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hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm joanna gosling. how to stop a no—deal brexit. jeremy corbyn will meet the leaders of the other opposition parties in about an hour's time and preventing a no—deal is the only thing on the agenda. i've been speaking to labour's main brexit man keir starmer. what we've got to do, very effectively is have one plan that is going to work to prevent no—deal brexit and we've got to implement it next week. and i've also been speaking to the lib dem leaderjo swinson who doesn't exactly see eye to eye with jeremy corbyn. massively over budget and behind schedule. the bbc has learnt the government knew this three years ago about hs2 — the new high—speed line linking london to birmingham and beyond. we'll have the details.
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and borrowing from the bank of mum and dad. parents are now spending so much money getting their children onto the housing ladder that it could hurt their retirement. we'll be discussing this with a generous mum. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. also, tens of thousands of british citizens born in the us but who left when they were children, just like our pm borisjohnson, could have their uk bank accounts frozen due to us tax policy. we're going to be talking to a british man who left the us when he was 15 months old. but now, over a0 years later, he's had his bank account frozen. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part
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in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. first, annita has the news. jeremy corbyn will meet other opposition party leaders this morning to discuss ways of preventing the uk from leaving the eu without an agreement. the labour leader has said he's open to different strategies — after coming under pressure to drop his plan to lead a caretaker government. the conservatives have said that alljeremy corbyn offered was chaos, delay and uncertainty. documents seen by the bbc show that the government and h52 knew that the new high speed railway was running over budget and was probably behind schedule years ago. the documents were written in 2016, before mps had signed—off the first phase of the project. until recently ministers and bosses at hs2 were insisting it was all on track. the department for transport said, "like all major projects, delivery plans evolve over time."
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bolton wanderers, one of the oldest clubs in english football, could today go out of business and be forced out of the league. they have until five o'clock to complete the sale of the club to new owners, but administrators say the process of closing the club down could start tomorrow. bolton have lost all of their matches in league one so far this season. changes to planning rules in england could see companies building taller phone masts. it's part of a wider government move to boost the roll—out of 56 networks and improve mobile coverage across britain, especially in the countryside. ministers have also launched a 30—million—pound competition for rural commuities to host new 56 technology schemes. parents spend so much money to get their children onto the housing ladder that they are now among the biggest lenders in the uk. that's according to a survey by legal and general which has found the average parental contribution to home—buyers this year isjust over £24,000, up by more than £6,000 on last year. the financial services firm warns that parents‘ generosity could leave britain's over—55s facing
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an uncertain retirement. and joanna will be chatting to one of those generous parents a little later in this programme. the brazilian government has said it will reject an offer of aid from g7 countries to help tackle fires in the amazon rainforest. brazil's president, jair bolsonaro, accused other nations of treating brazil like a colony. £18 million had been promised in emergency funding forfirefighting equipment and military assistance. fewer than one in ten teenagers in the uk are getting the recommended amount of sleep, exercise and screen time, according to a new study. children should have at least eight hours sleep and spend an hour a day doing moderate to vigorous exercise according to guidelines drawn up by canadian researchers. only two hours at the very most should be spent in front of the tv or computer screen.
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the glamourous outfits and the glitter balls were out in force last night for the launch of the latest series of strictly come dancing. among the 15 celebrity dancers putting their best foot forward was bbc breakfast‘s mike bushell. bookmakers have suggested that mike is the favourite to leave the show first — but he says he will "make up for a lack of technical ability with energy". that is the main news today. jeremy corbyn will host fellow opposition leaders in his office in parliament in about an hours time to discuss their tactics on blocking a no—deal brexit. we can probably expect the ongoing row over who would lead a caretaker government to be discussed, along with how to extend britain's 31st october eu departure date. the snp, the lib dems, plaid cymru, the green party and the independent group for change will be there. at the end of the g7 summit in france yesterday, the prime minister borisjohnson said he was "marginally more optimistic" about striking a new brexit deal with the eu and he's reportedly sending his chief brexit adviser to brussels for talks this week.
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labour's shadow brexit secretary keir starmer spoke to us about how the party plans to stop mrjohnson in his tracks. the purpose of today is to bring different people together, different opposition leaders and try to agree one plan going into next week. that we can all get around. now of course there has been many options, a vote of no confidence is one option an alternative, the one we used back in march, april the last time we faced a no—deal scenario was to seize the proceedings in parliament and to pass legislation, and there are other options so what we are really saying is let us look at the strengths and weaknesses of the option, let's see where people can ee, option, let's see where people can agree, let's try to put our tribal differences on one side, because
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what we've got to do effectively is have one plan that is going to work to prevent no—deal brexit, and we have to implement it next week. lots of discussion going on over the summer, whatjeremy corbyn is trying to do is pull that together, to make sure that we can get thailand right for next week. what i would say to jo swinson and i don't want to get into an argument with her by any stretch of the imagination is let us approach this not by saying what we won't do but thinking about what we will do. in order to achieve that end, isn't a vote of no—deal and a new interim government opposed to a no—deal brexit the cleanest way to chive it and the most certain way to achieve it, because you talk about legislation, that is not necessarily a clear a path because you don't know how the government will react? iam not know how the government will react? i am not sure i agree with that analysis, if you pass legislation, that makes it unlawful for the prime minister to leave without a deal,
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thatis minister to leave without a deal, that is legislation, and that is about as clear as clean and effective as you can get. there are discussions going on about what that might look like what it might include but there is an advantage in going for a root that says it should be legislation, particularly if the majority in parliament supports it. because boris johnson majority in parliament supports it. because borisjohnson may think he can push parliament away, boris johnson may think he can shut down parliament but boris johnson, johnson may think he can shut down parliament but borisjohnson, no prime minister is above the law. when you talk about legislating against a no—deal brexit, i mean, obviously it is notjust this government that needs to say there has to be no—deal, it would entail goes back to the european union, asking for an extension to article 50, even under those terms it is possible that were boris johnson still prime minister and put on that path he could go to europe and say i don't accept the terms and we would still end one a no—deal brexit.
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don't accept the terms and we would still end one a no-deal brexit. that is one thing we are having to look at. how do we make it effective against a prime minister like boris johnson. i always thought and this is the difference i thought that theresa may had, whatever other deferences, had a deep sense of public duty. she understood the consequences for the country leaving without a deal. i think we are dealing with a different prime minister, who is less concerned about the implications for the country, and more concerned with himself, and therefore which have to think about how we make that effective and that will be part of the discussions this morning. effective and that will be part of the discussions this morningm thatis the discussions this morningm that is what you think you are dealing with it, it goes back to the previous point we were discussing, isn't the only certain way to have a vote of no confidence, to get him o out and for labour not to be be holden thejeremy corbyn being the interim prime minister. it is a red line you think thatjeremy corbyn should be the interim prime minister? i think the approach he is taking there shouldn't be any red lines but let me try to deal with
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the challenge, it's a good one. i don't think the two are mutually exclusive. in other words you can try to pass legislation, you can also have a vote of no confidence. you don't have to do one or the other, the thing about both of them is we need to judge which is other, the thing about both of them is we need tojudge which is most likely to succeed and when and these things change, so a vote of no confidence may not succeed one day but could succeed on a different day. that is a judgment call for jeremy corbyn as leader of the 0pposition, so, ithink jeremy corbyn as leader of the 0pposition, so, i think today is very much about looking at all the possible options, but making sure that we are agreed on a plan, because i have been saying throughout the summer, that there will be different ideas coming out during the summer, there as been discussion and speculation but we need to have a process of pulling it together when we get back next week we do have an agreed plan that we are implementing because i was very troubled by the suggestion that
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borisjohnson had troubled by the suggestion that boris johnson had taken troubled by the suggestion that borisjohnson had taken legal advice on whether he can close down parliament from the 9th september through to the middle of october.m on those plans that have been suggested, one suggestion is that potentially the queen could be asked to intervene, she could be asked to go to europe and ask for an extension to article 50.|j go to europe and ask for an extension to article 50. i don't think that is realistic. are you ruling it out? no, i mean, i haven't heard that suggestion but i wouldn't ta ke heard that suggestion but i wouldn't take that one seriously, but what i do think, is that... but, sorry if it is ultimately the only route to guarantee not leaving with no—deal, would labour keep that on the table? ijust don't, i don't know where that came from, the idea of the queen taking over negotiations... sorry to interrupt, it is a party device, it is known as a upable address to the queen and it is getting the queen involved. address to the queen and it is getting the queen involvedlj address to the queen and it is getting the queen involved. i don't think that sounds credible. i mean,
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i have been involved in the cross— party i have been involved in the cross—party talks all of the summer, taking many hours and that is not something which has been seriously put forward by the group of people who are going to come together today and over the coming days, about how we go forward. the g7 seems to have gone pretty well and tomorrow, the civil servant david frost will be going to brussels for talks, it is possible there may yet be a deal. would labour support it? you say that, but the challenge i would put back is, in what way has anything borisjohnson said or done been any different to theresa may? he hasn't got a deal, he hasn't got an alternative to backstop and he has had a long time to think about that. he is approaching it in the same way my way or the high way and he wants to push parliament to one side. there is more bluster. to come in, according to some news report, the
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plan being put forward is potentially for a series of agreements that would keep northern ireland or the whole in line with certain eu rules on animal sanitary checks for example and something like that could get around the issue with the irish border, were that to be something that were agreed on, would labour support it or is labour 110w would labour support it or is labour now the party of remain and therefore no deal would be good enough. let us see what materialises, but i honestly think that after the very, very many months of many, many people trying to find an alternative, the idea that it to find an alternative, the idea thatitis to find an alternative, the idea that it is suddenly going to come out of a hat is pretty unlikely. what we the labour party have said this is such a mess now, whatever the outcome, deal or no deal, it has to go toa the outcome, deal or no deal, it has to go to a referendum, and in that referendum we would campaign for remain, so we think that this stage, there has to be some input from the public to say yes, those are terms
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upon which we are prepared to leave, 01’ upon which we are prepared to leave, or no, actually we don't think that is the right course and we think the country should remain. thank you for joining us. lib dem leaderjo swinson is one of the party leaders who'll meet jeremy corbyn in just under an hour's time. the problem is that labour and the lib dems are at each other‘s throats. jo swinson made opposition tojeremy corbyn a central part of her leadership campaign, while for its part labour probably feels threatened by the prospect of a young pro—european hoovering up remain votes. ahead of this morning's meeting i spoke tojo swinson and asked her what her preferred option is to prevent a no—deal brexit. we are in a moment of national crisis with the prospect of crashing out of the eu without a deal. i think the best way to avoid that is for the house of commons to pass a law that requires the government to request an extension of article 50, i think the purpose for that would
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be ideally to hold a people's vote, and that would be able to set us on the path to avoiding no—deal, but i think we need a triple lock, if you like, we need to think about what happens if that fails, and we could end up in a scenario where there is a general election, in which case it is vital that any election gives the choice to people, rather than having that taken away from them, so we shouldn't crash out of the eu during a general election campaign, and then finally, if we really are on then finally, if we really are on the verge of crashing out, a few days away from that, then we should, if all else has failed be prepare paired to if all else has failed be prepare pa i red to revoke if all else has failed be prepare paired to revoke article 50, because in 2019, -- paired to revoke article 50, because in 2019, —— prepared. a british government should not be going ahead ina government should not be going ahead in a policy that is going to result in food and medicine shortages. all of that would see boris johnson remaining prime minister through the process. now boris johnson
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remaining prime minister through the process. now borisjohnson said he is prepared to take this country out with no—deal, and on that basis, the assumption has to be you will do whatever it takes to effect that, potentially even if the government is told by parliament it should seek an extension to article 50, the government may go into those negotiations, and not accept the terms for an extension and we still remain ina terms for an extension and we still remain in a position of heading for sist remain in a position of heading for 31st october with no—deal. isn't the only way to guarantee not going down that route, have a vote of no confidence and install a caretaker government. you have not mentioned it and that is because of the difference between your party and labour? i mean, i think difference between your party and labour? i mean, ithink you difference between your party and labour? i mean, i think you are right we need to be clear about what we can do, if the, if borisjohnson refuses to, to listen to what parliament says, and, you know, one way is, as i say, to be prepared to revoke article 50, in those circumstances, but it may well be
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that there would need to be a vote of no confidence, and an emergency government installed, so that is one of the, if you like, insurance policies or backstop perhaps we could call it, that we would need to have, and look, it is clear to me that what is important in that scenario, is that we have something that will command support right across the house of commons, and thatis across the house of commons, and that is mostly likely to be somebody who is is a long—standing parliamentarian who is is a bit above the party political fray and who doesn't have any long—term an big of being prime minister. i have put forward harriet harman or ken clark as the longest serving man or woman mps or there may be somebody they would like to suggest. as you say you have been making that point clear for some say you have been making that point clearfor some time, but say you have been making that point clear for some time, but by putting that up front before you have these talks with the labour party, and other parties, does that not
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potentially put sort of, put the opposition parties in a position where you are not united because you cannot agree what the step is after a cannot agree what the step is after 3110 cannot agree what the step is after a no confidence vote, why wouldn't you just support it and then address the issue. we will support a no confidence vote. my concern is a no confidence vote. my concern is a no confidence vote. my concern is a no confidence vote will not succeed if conservative mps in particular, but also some opposition mps think that jeremy corbyn becoming prime minister could be the result of it. if we are serious about that option to stop no—deal, we need to be serious about being able to win that vote of no confidence. i think that does require to us have those conversations about who it could be. asi conversations about who it could be. as i have said, i am very hope open, iam not as i have said, i am very hope open, i am not precious about who it is, it needs to bion who commands the support across the commons, others might have suggestion of who that can be, we know from what people have said is thatjeremy corbyn's not going to be that person who can
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command that support, right across the house of commons. i think in his heart of heart he knows that, if he is serious about stopping no—deal, i am sure he is going to be positive about calling a vote of no confidence and maybe have suggestions of who he thinks would be the best person to lead that to command support across the house of commons. you are talking about now a vote of no confidence effectively being the last resorted. mps go back next tuesday, is there any way that a no confidence vote could be launched next tuesday? it doesn't to me seem like that the is the best way forward. you know, we are obviously having discussions today but we have been having discussions throughout the summer. mps have been talking face to face on telephone, online and there does seem to be a real consensus emerging round the idea of passing a law to require the government to extend and request an extension of article 50, so it seems like that is the best place to
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start, although obviously we have to have discussed the back up options so we are have discussed the back up options so we are not scrabbleling round at such a point because time is short, you know, we need to have this planned out, and just roll up our sleeves and get on it in a practical way. thank you very much. lets of you getting in touch to share your view, sue, lets of you getting in touch to share yourview, sue, please opposition parties for the sake of us opposition parties for the sake of us ordinary people, the majority put aside differences to combat the no—deal madness. neville says i think we have to stop no—deal. i am not going to say it will be a calamity because we don't know because this has never happened before. it could be a smooth no—deal brexit and it could be fine but it could be a disaster and people could lose theirjob, medicine and food could be in short supply and inflation and gdp is affected. i think that type of a leap in the dark should be avoided.
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jean says the liberal democrats are betraying all of us who vote leave. they should hang their heads in shame. 0ne anonymous texter says all the opposition leaders don't want to delay brexit, they want to destroy brexit. and paul says labour are becoming a joke, people in the north voted leave but london—based mps don't care. thank you for the comments, keep them coming. do you own your own home? it probably depends how old you are or whether you were fortunate enough to have parents who could help you out. new research shows that britain's over—55s are increasingly supporting their children — with almost one in five gifting money because they feel they have a responsibility to help out. that's according to the financial services group legal and general — with the average amount more than £24,000. more than half give cash, but others are withdrawing money from their pensions or remortgaging their homes, even if it means accepting a lower standard of living in later life as a result.
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let's speak more about this with lynnjames, also known as blogger and financial expert mrs mummypenny. and denise pritchard, who gifted her daughter £40,000 to help with a deposit for a house. welcome both of you. that is a lot of money, why did you do it? because basically, they were living with us, they had two daughters, they were struggling to save enough money to be able to get a place, and we just felt that that was the best option. to get them out of the house. yes. how did you get the money, could you afford it. we went for equity release but we, there is two ways of doing it. your can go for equity release where it builds up on the property, all the interest and can eat away at the house, but we have deliberately gone for one where we can repay the interest, and you can pay up can repay the interest, and you can pay up to 10% with interest and part of the amount every year, so... you
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have taken out a loan you are hoping you will be able to pay back, but obviously that will put financial pressure on you. yes. how will that impact on your finances and your standard of living? the amount, because of the amount we have borrowed it is not too bad and my husband can manage that with his salary, so, but because of our age we wouldn't get a standard mortgage so we wouldn't get a standard mortgage so it was the only way we could get it really. will it impact on how long he will have to work, to pay this off? did he have a kind of goal for retirement, in mind that may have been affected by this? he, he's only 58 at the moment. so he wouldn't get his pension until 68 or 69 or something like that, so, it, he still has enough years left to be able to work it, and to be fair, he is not someone who gives us up work, he tends to work a lot. fair enough. you would say obviously it is your goal to pay it off. what about the
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kids, if they find themselves in a more secure position or is that gift to them? it's a gift to them, because basically a condition of their mortgage any way is this was gifted rather than they repaid it back. so, lynn, lots of people are doing this, and potentially impacting on their own living standards as a result. what do you think about, what is going on?” think about, what is going on?” think it is not a decision to be taken lightly, and from the research, think a lot of people take this decision without taking advice, andi this decision without taking advice, and i would absolutely recommend that anybody thinking about it, speaks to a financial planner or some kind of body that can advise them correctly on if they have got enough money to get them through to the end of their live, because that is what i worry about, is a £40, a £40,000 gift to a child means that life becomes difficult. denise? we did have an independent company we
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spoke to about it, so, like i say, thatis spoke to about it, so, like i say, that is why we decided to go for repayment one rather than a straightforward equity release where you don't pay anything back and it eats into the house. we have two other ching children to think about, so we other ching children to think about, so we didn't want... so you might up doing the same for them. yes. would you be able to? the amount we released from the house was minimal, i think released from the house was minimal, ithink our released from the house was minimal, i think our house is worth about 700,000, so it is is a minimal amount. va 700,000, so it is is a minimal amount. v a proportion of that so we would be able to borrow a little bit more if we needed to. so obviously, pa rents more if we needed to. so obviously, parents like denise rein a position where they can, not even is going to be in that position, but in that situation where the kids are not able to raise enough money for a deposit, is it really the only way round the kids getting on the property ladder. i think it goes back to the first point you made, is
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have the parents got enough money to afford that, have they got enough money for the rehaipeder of their live, are they in a good retirement position? a lot of people, sol live, are they in a good retirement position? a lot of people, so i am 42, soa position? a lot of people, so i am 42, so a bit younger and position? a lot of people, so i am 42, so a bit youngerand i know position? a lot of people, so i am 42, so a bit younger and i know that i'm not in a strong enough pension future position at the moment, so the thought to me of having to, or gifting my children, i have three children as well, £40,000 each, i don't think i could do it unless i get a sudden windfall. so your kids, they are 11, nine and six. yeah. are you thinking then about how things might work out for them in the future. what i am thinking at the moment, is i would love for them to go to university, whatever they choose to do at 18 so i am putting some money aside for them do that. as faras giving some money aside for them do that. as far as giving them money to put a deposit down on a house, it would be nowhere near, they will end up with about £10,000 each, so whatever happens with the price of houses in
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the future, but i am a big believer in what i do with my children, is installing financial education into them from as young an age as possible, so, iwant them from as young an age as possible, so, i want my children to understand that they need to start saving from as young an age as possible and get to the point where they can afford to put down a deposit on a house, we have lots of friends who have managed to do that. what age? as soon as they start working. as even if a saturday job as teenagers? one of my biggest financial regrets is my firstjob i started when i was 22, when i got my first pay packet i didn't save 20 of my first one. i didn't even put money into a pension until i was 30 which is embarrassing the for me. exactly, when you are young you don't think about it but your me annal is from the first pay package. you get used to it. it is going to
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this message of pay yourself first then you is will have a nice chunk of money to put a deposit down or whatever you want. good to talk to you both. if you have done that for you both. if you have done that for you kids let us know. david miller still to come. tens of thousands of british citizens born in the us but who left when they were children — just like our pm borisjohnson — could have their uk bank accounts frozen due to us tax policy. we'll be speaking to one man who it happened to. it's nearly time for this year's strictly come dancing — we'll have all the latest after last night's red carpet launch. the lungs of the world are burning, that's how the amazon rainforest fires are being described — but brazil has turned down the offer of aid from g7 countries to help tackle the fires.
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$22 million — that's about £18 million — was pledged at the g7 summit yesterday in biarritz. the french president emmanuel macron said the countries would release the money to provide logistical and financial support. translation: we will offer immediate financial aid to the amazonian countries, at least up to 20 million euros, and also concrete support. france will offer military support from the next few hours in the region. however, president jair bolsonaro said mr macron's plan of an "alliance" to "save" the amazon treated brazil "as if we were a colony or no man's land". joining me in the studio is bbc brazil journalist nathalia passarinho. and from oxford isjonathan mazower from survival international — a group which campaigns for the rights of indigenous people. why would brazil say no to an offer of free cash? there seems to be strong disagreement among the members of the brazilian government, as we saw
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the brazilian government, as we saw the president reacted angrily to the offer of $22 million in help, he tweeted that president and was treating brazil as a colony or no man's land. hours later the environment minister gave the bbc a televised interview saying brazil would take the money. the defence minister also in charge of operations in the north of brazil also said help would be welcome. later in the evening, the chief of staff said the money would not be accepted. it seems the ministers that are in charge of handling the situation in the amazon want their help, but the president does not seem likely to want the money coming from the g7. does brazil have the resources to tackle these wildfires? brazil is in a serious economic crisis, the government has just decided to ease austerity measures and release $9.3 million to help
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battle the fire. the defence minister has said that money was not enough, they would need more, because operations are extremely expensive, they are using aeroplanes to battle the fires. $22 million it seems like an important help for brazil. what is the latest on the wildfires? a lot more are burning down this time last year. lots of claims about the politics of it and whether it is down to government policies. 44,000 men from the armed forces are in the amazon region, trying to battle the fire. many areas in the amazon are difficult to reach, you would need helicopters, votes and planes to get there. there are still plenty of fire outbreaks. yesterday there was a little bit of rain which helped. environmentalists say that
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the environment policy has encouraged illegal activities in the amazon because the government has been saying the amazon region is open for business, that it should have mining including on indigenous land, and environmental fines have mining including on indigenous land, and environmentalfines were reduced by 30% this year compared to last year. these policies have been followed. jonathan, are you concerned about what is going on in the amazon right now? it is extremely concerning, and indigenous people of brazil are very worried indeed because they see their rainforest home going up in flames and you have to see this in the context of years and years of the context of years and years of the underfunding of both environmental protection departments of the government, and also the
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indigenous affairs unit that protect indigenous affairs unit that protect indigenous territories. since president bolles nora came into power, we have seen the open encouragement of farmers to go into indigenous reserves and other parts of the rainforest, illegally, to clear it. he proclaims his nickname of mr chainsaw perfectly openly and proudly, and long before he became president he was openly advocating the opening up of indigenous territories to mining, ranching and farming. if you have to see this in the context of years and years of both neglect by previous governments of the protection of indigenous rainforests, and under this government, a wholesale attack, really, on the whole idea that indigenous territories in brazil have rights to be protected and they are the best safeguards and barriers
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to deforestation. how popular are these policies? reaction in brazil has been huge. brazilians have shown themselves to be against opening the amazon and not protecting it. a poll recently showed that 96% of brazilians want more monitoring in the amazon. we saw various demonstrations in 40 cities in brazil in the last weekend. these policies do not seem popular in brazil. he came into power injanuary, so why was he voted in? there are various explanations. many brazilians were extremely angry with the past president. they were left—wing and accused, many of their members of government, accused of corruption. so, they turned to the
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other option which was this right—wing politician. but popularity has fallen significantly for bolsonaro especially after the amazon fire crisis. 0nly for bolsonaro especially after the amazon fire crisis. only time present —— only 29% of brazilians believe in this government. the international spotlight is on it, money was offered but turned down by the brazilian government. what can the international community do? it is important not to lose hope. this is a government that has shown itself to be susceptible to international pressure. right now, the indigenous people's in the amazon who are the best guardians of the rainforest, have managed these forests for millennia, need all the help they can get. it is vital anyone who is concerned about what is happening to the amazon and the
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terrible fires we see, they go to organisations like us to put pressure on the government to do something about it. it isn't a hopeless situation. i think the government does bend to political pressure if there is enough of it and enough of an international outcry. thank you. still to come. it's been described by aid workers as the "worst refugee camp in the world" — now a teenage asylum seeker has been killed in a fight at the overcrowded moria camp on the greek island of lesbos — we'll be live there shortly. there are more questions about the costs of hs2 — the planned high speed train line from london to birmingham and beyond. the bbc has exclusively seen documents which show that the government and hs2 knew
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that the new high—speed railway was running over budget and was probably behind schedule years ago. we can now speak to the bbc‘s transport correspondent tom burridge. was it a big secret it has been overbudget for years? people like me who have been looking into this for a while know in essence, we knew it was overbudget and behind schedule but even last month a junior transport minister was in the commons saying it was on budget and on time, and not long before that, bosses at hs2 said the same thing. what we have established from these documents is that a few yea rs from these documents is that a few years ago, there were clear indications that the government knew the £56 million budget wasn't realistic and hs2 couldn't live within its means. it begs the question, why has it taken until the
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last month for us to get indications thatis last month for us to get indications that is not the case. the overspend now looks far worse than these documents set out. what is the latest? we had a leak last month which hasn't been denied that the internal review looking at the cost projection now at hs2 could be as much as £30 billion over budget. that hasn't been confirmed. the government has commissioned its own review and will report back by the end of the year. today's store is less about the pros and cons of a high—speed railway linking northern and southern england, it is more about when you have these big infrastructure projects with tens of billions of pounds of taxpayers money pouring in, to what extent should we be learning as the project moves along exactly the real state of affairs, the truth i think about where the budget was at, and where
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specific aspects of the budget were at. there has been evident for a while things haven't been going well but we still had these firm state m e nts but we still had these firm statements from ministers and hs to until very recently saying things we re until very recently saying things were on—time and on budget. is this review on hs2, what is the timetable? the review will report back by the end of the year. people may not know about this review is that on it the deputy chair of the panel is a guy called tony buckley, a labour peer, a staunch critic of the scheme all along. that tallies with the government claim this will be a very much independent review looking at everything in the cold light of day, establish the truth, and then all options are on the table. we have spoken about this before but scrapping the scheme would be complicated. we will have to see if thatis complicated. we will have to see if that is a realistic option. 0n the
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face of it from whom they have appointed to the team, at face value, you have to take their word the government are looking at all options. lots of you getting in touch on the bank of mum and dad, one says, we bought a house when our son so he can save over five years. he already had £17,000 for a deposit. we don't learn a lot. and another, i gave my son £80,000 on sunday to get on the property ladder. and, what is wrong helping your children with a mortgage if it can be avoided, this is what family is about, we are getting precious about pushing the state into supporting these issues. my only reservation is pa rents these issues. my only reservation is parents safeguard a reasonable pension. and, i have four middle—aged children all content with their lives and families and never cost me after they flew the nest. what is wrong with parents and children
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today? and on e—mail, i supported my five children to get on the housing ladder when i retired, it was a satisfying decision. i am a single pa rent satisfying decision. i am a single parent and a widow of many years. keepin parent and a widow of many years. keep in touch with your comments. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. at an overcrowded refugee camp on the greek island of lesbos, a teenage asylum seeker has been killed and two others injured when they were stabbed in a fight it was reported in greek media that tensions exploded inside the "safe zone" of the camps children's ward on saturday night. it comes almost a year to the day since our reporter catrin nye gained rare access to the camp, and saw the appalling conditions there. here's a clip from her report. so, we've been given 45 minutes only to go around the camp. this is a section for
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the newest arrivals. there is 7500 people in here — it has capacity for between 2000 and 3000. conditions are appalling. there are around 70 people per toilet. the sewage system doesn't work properly. many charities have left this camp in protest at how bad it is. how long is the wait for food? about three hours. three hours? and what do you get? for breakfast, some people come at three o'clock, 3am. in the morning? yeah, in the morning. some families do not get water because this is our 24 hours of water. fewer refugees are arriving on the island than previous years, but they are not leaving. as part of the deal between the eu and turkey, the greek government is holding people on lesbos rather than moving them to the mainland. they can leave the gates of this
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camp, but are trapped on the island. we can speak now to katrin brubakk, msf mental health activity manager, working in lesbos camp. describe for us the conditions inside the moria camp where you are? you saw the report from one year ago, there were 7500 people in the camp, now, we are close to 10,000. take whatever picture you saw and multiply. it is getting worse by the day. describe what it is like on a daily basis for people in that environment where it is designed for more like a quarter of that number. sanitary systems are at the brink, to ta ke sanitary systems are at the brink, to take the amount of people that are there. people have to sleep on the ground because we don't have containers or tents. the food queues
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are getting longer. kids can't go to school. the contract for the medical staff for the ministry of health ended last monday which means at the moment there is no nurse, no translators and only one doctor for 10,000 people. the kids are supposedly in a safe area but we have heard what happened on saturday night when 115—year—old had a knife, and in the resulting incident, one child was killed, two others injured? —— when a 15—year—old had a knife. we must keep in mind these are traumatised kids, unaccompanied in the first place. away from all the support they had, the kind of things that were safe to them. and now, adding stress, frustration, lack of hope, very limited access to health and care, and potentially emotions
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get out of hand and we saw tragic results of that on saturday. the mental health issues these people are already enduring as a result of what they have been through previously, are you able to really help them in this environment? we do the best we can. normally, when we work with traumatised victims, we can tell them, you are safe now, you have overcome the bad things you have expensed, we can't tell them that, though, because they are still an say. we have started emergency psychological support groups for kids yesterday. they tell us they are afraid all the time, they are on alert, they don't want to go out, they don't even go to the toilet on their own because they are afraid. 0ne toilet on their own because they are afraid. one girl said yesterday, until now, they had been afraid for their safety, now they are afraid
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for their lives. what is it like we are working in that environment where there reason you do the work is to help these children, but as you say you are unable to reassure them. we ta ke unable to reassure them. we take one day at a time. some days it is really hard because you get frustrated about the fact these kids are getting more sick by the living conditions they are in. and some days you have to focus on every single child you meet, whether you can feed that child, make that child feel safer, giving them coping mechanisms, give them some space where they are ok for a while and even to do fun things. but it is not easy. it is not easy because it is a political choice to put children in this condition. tens of thousands of british citizens born in the us but who left
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when only a few months or years old, just like our prime minister boris johnson, risk having their bank accounts in britain frozen. this is because of intense pressure by us tax authorities on uk banks. in one case, a 74—year—old has been sent increasingly urgent letters from her bank demanding her american tax identification number, even though she left the us on the rms queen elizabeth in 1947 when she was just 18 months old. we can speak to tom who moved to the uk aged 15 months, who had 15 years' worth of savings frozen in his account. and joining me in the studio are helen burggraf — editor of the american expat financial news journal. and laurie laird — an expert on american finance and politics. welcome, all of you. tom, what happened to you, all this money was frozen, when, and talk us through how you dealt with it.
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i got how you dealt with it. igota how you dealt with it. i got a letter or a message from my account asking if i was an american, and asking me to prove i wasn't an american, asking me to fill in some tax forms. i sent them details of my british passport which didn't satisfy them. ultimately, after a couple of months, they froze my account, and i had to renounce my us citizenship formally before they would unfreeze it. you had that citizenship thanks to being born in the states and your mother is american, is it something you had appreciated the value of? i knew i was a dual national, my mother is american, but i did not realise it would end up with potentially my savings being frozen, or that bank account being closed. how stressful was it when you went through this? very stressful. i want to make
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clear, i don't blame the bank for this, they were put in a difficult situation. i don't have any ill will towards them. when i dug into the potential tax liability, the potential tax liability, the potential of losing that account, yes, it was a number of months of quite stressful time for my family. if you had decided not to renounce your us citizenship, what might it have cost you? some thousands. like borisjohnson, the tax regimes are not aligned. what happens is you end up paying, you end up paying tax where the other regime doesn't have tax relief. in the united states you pay tax on capital gains when you sell a house, cash ices are not recognised,
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they are satisfied as a foreign investments. isas. they have a punitive tax rate on them. it is really complicated. as tom mentioned, our prime minister was caught up in this. explain how it works if you were born in the states. if you were born in the states, you are regarded, there is one kind of american, that you were born in american, that you were born in america and you are an american. that is as far as the tax system is concerned. tom and others who grew up concerned. tom and others who grew up in another country do not consider themselves american and do not benefit from the tax regime there. america is the only country aside from eritrea that taxes on the basis of citizenship. a unique tax regime.
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that is the problem. it is hard to get your head around, when you are paying tax on your earnings in one country, that another country can have a claim on it. what additional percentage potentially of income are people paying because if they want to renounce citizenship as tom did, thatis to renounce citizenship as tom did, that is fine, but if they want to keep it, what does it cost? there is a double tax agreement in most situation but even that means if the us taxes the sale of your property, he owed tax to the us government because it would not pay tax here but he would pay capital gains tax on his house. this was in the press. it was a classic boris johnson story. he had to pay tax to the us government on the earnings that he had on the sale of his
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property. that is the kind of thing. it means also for people like tom, you have to file a tax return every year even you have to file a tax return every year even if you have had no links to the us since you were a baby, it doesn't make sense. it is expansive to have your taxes done, especially if you make a mistake. there is a problem and it needs to be dealt with. it hopefully will be at some point but it will take some time. there will be a lot of mess before it is sold. what are the prospects for it to be resolved. almost none. this was introduced in 2010. at the time when america was ina huge 2010. at the time when america was in a huge recession. there was a big stimulus package to try to offset some stimulus package to try to offset some of that spending. this thing was implemented to catch rich americans who are maybe stashing income abroad. it wasn't intended to
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catch people like tom. the problem is rich americans have a lot of weight hide their income, they don't even weight hide their income, they don't even have to take it out of the us, the us is biggest tax haven on earth, like panama and the cayman islands to easily stash money away. the people who got caught are people like tom. why won't it be changed if it has these unforeseen consequences. the democrats like this bill. the robert havlin is —— the republicans are trying to repeal it but don't have a majority. the republicans in this pre—election phase are looking at high—profile staff. they won't repeal this when they can do things like blow the wool on the southern border of the build a wall on the southern border of the united states. you said boris johnson states. you said borisjohnson ended up having to pay money for the sale of his house. if he had done what tom
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did renouncing his citizenship. and so has boris. he paid but then he renounced afterwards. that got him out of it. presumably thatis that got him out of it. presumably that is what people will do. it is time consuming. annunciation numbers have soared renounciation. many do not wa nt to soared renounciation. many do not want to do that. there are lots of issues. was there anything, tom, that might have made you want to keep your american citizenship? yes. emotionally, iguess, my mother is american, so it would have been nice to keep. i was worried about
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being let back into the united states but fortunately that has not been a problem. i would also like to point out renouncing isn't free, you have to pay nearly 2500 dollars. the united states increased that from $400 when they saw the numbers go up. spotted a market. thank you. it's one of the viewing highligts of the year — the countdown to the new series of strictly come dancing has begun, with the stars donning their sequins and taking to the stage in london for a spectacular the launch. among those taking part this year are tv presenter anneke rice, youtuber saffron barker, the former england goalkeeper david james and reality tv starjamie laing. no—one in my family's ever seen me dance one move. not in a disco, not at a wedding, ever. i love a good old—fashioned steps routine. bit of tragedy.
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so when faye was on this last year, it was like, yes, sister. the way you do the body roll is you're meant to pretend you're looking over a ledge, it's meant to go, like, oh, not today. hey. see you later, sister. ymca. # y-m-c-a! serious. oh, my goodness, you've got sporting icons here, people with natural sporting ability. i am under no illusion that dancing is an extreme sport. muscles you didn't know you had put together with the mind—boggling challenge to get moves in time with the music. i haven't got a secret weapon at all. if anything, all i've got is i'll getjudged on the night by the judges, and i'll go home and get judged by my wife! well, let's find out more about this year's line up from frankie dickman. she set up frankie and clover‘s strictly come dancing blog with her friend 11 years ago. safe to assume you are a super fan. yes, we fall into that category after this much time. there is always a formula, the
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sportspeople, soap stars, what are your thoughts on the line—up? it isa your thoughts on the line—up? it is a varied line—up this year, an interesting variety of people. no left turns as we did with the reverend richard coles. different audiences, the youtube generation with a saffron barker. traditional sports people with alex scott and david james. add soap stars. in a way, it is what we have come to expect but a few surprises in there. do you have a favourite already? i will say with quite a few people there are dark horses who could go either way. we run a poll and alex scott is the runaway leader at the moment. jamie laing could do quite well, he has done a lot of reality tv, good at ingratiating himself with people, so, if he can dance, he could go far. there is not an obviousjoke
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candidate, the ageing politician who is not in their comfort zone in a dance studio. there is always someone. that is the point of the programme, you don't wa nt to point of the programme, you don't want to watch ten great dancers, you wa nt want to watch ten great dancers, you want variety. just because you are a comedy character it doesn't mean you can't dance. i would go back to ed balls, russell grant, it depends on the individual and their relationship with their partner. some of the most memorable moments. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. temperature is today expected to reach their 30s again but we have something cooler tomorrow, a relief for some. showers currently in the
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south and west pushing north east across the midlands and eastern parts of england, northern england and south—east scotland, heavy, thundery, temperatures up to 33 in the south—east with more rain and cloud meaning temperatures are not so hot in the north and west. tonight, the chance of showers in the north east. cloud will feeding and we will see outbreaks of rain. temperatures in double figures, not co mforta ble temperatures in double figures, not comfortable in the south—east, 16 celsius. tomorrow, cloudy with outbreaks of rain, working eastwards. some sunny spells in the south—east, brighter skies behind into northern ireland. temperatures coming down, highs of 24.
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you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's11am and these are the main stories this morning: jeremy corbyn is meeting other opposition party leaders to discuss how to prevent a no—deal brexit. documents seen by bbc news suggest that the government knew the hs2 project was over budget and probably behind schedule three years ago. the government wants to change planning rules in england to help mobile phone companies installing 5g broadband in rural areas. ajudge in oklahoma finds pharmaceutical giantjohnson & johnson guilty of fueling the state's opioid crisis— they've said they will appeal the ruling. two of the oldest clubs in english football — bury and bolton — have untilfive o'clock to prove they have a future

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