap tuition fees. jeremy corbyn tweeted again yesterday, reiterating that promise. how much will that cost? scrapping tuition fees is 9.5 billion. how would you pay for that? we would increase corporation tax, which is currently at i9%, and we would increase it up to 26% in the period of the next parliament. but even though highest earning graduates repay the largest share of their student loan, so they would

benefit most from scrapping tuition fees under your policy?” benefit most from scrapping tuition fees under your policy? i believe all students will benefit. but would you be proud of the fact that the highest earning graduates would benefit most from your policy of scrapping tuition fees? within our system of taxation, those who earn the most will pay the most once they get thosejobs. the most will pay the most once they get those jobs. that is a fairer system. let's not forget that we also said we would bring back maintenance support for students from low—income backgrounds, which isa from low—income backgrounds, which is a real problem for students from poorer backgrounds, sustaining themselves on these courses while they are at university. this government has done nothing to support them. in fact, their own report said they needed to look at the maintenance support for poorer stu d e nts the maintenance support for poorer students and they failed to act on it. student debt is increasing. the current system is in crisis and is unsustainable. i believe our national education service, free at the point of use, will unlock potential and build an economy for the future, whether we are in europe

or out of it. that is an important distinction between us and the conservatives. we have a plan on an industrial strategy alongside an education strategy that will deliver for the whole of the uk, where is the tories haven't got a plan for that. you left school at 16 without any qualifications. i did. that. you left school at 16 without any qualifications. idid. i had that. you left school at 16 without any qualifications. i did. i had my son at 16 and i left with no gcses above a grade d. so you are living proof that not everybody has to go to university to succeed. proof that not everybody has to go to university to succeedlj proof that not everybody has to go to university to succeed. i went back to school when i became a home carer. i went to a fe college and got a level two in care and worked my way through that, and i realised i was good at something. one of the challenges for our education system at the moment is that we tell too many young people that they are failures or that they have one chance or they are not good at something because they don't reach the magical unicorn or magical university that everyone says is the best place to go. i want to tell all the students this week to be the best version of yourself. enjoy your time at school, enjoy learning and

don't be pushed to do something that other people say you should do, do something that makes you happy, and you will be successful. finally, let me ask you about chris williamson, your labour me ask you about chris williamson, yourlabourmp me ask you about chris williamson, your labour mp culley, who we learn todayis your labour mp culley, who we learn today is going to sue your party for re—suspending him for remarks about anti—semitism. simple question — do you believe chris williamson is anti—semitic? you believe chris williamson is anti-semitic? chris williamson has been suspended for comments he made which he has regretted making. they we re which he has regretted making. they were comments that were very upsetting. but were they anti—semitic? upsetting. but were they anti-semitic? i don't know whether they were anti—semitic, but i do believe they were offensive. if somebody believes they thought they we re somebody believes they thought they were anti—semitic, that is something you have to address. he has apologised for those comments, which was the right thing to do. the suspension is a process that is outside of politicians like me. we don't deal with those issues. but i

would say we have a long way to go to ensure that we support everyone in society and make them feel valued and respected. offending people is not the way to go about it, and it is right that he apologised for that offence. angela rayner, thank you. thanks for your e—mails. we have had one saying i had to get certain guides and i got lower grades and still got given a place at newcastle. predicted grades are irreleva nt newcastle. predicted grades are irrelevant as they are often inaccurate. george says he is waiting for his a—level results tomorrow. good luck, george. he says, i think this new system of applying for uni wouldn't work because it would put more pressure on an already stressful time. and katty says, students should get places at uni based on their actual

grades. this ensures that people who wa nt grades. this ensures that people who want a seat will work for that seat. there will be difficulties for the universities, but it is not fair for hard—working students universities, but it is not fair for ha rd—working students not universities, but it is not fair for hard—working students not to be able to get a place where they want because all the places have gone due to predictive scores prioritising other students who may not have achieved the same level of grades. we will talk more about whether university is the best route for you to go down in a moment. before we do that, let's nip to malaysia to talk to our correspondent howard johnson. we were expecting a news conference earlier this morning. the london teenager nora quoirin was found in a jungle yesterday. howard johnson is outside the hospital where the postmortem is still taking place. presumably that is the reason for the delay of the news conference? yes. in the last half hour, wejust news conference? yes. in the last half hour, we just found out that this will be pushed back by another

three hours with another press conference in three hours' time. so far, the senior pathologist who came from kuala lumpur to seremban, the city close to the dusun resort, has been working for seven hours. he needs two more hours according to the police to continue this postmortem examination of nora's body and we will find out the details at apm local time, one o'clock in the afternoon in the uk. 0k, ok, and what else can you tell us? we have been speaking to the hiking team, volunteers who went out into thejungle area team, volunteers who went out into the jungle area close to the dusun resort i read 1:30pm yesterday, and they found the body of nora quoirin next to a stream. they say it was in a very hilly area a mile away from the dusun resort, in a plot of land used for durian fruit and also palm oil plantations. but the area where they found nora was up in a hilly area and they say when they

approached the stream there was an l—bend in the river then they found nora next to the stream. they didn't give any more details than that. we are waiting to hear details about how nora died exactly, but let's not forget the details from yesterday. she was found without any clothes on. we also know that the family haveissued on. we also know that the family have issued a statement this morning in which they say nora has brought people together, especially from france, ireland, malaysia, britain, in her love —— their love and support for her, they say she has truly touched the world and they say they can't thank everybody at home enough for all of their love. thank you for that, howard johnson. let's return to the conversation about universities and a—levels and whether that is still the best route to getting a job. we can speak now to deirdre heenan who is a former pro—vice—chancellor of ulster university and currently

is professor of social policy with expertise in education. also to lucy french who is currently doing a digital marketing apprenticeship, alex durrant, who didn't go to university — he did an apprenticeship in accountancy and now runs a dating app he set up with a friend, and izzy posen, who is going into his third year at the university of bristol. are really quick response from all of you to the labour party's suggestion that they scrap the current system, wait until you have your grades, then apply. deirdre heenan, what do you think? element in theory it is a good idea. of course better to make offers based on actual grades rather than predicted grades but, when i heard it described as a tweak to the system, you know, this will be a massive change to the education system that would be complex challenges for all involved. the fa ct challenges for all involved. the fact is predicted grades is not the only way we offer places to students, it is part of a holistic view based on personal statements, assessments, etc, so i think they have conflated assessments, etc, so i think they have co nflated a assessments, etc, so i think they have conflated a number of issues in

their proposals. lucy, briefly, what do you think? i think it will allow more time for people to actually think about if university is what they want, so they will not get their offers before they have their grades, well then it allows them more time to think of university if it is definitely the route they want to go down, just more time to reflect on the sorts of things. like my izzy, what difference would it have made to you? -- izzy, what difference would it have made you? sorry, i said difference would it have made you? sorry, isaid izzy. difference would it have made you? sorry, i said izzy. sorry. that is all right. i don't think it would have made a major difference. i did receive the grades i was predicted so receive the grades i was predicted soi receive the grades i was predicted so i think it would be the same for me. k. alex, there were not enough reasons for you to go to university -- 0k. what reasons for you to go to university —— 0k. what did reasons for you to go to university —— ok. what did you choose?” reasons for you to go to university -- ok. what did you choose? i chose accountancy, of all things, so not the most glamorous start. how did

you do your accountancy exams? element i actually worked in an apprenticeship in my hometown of great yarmouth, through continued education, and that was basically accountancy exams based on my professional working life. lucy, like alex, you were with an increasing number of people who choose to do and in 20 ship instead of going to university. for those who don't understand what you are doing, explain it —— an apprenticeship. it is part study and pa rt apprenticeship. it is part study and part working on the job. it is it just a really good opportunity to be ina just a really good opportunity to be in a working environment and it is not different at all to being in full—time employment. you just have the extra part of the curriculum and having to do the studies as well, but, i mean, you will get a qualification out of it as well. presumably you get paid but the salary is less than if you are doing it full—time? salary is less than if you are doing it full-time? yes, you would be on an apprenticeship wage, but that is

better than not doing anything at all. you don't have to tell me. do you mind first night asking what the apprenticeship wage as you are earning at the moment? it is around the £16,000 mark, but some could be higher. itjust the £16,000 mark, but some could be higher. it just depends the £16,000 mark, but some could be higher. itjust depends on where you go, what industry you are in, all those different factors. alex, what was the split when you were doing accountancy as an apprentice, the split in a week of study versus working in the office? yes, well, it was a full—timejob working in the office? yes, well, it was a full—time job so i had to do my a0 hours a week, and there was additional time on top of that to be spent on study outside work. so as a rule it was probably 10—15% of the overall working week. ok. deirdre heenan, i mean, we know loads of people are going to university still, but do you see an increasing route for young people to earn

money, like 16,000 times a year, and get a qualification, and still study? i think what we're seeing as there should not be one route into a professional career and, yes, many people still choose to go the university route, the traditional route, as it were. if you look at the statistics, we have gone from around i2% of school leavers in the late a0s going to university to northern ireland we are up to 51%. my northern ireland we are up to 51%. my worry is for some students they think that is the only way to advance in a career, whereas i think we need to put more emphasis on other routes, and i am very interested at your contributor talking about apprenticeships. i think they are an excellent way to get into the career of your choice. and it gives you that choice to be in office, to understand what the job actually entailed, and also to earn some money. the difficulty we see is increasingly students are lumbered by debt, even if they get a place and they don't have to pay their fees place and they don't have to pay

theirfees up place and they don't have to pay their fees up front, it is their pa rents their fees up front, it is their parents that are having to pay for accommodation, it is their parents that are having to support them through university, and increasingly thatis through university, and increasingly that is a burden that they don't wa nt to that is a burden that they don't want to put on their parents, or indeed their parents simply can't afford to have more than one child at university. that is true but, you know, the government says there are record rates of eight —— of 18—year—olds still going to university despite what you have just said about debt? indeed, because i think many think it is the only way they can get to where they wa nt to only way they can get to where they want to be but i think the reality is we need to look more at vocational training, apprenticeships, and also part—time study or study where you come in. our university, for example, is known for the fact that we have placement years while they make the stu d e nts placement years while they make the students have the opportunity to leave for a year to earn and that means they are also looking at the industry of their choice and ensuring that that is actually where they want to be. izzy, why was bristol university the one for you? why was university life the thing for you? i think the thing to be

understood is that university's primary aim is not employment, it is also something you get out of university, but i think university is also academia. people go there because they want to diss —— to study and lots of degrees doubt immediately lead on to work. for me personally, i love studying, i love academia, i love university and it was worth all the hard work i did to get in, but i don't think it is for everyone. i think some people would definitely be better off going through the root of a vocational training oran through the root of a vocational training or an apprenticeship. in fa ct, training or an apprenticeship. in fact, especially my university, bristol is, where there is a mental health crisis now, lots of suicides in the last few years, and ijust don't think university is for everyone. however, people are academically minded and want to spend three years just studying for the sake of studying then university is absolutely the right choice. and having fun! and having fun, but in

vocational training, you get a head start, and some pay income and not so start, and some pay income and not so much debt, then is the fun really worth it, if you are not academically minded? fair point. would you say you are having a brilliant time, izzy? absolutely, yeah, the best years of my life so far, definitely. so far. you don't know what is to come. let me read this e—mail so i welcome the overhaul of the system of predicted grades. it is not going to be an overall actually, but a suggestion from the labour party that they promise to do it by the end of the parliament if they get elected. this one. pressure to over predict stu d e nts one. pressure to over predict students grades, from a teacher. this one, i often have to predict two grades above, just so the student will receive an offer, despite my professional judgment. the attitude is"just do it so they will get something," and unconditional offers are the worst. stu d e nts unconditional offers are the worst. students often get these three months before their exams then don't bother revising or coming to lessons

because they don't have to. what do you think of that, izzy, from a teacher come over predicting deliberately so a sixth former gets an offer? i think this goes together with the idea now that we have that everyone's aspirations should be to go to university, and i think it is not doing good to many students because i don't think everyone should be going to university. sorry, i didn't mean to cut you off in mid—flow. sorry, i didn't mean to cut you off in mid-flow. i think those who want to dedicate three years of their time for study and don't have as their primary aim to be employed then university is for them but if people are just looking for full—time employment i think they are better off without university. thank you very much, thank you. good luck, of you. thank you for coming on the programme. take care. thank you. the former chancellor, phillip hammond, has accused borisjohnson's government of deliberately wrecking any chance of a brexit deal, by making demands the eu will never accept.

mr hammond says a no—deal brexit would be a betrayal of the 2016 referendum result. our political correspondent nick eardley is in westminster for us. why does he say it would be a betrayal? ella mackie thinks it wasn't offered during the referendum campaign and because of that it is not what people want —— campaign and because of that it is not what people want -- well, he thinks it wasn't offered. he said the public would much rather end up with a deal and are fairly close relationship with the european union after we leave. how do you do that? well, borisjohnson says he wants to get a new deal with europe by ripping out the backstop, the insurance policy that is supposed to stop those hard checks on the island of ireland in any circumstance. but philip hammond is saying, well, you've probably set the bar too high by demanding that. it is something europe has consistently said it won't do, and you may well be setting the uk up for a fall. have a listen...

talking until a few weeks ago about the need to change the terms of the backstop and i think, although that would not have been an extremely difficult discussion, it was a tough negotiating position. but pivoting to say that the backstop has to go in its entirety, a huge chunk of the withdrawal agreement just scrapped, is effectively a wrecking tactic. the people behind this know that that means there will be no deal. "the people behind this" — meaning? look, those who are pulling the strings in downing street, those who are setting the strategy. borisjohnson has told me, privately, and he has told the country publicly, that he is determined to get a deal and confident that he can get one. but i fear there are other people around him whose agenda is different. if there is no deal philip hammond is one of the tory mps spending their summer on the phone, e—mailing, speaking about how they can blow a no deal that is what it

comes to. he is not the only one. there are 20 who have written to borisjohnson this saying they think his red lines are too strict as well. all of this is setting up an almighty battle in parliament when m pss almighty battle in parliament when mpss return in september because borisjohnson is absolutely mpss return in september because boris johnson is absolutely adamant that at the end of october, no matter what happens, the uk leaves —— mps return in september. adding into the mix, the speaker says he will help mps trying to impose their will help mps trying to impose their will on the government if it comes to that, and you can see already september will be a busy month in brexit land. thank you very much, nick. it certainly is. thank you. the nhs has told this programme it's working to minimise disruption following a shortage of liquid food given to people who are seriously ill. the situation has affected patients who are unable to digest food normally and are instead dependent on a type of intravenous feed.

it's been reported that several patients including a child have been admitted to hospital with malnutrition as a result. restrictions were placed on the main supplier of the liquid food, calea, last month by the medicines and healthca re products regulatory agency, after a routine inspection identified problems in calea's production process. the nhs has now declared an emergency incident, and patients, carers and clinicians in england are being warned the shortage in supplies could go on for longer than expected. in a moment we'll speak to lauren mitchell. she's 21 and lives near stansted airport in essex. she was diagnosed with chronic intestinal pseudo—obstruction when she was seven and has used intravenous fluids to keep her self alive for 13 years. but first here's our health correspondent james gallagher. what was going wrong with this firm's production processes that saw this agency step in. yes, these

routine drug inspections rid of all suppliers, they went on and they found an issue with bacterial contamination. there was not an issue with actual products manufactured but they found the company was not completely complying with the set out rules and they found there was a risk of bacterial contamination, and there was some dangerous bacteria on the site, and what they did is said things need to change coming need to step up, and the response is there has been a dramatic reduction in the amount of this intravenous fluid produced by the company and that is what is causing the problems for what is thought to be hundreds of patients up thought to be hundreds of patients up and down the country. ok, with what kind of impact? you have to think that if any of us decided to go to the supermarket and found all the shelves were empty, because if you are not getting the food delivered to your home, you know, this is not just delivered to your home, you know, this is notjust topping up — this isa this is notjust topping up — this is a complete dependency on these for all of your nutrition, all of your vitamins and minerals, salts, sugars, calories, fats, everything

is coming from these bags which is delivered intravenously and they are tailored specifically, in most cases, to each individual patient as well. that is causing huge problems for people actually getting the food they need in order to live. which is really dramatic, actually, really dramatic consequence of this. so there is a shortage now. how long will the shortage go on for? element we actually don't know the answer to that at the moment. -- well, we actually don't know. the company said they would have it sorted in four weeks but nhs england is saying it will take longer than that to get supply back up to normal. a couple of things are being done in response. firstly, the nhs is rationing what it has got. thinking, how do we make sure we get the rights apply to the right patients? who are the highest risk patients we can give these foodstuffs too? also, can give these foodstuffs too? also, can we get extra supply in from other countries? is there an alternate supply we can turn to in order to ensure people are getting the food they need to live? thank

you very much, james. let's talk to lauren. lauren mitchell, good morning to stop thanks for talking to us. how dependent are you on this intravenous completely. i eat very little. i have never eaten very much. some days i don't eat at all. sol much. some days i don't eat at all. so i rely on it completely. it is the fluid that keeps me alive, it always has been. why do you need this fluid? what condition do you have? like you said, i have chronic intestinal pseudo—obstruction. i can't absorb... if i was to eat anything at all, my body can't absorb the majority of the vitamins and nutrients that come within that, so and nutrients that come within that, so my body can't absorb the facilities it needs to keep itself alive, so without this intravenous

fluid my body is not getting the vitamins, nutrients and everything else it needs to sustain itself. what issues are you having now with supply of this feed? well, i'm not getting any. at all? not from calea, no. i getting any. at all? not from calea, no. lam getting any. at all? not from calea, no. i am getting what is cold an off—the—shelf bag from my hospital, but i am getting less of them than i would usually use —— what is called an off—the—shelf bag. less than i would have from calea. these off—the—shelf bags are not tailored to me specifically. they are a generalisation of what it could be, not tailored to my needs or my body and so the consequences of that is it has actually made me very ill. you say it for us. total...

parenteral nutrition. and you said, lauren, it is making you ill. in what way? sigh my tiredness, lethargic knits, nausea, sickness, vomiting —— lethargic knits, nausea, sickness, vomiting -- yes, tiredness, lethargy, nausea, sickness, vomiting, headaches, anything you can think of. it is the school holidays but i have not been able to spend any time with my brothers because i have been more or less housebound for the last two weeks. because i have not been getting the food that i need. my body is used... for the last 13 years it has been used to being given one certain thing every single day of the week for 12 hours and now all of a sudden someone has turned round and said, actually, we can't make it, you can't have it. you said the replacement you are getting is not tailored to you specifically, but also is there

enough of the replacement? are you hungry? yes and no. i'm not hungry, as such, no matter, because i don't feel hunger, but —— no, because i don't feel hunger, but my bodyis because i don't feel hunger, but my body is confused. it doesn't know what is going on. it has gone from being very stable on my tailored tpn to being given something it is not used to and has completely different ingredients. it has completely different ingredients and a lot more of them, well then it has gone into a bit of melt down my body because it is not used to it, doesn't know what is going on. will you be able to get by, to cope, until the original firm's to get by, to cope, until the originalfirm's production is back up originalfirm's production is back up and running? i hope so. i can't... i

up and running? i hope so. i can't. .. i hope up and running? i hope so. i can't... i hope so. there's not much more i can say than that. yes, i probably will, because i am stable enough at the moment that it will give me maybe a few dess' leeway but it is quite likely that if this goes on for any longer than necessary dislike that i will end up in hospital the next few weeks —— a few daysl leeway. i really hope that happen, lauren. iwish daysl leeway. i really hope that happen, lauren. i wish you all the best. you may be interested in this e—mailfrom keith. best. you may be interested in this e—mail from keith. he best. you may be interested in this e—mailfrom keith. he says, iam also in this problem and i would also in this problem and i would also add that i am in need of the food and liquid. i cannot eat, nor cani food and liquid. i cannot eat, nor can i drink water, so without these idie. can i drink water, so without these i die. this is an issue that the firm calea have known about since 2015, says keith. so it is clearly an issue affecting a number of people. thank you very much for your

time this morning, lauren. thank you. do you let your children take their mobile phone to bed? a new study out today links social media use to a lack of sleep and mental health problems. the report, which drew on evidence from interviews with 10,000 teenagers aged 13—16, claims that social media doesn't necessarily cause harm in itself, but that increased exposure to bullying and harmful content, loss of sleep and cyberbullying might result in worse mental health. it found that these factors were particulalry harmful for girls. let's talk now to trinity bradford who is 13 — and uses instagram and snapchat — and her mum claire — they've had travel issues this morning so are sitting in a cafe in south london. in south london. you are both very resourceful, claire and throw—mac, thank you very much!

viktoria venkatess is also here to tell us about her bad experience with social media and how it affected her mental health in her teens. and russell viner is one of the report's authors. i will start with claire and trinity, if i may. how much time do you spend on your phone each day, trinity? quite a lot of time. i would say about an hour and a half. but it is quite tempting, although i try to trim it down, if you have your phone there. how often would your phone there. how often would you say that you check your phones? about five times a day, something like that. it varies. if i am doing something... is that accurate, claire? is it really five times a day and she spends only an hour and a half... it is very, very difficult to tell. her sister is a bit older than herand to tell. her sister is a bit older than her and uses it a lot. i know i am also guilty of checking a lot. you are pretty good, actually, but i

think the problem, like the report says, is in the evenings, because you can't be with him all the time. obviously when they are very small you know a little bit about what they are looking at, cbeebies and that kind of thing, but when they are olderand that kind of thing, but when they are older and have internet on their phones and are in their bedroom and things it is more difficult. i think it might be more some days. do you let trinity and her 16—year—old sister take their phones to bed? we try to limit it, but... but they do sometimes? if it is a school day then no. your sister is a phone... generally would take it to bed anyway. let me bring in russell, one of the report was my authors. what is the problem with parents allowing their kids to take their phones to bed? we found that social media use,

when you are accessing social media very frequently, that if young people have disturbed sleep they end up people have disturbed sleep they end up with poorer mental health later and poor well— being, particularly up with poorer mental health later and poor well—being, particularly in girls. there is a lot of hype around social media. people say smartphones, social media, they ruin a generation, the effect people's development, but we were trying to get a sense of what really was the pathway between using social media a lot and mental health problems. we did find a link but we found sleep, cyber bullying and activity were more important than using social media and effects of social media on mental health only revealed when they went through those three things. like interesting is that as you say, not about the screens but the fact that the use of social media is displacing other activities including sleep? yes, so displacement of the things that we

know keep teenagers healthy and parents have known this for years. good sleep, physical activity and socialising in the real world. the things that keep us healthy. the things that keep us healthy. the thing is enabling harmful content. cyber bullying or websites that are harmful. in the same way, we have known that books and bullying and magazines can be harmful to young people's mental health. let me bring in viktoria the stop will have a couple of minutes left at the end of the programme, but i want you to tell audience about the link between your use of social media as a teenager and impact on your mental health? is a young teenager i was struggling with mental health issues well then i was vulnerable... already? yes, before social media, but then coming across graphic content on social media sort of influenced me at young age and it then made my mental health worse, but i wouldn't blame social media because i was vulnerable to it before. but then it also, in my

later teenage years, i managed to turnit later teenage years, i managed to turn it into something positive, well they might people showing coping mechanisms and things like that, —— so through people showing coping mechanisms and things like that. do you acknowledge the positives? sigh absolutely. social media is part of young people's lives, the genie is out of the bottle. most of the thai people are just chatting? absolutely, a lot of positivity. —— just chatting? absolutely, a lot of positivity. — — most just chatting? absolutely, a lot of positivity. —— most of the time people are just chatting? it is only harmful when it displaces healthy stuff or actually enables harmful content to come through. are you telling parents they really should not allow children to take phones to bed with them and should remove phone night at ten o'clock at night? we think parents should worry less about how much their young people are on social media and checking it frequently, and worry more about how much sleep they are getting, how much sleep they are getting, how much physical activity they are

getting, going out with real—world social interaction, and parents should protect them from cyber bullying in the same way they protect them from actual bullying. knowing who they are with, who their friends are, and what stuff they are seeing and reading. parents have always done that really well, and they need to have the skills and the confidence to do that in the online world like they have done in the real world. that is really, really sensible advice. thank you so much, all of you. thank you, claire and trinity, sorry about the journey again. thank you for your time today. we will be back tomorrow at ten o'clock. have a lovely day. bbc news and live is next. —— newsroom life. good morning. a rather wet start to the day, that rain will continue and bring thunderstorms across central and eastern areas of england this afternoon. further west, little

drier but still quite drizzly across southern areas and particular. showers in northern england, dry for most of northern scotland and northern ireland but rain backing and maximum temperatures here. through tonight, a lot of that rain will come in from the east and showers across scotland and northern ireland, but for many a first night there will be some clear spells, not quite as chilly as last night, temperatures for many back up in double figures. for thursday morning there could well be a few showers around but those were largely clear away and from of us on thursday a better day than today with some sunny spells, and little warmer as well. as we go into friday and the weekend, more wet and windy weather on the way. goodbye for now.

you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's 11am and these are the main stories this morning. former chancellor philip hammond launches an attack on the prime minister, accusing him of wrecking the uk's chances of getting a deal with the eu. by setting the bar at the level of removing the backstop altogether, they are effectively ending any possibility of a discussion with the european union. the family of nora quoirin say they're heartbroken as they await the results of a postmortem examination to try to establish how she died in malaysia. really struggling with grief and i feel the same, to lose a child.