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this is bbc news, the headlines: the us pharmaceutical giantjohnson &johnson has been ordered by a judge in oklahoma to pay a fine of more than $500 million for fuelling an epidemic of pain—killing opioids in the state. the ruling is being seen as a test case for litigation against drugs companies across the united states. president trump is considering the prospect of meeting his iranian counterpart, following a diplomatic effort by france's president macron. mr trump said the talks could take place if the circumstances were right. iran's foreign minister made an unscheduled visit to the summit but did not meet the president. the g7 nations have agreed a fund of $22 million to help countries in the amazon to fight fires that are devastating the rainforest. president macron also announced that there would be an international initiative to examine ways to reforest the damaged areas.
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bolton wanderers‘ future as an english football league team remains in doubt, as the latest rescue deal collapsed. the league one club has been set a deadline of 5 o'clock tuesday evening to convince the efl they can stay in business. administrators say unless a takeover deal can be agreed, they'll put the 145—year—old club into liquidation and start closing it on wednesday. here's our sports correspondent andy swiss. newsreel: nat lofthouse charges in and there's bolton's second goal! it is one of england's oldest and most historic clubs. bolton wanderers have scored the fourth cup victory of their history. fa cup winners, premier league regulars until recently, but how times change. this year has seen bolton fans protesting against their owners, with the club mired in financial problems, and now it's on the brink. a takeover has collapsed and, barring developments, administrators say they will start closing it down this week.
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fans are fearing the worst. it would just be so, so sad that a club of this long—standing history — one of the founding clubs in the league — would just cease to exist. having been a fan my whole life, ijust can't imagine that happening, and nor can anybody else. but if these people don't do the right thing, that's where this is headed. here at bolton it's already been a pretty challenging season. they've had to field mainly youth team players, their manager has just resigned, and they've lost their last two matches 5—0. but it seems the crisis here could get even worse. one of the club's greatest goal scorers, like the fans, can only wait and hope. it's got to the stage now where frustration has taken over, it really is. and you feel so sorry for the supporters that back this club to the hilt. they just want to see something happen. and bolton's not the only club fighting for its survival.
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tomorrow is also bury‘s deadline to complete their sale, or potentially face expulsion from the football league. for two clubs with between them, centuries of history, a pivotal 2a hours. andy swiss, bbc news, bolton. now on bbc news, extra time. welcomed to extra time. our guest todayis welcomed to extra time. our guest today is an international foot although with over 100 caps in a clu b although with over 100 caps in a club career which is taken over by the united states and three english clu bs to the united states and three english clubs to juventus the united states and three english clubs tojuventus in italy where she helped to a league and cup double. she's made news of pitch, most notably she's made news of pitch, most nota bly two she's made news of pitch, most notably two years ago in what she has described an explicitly racist remark by coach mark samson started a series of disputes about whether the english football association itself is a racist organisation.
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eniola aluko meanwhile will have a roa n eniola aluko meanwhile will have a roan views about how the women's game can develop after this you's world cup. and that's way we will start. eniola alu ko, world cup. and that's way we will start. eniola aluko, welcome to this edition of extra time. by general consent, it's fair to say the women's world cup was an enormous success , women's world cup was an enormous success, massive women's world cup was an enormous success, massive tv audiences, worldwide, improved playing standards, and in the united states of america. expected or surprised? i wasn't surprised at all with united states winning. had the experience of playing in the states for a
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number of different clubs and friends with a lot of those girls on the team. theyjust have a relentless winning mentality that is just far above and beyond anyone else in the world right now. but the tournament as a whole was a success. asa tournament as a whole was a success. as a whole, absolutely. i was lucky enough to be covering it with an american broadcaster and every day behind the scenes, there was new records being broken in terms of audience figures. there are to be 25 million people watching france and brazil quarterfinal or ten, 11 million people watching bbc in england against usa, it was just groundbreaking and i think every time women's foot fall on an international global stage is put in front of the world, they lapped it up front of the world, they lapped it up and they loved it. there is a huge appetite for the game now. and yet history tells us interest will tail off once the players return to their domestic league. is there any reason for optimism that the women's
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game my take—off? reason for optimism that the women's game my take-off? that is the challenge, you are right to identify that because we don't women's football to be an event every four yea rs, football to be an event every four years , we football to be an event every four years, we wanted to be a regular thing that people go and watch every week so i think the challenge for clu bs week so i think the challenge for clubs particularly in england is to really harness the fan bases that are already existing server arsenal and chelsea and manchester city and liverpool, put the games on before the men's games. and what about where you play now? in italy, similar. last year, we played fiorentina at the allianz stadium with juventus and fiorentina at the allianz stadium withjuventus and it's sold out but when can thus become more consistent? three, four, five times a year so we are consistent? three, four, five times a year so we are building fan bases to really start having women's football as a habit because football asa football as a habit because football as a habit is a religion in this country and in many other countries and that's what women's football can be if fans turn up or regularly every week. fans might vote with their remote controls when it comes
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to free to add television and it's a question of supporting a national side but they won't vote with their feet to what your club side in the middle of winter. i think they will. i think when you are passionate about the team and players and have about the team and players and have a sense of community with a club, you will go out in the snow, wind, rain, lightning. that's what football fa ns rain, lightning. that's what football fans do. but attendance is in women's football in england aren't good. 900 or so. they haven't been. and attendances at the world cup won't especially good. france for whatever reason, people only wa nted for whatever reason, people only wanted to watch france. that was sold out. i'm not sure why that is but in terms of women's football, the problem has been the marketing, the problem has been the marketing, the problem has been the marketing, the problem has been the broadcasting. it's not in people's conscious to go out and watch. now it is. how do you change that? i think it is about saying, first of
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all the marketing, make it so visible that people can't get away from it because frankly, that's what it feels like with men's football sometimes, even when you're trying to get away from it, it's everywhere but also harnessing, as i said, harnessing these fan bases so put on doubleheaders. chelsea women's team, my old club, they are playing spurs on the opening day of the season at sta nford on the opening day of the season at stanford bridge. we need to start putting major stadiums that people already associate big fan bases with and it's on occasion so people will pay and go and watch. you might regard this as a detail but which match would come first? the women's 01’ match would come first? the women's or men's? i'm concerned on your behalf that maybe if it is the women's, the fans will turn up late and if it's second, they will leave early. i think practically speaking, i believe it should be first because that's when the fan base, the bulk of the fan base is going to start coming. is the football association the right body to look after women's
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football in this country? as you know there is quite a big debate over whether the premier league should take over. i think the football association have done a great job, football association have done a greatjob, i think, football association have done a greatjob, ithink, with football association have done a greatjob, i think, with the league. they are now the best league in europe in terms of the w ——in terms of the level of competition and marketing, there is big sponsorship with berkeley ‘s, which is unprecedented around europe so i have to applaud the fa for what they've done with the league. i think they are missing a huge opportunity to partner with the premier league because it is a huge global football pray —— branded a lot of the top clubs are premier league clubs so it makes sense to harness the premier league brandon really that women's football off.“ they were to take over, the premier league have put an awful lot of store behind showing, around the
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world, a form of entertainment which is well attended. they have managed largely —— largely speaking to fill stadiums but they don't want to be associated with a spectacle which lacks that. absolutely, absolutely. the women's game has to build to the point there is a confidence level in attendance. but, it's a chicken and 999 attendance. but, it's a chicken and egg situation. if the premier league ta kes egg situation. if the premier league takes it on, then potentially people are going to come out in their d roves are going to come out in their droves to watch. you just don't know what comes first. i think either way, there is a risk element to it but that's entertainment. let's talk about you and there is a lot about you in this book here, they don't teach this, which is out now. you grew up teach this, which is out now. you grew up on a teach this, which is out now. you grew up on a council estate outside birmingham. what drove your interest in football? i was born with this ability, no—one taught me. no
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coaching? no coaching whatsoever. i learned on the estate, i was the only girl out of about ten boys and ijust had to figure it out. you said you were better than all of them. i was. said you were better than all of them. iwas. i probably was, actually. and i think that's what made me kind of a bit shocked about my disability that i was just born with and just dribbling around coke ca ns with and just dribbling around coke cans on the local estate, i think that street grid is in you and i think it's the story of a lot of layers, wayne rooney and all these quys layers, wayne rooney and all these guys that went on to do great things, they started out on the street. that is very much my story andi street. that is very much my story and i can relate to now. but you won't accepted by some of the pa rents of won't accepted by some of the parents of the boys were playing with. not about being a girl or the colour of your skin. what was it about? i do think it had a lot to do with me being a girl, actually. i grew up in the 90s and women's
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football, girls playing football still wasn't something that was in the society's consciousness and so i think the parents, they found it objectionable, particularly when i am dribbling around their son and making their son look bad, then it's like, no, shouldn't be allowed. so i very much felt like i was kind of doing something wrong. i felt like very much felt like i was kind of doing something wrong. ifelt like i was weird, being this girl that could play football and no—one else, no other girls,, could play football and no—one else, no othergirls,, i could play football and no—one else, no other girls,, i couldn't see other girls doing it.|j no other girls,, i couldn't see other girls doing it. i was playing ina other girls doing it. i was playing in a boys team. a bit confused? i was confused and there was a time i spoke about in the book where i didn't want to play football anymore because as a young kid you have this desire to be accepted in life and sober parents, if parents are screaming on the sidelines that they don't want you to play football, that really challenged my sense of a cce pta nce that really challenged my sense of acceptance and so i thought, well, i'll do something else, i'll play tennis because at the time, the williams sisters, serena and venus, we re
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williams sisters, serena and venus, were huge and prominent. i said to my mum,i were huge and prominent. i said to my mum, i want to beat my hair like venus williams because that was what was accepted so it was a challenge, it was a challenge but i think it came back full circle and i ended up playing all again and now i am here. your first club in 2001 was birmingham city and he first played for england in 2004 but you will also embarking on a law degree at university and that eventually resulted in a first—class degree. you your bets between put all and the law. i think that's the perfect way to put it. you haven't decided which way you are going to go? growing up, which way you are going to go? growin u women's which way you are going to go? growing up, women's football wasn't a career growing up, women's football wasn't a career path. it is now thankfully because there are not professional teams and leagues but when i was growing up, it wasn't. my parents very much said you have to go to school, do well in school, go to university and have a fallback position and i wanted to do that and do well in everything i did and so i
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did my a—levels, i went to university and i was inspired to become a lawyer by reading the book to kill ——to kill a mockingbird. atticus finch, the lawyer was my big inspiration, even though he wasn't real. i had to try and kind of balance this sort of plan and plan b of football and law and it wasn't until 2012 really, when the olympics happened, that i was able to then say, ok, this is actually a career path i can wallow and i can come back to law later. and this experience in law helped you through the episode which i described my introduction. i will set this up for you. you'd been defined in the uk by your dispute in 2017 with the former england coach mark samson which he regarded as a racist remark about yourfamily. he regarded as a racist remark about your family. he said regarded as a racist remark about yourfamily. he said you had your family wasn't going to bring the
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disease ebola over from family wasn't going to bring the disease ebola overfrom nigeria. what began was the end of his career asa what began was the end of his career as a coach although not specifically over the remark or the dispute that followed and the result was the end of your international career. now, two years later, what are your reflections ? first of all the comments were admitted by mark samson said there is no dispute about that. i don't think there's any dispute that there we re think there's any dispute that there were racist, the barrister who was conducting the investigation said it as such stop so i think that's very clear. but she did say that he was not a racist. i mean, that's an opinion was a moot point. the comments were racist so whether someone comments were racist so whether someone is racist for saying racist comments, i don't know. i think that the separate discussion but it's very important to say the comments we re very important to say the comments were deemed as racist and i thought they were too. and they are admitted. i think the most important lesson to take from that was that i had a choice to make. i had a choice
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to say, i'm probably going to lose my career as to say, i'm probably going to lose my career as a to say, i'm probably going to lose my career as a result of this. i haven't played since. but as a result, in standing and saying this is not acceptable, this is not something that an international player should have to go through, i would like to think that the procedures for complaints have changed, and the association, the whistleblowing complaints have changed although i didn't set out to bea changed although i didn't set out to be a was a well. and you are seeing a trend in the last three years all around the world of female players, whether it's new zealand, australia, usa, denmark, norway, ireland, saying this is not acceptable. we're not going to accept substandard conditions because we are women. we are not going to use it —— accept substandard conditions of our representing a devil dump i'm very much part of that wider
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conversation. but you spot the conversation, effectively well, the case did anyway. i don't set out to it was to be a confidential exercise will stop i was approached to give my feedback on the culture of the team, idid my feedback on the culture of the team, i did so very honestly. it was then linked publicly. and then i had to deal with that challenge. it became a very propagated —— obligate the story. it's important to say that the positive to bring out of that the positive to bring out of that and again what i address in the book is, you know, women being able to now say, in whatever circumstance, racism, sexism, equal pay, whatever it may be, been able to say actually, if it costs me something, i'm going to stand for what is going to benefit many other people. and it cost your career though, do you think it's worth it? i think it's fair to say that. people can argue either way and say you could have not been picked for england and that's very true.
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you could have not been picked for england and that's very truem isn't a bad career, maybe it was coming to an end. i'm glad you said that'll stop maybe it was coming to an end, you are 32 now.|j that'll stop maybe it was coming to an end, you are 32 now. i was 30 at the time in my last emperor in that ipaid 90 the time in my last emperor in that i paid 90 minutes so i don't think it was coming to an end at the time but, you know, everything in life happens for a reason. the door was magical as was top and you are still playing top—level football in italy. yes, andi playing top—level football in italy. yes, and i do know whether i would have been... had it way it had, i don't but i would be here now. two questions in one now, you have used to describe the institution as racist, are you still willing to do this? do you believe that the fa has absorbed the lessons of your case and is properly addressing the issue? yes, i refused to address them all label the fa is institutionally racist because i felt that it wasn't my place. i could in the comment on my own case.
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i could only comment on the issues of my case. the fa is a huge organisation, one that i had a very good relationship with, actually, up until the case and actually, even now when i talk about in the book, post case, i would like to think that we have a good relationship. i worked with the fa post case on addressing some of the whistleblowing procedures and the rules and policies, and just living on and being able to learn lessons from that. so i didn't want to put myself in that position to label and it's a big organisation. i had to deal with abbey five or six different people who were disappointing in the way they handled my case but the fa is much wider than that. as far as samson 's consent, he has apologised. have you accepted his apology? he hasn't apology —— hasn't apologised director. he apologised through a
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publication but i haven't spoken to him. you haven't spoken to him, ok. for me i think an apology is much better directly. so if you were to meet him as you walked out of the studio today, what with the apps for beulah? what with the conversation below? i speak about this in my book and you have to get to a point where you are able to forgive and you are able to deal with the pain of some difficult situations and take lessons from that. but also be able to have a conversation with the person that might have upset you or hurt you and say, you know what, actually, because i've dealt with that i am ok. and we can have a normal conversation. so i genuinely think that will be the case ocean well in his coaching career, i think everybody deserves a chance to rectify their errors and mistakes including me and i think that's the same feeling, i hope. annual sam sure that women foot bowlers should have equal pay to the men, this is an ongoing issue in american
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football. the total prize money for the ribbons woke up amounted to £30 million, for the men, 2018 it was £400 million. make your case for it —— for equal pay. £400 million. make your case for it -- for equal pay. i think the case for equal pay is individual. it depends it is a case—by—case basis. for us women's national team who are leading this case, they absolutely deserve equal pay because they are bringing in more money than the us men's team, that has been accounted for, that has been documented. now the most successful sports team in us history, and household superstars. so if anybody is going to achieve equal pay is going to be them. and it took so broken down, haven't they? the last few days? u nfortu nately. apparently haven't they? the last few days? unfortunately. apparently the united states federation said that the women's representative was aggressive and misleading. it was ——
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with their negotiations. aggressive and misleading. it was —— with their negotiationslj aggressive and misleading. it was —— with their negotiations. i can't really comment on the details of the case but what i can say is that i don't understand why the us federation do not accept that equal pay is the starting point stop it is not the destination. it should be the starting point for women's team who have put us soccer on the map. the men's team haven't. that'sjust a fact. absolutely, and they are the world champions. the captain has made an impression, alters your impression of her? she is one of my inspirations. because of what she stands for. and her unapologetic nature in doing so. and what i love about her is that she backs it up with performance. she backs it up in a curious way as well, the video hold of the world cup, i deserve this. it's a little bit egocentric, isn't it? did you think it would have been better if she said we
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deserve this? there is no i in team. i think it's cultural. i think england, we do wince a bit at... we area england, we do wince a bit at... we are a lot more reserved over here in england, i think in america... humility is not a bad thing, is it? humility is not a bad thing, is it? humility is not a bad thing, is it? humility is not a bad thing but if you are arrogant and you choose to be you need to back it up. and she has backed it up. she said you can't wina has backed it up. she said you can't win a championship with out gaze on your team. the designs was top what is sexuality got to do with whether you're a good foot or not?” is sexuality got to do with whether you're a good foot or not? i think aside from equal pay and notjust talking agape for them but it will pay for women, she is big on anti— homophobia and gay rights. so i think she is trying to make a point to say, i am a gay woman and this is what i represent. and i can be free in whoi what i represent. and i can be free in who i am and in my own skin. a
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lot of women gay men may not be. the question is whether she should be involving herself in washington or sexual politics. she's obviously been an outspoken critic of buds and trim. on the other question is whether anyone should take any notice of her. but, i think if you... wejust spent notice of her. but, i think if you... we just spent two minutes talking about her so doing herjob. in terms of politics... she doing it effectively —— effectively? absolutely. if you were to do a poll of millions of people, they would say that megan rapinoe has a huge impact on them and the conversation. you're not i was going to please people, that is what that overlap. you're not was going to please people and what you say understand that you take however, you can start conversations. you can challenge, you can say, even though this is the
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status quo, this needs to change. and i think that's what she's doing a snap there. and others, we have a responsibility, actually, to use our platforms for these kinds of conversations. he got his foot the bill in the back of the net and forget about the world was doubly impact the world, massively, and we can use our platform. so i think that's what she does, i think washington involved her, i think don sharp invited her and she said, i don't want to come. let's talk about your future. the females sports broadcaster, making big breakthroughs. i think it's fair to say that you are regarded as a success for a british broadcast in the world cup coverage last year, but you written a book about concerns at your appearances were tokenistic. were they? i don't know whether they were, i can't help being a black woman, that's who i am, that's who i was born to be. but i know that i would never have been hired if i was a bad pundit. the combination of the two depends on what people want to look at. do they wa nt to what people want to look at. do they want to look at my punditry skills
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or do they want to see me as a black woman? that's what tokenism is. people think that you are there just because of who you are. i decided to because of who you are. i decided to be the best possible token i could be. i mean, i can't change that. and you did your research, that's part of the key of it, isn't it?|j you did your research, that's part of the key of it, isn't it? i had to be, unfortunately or maybe fortu nately, be, unfortunately or maybe fortunately, as women, we have to be that much better than the guys. to earn our place, to earn a spot. and aside from the fact that i love football and i love needing out on all the stats, i felt like football and i love needing out on all the stats, ifelt like i needed to really be that prepared and so when i got on air, ifelt co mforta ble. when i got on air, ifelt comfortable. i felt free with the information that was in my head. i wasn't nervous, i got nevis a few times but it allowed me to feel more relaxed because i'm prepared. as nervous as you might fill in a courtroom? maybe that's the course you are going to take in the end?
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maybe, i love it barristers do. i trained as solicitor but maybe in the future education, being a barrister is as close as possible law is to the sport, that kind of winning and losing. so, maybe. i can see you arguing a case in the court of law somehow. i will remember that. nice to meet you, thank you very much. we're not done yet for the summer
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here, we will see temperatures about the 30 degrees mark across some spots in eastern england. nothing somewhere about the weather further to the north and the west, the rest in scotland, ireland, cloud and rain here, breeze as well. even added that there is a change for the south—west of england with charlotte in the first part of the day, gradually drifting to wales, the midlands and up to the north of england. the head budget confined to central and eastern parts of england, something a good deal fresher across northern and western parts stopped reducer evening and the first part of the night, anime from the wash to the north—east of england, to scotland, we could see torrential downpours and thunderstorms. following behind somewhat fresh conditions associated with the front across northern and western areas, still pretty steamy in the south—east. wednesday, says the transition away from that heat, something a good deal more unsettled and isolated stairs for the rest of the week.
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