hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire live at westminster. borisjohnson says he'll trigger a general election in six weeks‘ time if some of his own mps try to stop a no—deal brexit. but many conservative mps are still planning to defy him. many colleagues have been incensed by some of the actions over the last week or so, and i think there is a group of conservatives who feel very strongly that now is the time when we have to put the national interest ahead of any threats to us personally. downing street has warned that it will push for an october election if the government loses the vote today. but they need two thirds of mps, including labour ones, to back an election plan — but that may not happen.

if we ended up down that track and — as i said, we don't want an election, we want to get delivering on the government's positive agenda and delivering brexit — but if we ended up down that track, it would be the mother of all u—turns byjeremy corbyn. because he's been saying for months, if not years, that he wants an election. but labour now say they won't be bounced into an election on borisjohnson‘s terms. of course we always want a general election, you do not end austerity and food bank britain without a general election. but the primary priority across parties is to legislate against a disastrous no deal. we'll be talking to mps from all sides today, talking to voters worried about the impact of no deal, and we want to hear from you — do you want a general election? hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning.

let us know if you want a general election? that could be where the country's heading. it would be the third general election in this country in five years. and if you do want one, do you want it before brexit, so before october 31, or after we've left? and if you're stockpiling ahead of october 31st — medicines, bottled water, tins of beans — also let us know. we will be talking about that later. send us an email to victoria@bbc.co.uk, or message us on twitter — use the hasthag #victorialive. first let's bring you the rest of the news with lukwesa. good morning. at least five people have been killed in the bahamas as hurricane dorian continues to batter the country. some 13,000 houses are feared damaged or destroyed, according to the international red cross. officials say dorian, the second—strongest atlantic hurricane on record, remains extremely dangerous. experts are warning about the dangers of fussy eating after a 17—year—old from bristol — who lived on a diet of chips,

crisps and processed meat — suffered irreparable sight loss. eye doctors in bristol cared for the young man after his vision had deteriorated to the point of blindness. tests revealed he had severe vitamin deficiencies and damage linked to malnutrition. 25 bodies have been found on the ocean floor after a boat was destroyed by fire off the coast of california. nine people are still missing. five crew members had escaped earlier. the fire started in the early hours of monday. the boat was anchored just metres off santa cruz island. the cause of the blaze is so far unknown. the united states would withdraw 5,400 troops from afghanistan within 20 weeks — as part of a deal "in principle" with taliban militants. the us currently has about 1a,000 troops in the country. president trump will have to give final approval for the deal to go ahead.

those are the main headlines, let's return to victoria. welcome to the programme, live from westminster on a momentous day. this afternoon mps from all parties will unite to try to take control of the business of the house of commons and stop prime minister borisjohnson taking the country out of the eu with no deal on 31st october. they want to delay britain's departure by another three months. yesterday, borisjohnson said he would not put off brexit under any circumstances, and downing street has warned that it will push for a general election on october 14th if the government loses the vote today. but two thirds of mps will need to back the pm's call for a general election. we will talk to three conservative mps, first of all. nigel evans, conservative mp for ribble valley, is backing boris johnson.

the conservative mp for beaconsfield, dominic grieve, is going to vote against the government. stephen hammond, conservative mp for wimbledon, has been considering whether he's going to to vote against his own government today. i know you have not publicly revealed how you will vote, so tell the audience? i have been committed all the way through to the view that we should leave the european union in an orderly way, which is why i voted for the withdrawal agreement three times. therefore my colleagues did that, that is what would have happened. today i have been clear, both of the result of the conservative manifesto and my continued view that no deal is not a cce pta ble continued view that no deal is not acceptable to the country. unless the prime minister publishes his proposals for a deal, very relu cta ntly proposals for a deal, very reluctantly i will have to make sure that no deal is not a possibility. this bill does not restrict the prime minister, it lets him negotiate all the way to october 18,

which is what he has asked for. you will have to levers in five minutes because you have been called to a meeting with the prime minister? —— you will have to leave us.” meeting with the prime minister? —— you will have to leave us. i have been asked. the meeting was well publicised, it would have happened yesterday afternoon, he could not make it, he has rearranged and i will go. do you think he will try to persuade you that he is serious about getting a deal? of course, but i will say to him that if that is true, can you give us detail? there are only a relatively limited number of options, so publish those prior to the statement in the house of commons. everyone knows there is a relatively limited set of options and it would not hurt the negotiations. in respect of what the negotiations. in respect of what the negotiations may be, as long as he publishes then you will not vote against him? let's see the proposal to make sure they are to to securing a deal. do you think there are any

proposals? he says there are, he is the prime minister of this country, i respect him and will listen.“ you read his favourite newspaper, the daily telegraph, peter foster, their europe editor, has seen leaked document suggesting there are no technical or detailed proposals drawn up or put forward and your own attorney general, geoffrey cox, his advice to borisjohnson about the idea to the eu have been in the backstop was complete fantasy?” have heard that, that is one of the reasons why i am not convinced at the moment there are proposals and i will be voting the way i will this evening. nigel evans, you will be backing borisjohnson. evening. nigel evans, you will be backing boris johnson. how evening. nigel evans, you will be backing borisjohnson. how would you try to persuade your colleague steve hammond, if you will at all, not to vote against your prime minister? we have been chums for 25 years or more

and we both fought in the last general election to deliver on the brexit... general election to deliver on the brexit. .. number one, even general election to deliver on the brexit... number one, even if you don't want to give the order paper to the opposition, we need to make sure our government can govern properly and i would ask you not to vote to give that order paper to them. i hope this charge goes well with the prime minister later, he was 011 with the prime minister later, he was on good form in downing street yesterday. i am just hoping in the discussions that you have today that boris will be able to convince you, as he had me, that he wants to leave the european union with a deal. they will take it up to the very end, so when they know the prospect is that the only way they can get a good deal is doing something about the backstop, i think they will.” deal is doing something about the backstop, i think they will. i say to mr evans... nigel. i say to

nigel, who i have known for 25 yea rs, nigel, who i have known for 25 years, i nigel, who i have known for 25 yea rs, i voted nigel, who i have known for 25 years, i voted for a withdrawal agreement that would have got us out. it is clear to me that i want a deal, i am out. it is clear to me that i want a deal, iam not out. it is clear to me that i want a deal, i am not faking out. it is clear to me that i want a deal, iam not faking remain, i don't think anybody is, i think they are doing the best for the country. ido are doing the best for the country. i do not believe it is giving the order paper, it is a very simple bill and reinforces what the prime minister says, it gives him the time out. the other codes bearing on lots of peoples minds is what katya adler said on the news last night, it is not no to no deal that is frustrating the europeans, it has some of my colleagues who tweeted last week that they will vote against any deal the prime minister brings back, which is another good reason why we should put this in place, it gives an incentive for a deal. let me bring in dominic grieve, your other conservative colleague, have you been invented no invited to this meeting? not as sure

asiam invited to this meeting? not as sure as i am aware, and always i invited yesterday. url lost cause? -- you area yesterday. url lost cause? -- you a re a lost yesterday. url lost cause? -- you are a lost cause. i am not she hears speaking to people who will disagree with him. —— i speaking to people who will disagree with him. —— lam not sure he is speaking to. i am a remain, nothing in the period that has happened since the referendum in which i campaign to remain has suggested that we will be better off leaving, but we have never come off with a deal that is acceptable to parliament because all the deals highlighted second—rate future. the prime minister's conclusion is to go for a third or fourth rate future, i'io for a third or fourth rate future, no deal at all, and... pause for a moment. mr hammond has to be. nigel evans moment. mr hammond has to be. nigel eva ns voted moment. mr hammond has to be. nigel evans voted twice against mrs may's withdrawal agreement. voted once

against eight? the first time. the van conservative prime minister's flagship policy. mr hammond voted three times to leave, but is threatened with deselection. how is that fair? we have had a change in leadership, a leadership election, boro stood on the platform of leaving by october 31 with or without a deal and jeremy hunt was second and said he would extend up to the 31st if need be. boris won by two thirds of the membership, so speaks with the authority of the membership. 0.296 of the electorate. that is how the system works. mr hannan has to go, you are saying it is fair, that he, having voted three times to leave the eu with a deal, should lose his job? in 1993, john

major, the maastricht treaty, i was there, he said if anybody votes against this particular measure, which i am turning a vote of no—confidence, i ask for a dissolution of parliament and the whips will be removed. is it fair? there is precedent for it. say it is fair. we are playing for the same team and if stephen is trying to trip up the captain of the time he tries to school, you will not be playing for long. to use the same analogy, several of your colleagues tripped up the captain, took their shirt off and check them off the field. this is a very simple bill that does exactly what the prime minister says he wants, agencies afterwards if he does not get the deal and, god knows, afterwards if he does not get the dealand, god knows, iwill vote afterwards if he does not get the deal and, god knows, iwill vote for that deal, it then says you need to

extend together negotiation turn. this is not the same. your viewers will take a view on whether it is fairor will take a view on whether it is fair or not. will take a view on whether it is fairor not. i will take a view on whether it is fair or not. i have been a member of the conservative party since i was 20. how old are you now? don't remind me! i am 57. 20. how old are you now? don't remind me! iam 57. it 20. how old are you now? don't remind me! i am 57. it is why it is a very emotional day and i find this extraordinarily disturbing. yes. you are very emotional. what would you say to boris johnson?” are very emotional. what would you say to boris johnson? i will obviously say to him the logical thing... iand obviously say to him the logical thing... i and a committed and principled conservative, i can't believe our party is doing this to each other. thank you very much, i had to see the prime minister.” appreciate it. thank you. dominic grieve, have you got the numbers to get the first step of this process through tonight to defeat the government? i hope so. i am the

first to accept this is emotional, colleagues are under a lot of pressure and will understandably change their mind. i have never been critical of people facing difficult choices. everything suggests to me we have the necessary numbers. even if that works, from your point of view, at that point, borisjohnson could say he wants to trigger an election, which could potentially mean voting for or against a general election tomorrow, it will stop your plan in its tracks? if we initiate this today, we can carry this business to the house of commons and put it on the statute book before any general election can be triggered, because we are in control of the business of the house. nigel evans raised his eyebrows. dominic,

we both in the last election and making sure jeremy corbyn does not get anywhere numberten, you making sure jeremy corbyn does not get anywhere number ten, you are making it more likely that he will. you are taking control away from the tory prime minister. we are taking control to parliament because the government is not behaving in a way that i think it's responsible. parliament, the house of commons, will take control of its order paper. we are all learning as we go, to be clear, if parliament takes control, the prime minister, the government of the day, the executive, cannot overrule? the government will to wait its turn for the parliament to introduce its fixed—term parliaments act motion. by fixed—term parliaments act motion. by which time you think you have your antinode deal legislation through? it would still be necessary foran through? it would still be necessary for an article 50 extension to be secured, whether there is an election or not. unlessjeremy corbyn imposes no conditions at all,

you needed to thirds majority. i would be very surprised if the leader of the opposition were to consent to a general election taking place unless he was absolutely satisfied that it would take place before the article 50 period expired. that is the information i have been given. october the 14th would be ok? no, but i think it will have to be an extension.” would be ok? no, but i think it will have to be an extension. i have been told that the prime minister could try to alter the fixed—term parliaments act? that is why a think it is most unlikely thatjeremy corbyn will simply say bring this motion forward. i do not think we will have a frontbencher by 11am, but we had some labour mps later. chris and facebook says forget about a general election, second vote or any of this nonsense, uphold and respect the democratic referendum was held from 2016 and get as out of

the eu on october 31 with a clean break brexit. he is not alone in that view. you are stopping him and blocking his vote? if we go out with the screen break brexit, it will not bring this to and entitled. —— with this clean break brexit. the single biggest issue facing the uk government and 1st of november will be doing a trade deal with the people we have walked out on, that will be indispensable to the country's economic well— being, national security and our future. it will probably take up the next five or six years. he should forget about this idea that somehow it is a little bit of trauma and on the 2nd of november it is a new world. he will get ten years of trauma and i am not prepared to sign up to that. keith says the remainers are taking the action they are now to prevent a no deal because they realise that borisjohnson is likely no deal because they realise that boris johnson is likely to no deal because they realise that borisjohnson is likely to get a good deal, which is the absolute last thing they want, which is true,

you voted against theresa may's deal three times. you want to stay. but i think a deal had many flaws. boris johnson appears to be negotiating about something even worse and he is not even negotiating, as the daily telegraph has highlighted. it appears to be a sham. i take great exception to that. we shall see what stephen hammond comes back with when he comes to speak to the prime minister. we are going towards a general election. we have a remain parliament. the british parliament is refusing to accept instructions at the british people thousand 16. that is unfair and some of your colleagues, who want to leave with a deal. -- refusing to accept the

instructions of the british people in 2016. ken clarke, philip hammond etc voted for leaving with a deal. parliament is not following the instructions of the british people, they deserve the opportunity to change parliament. how can you credibly say that the referendum vote in 2016 was a vote for leaving with no deal? it was a vote for leaving. how can you say it is a vote for leaving with no deal? which is what borisjohnson proposes. vote for leaving with no deal? which is what borisjohnson proposesm is what borisjohnson proposesm isa is what borisjohnson proposesm is a vote to leave. the prime minister has the opportunity to discuss that, dominic and i know how the european union works. it will be the european union works. it will be the last moment when they decided they want to sell the german cars in they want to sell the german cars in the prosecco production. we have a £95 billion trade deficit with the eu. thank you very much, have a good day. some more messages. is that

borisjohnson calling you to that meeting?! one person on twitter says we need brexit dealt with first, or at least delay for months rather than a at least delay for months rather thana snap at least delay for months rather than a snap election by a man desperate to get what he wants as he clumsily pulled johnson's strings. not on twitter, we need a general election to get the undemocratic mps out, those who have never accepted the result of the referendum. and she says let's have a general election and mps can face voters and explain why they had failed to deliver brexit —— andrew says. quisling mps will tremble. tony on twitter says i want to general election, the whole parliament needs a reboot. david says could anybody ask david miliband to come into politics and run a party of national unity? there with me. one more for now. as borisjohnson faces almost certain defeat in the commons, says

paul, tony blair was right to one jeremy corbyn under the opposition leaders not to full into the general election elephant trap. boris johnson has threatened remain tories. you could also call them anti no deal tories. essentially, with deselection, the sack. but what do mps' local parties think of that? we can now speak to sheela mackintosh—stewart, vice president and former chair of the beaconsfield conservative association. that's the consituency of mp dominic grieve, who told us just now he will vote against the government today. and councillor neil clarke, chairman of rushcliffe conservative association. that's the constitency of the former chancellor ken clarke. he's been a tory mp there for nearly 50 years, and he is expected to vote against the government and try to stop a no—deal brexit. let me begin with you, councillor clarke. would you really see your np of 50 is, ken clarke, who has served both the conservative party in the

country for five decades, thrown out of your party? that would be extremely sad. would you support it? ken has said the party and the country for, as you said, nearly 50 yea rs country for, as you said, nearly 50 years and it would be extremely sad if he voted against the government ina if he voted against the government in a vote of no confidence, which would mean he would then have the party whip withdrawn.” would mean he would then have the party whip withdrawn. i am asking you, would you support ken clarke being thrown out? it is not a cce pta ble being thrown out? it is not acceptable for conservative mps to vote against our own government in a vote against our own government in a vote of no confidence. it is not a vote of no confidence. it is not a vote of no confidence, it is ultimately a vote to try to stop a brexit without a deal. yes, but the ma nifesto brexit without a deal. yes, but the manifesto battle conservative mps stood on was to the eu. in a smooth

and orderly way, not like this. yes, but the vote was three years ago, there has been plenty of time. in and the time is no over and we need to get on with brexit and with other things that are stacking up in the country and need addressing. let me bring in sheela, vice president of the beaconsfield conservative association. would you support dominic grieve being thrown out of the conservative party?” dominic grieve being thrown out of the conservative party? i think the prime minister may pre—empt our decision if he removes the whip from dominic, the matinee be taken out of our hands. would you support that? —— the matter will be taken out of our hands. i am the vice president of the beaconsfield association and how they will have governance. to some extent i would not (inaudible)

but there are very strong sentiments and deep divisions within the constituency, as there is all over the country. i am trying to find out if you would support dominic grieve being thrown out? i suppose the answer would be, given that he and the other mps are trying to derail the other mps are trying to derail the prime minister from carrying out what he stood on in terms of wanting to get us out of brexit on october 30, any attempt to derail that would inevitably dart all neighbouring town the government, will inevitably have the consequence of an mp having the whip removed and therefore i think that, on that basis, the association is more likely than not to deselect him. would you support that all not? democracy rules,

rights, ultimately? if that is the voice of the association then i would have to, yes. councillor neil clarke, what would you say to ken clarke, what would you say to ken clarke who voted three times for a deal to leave the eu with a deal, mrs may's withdrawal agreement, and would argue to you now he is voting with his conscience to protect the nation's interest, jobs, livelihoods, medical supplies and so on? i accept that and i accept people voted remain and people voted leave. at the end of the day i appeal to ken, even at this late stage, please support borisjohnson on government policy in ensuring that we get a deal to leave the eu and brexit takes place on october 31. and if he ignores your appeal,

he has to go? that is the party policy that the government would withdraw the whip from him and obviously he would no longer be a conservative mp, which should be extremely sad. do you feel any guilt in supporting that?” extremely sad. do you feel any guilt in supporting that? i can't lecture can on politics, he has been in politics for over 50 years, he knows the rules, those are the rules of politics. rules is rules, i hear you. thank you very much for talking to us, councillor neil clark, chairman of the rushcliffe conservative association, and sheela mcintosh stuart, vice president and former chair of the beaconsfield conservative association. thank you for your messages about whether you would want a general election. this text says it is ironic that

remainers would refuse the most democratic option, and election, when it is the only option. lynn says we voted to leave, simple as that. any conservative mps trying to stop that should be deselected for going against the will of the people. this text says i want to referendum, a new one, so with all been no that we did not know first time around we have a clearer view of the consequences. paul says no general election. if boris johnson makes us crash out of europe, any party that wins would be held responsible for the chaos that would ensue. borisjohnson created it, let him be responsible. contact details are on screen. let me ask you this — have you or anyone you know started stockpiling food, bottled water or medication ahead of october the 31st? it's an issue we've talked about on the programme before, and we've heard from people up and down the country who say they're not sure what to expect after the uk

leaves the eu and so have started getting in extra supplies. for some people, it's notjust about pasta and baked beans. for some people, like my next guests, they rely on medicine and medical equipment for themselves and their loved ones and are worried about if they'll be able to get what they need if we leave the eu with no deal. the government's own leaked assessments, known as operation yellowhammer, warned of uk patients having to wait longerfor medicines, including insulin and flu vaccines. dr david nicholl is a consultant neurologist who contirbuted to operation yellowhammer, and then leaked some it. dan white is here. his 13—year—old daughter has spina bifida and he's been told by the pharmacist that it will take longer to get hold of some of her medication because of stockpiling. also here is paul clark. paul relies on specialist equipment to help him speak after being diagnosed with throat cancer in 2015. and we're alsojoined by the conservative mp for cleethorpes, martin vickers,

who backs the pm's brexit position. welcome, all of you. thank you for talking to us. dan white, tell us about your 13—year—old daughter, you have had trouble getting hold of some of the medication she needs to make her life with spina bifida easier? it is ironic that since the threat of a no deal came to light, that was the pivotal moment that the medication we were requiring suddenly became short in supply. why? | suddenly became short in supply. why? i spoke to the pharmacist at the time, i did not use the b—word but i said is it because of... she said yes, the manufacturer is under such pressure to manufacture. piling and also from pressures or doing —— pa rents and also from pressures or doing —— parents ordering large quantities. some people were tweeting me last night going onto half rations of medication because of no clarity from this government about what we

should be doing. there is no real, definite answer? martin vickers, what is the definite answer? talk to him, he is right there. until a few weeks ago i was on the health committee, we had the health secretary and other ministers before us secretary and other ministers before us and we received absolute assurance that systems were in place to ensure there would be no shortage of medicines. in actual fact, imc and the health secretary this evening about the constituency issue and will press on against rash i and seeing the health secretary. but we had to trust what the minister tells us. the government will not allow a situation where drugs are insured. how can you possibly be that certain? because i am aware of the planning that has gone into this obit many months. the general population are not aware the fact you have had this leak of operation

yellowhammer which you have and at it not up—to—date and we are getting lea ked it not up—to—date and we are getting leaked information from different tabloid sources and yourself and there is no definite answer. the first thing the british public do in situations like this is panic, which is understandable, because there is no definite answer. you want to look after your own. i can understand why you or any other individual wants to ensure that they or their loved ones have received those medicines. i say again, you have got to take on trust the fact that the government are not going to allow a situation where medicine run short. and if necessary they will be flown in from wherever. let me bring in paul clark. there are two gentlemen here do not take on trust what the health secretary says. paul, tell martin because about your own situation. the equipment i use on a daily basis comes from sweden. i order it monthly. i got about three months

excess supplies last year there is a problem. it's not life—threatening, i won't die if i don't have it. speaking to someone who gets medicine on a daily base, she does not get that, she dies and she's in same situation as are in and she does not believe the government has got a plan in place and if you do, why don't you tell us? your friend, if she does not get what she needs, she will die. how do you respond to that? i respond to that by saying that? i respond to that by saying that the government, with the help of the nhs and the doctors, will ensure that those medicines are available. yellowhammer, and government are always having to defend leaked documents that outline worst—case scenarios. . . defend leaked documents that outline worst-case scenarios... it's not the worst-case scenarios... it's not the worst case scenario. it is proper that the government should work on that. let me bring in doctor david

nicholls who contributed to operation yellowhammer. tell us what you leaked it. i think you need to know the background to this. in january, the special societies, they we re january, the special societies, they were asked for volunteers to ask for preparations help put no deal and what happened i spoke to my medical union who were worried about risk to care. i got the conventionally marked documents. i'm not signed up to the official sequence that did not sign an nda, but i became increasingly worried about the documents. i'm talking about neurology, one piece of the puzzle. essentially, some were created as a red and that was the highest priority, and you are right, pharmaceuticals are rated above food, very high level. then amber, where there is a problem but essentially people are not going to

die. and green, we can think of something else. i'm more worried about the numbers. i've had no feedback at all about the plan is full to what kind of drugs are you talking about? for example, i had a patient a couple of weeks ago with neuralgia would be on the standard treatment for that and had developed life—threatening stevens—johnson syndrome and had to go on another drug which is second line treatment, which i happen to know is on the list of the ones that is a problem shortlisting and i felt really uncomfortable. i knew it was amber but possibly red. this put me under a huge amount of pressure at the time. at the time of the response from matt hancock, and i hadn't realised this, there was a story in the papers suggesting newsnight were scaremongering, knowing that yellowhammer is not the worst case

scenario, it was absolutely true. and i want to congratulate all of your previous guests, i'm not a natural tory but stephen hammond is a secret hero for what he did. back in february he did tell about the worst case scenario. he wrote about the body bags and we haven't even talked about that. we will -- remind our audience. they are stockpiling body bags for the risk of an increased mortality rate. those people who support but it need to be aware what level of harm they are willing to accept. white is a government stockpiling body bags? i'm not aware that they are. if they are, why do you think they are? i've no idea. there is only one reason, if that's true. on what basis do you fear more deaths? you're saying...

you're asking me... is the same question. i was dealing with epilepsy, life—threatening condition. neuropathic pain i is listed as amber. if you got that, you might think it would cause disruption and i think a lot of people would be quite distressed as that but your tongue to make a choice between life—threatening and morbidity dash market trying to make a choice. do you accept that? that's a choice. do you accept that? that's a really an comfortable position. why do you think that if paul and dan and others who have issues, why do you think that through their gp and the nhs, they will not be able to deal with this situation? the ironic thing is that we import three quarters about medication from the eua quarters about medication from the eu a lot of it has a shelf life and it will not keep in stock. answer white yacht stockpiling body backs

the non—answer because it speaks for yourself —— why are you stockpiling. it speaks of a high mortality rate. i speak to people who are under half medicine or not taking any at all. where is the moralistic viewpoint ate no—deal brexit? what is the moral view of that when it puts lives at risk? that's a good question. please answer that question. please answer that question. i don't accept that a no—deal brexit is going to bring about a greater mortality. . why would you even risk it? the government has a duty to implement the decision of the referendum. i hope that all four of us can agree on that. so you would risk people getting their life—saving medicine... of course not. you're completely misrepresenting what i'm saying, victoria. what i'm saying is

that the government for the last three years as been planning a possible no deal exit. we recall that theresa may said about no deal... the same programme that phillip hammond and all these other people are stood on for the last three years. detailed planning has been going on with the health service and the health bodies over many years. despite that, dan is facing shortages force 13—year—old daughter with spina bifida and paul, who needs specialist medical equipment in order to communicate, is having to order extra because he has no idea what will happen. and one of my friends that i speak to, they are a lot worse than i am. they can't get three month supply. they can't get three month supply. they can get one month when potentially, if there is a problem at dover or whatever, i don't believe you. why

wouldn't you believe the government? when they would fly the drugs in. do you accept that yellowhammer is not the worst case scenario? you worked on it, i'm prepared to accept it. when the story came out, michael gove said the worst case can aria that was untrue. it is very difficult when governments answers are liesjust look at difficult when governments answers are lies just look at worst—case scenario. if you lose trust you lose everything. the department of health system as pa rt everything. the department of health system as part of —— at the proms do everything appropriate to prepare for brexit for that we want to reassure patients that we should be fully prepared for living on october the 31st, whatever the circumstances. should. we are taking all appropriate steps, meaning our plans should ensure the supply of medicines and medical products remains uninterrupted when we leave the eu possible is that reassuring enough? you can always read into these statements the opposite if

you're determined to do that. i'm content with that. i can understand why paul and dan and people who are directly affected are nervous and i would urge them to work closely with theirgps and the would urge them to work closely with their gps and the health services. we are. and i cant reassure viewers that the government takes very seriously these concerns. they have spent years planning them and i'm confident that when the secretary of state says to me in the house of commons that he is confident that systems are in place, then i am happy to accept his word. i'm sorry, he is winging it. there is an attempt at the weekend, i sent the same attempt at the weekend, i sent the sa m e stuff attempt at the weekend, i sent the same stuff i did to newsnight they approached the royal college of physicians, the ones who asked to give advice and they have not been sought advice since march. you can put those plans on bank piece of

paper. they are winging it. you called into lbc whenjacob rees—mogg was on the airwaves and he said you we re was on the airwaves and he said you were there minding that would fear mongering. it is completely invalid for them if you had any quotes about my probity, and i saw the fault and i wrote to the health select committee, i'm quite happy for me to be reported of the gmc and will talk about the details but my conscience is absolutely clear that i did the right thing. you are right, jacob rees—mogg calling you that was pot calling the kettle black in that respect for what this government has done to the general populace with its lack of information and clarity and empathy and the lack of morality around brexit, completely leaving all of us, 1.5 million disabled children, parent and young carers, cutting back on stuff that keeps them going day today because we have no definite answer. we are getting tabloid headlines, snippets on twitter. there is no clarity. it is morally incorrect to put people at risk because of this situation.

there is no reason, it is morally incorrect. if you're taking the information from the tabloids... that's the only place we are getting them from. and twitter you should listen to what the government says in the house of commons. with respect, i was in the room... same situation. ..the . . the drugs i have to have, blood and other medical tests before mike medical team can release the drugs that i need to live the maxxum i get

released at one time is one month's worth but what concerns me most, and i have been able to find out virtually no information on this, is the compassionate use drugs scheme which by all accounts will disappear if we leave the european medical agency. thank you very much to all of you for coming on the programme. thank you for talking to our audience. martin vickers, dan white, paul clark, thank you very much for coming on and doctor david nichol, thank you very much. we are going to bring in some more guests. you might be able to hear the protesters who are infine be able to hear the protesters who are in fine voice this morning from about seven o'clock according to our collea g u es about seven o'clock according to our colleagues on breakfast. there was at least one shouting stop the coop with a megaphone, as is their right. thank you for your messages, sent in an e—mail. mac says, they should all lose theirjobs cut their not fit

for purpose, this lot. shame on them. i think he is talking generally about parliament. robert says, a general election would solve absolutely nothing and might make matters worse as the electorate is so divided and the resolution of the deadlock is in the hands of the eu because ultimately they are calling the shots otherwise it is certain there will be no deal. we broke the news this morning that various conservative mps who are considering voting against the government later today were asked to come to a meeting with borisjohnson this morning. we had stephen hammond, the former health minister, with a scot who revealed publicly that he would be voting against the government tonight. he had to leave our interview earlier because he was going to meet borisjohnson and ask him to publish his proposals for a negotiated deal with the eu. depending on what answer he got

effect whether a final it he would vote against the government later this evening. he was fairly emotional about the prospect of losing hisjob, being deselected for voting against the government possibly said he had been a dedicated servant to the party for decades, a member of the conservative party since he was 20, now 56, and he felt very sad, to use his words, that it had come to this. we can talk now to the former education secretary, conservative mp for putney, justine greening. you are throwing the towel and, you will not stand in the next general election, whenever that may be possible i'm not running for the conservatives. i am planning to continue all the campaigning i do on social mobility but just continue all the campaigning i do on social mobility butjust outside parliament because it is totally gridlocked on exit. will you stand as an independent?” gridlocked on exit. will you stand as an independent? i will keep on doing my social mobility campaign andi doing my social mobility campaign and i think i'm best place to have and i think i'm best place to have an impact on the ground outside parliament. but you're giving up.

i'm not giving up, i've done 16 yea rs i'm not giving up, i've done 16 years and won four elections! you're giving up this fight. no, i'm saying that i think parliament as my vehicle for change has increasingly become moribund as it has come overta ken become moribund as it has come ove rta ke n by become moribund as it has come overtaken by brexit myopia and i don't see that changing anytime soon so my decision is, do i want to be here voting on trade deal bills for yea rs, here voting on trade deal bills for years, or, given how much i care about social mobility to my left cabinet to keep campaigning on it, i prefer cabinet to keep campaigning on it, i p refer to cabinet to keep campaigning on it, i prefer to be outside parliament generally making a difference on the ground for young people an opportunity and that's what i will do. boris johnson might say to stay because when we get brexit done, i'm going to spend you know he is promising to splash the cash. he is going to spend on schools and reform public services, spent on the nhs, all the things you probably care about. i think it is more than just investment. but the bottom line is that government does not have all the answers on social mobility anyway. i have been working with

businesses up and down the country to ask them to change, to offer more opportunities in more communities. i think the reality is that if we do end up leaving the eu on the 31st, this is the beginning parliament to's work on brexit. it is highly likely we will leave with no deal. there will be a lot of work to then basically reverse engineer all those deals we should have been sorting out before potter it's a bit like moving home but with no idea of where you're going, you have not sought out any utilities that you don't know how you will get broadband, all of that stuff has to be put in place. parliament will be working on that. i think it will be a real mess for britain and i'm very worried about what that will do two jobs and peoples livelihoods. the truth is, your party doesn't want people like you anymore.” truth is, your party doesn't want people like you anymore. i think it certainly isn't interested in the views of my community, which overwhelmingly voted to remain i think that's wrong. i think any

successful party that wants to govern for the whole country has to bea govern for the whole country has to be a broad church. i have been representing my community in parliament over the past year, certainly as we have seen on these brexit votes, and i think to now be confronted with having the whip withdrawn because i've done myjob of representing my patch, i think thatis of representing my patch, i think that is a self—defeating move by the government. because whoever the mp for putney is, theirjob is to represent our community in parliament and they are will almost certainly vote exactly how i have donein certainly vote exactly how i have done in the future. that is the issue that borisjohnson should confront. not necessarily because potentially the plan could be to get rid of people like yourself, you have made that decision voluntarily, but to get rid of others and so when it comes to an election, every conservative candidate is signed up to borisjohnson conservative candidate is signed up to boris johnson park conservative candidate is signed up to borisjohnson park brexit plan. i'm sure it might be more convenient for number 10 to have almost a

uniform set of candidates but the reality is that britain is a ta pestry of reality is that britain is a tapestry of very different communities who will elect very different mps. communities who will elect very different mp5. to close down being able to represent a whole swathes of public opinion in order to have some party discipline, i think that is truly self—defeating as i've said. parties are successful and govern it successfully when they build a coalition of support across the country and the fact that we have seen the government trying to close down parliament and now close down debate even in the conservative party come to my mind that is not a healthy sign of a healthy government or party and i don't think it is healthy for our democracy. talking of democracy, you did not want to deliver brexit at all, did you?” was happy to vote for a brexit deal that delivered on the promises to the people who voted for brexit in

the people who voted for brexit in the referendum and both prime ministers, theresa may and boris johnson, have set themselves clear red lines on europe. we heard from david ames that we would have the exact same benefits. —— david davis. i'm still waiting to see what the plan is that it delivers on all of that. i recognised from talking to brexiteers who actually were the people who voted down theresa may's deal overwhelmingly, including boris johnson, i recognised that for them, that deal was not delivering brexit. i want to see what they think is in a way that preserves the good friday agreement, preserves our trade deals, and i haven't seen that yet. i'm hoping boris can come back with something from brussels but obviously he has not been yet. i think many people are concerned that actually we are now running down the clock and the country will be faced with no deal which absolutely was not what people were told brexit would be and that's why i'm so concerned. to confirm a couple of things from your point of view,

later today you will vote to stop this country leaving without a deal? you will vote to defeat the government? i will vote to have a bill debated by parliament tomorrow that, from my perspective, keeps all the options on the table, including no deal, but allows parliament the decision on those options because we area decision on those options because we are a parliamentary democracy. if boris comes back with a deal, we will be able to vote on that. if he comes back and says i haven't got a deal, we need to do it no deal, we will vote on that so were not taking anything off the table and that is important but it means mps get to vote for their communities on those options. and in terms of if you asked to vote for a general election, will you vote for a general election or against one? not if it is a general election that simply dissolves parliament, finds a different way, not prorogation, dissolved it to have an election

that means options are taken off the table for the public and we end up with no deal when people have not had the chance to vote for it. what i'm doing today with my vote over the next 48 hours is to keep options on the table for parliament and the public so we can choose. and final question if boris johnson public so we can choose. and final question if borisjohnson does come back with a deal, and he said yesterday in downing street that the chances of a deal were rising, if he comes back with some amended deal, would you vote for that? we can see what it says, just like i did with theresa may i will obviously want to know what my community think about it. your community don't want to leave with no deal so why wouldn't you vote for a deal, as ruth davidson said, at the fourth time of asking, for god sake, she said.” think my analogy was knocked about missing the open goal, my analogy would be, when so many tells you there's a brick wall over there and you shouldn't run into it, running into it a fourth time, you've only got yourself to blame. the reality

is that the withdrawal agreement and deal negotiated by theresa may deeply unpopular with both levers and remainers and to my mind that cannot be the basis for a sensible, sustainable path forward on resolving brexit. thank you very much for coming on the programme. conservative mp for putneyjustine greening. some your messages. thank you for getting to touch because you're crucial in this. richard says, i believe boris johnson is doing the correct thing in threatening mps with deselection for potentially going against the will of the people and their own party. i voted to remain and was bitterly disappointed at the result of the referendum but as a firm believer in democracy, i have accepted the result and i know that asa accepted the result and i know that as a businessman, in order to secure any deal could be it with other companies or in this case with the eu, walking away from talks, ie no deal, needs to be left on the table to make strength in those talks.

sarah says, the tory party is cannibalising itself before our eyes. the hard brexiteers are about to score the ultimate pyrrhic victory can lead europe but destroy themselves and the economy and render themselves unelectable for a generation in the process. they deserve a complete kicking in the election whenever it is called. this says, we need another referendum, we need clarity. borisjohnson is not acting in an open and trustworthy way. we need to know the full deal and the plans for the future. thank you for them, keep them coming in. we have a few minutes before the end of the programme so we are going to talk to ourfinal guests. of the programme so we are going to talk to our final guests. from labour, owen smith, and pete wishart from the scottish national party. and you have the mp for pontypridd, i have been reminded.” and you have the mp for pontypridd, i have been reminded. i am! thank you for coming on. labour, if they are required to vote for or against

are required to vote for or against a general election, what will they do? i'm not sure at the moment because i've heard mixed messages. my because i've heard mixed messages. my view is that we should vote against a general election that is being sold to us by borisjohnson who thinks he is playing the entire country for. he has clearly been intending to have a general election on these terms, masquerading as the representative of the people against the elite in parliament. we should not be suckered into that. when dominic raab says on the radio that would be the mother of all u—turns from labour, you say so what. my view has always been that brexit is a complete disaster for the country and for the labour party and therefore the labour party should be clear that we should oppose it and we should have been clear about that for the last three years. we should continue to be clear about that. the worst form of brexit, the no deal thatis worst form of brexit, the no deal that is now on offer, we cannot allow borisjohnson to use a general election as cover to deliver that and the hard ride government that would follow it. what about

yourself? if you are required to vote on whether to have an election, which way do you go?” vote on whether to have an election, which way do you go? i think the first priority is ensuring that you get no deal to get off the table so we will be doing anything possible to support the legislation proposed today. the intention of the prime minister to call a general election, we would welcome that, and one sure way to get rid of no deal not just ta ke way to get rid of no deal not just take it off the table but take boris off the table and his government, the government that is proposing this and once this is a solution. we would welcome an election for that opportunity but i'm surprised at the response from labour when it comes to this. i find it difficult to give up to this. i find it difficult to give up with the various positions they seem to have held in the last 24 hours. i thought they were for a general election and then they went and thena general election and then they went and then a sort of general election and then a sort of general election and though it seems they are not for and though it seems they are not for a general election again. you're going to have to get your act together, surely. yes, mps are possibly objecting to an independent

scotla nd possibly objecting to an independent scotland datum at the snp's objective. they think those are the better circumstances for them to argue that scotla nd circumstances for them to argue that scotland should go its own way and it is clear so they will vote for an election because they think that gives rise to a tory government they can argue against. in labour, if we believe that brexit is bad for our country and we believe that boris johnson and the unelected svengali dominic cummings, who seems to be running the country, think the best way to deliver themselves a mandate and a hard brexit is to have an election in the immediate future, we have got to see that for the trap that it is. would you describe yourself as a democrat but a mug of course. so why are you not honouring in the result of the referendum. i don't remember any bay saying, including borisjohnson, i don't remember any bay saying, including boris johnson, that i don't remember any bay saying, including borisjohnson, that we would have a no—deal brexit dash anybody saying. i've always said i wa nt to anybody saying. i've always said i want to stop brexit. so how can you

bea want to stop brexit. so how can you be a democrat? i've always said that i'm infavourof be a democrat? i've always said that i'm in favour of a second referendum in order to allow the country... you're a democrat when it suits you. i'm a democrat absolutely.” you're a democrat when it suits you. i'm a democrat absolutely. i have beena i'm a democrat absolutely. i have been a consistent democrat scott has opposed this all the way through and i want to ensure that our voice is recognised in the process and have the right to choose for some thank you very much for coming on. stay with bbc news, it will be a busy day, night and week. thank you for your company. hello, there is some rain in the north—west of uk but drier and brighter the further south and east you are. the rain in north—west scotla nd you are. the rain in north—west scotland will push north—eastwards with some rain for northern ireland

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you're watching bbc newsroom live withjoanna gosling in westminster. the headlines at 11: a momentous day as westminster prepares for a showdown. the prime minister says nothing will make him delay brexit and he could trigger a snap election. tory rebels are working with opposition mps to bring forward a bill designed to stop a no—deal brexit. i think we will have the numbers. many colleagues have been incensed by some of the actions over the last week or so. jeremy corbyn says labour is ready for a general election, but the party may block going to the polls before 31st october to stop a no—deal brexit. we can have both a legislative lockdown to prevent borisjohnson