you're watching a bbc news special. we are live at westminster, where an emergency commons debate is under way to try to force the prime minister to delay brexit. the prime minister has told mps in the commons to reject the bill, saying it would "destroy any chance" of an agreement with the eu. that's what they want. to undermine our negotiations, to force us to beg, to force us to beg for yet another pointless delay! if that happens, all the progress that we've been making will have been for nothing. the motion was presented to the house by conservative mp sir oliver letwin. he said the government had failed to provide an alternative brexit proposal.

the prime minister is much in the position of someone standing on one side of a canyon, shouting to people on the other side of the canyon that if they do not do as he wishes, he will throw himself into the abyss. that is not a credible negotiating strategy. it comes as conservative mp philip lee defects to the lib dems, leaving the government with no working majority. and this is the scene in the commons right now as that debate continues. we will bring you all the debate in the reaction.

a very good evening. welcome back to westminster. we are about an hour into the emergency debate in the house of commons, aimed at preventing a new deal brexit. the motion was presented to the house by conservative mp sir oliver letwin — who said that in light of parliament being suspended later this month, it has become "urgent" to discuss whether mps accept the possibility of a no—deal brexit. if the idea is approved, legislation designed to block a no—deal brexit will be introduced tomorrrow. it comes as the prime minister, borisjohnson, has lost his working majority in parliament. phillip lee crossed the floor to sit with the liberal democrats as the prime minister was addressing mps earlier. the government's intention or willingness to leave the country into a no—deal exit is a threat to oui’ into a no—deal exit is a threat to our country, the prime minister is much in the position of someone standing on one side of a canyon,

shouting to people on the other side of the canyon that if they do not do as he wishes, he will throw himself into the abyss. that is not a credible negotiating strategy. and it is also not a responsible strategy, given that the risk that there is to be dragged over the edge with the prime minister. oliver letwin, conservative mp, who is one of the sponsors of the motion. labour leaderjeremy corbyn explained why he thinks the legislation to block a no—deal brexit is so important and should be passed. this bill does not close other options to resolve the brexit impasse. this bill is about preventing a damaging no—deal which this government has no mandate for and for which there is very little public support. the bill is designed purely to provide vital breathing

space, defined an alternate way through the brexit mess. this and the previous government have created. today, mr speaker, is another historic day in parliament. it is our chance to seize this last opportunity, to stand up to a bully and government that has shown itself ready to dodge scrutiny and silence debate. if we do not ask today, we may not get another chance. whether people voted leave or remain, they did not vote to shutdown democracy. as their large did not vote to shutdown democracy. as theirlarge numberof did not vote to shutdown democracy. as their large number of people who are on the streets last saturday from both leave and remain views we re very concerned from both leave and remain views were very concerned about the way in which this government is trying to shut down which this government is trying to shutdown debate, shutdown democracy and lead us into what i believe would be the problems of a no—deal brexit.

but the leader of the house of commons, jacob rees—mogg, reiterated the government's commitment to taking the uk out of the eu by the 31st of october. the prime minister has said to him including in his statement earlier, this government is absolutely committed to delivering brexit on the slst of october. we must deliver the slst of october. we must deliver the largest democratic mandate in the largest democratic mandate in the nation's history. delivering the referendum result requires this house to respect the voice of the people, as expressed in that historic vote, and so far the house has failed to do so. and now, instead of backing the prime ministerand giving him instead of backing the prime minister and giving him the best possible chance of securing a deal before the uk leaves the european union, on the slst of october, we find ourselves debating a proposition that seeks to confound the referendum result again. mr speaker, i wish to be clear. what is

proposed today is constitutionally irregular. let's just show you the pictures live from the house of commons we are aboutan live from the house of commons we are about an hour into the debate. probably we will not get a vote until 9:30pm, probably we will not get a vote until9z30pm, 10pm. we probably we will not get a vote until 9:30pm, 10pm. we will dip into the debate as it progresses, stay with us for that. joining me is jack blanchard, editor of politico's london playbook. thank you for waiting with me patiently. we are trying to get as much of the debate as we can. we should be reminding people, what they are attempting to do, the so—called rebel alliance, is take hold of the process tomorrow. this is the sort of thing that would never happen in normal times. never in the history before recently have

we seen backbench mps do this, but with the health of the common speakerjohn bercow, having a vote to ta ke speakerjohn bercow, having a vote to take control of parliaments tomorrow and put forward their own laws instead of the way the government would normally do it. this would be in a series of big votes tonight. if they win tonight, as we expect them to come and they will have control of parliament tomorrow and tomorrow afternoon, they will bring forward this law they will bring forward this law they think is going to rule out a no—deal brexit. there will be more votes to come afternoon the night but the important point is that they got the numbers to win tonight, and they think they've got the win tomorrow as well tomorrow, the same mps turning up tomorrow to get the bill into law. how many rebels? the whips have been implying the thumbscrews today. how many have taken the bait and will vote with the government? we do not know. it looks like there are enough. potentially ten, 15, higher than

that. we have never really seen the conservative party do something like this for many, many years, saying if you do not vote with the government tonight, we are effectively going to end your careers. you will be out of the party, you will not stand for us again asa the party, you will not stand for us again as a candidate again in the general election. those mps, and i was chatting to one of the earlier, they have got a real heavy hearts with what they're doing today. they are doing it because they think it is the right thing to do for the country even though they know this means however many decades they might have spent as part of the conservative party, as an mp working here, all of that is going to come to an end and. two former chancellors, a host of ministers, church or‘s grandson. —— churchill. which will pain borisjohnson more than any of the others. throwing churchill's grandson out of the party, really for voting his

conscience, is something boris johnson is going to find difficult. when you look at the day, extraordinary developing throughout the day, i get the sense of what we have seen is a battle for the heart of the conservative party. philip hammond, who was incandescent on the radio, and then you get philip lee crossing the chamber just radio, and then you get philip lee crossing the chamberjust as boris johnson gets to his feet. people like alister birch and justine greening saying the party is not the party ijoined before. are we seeing a shift here within the conservative party? is it moving quite liberally onto the turf of the brexit party was —— quite deliberately on the turf of the breasted party —— brexit party. -- brexit party. these are not... they are lifelong mps lifelong members, people who have worked, spent their whole lives to this cause, suddenly finding the shift

the borisjohnson has delivered in a matter of weeks pushed some by nigel farage in that direction, they say they can neither feel part of this party. the conservative party has prided themselves on being quite a broad church. you could see it from number ten's position that if you're going to have an election, you do not want to come back with the majority and have tony or 30 who are still not signed up to what you wa nt to are still not signed up to what you want to do. that is definitely their view. there are other view is these are not normal times, not normal votes. this is not some deal on education there has been an argument about. this is a fundamental matter of principle, where is the country going? and they see it as a confidence issue in the prime minister. jack, always great to have your time. jack blanchard. our chief political correspondent, vicki young, is in the central lobby of the houses of parliament.

i think has emily thornberry with her. that is right. that debate under way. argument we have heard many of them before. organs going on, inside that chamber. notjust between the government and opposition parties but the government and many of their own backbenchers. that vote coming a little bit later on this evening. let's speak to labour's emily thornberry. let's assume for a minute the government is defeated tonight in this bill does come forward tomorrow. labour is backing that's. your critics say it's not just about an extension, is about trying to stop brexit. no, it is about stopping a no—deal brexit on the 31st of october and it is trying to control an uncontrollable and dishonest governments, that is trying to do everything in order to bounce this country out of europe without there being a deal. that sort of responsible behaviour, we cannot countenance. you triggered

article 50 and then you did not back ideal. labour is as responsive as some other people are for this.” tell you what. we really tried. for two and a half, three years, to get a deal, and we made it perfectly here what it is we wanted. we had oui’ here what it is we wanted. we had our tests, we did five weeks, six weeks negotiations with the conservatives. we did try but we said the deal that theresa may brought forward did not... i did not wa nt brought forward did not... i did not want us to leave the european union. icampaigned to want us to leave the european union. i campaigned to remain. if there was a vote tomorrow, i would vote to remain, but we have been told by the british public what it was they wanted us to do and so therefore, we are trying to get a deal but only one that would mean that people would not lose theirjobs. but that is gone. that is gone. and now we are... another delay of another three months. what is the purpose of that? the immediate purpose is to stop us bouncing out of europe without a deal, whereby there will be shortages of medicines. people

with schedule for india —— schizophrenia may not have adequate medicines because that is not being stockpiled. adequate food. iron member in the past, our country has had ration... that was not something we chose, and i was forced on us because we had a war. this is going to bea because we had a war. this is going to be a choice by this government that they want us to have adequate food, whatever that means, and cues around the block for petrol. we cannot have this and we will not agree to it. at some point, the opposition and this conservative mps will have to decide what it is that they do want, and that has been the problem over the last three years. you have not been able to agree what you want, maybe a second referendum, but there are not the numbers for that. what we're doing is facing in a stream government who is irrational and just into chaos, so we are trying to protect our from

no—deal. we are passing legislation to stop no—deal. we wanted a general election... boris johnson is. i only believe him? if it is in law, if he brings forward a bill and it is in there, why could you not vote for it? so we have to trust this man? in law. and then what about having the royal prerogative, or otherwise? he is going to prorogue parliament, locking us out of the building, and we have to say, ok, borisjohnson, we have to say, ok, borisjohnson, we trust you. of course we agree you will do as you promise also buy would we ever say that? i shadowed

borisjohnson for two would we ever say that? i shadowed boris johnson for two years. his only ministerialjob before he became part minister. i know him well and i know he is unreliable, he is not honest and i would not trust him, even if he was in law. unless it was guaranteed he could not wriggle out of it. let's take it one step at a time. are you worried the voters... what we're saying to him is if you want to have an election, you need to have two thirds of parliaments to vote for it and essentially if you use the mechanism that you want to use at the moment, we would vote for a general election. you would stick it in your back pocket, like us out of the building and say, trust me, i'm going to have an election on this given date. and he can change it. and given the nature of the men and given the nature of the current government, this is a government thatis government, this is a government that is tonight going to throw out 20 members of parliament churchill's

grandson, who is a long—standing memberof the cabinet, grandson, who is a long—standing member of the cabinet, going to no longer be conservative mps. we are going to have a very different conservative governments to the one we have had now, but we think there is another way, and of course we wa nt is another way, and of course we want a labour government and we will go for a general election. at the time of our choosing, not at the time of our choosing, not at the time of our choosing, not at the time ofa time of our choosing, not at the time of a wing and a prayer offered to us by borisjohnson. time of a wing and a prayer offered to us by boris johnson. 0k, emily thornberry, think you very much indeed. we are slightly hitting ahead of ourselves. if mps do when tonight, it is possible boris johnson will get up and challenge labourfor a general johnson will get up and challenge labour for a general election. vicki youngin labour for a general election. vicki young in the lobby. we'll come back to you. the cross party initiative has been boosted by the conservative mp, philip lee, defecting to the liberal democrats. and include public fashion. he took his seat alongside joe and include public fashion. he took his seat alongsidejoe swenson, the

lib dem leader ——jo swinson. a little earlier, my colleague huw edwards asked mr lee why he felt compelled to leave his party. i have been a member of the conservative party for over 20 yea rs. conservative party for over 20 years. in recent months, ifelt uncovered but represent my constituents is eight conservative mac member of parliament. —— uncovered about. i feel strongly i can fill the duty first as a member opponent for the liberal democratic party. tell us about the conversation you had with cabinet ministers in recent days and what kind of impact they made on you.” have not had any representations, to be honest. i strongly believe, and have done, that the brexit the public are going to get is 90 brexit we re public are going to get is 90 brexit were promised. and i don't think that's except a bond that is why i think brexit should be taken back to the public in a people's vote —— not

the public in a people's vote —— not the brexit they were delivered. the former conservative mp philip lee, a liberal democrat, who has across the chamber and cost boris johnson his majority of one. joining me now is the liberal democrat mp layla moran. quite a day for you! two shiny new mps! and although i know you are wa ry mps! and although i know you are wary of the election, you must... this is the thing. if anyone should be gunning for an election right now, it should be the liberal democrats. we know we would do well with our unequivocal stop exit sense. even with that, we are insisting putting the country first. the problem with putting an election now, which is what we hear boris johnson is likely to do if he loses this evening, is that it doesn't guarantee no—deal brexit will be off

the tables of a feel of the number of days it would take between the end of a general election, even if it were on the 14th of october... anything that comes out of boris johnson's mouth, i assume is not going to happen. i have absolutely no trust him at all. to stop no—deal brexit after that point would take us brexit after that point would take us beyond the deadline for we have to do this, this week. borisjohnson is playing fast and loose with the country, and it is interesting philip lee saw that today and chose to cross the floor. i have been talking to mps on your site today who her saying we have got to take no—deal off the table. if boris johnson was returning with an orchard —— with the majority, no—deal would be on the table.” think we do need to get to the point where if we cannot stop it at this time, we have to put revoking article 50 back on the table. find a

compromise. there's been no appetite for copper as on either side. —— for compromise on either side. what we are seeing, i would argue, is democracy in action. for those who say 17.4 million people voted for this? i have the solution is to find a compromise. even in camp, there is a compromise. even in camp, there is a range of views... in oxford, there was a march on saturday about prorogation. there were levers at the march because what borisjohnson seems to have done is unite lots of people against him. the way he is behaving as utterly audacious. the other thing he did is unite those of us other thing he did is unite those of us who want to stop no—deal together, and in what we are seeing is people... people i did not think voting with us talking about doing

so, standing up and talking in support of this motion this evening. i think it will continue to vote with us of the week. layla moran, have to leave it there. layla moran, the lib dem mp for oxford west. so what could tonight's vote in the house of commons mean for britain's departure from the eu and how might the outcome lead to a general election next month? our deputy political editor john pienaar has been looking at the possible implications. people see parliament as the place our politicians play political games. well, forget that. tonight, tomorrow, it's a fight. it will shape british politics and all our future for years, maybe generations. a battle between parties, within parties, and no neutrals. not even the speaker, john bercow, who has made it his mission to see the commons, notjust the government, has a say and get its way, even if that means rewriting the rules that he is there to referee. so tonight's big vote is about giving mps, and later peers, the chance to pass a law to block a no—deal brexit and force borisjohnson's government

to seek and accept another delay to brexit, past october the 31st, maybe until next january. he has warned conservatives who rebel and vote for that that they'd be kicked out of the parliamentary party, banned from standing as tory candidates. a purge is what it's being called, and the pm's counter move? the huge gamble of trying to call a snap election maybe as soon as october the 14th, on a choice believes he would win — for brexit, with or without an eu deal, or against. but would the commons allow a snap election on borisjohnson's terms? could mps stop it happening? many would try. well, a lot depends onjeremy corbyn. he's been saying almost daily, "bring on the election." but many on labour's side have been insisting that stopping a no—deal brexit must come first, before an election, before a new referendum that some of them want. but either way, it takes two thirds of the commons, 434 mps,

to agree an early election. mr corbyn's opposition could stop it going ahead, unless the government finds another way. so, what about the eu? what will they make of it? well, the next eu leaders' summit is on october the 17th. who would be there for britain if a snap election comes first? a labour pm offering another referendum, or a re—elected tory with a new mandate, wanting a better deal or to leave without one? if there is no election, well, there is still no clear sign of eu leaders like president macron of france or angela merkel of germany dropping their demand that the eu single market must be protected, as they see it, after brexit. now, that means some controls covering the irish border. unless there is a compromise on that, we could leave with no deal. high stakes? they could hardly be any higher. the prime minister has been described as bringing new focus, new determination to brexit. hard to disagree with that.

though he has also accelerated britain's journey towards new risks — critics say new dangers — and whatever happens, towards political splits and public recriminations of a kind no—one has seen before. john pienaar bringing us up to speed with what might happen in the next week. we will see everyone trying to game out what scenarios might unfold. with me now is dawn foster, columnist for the guardian, and former government advisor, chris white. nick want from newsnight has just been tweeting that friends and allies of boris johnson been tweeting that friends and allies of borisjohnson and house of lords are going to put forward about 90 amendments tomorrow to and to the buster, to talk out a business motion that has been put forward. expand that to us and what they might be trying to do. the government is probably going to lose in the comments tomorrow, so the bill will pass to the house of lords. the government is basic tried to stop that bill being debated and

progressing to the house of lords, because that is where at the moment the house of lords don't have any prorogation. there is no knives in the debate is say we are going to stop at this time in this time. the labour leader in the house of lords has said we would finish second reading at 7pm on thursday, finish all remaining stages of the bill 5pm friday. what nick has reported is 90 minutes have gone to that basement done business motion —— onto that business motion —— onto that business motion. every can speak to that and they will try and talk and push into the weekend. will it work? i don't think it will. the majority is there in the house of lords to stop a no—deal brexit. i think it's going to be a very long night, a lot of people in camp beds who don't think in reality it is going to

work. dominic cummings is a fan of game theory but there is game theory on all sides at the moment! what do you see... there going to be presented with a motion tomorrow for a general election for study do they vote for it? i think labour will end up vote for it? i think labour will end up pushing for general election. there was everything to gain for pushing for a general election and nothing to lose. they will be some labour mps who don't want to go for a general election, a small number who would much rather see a second referendum or push through brexit than they would seeing an election. and for the vast majority of labour mps, they won't get another chance, realistically, before 2022 to actually increase the labour majority. and it's much easier sell to their constituents in the coming weeks to say, it is much better for us weeks to say, it is much better for us to have a labour government making the case for brexit than,

even to the brexiteer voters back at home. would they be happy doing for an election... the concern expressed by labour mps an election... the concern expressed by labourmpsi an election... the concern expressed by labour mps i spoke to his boris johnson code at a later date change the date of the election, potentially moving past the exit date on october 31. potentially but given it's only been six weeks since borisjohnson really given it's only been six weeks since boris johnson really came given it's only been six weeks since borisjohnson really came in, and the amount of goodwill he has axley lost since then, i think even if forced johnson does do that, does push the date back later, i think it's very unlikely that it will actually be to labour's detriment. borisjohnson, if everything seems to suggest we leave with a no—deal brexit and there is a slightest hint of medicine shortages, all we will see from there is labour games and tory losses at the polls, that is not what borisjohnson tory losses at the polls, that is not what boris johnson wants. very

quickly, we are jumping not what boris johnson wants. very quickly, we arejumping ahead. we very much could be into an election campaign tomorrow. interesting strategy, isn't it, for the conservative party kwes —— conservative party? -- conservative party? if... of deacons over the party looks at that and tries to unite the right of the centre behind one candidate, it makes it really difficult for labour and liberal democrats, both around the early 20% of the vote. the problem with having an election tomorrow, in terms of voting for it, is what will the election be held before october? will the parliament go back before the 31st? will there be enough time for a government to implement it? lovely get your thoughts. it is very balmy evening in westminster. it's been colder. let's find out what the weather

hasn't tore for us. it's been a pretty cloudy day today, and the rain is pushing eastwards across england and was at the moment. this rain band is going to be quite intense. heavy downpours and some eventually quite squally gusty winds for a time, and that rain clears through, to be followed by showers across scotland and northern ireland. looking at the weather picture for tomorrow. we have got to weather fronts on our charts, one a cold front from you that ran across eastern england, and inclusion bringing outbreaks of rain ultimately. the winds will turn to a more northerly direction. it is going to get colder for quite a few of us. wednesday, the winds will clear. sunshine for a time. quite a cloudy date with bursts of heavy rain and it is to the afternoon with those northerly winds feeding in it is going to start to turn quite chilly across northern scotland.

temperatures in aberdeen throughout the afternoon about 30. —— 13. hello, this is bbc news. the headlines... you're watching a bbc news special. we're live at westminster, as an emergency commons debate is taking place about a bill aimed at preventing a no—deal brexit. the prime minister has told mps in the commons to reject the bill, that is what they want, to underline as and for sst bag and force us to beg for yet another pointless delay. —— to force us to bag. if they did that all the progress we would have been making will be nothing.

the motion was presented to the house by conservative mp sir oliver letwin — he said the government had failed to provide an alternative brexit proposal. the prime minister is much in the position of someone standing on one side of the canyon shouting to people on the other side of the ca nyon people on the other side of the canyon that if they did not do as he wishes, he will throw himself into the abyss. that is not a credible negotiating strategy. it comes as conservative mp philip lee defects to the lib dems, leaving the government with no working majority. this language that is invoking battles and wars and the like, i am sorry, it is wrong and i think it is about time that we raise the bar and politics and i strongly believe the liberal democrats are in favour of doing that. welcome to westminster — where mps are holding an emergency debate in the house of commons

tonight about a bill aimed at preventing a no—deal brexit. the motion was presented to the house by conservative mp sir oliver letwin — who said that in light of parliament being suspended later this month, it has become ‘urgent‘ to discuss whether mps accept the possibility of a no—deal brexit. if the idea is approved, legislation designed to block a no—deal brexit will be introduced tomorrrow. let's go to parliament square. danjohnson is in parliament square for us now. some noisy protest going past as spent quite a number on college green. there have been large numbers of people here, throughout the day, different groups gather along parliament square and there is a group blocking the street white day right outside parliament and i do not know if he can see because it is dark here but right up to where the blue flashing lights are, outside of parliament there is a great, there have been different messages that

have been different messages that have been different messages that have been put across today, some asking for a second referendum and some asking for a general election and something they want to do anything they can to get the conservative government out. an interesting range of seekers that we have heard from and i did not know if we can add any clarity on what they propose my position is and to members addressed the crowd and said they were ready for a general election and that was something that they wanted to be brought on. definitely has been a sizeable turn out on the streets around parliament today, sending the message to mps as they carry on the debate inside this evening. people saying that they definitely want to see this motion and acted to stop a new deal brexit and acted to stop a new deal brexit and acted to stop a new deal brexit and a lot of people are opposed to brexit and any form. theyjust and a lot of people are opposed to brexit and any form. they just want to make sure that there is no deal and also talking about a second referendum of people's voters as they would call it to try to and brexit altogether and it is a collection of different voices that comes together and opposition to the

latest moves by the government and a lot of people are describing as a two. —— as a two lane no sign thatjet lane no sign that jet bell protesters are drifting away here. russians have been raised outside of parliament and inside comments, they are raising their possessions and the strongest possible terms tonight and conservative mps questioning john greco's to send and to allow the debate in the first place and implying that he is reinterpreting the rules. i have taken advice of the rules. i have taken advice of the professional kind and i am entirely satisfied that the judgement that i have made is consistent with that advice. my attitude is simply to seek to facilitate the house. the leader

rightly referred to my responsibility which is grave and solemn and i completely accept that as well as accept his right to his own deal about my judgement as well as accept his right to his own deal about myjudgement in this matter. i have sought to exercise my judgement and discharging my responsibility to facilitate the house of commons. to facilitate the legislature. i have done it, i am doing it and i will do it to the best of my ability, without fear our favourite to clean a phrase, come what may, do or die. jacob rees—mogg and the speaker going head—to—head. what an interesting one to watch that was. and who are usually known to keep their cool when debating in the comments are now showing signs of how polarised their positions have become.

let's listen to this echange between sir oliver letwin — who initiated the debate, and on the government side, jacob rees—mogg. listen to this. will he accept that we stand as a nation at present, at a moment that will have a profound effect on the welfare of our people and that the sovereign parliament of this country clearly deserves an opportunity to be able to decide whether it will accept a policy of no deal accent or not and that overwhelmingly matters more than whether the standing order 24b more than whether the standing order 24 b clause with where and eight, drop it in all probability by the dan leader of the house has a particular meeting or does not have a particular meaning. there is mr speaker a stunning arrogance that vlans speaker a stunning arrogance that vlans are laid to say. and it fails to understand where sovereignty comes from. ideal indeed dare to say

this and i say this to the right honourable gentlemen. order! order! i recognise there are strongly held views on all aspects of this matter but the leader of that not the mac house must be carried. mr speaker, sovereignty and this has comes from the british people and the idea that we can overrule 17.4 million people is preposterous and the idea and the idea that the rules did not exist to protect the people from american power grabs as mistaken. those rules are there for the protection of the people. we willdip into we will dip into more of that debate as the evening progresses. we are expecting a boat between 9:30pm and 10pm this evening and you have on

the rise, and the brexit commissioning... what are you leaving tomorrow. proudman is likely to have shown that frankly for brexiteers, it is not that for perfect soap johnson will brexiteers, it is not that for perfect soapjohnson will be brexiteers, it is not that for perfect soap johnson will be forced pursuing an election and without labour likes it or not we will see. iimagine the labour likes it or not we will see. i imagine the observer taking a different take. we will be saying something different tomorrow something different tomorrow something along the lines of her a, at last parliament is exerting itself after many months of saying itself after many months of saying it is against no deal but not taking the action that is required to actually stop it. i think tonight is the night we will see mps actually act. against no deal but not entirely sure, what they are for. the indicative vote did not get us very far earlier in the year and what is the purpose of three months extension? the mps who are behind this would say there is absolutely

no way a deal can be agreed and got through parliament by the 31st of october. it is something definitely very fishy and boris johnson saying that he is still for a deal but still on the 31st of october and some of the conservative mps who are behind this rebellion would say it is getting us another three months and we have at least another three months for talks. i think you have hit the head on the nail which is we know what parliament is against and it is against no deal. there is no majority at the moment for anything constructive and that is why am i not be further the 31st of october at which is what i think for us johnson will want succeed in taking back control of the agenda and parliament tonight but we will see a general election in the next 8—12 weeks. a lot of people in side the so—called rebel alliance has been put to towards the telegraph and brave reporting and mind of where

the telegraph is on brexit that he is saying from his research and people have spoken to, the negotiation is a sham and have not put forward and do make any proposals and trying to run down the clock and the prime minister does not really believe that the negotiation will take us anywhere. they have placed back hard against that and suggested is completely false and i may think the collie praises, heat reported that we were going to be asking for a transition period extension and that was rubbish and complete lie that downing street told us improve and write nsn so i think he will be proven right again that he believes that so what does that mean, if the prime minister and chief brexit brain believes the whole negotiation process is a waste of time and a charade, then it is no wonder the so—called squad of tory mps are trained to force the government's and. icome trained to force the government's and. i come back to the point about

this delay and what on earth will it be used for? prime minister said as a result, if you delay, is yet more flapping around and parliament and as even now with the vote tonight, let's assume it does pass. it is a motion to secure a time for the law to be debated. it will be endlessly strung up in the house of lords and legislative ping—pong. strung up in the house of lords and legislative ping-pong. let me take it back a step because there are many conservative mps he will stick with the government tonight and you are very much in favour of a brexit deal but would be deeply opposed to no deal. and they are only giving the prime minister this time to negotiate because they think keeping no deal on a table will deliver a deal but in actual fact if you say he does not want to deal, that will upset a lot of conservative mps. the thing that governs his negotiating strategy is you have to keep no deal on that table to focus minds to cut a good dealfor both sides.

on that table to focus minds to cut a good deal for both sides.” on that table to focus minds to cut a good deal for both sides. i am not sure he does want a deal actually. if he wants a deal, why are all the leaders in europe and brussels saying there is this time we said to borisjohnson if you do not want saying there is this time we said to boris johnson if you do not want the back you have to put forward a workable alternative and two weeks have passed and i think this idea that place johnson wants a deal is absolutely no way he can get the legislation through for a deal even if the eu and he were to come to an agreement by the 31st of october so i think although war—gaming and numbered team? number ten at the moment is bringing conservative mps along with them, it is all about political positioning, trying to blame other people for not getting a deal when boys blame other people for not getting a deal when bostohnson blame other people for not getting a deal when boys johnson knows blame other people for not getting a deal when bostohnson knows he is very unlikely to get one. we were talking to don foster earlier about where labour is this evening and are you sense that they will vote for an

election if he came to it tomorrow? i think there were divisions within labour and what is interesting is there have been meetings this afternoon and what has come out of those meetings is that labour might be opposed to an election on boris johnson's time and they want to see this legislation go through first. and what i think will have back dominic... we will have an election on the 14th of october and sets it down and with a vote for that? on the 14th of october and sets it down and with a vote for that7m would be two concerns, the legislation will probably not be inspected by the end of the week and it will probably involve late issues and can be tied borisjohnson to that date? and can be tied borisjohnson to that date ? it and can be tied borisjohnson to that date? it is his prerogative powers as a prime minister to change the election date down the line sol think labour mps would have watched his shoddy performance in the common—sense happiness and thought to themselves we do want a general election but first priority is

preventing no deal and let's deny the prime minister what he wants and watch them squirm for the next two three weeks. i did not think so actually. they will make sure he does not have a chance to wiggle room or delay the date for the beyond. i think there are questions lately whether you can make that watertight but as i say that is one of two concerns it would have about it. they exceeded there. —— let's meet at there. lets go quickly back to the house of commons, the international trade security is on his feet stop with what they said at the general election on a manifesto said they would honour the results of the referendum but they themselves had no intention of doing so. that i think will result in the content of voters and for those particular members who have taken that path i look forward to their meeting with their voters when we get to the next

general election whenever that comes. i am general election whenever that comes. i am concerned general election whenever that comes. i am concerned mr speaker at about where this places us in eu negotiations, to be successful in a negotiations, to be successful in a negotiation both sides have to regard it as providing mutual self interests. this does not do that. this process will cast us on a roll of supplica nts taking this process will cast us on a roll of supplicants taking control not back to this house but back to the european union negotiators. we in this political bubble, very often argue about the process and minutia and failed to see the big picture which is what our voters are looking at. we did not ask for an opinion from voters and asked for an instruction. we said we would honour it and we are on all day honour bound to do so. i urge colleagues not to cast their vote tonight with the coalition of chaos for that will be the result and delay will follow

delay and it is time one way or another to deliver brexit. and i mean one further point, one of the senior colleague said to me we need to leave the european union following the referendum, a senior pro—european politician and said the problems of fragmentation and france began when we did not honour the referendum on the european pot dominic consultation —— european constitution. mr speaker i fear that if we go down that path has been suggested tonight we will open up a chasm at this trust between parliament and the british people and it is something that will play on me into the hands of the political fringes and that is something that we will all come to regret. liam fox there with an interesting viewpoint and emmanuel macron made that point that the uk side does have to deliver brexit.

the prime minister has been addressing mps in the house of commons and boris johnson addressing mps in the house of commons and borisjohnson said any further extension of the brexit deadline would surrender process to the eu. let's take a listen to this exchange is a little earlier this afternoon. mr speaker we promised the people we would get brexit done and we promise to respect the result of the referendum and we must do so now. and affects a nap. the country wa nts now. and affects a nap. the country wants this done and they want the referendum respected. we are negotiating a deal and though i am confident of getting a deal we will leave by october the 31st in all circumstances. there will be no further point less delay. this house has never before voted to force the

prime minister to surrender such a crucial decision to the discretion of our friends and neighbours overseas because at this will mean is unless we agree to the terms of our friends is unless we agree to the terms of ourfriends and is unless we agree to the terms of our friends and partners, is unless we agree to the terms of ourfriends and partners, they is unless we agree to the terms of our friends and partners, they will be able to keep us in the eu for as long as they want and on their terms. i urge therefore for the house to reject the bill so we can get the right deal for our country and deliver brexit and take the whole country forward. i commend a statement to the house. the attack on our democracy in order to force through a disastrous new deal brexit is unprecedented, anti—democratic and unconstitutional. labour will do all we can to protect our industry, protect our democracy and protect our people against this dangerous and reckless government. i can then

the rhetoric the prime minister used when he talked about a surrender bill. i hope he will reflect on his use of language. i really do hope he will reflect on his use of language. we are not surrendering because we are at war with europe. they are surely our partners. if anything, it isa no surely our partners. if anything, it is a no deal accent that would mean surrendering our industry, ourjobs, surrendering our industry, ourjobs, surrendering our industry, ourjobs, surrendering our standards and protections and a great deal with donald trump and the united states. —— a trade deal. donald trump and the united states. -- a trade deal. back with me is gone faster —— don foster and he is saying that the government with mark spencer has decided to call in and declared tory rebels to say sorry i have to remove the web. this is a government

following through on what they said they were going to do. day declared beforehand that they would vote against anybody who would lose the lip and we have a situation where six weeks ago 12 former ministers and cabinet ministers like chancellor of the exchequer, and others like ken clark, the grandson of winston churchill are going to be losing the web. and this is the point, it sets out let its policy is and has to have a party that follows it so it is extraordinary but therefore they are following through on their threat. you have to say actually over the last two years there has been no discipline in the conservative party. and some might say about time. yes very conservative brexiteers it will be relatively pleased that there is some discipline but they may still be wearing out what costs that discipline comes. we look at an

earlier general election and these are not 12—18 and nine backbenchers, these are people who up until six weeks ago i sat around the cabinet table and these are people who have such big profiles in the media politically that if he going to win election, these people may have such big majorities and such big personalities that they may actually rival anybody, that the conservatives put up once they follow through on their threat to stand against them. i suppose from number ten's perspective if they think it through, the next best case scenario if they return with a 20-30, that is scenario if they return with a 20—30, that is not the 80 perhaps they hope for it and he did not want 20 or 30 people who are not on the pipei 20 or 30 people who are not on the pipe i need to have gone to the country with. going back to the coalition, there are 20 or 30 who reviews and are now sat around the cabinet table and there is the nature of whipping, there are people who disagree with the policy and the

conservative party has always been quite a broad church in the sense there are people on both wings of there are people on both wings of the party but they managed to progress forward and what has been detained for this prime minister and this administration is that they are looking very much and a narrow focus on making sure that no deal is a policy that the party can support. whereas previously theresa may and others have been saying we are prepared to accept that there are people who disagree with us. and i suppose a people who disagree with us. and i suppose a concern people who disagree with us. and i suppose a concern for borisjohnson and his advisers and number ten must be that if alastair burton, and the like were on the remaining side or the stop the brexit side of the debate, if they feel they do not have a home in the conservative party, how many conservative voters in the country share their point of view? conservative voters by and large may vote for leave but again leave voters are not one type of person, it comes with a huge spectrum of people just as the conservative party shed and as labour said so if those people who

do you have previously seen as being both and smart enough to hold cabinet positions are tossed out of the conservative party, there will bea the conservative party, there will be a huge number of voters who will also feel tossed out and if it comes down to a majority of 2017 and i may actually listen entire general election for the conservatives, going to an early one or later. you would think the liberal democrats might have some chances in the southwest and with davidson's meeting and scotland, scotland is going to be much more difficult for the tories and difficulty in the north with the bulk of leave voters is they tend to be quite loyal to the labour party. that is the gamble that they are making and they want to try and win as many of the seats as they possibly can but it is going to bea as they possibly can but it is going to be a challenge. the seeds have been historically laboured for decades, almost 80 years in some cases and it is going to be very

ha rd to cases and it is going to be very hard to win this round and the key of all of this is what happens to the brexit party and where they stand and some kind of romaine or some kind of liberal democrat labour alliances to counter whether there is any potential brexit party alliances. thank you for being with us this evening and let's talk about the event this evening. go back to the lobby and speak to our chief political correspondent vicki young. we are just saying that he is already calling in the rebels did they think they lost the vet this evening? given the declared number of choices that they will rebel, that is 15 or 16 i think it will maybe be even more than that and there will be some rebels on the other side, labour side as they were last time around but a similar number. i would last time around but a similar number. iwould imagine last time around but a similar number. i would imagine that because you have extra numbers those people like philip hannon and rory ewert are and where it no longer in the

cabinet but on the back benches, that's was the number of tories going to go against the government. for borisjohnson going to go against the government. for boris johnson it looks going to go against the government. for borisjohnson it looks like he lost the mp to the liberal democrats and lost his working majority in the house of commons and looks like he will probably lose his first vote as prime minister and if that happens thenit prime minister and if that happens then it is pretty likely that tomorrow he will lose more because if they have the numbers tonight the mps can probably get a bill through tomorrow which will force them to go tomorrow which will force them to go to the eu to try to get and ask for a delay to brexit. thank you very much and for the moment we will come back to you to get some reaction. let me quickly talking through the timetable and we probably have about another half an hour or three quarters of an hour of this debate to run and we should get do to make two votes and one vote to bring the motion to the end and debate to the clothes and a crucial one on this 24 motion which will hand control of parliamentary business tomorrow to the so—called

rebel alliance if they were to win this boat this evening. want to watch and another dramatic moment in the brexit story. stay with us here on bbc news. and westminster still noisy protest behind us and let's check on what the weather is going to bring us tomorrow. hello there and first of allan tomorrow. hello there and first of all an update on hurricane dorian, and for most of to say again and has been pummeling the island of grand bahama but there have been several changes and lately it has started to gradually crawl away northwards in the area of strong winds has expanded that the peak winds have reduced somewhat and look through this tuesday afternoon and wind gusts of 130 mph and only 100 miles away the winds have only been 40 mph and the difference between the windy day and the winds have been strong

enough to rip the roof off your house and that is why we are watching why this hurricane goes so carefully a nd watching why this hurricane goes so carefully and any deviations in the track to bring even more powerful winds to the eastern coasts of the united states. back home weather—wise tonight we are looking ata weather—wise tonight we are looking at a band of rain pushing southwards and eastwards and this rain can be heavy at times and likely to be accompanied by some squally and gusty winds. the rain will clear in the sky will clear behind that and some showers pushing into scotland and northern ireland later on in the night. that takes us into wednesday and low—pressure family in charge of our weather anti—weather fans to look at, first a cold front pushing across england and second and inclusion, and both of these weather fronts have cooler air following them. wednesday we start off with rain and sunshine follows. and for northern england north wales and northern ireland and scotland it is going to be quite cloudy at times with heavy bursts of rain and the

winds become quite strong and particularly so in northern scotland which will glow from a northerly direction and in afternoon temperatures only around 13 degrees in aberdeen and it will feel quite chilly. it will follow with a cool start to the day on thursday and sunshine initially but his area of cloud with rain on it as a warm front that is going to be pushing back across northern areas of the uk and with that temperature is recover and with that temperature is recover a little and 15 in aberdeen and 17 for belfast and given a bit of sunshine, further changes for friday and more rain that signed pushing across england and wales and this is across england and wales and this is a cold front and northwesterly winds with a mixture of sunshine and showers and temperatures going down again, 14 in edinburgh and 17 london. that is the weather.

hello, i'm ros atkins. you're watching a bbc news special. some british mps are trying to stop a no—deal brexit. they're debating the motion now. earlier, the prime minister told mps to reject it, saying it would "destroy any chance" of an agreement with the european union. that's what they want. to force us to beg, to force us to beg for yet another pointless delay! and borisjohnson's task has got harder — with one of his own mps defecting to the opposition. i'm christian fraser live in westminster. tonight's vote could lead to another general election. we will bring you all the reaction

and we'll bring you that vote