hello this is bbc news with the headlines. after her resignation from the cabinet and the conservative whip — amber rudd attacks borisjohnson‘s handling of brexit. there's not enough work going into actually getting a deal, which is, i think, is not what the prime minister signed up to try to do, and secondly, the expulsion of 21 of my colleagues who are good moderate conservatives. british airways pilots prepare to go on strike — for the first time in the airline's history. another day of anger in hong kong as radical pro—democracy protesters attack a metro station. peace talks between the taliban and the us are called off — president trump blames a deadly

attack in the afghan capital, kabul. ships and aircraft evacuate thousands of people from islands in the bahamas worst hit by hurricane dorian — aid agencies say the situation is ‘desperate‘. more on what leo varadkhar is saying and someone more on what leo varadkhar is saying and someone once we more on what leo varadkhar is saying and someone once we have the details. and now on bbc news, some of the highlights of the last week from the victoria derbyshire programme. hello and welcome. i am joanna gosling. for the next half an hour, we will bring you one of the highlights of this week's programme away from politics and live in the studio we replicated a primary school relationship education lesson, which sparked large protests in several parts of the country. the no outsiders series teaches

primary age children about a range of relationships and families. protesters objected in particular to one of the books, and tango makes three, which is about two gay penguins that raise a chick together. simon kidwell, the head teacher at a primary school in cheshire, started by reading the book, which is usually taught to nine and ten—year—olds, to a studio audience of parents, teachers, authors and activists. in the middle of new york there is a great big park called central park. children love playing there. it has a toy boat pond where they can sail boats, a carousel to ride on in the summer, and an ice rink to skate on in the winter. best of all, it has its very own zoo. every day, families go to visit all the animals that live there. but children and their parents aren't the only families at the zoo. the animals make families of their own. there are red panda families

with mothers and fathers, and furry red panda cubs. there are monkey dads and monkey mums raising noisy monkey babies. there are toad families and toucan families, and cotton topped tamarind families too. and in the penguin house, there are penguin families. every year at the same time, the girl penguins start noticing the boy penguins, and the boy penguins start noticing the girls. when the right girl and the right boy find each other, they become a couple. two penguins in the pengin house were a bit different. one was named roy, and the other named silo. they were both boys, but they did everything together. they bowed to each other, and walked together. they sang to each other, and swam together. wherever roy went, silo went too. they did not spend much time with the girl penguins, and the girl penguins did not spend much time with them.

instead, roy and silo wound their necks around each other. their zookeeper, mr gramsey, noticed the two penguins and thought to himself, they must be in love. roy and silo watched how the other penguins made a home, so they built a nest of stones for themselves. every night, roy and silo slept there together, just like the other penguin couples. every morning, roy and silo woke up together. but one day, they saw that the other couples could do something they could not. the mummy penguin would lay an egg. she and daddy penguin would take turns keeping the egg warm until finally, it hatched. and then, there would be a happy baby penguin. roy and silo had no eggs to keep warm. they had no baby chick to feed, to cuddle and love. their nest was nice, but it was a little empty.

one day, roy found something that looked like what the other penguins were hatching, and he brought it to their nest. it was only a rock, but silo carefully sat on it, and sat, and sat. when silo got sleepy he slept, and when silo had finished sleeping and sitting, he swam and roy sat. day after day, they sat on the rock, but nothing happened. then, the zookeeper had an idea. but nothing happened. he found an egg that needed to be cared for, and he brought it to roy and silo's nest. they knew just what to do. they moved the egg to the centre of their nest. every day, they turned it, so each side stayed warm. some days, roy sat while silo went for food. other days, it was silo's turn to take care of their egg. they sat in the morning, they sat at night. they sat through lunchtime,

and swimming time, and supper. they sat at the beginning of the month, and they sat at the end of the month. and they sat all the days in between. until one day, they heard a sound coming from the egg. "peep, peep, peep", it said. silo called back, "squawk, squawk!" "peep, peep", answered the egg. suddenly, a tiny hole appeared in the eggs shell, and then, crack, out came their very own baby. she had fuzzy white feathers and a funny black beak. now, roy and silo were fathers. we will call her tango, the zookeeper decided, because it takes two to make a tango. roy and silo taught tango how to sing for them when she was hungry, and they fed her food from their beaks. they snuggled her in their nest at night. tango was the very first penguin in the zoo to have two daddies.

soon, tango grew strong enough to leave the nest. roy and silo took her for a swim, just like all the other penguin families. and all the children who came to the zoo could see that tango and her two fathers were playing in the penguin house with the other penguins. hurray, roy. hurray, silo. welcome, tango, they cheered. and at night, the three penguins returned to their nest. they snuggled together, and like all the other penguins in the penguin house, and all the other animals in the zoo, and all the animal families in the big city around them, they went to sleep. so, we've read the book, now what do you think this book is about? happy families. any other things? manipulation, corruption... where was that?! on balance of life?

a child cannot have two dads. the most important thing about the story, those two penguins couldn't produce their own egg. he had to steal an egg. i don't think we need to go into the mechanics of the story. as i said earlier there is an underlying agenda to this. it's the promomotion of lg bt lifestyle. that is ok, so what is the problem with an lg bt lifestyle ? because you cannot promote it to other children in the form of a book. the person stole an egg based on their feelings, they said that two eggs were in love, where did that come from, that is somewhat's feelings and they decided to steal an egg and give it to two people. i am going to swap

for a second, may i? as in a normal classroom, you would not be allowed to talk all over each other. but clearly we can hear some objections, we can hear some people who think it is absolutely fine, the way it was taught and the content of what was taught. nigel evans was just about to speak, a conservative mp, who is gay. did you have any issues with the content and the way it was taught? no, but i might have done 30 years ago, but we have moved on since then, i have changed my views completely. i didn't come out openly as gay until i was in my 50s. when i was growing up in swansea i wish i had been introduced to lessons just like that. why? it may well have been that i would have come out openly as gay not thinking that there was something wrong, that i would have frustrated or hidden my feelings, which are absolutely natural, which are portrayed in that book. and sadly we've heard a few views this morning which seem to suggest to me that there is something wrong

in somebody who is either lesbian, gay, or of some other natural feelings. and that does disturb me and i am not surprised, simon, that those books are banned in some countries because i've talked to a lot of politicians from a number of countries where it's illegal to be gay. and that is absolutely bonkers in the 21st century. let me bring in karen. are you moved by how nigel evans has described the way he had to grow up and it took him until his 50s before he was able to live openly as a gay man? it's not natural, it's not the way of life. the way of life is a man and a woman. you're not moved at all by the way he felt he had to hide his true self? no, i'm not, because i wasn't brought up that way, so it is not natural. may i ask a question? what would happen if one of your children, i presume you are a parent... yes, lam. ..were gay, would you want them to hide it, would you want them to wait till they were 50 and possibly be suicidal, self— harming?

if i'm being honest, yes i would... you would want them to have mental health issues because of your religious beliefs? would that make you a bigot? it wouldn't, it isjust what the bible states, what my home belief is, if they would come to me and say that they are, i would instruct them that is not normal. two men does not reproduce, two women does not reproduce. they can make very good parents if given a chance. and there are plenty of heterosexual couples, male and female, who can't reproduce naturally, and they adopt kids and become parents. how is it natural if you can't... sorry, go on, saski. so, the fact is, parents are parents. you talk about a natural form but if somebody is going to become a parent, if you can't naturally reproduce, have babies, then you can still adopt kids and there is plenty

of parents out there who are happy, loving families that have adopted kids and are still great parents, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation. but you're giving children a balanced view of what it would be naturally, so you're giving a child a mother and father, it should be. but also i want to address quickly, in the term of always asking about what would you do if your child was gay, what would you do if a child who had been raised with two fathers or two mothers turns around and says, why did you not give me a mother orfather? i can tell you that my son has two mums and he is one of the happiest kids i know. obviously i am biased but... but if he asks about a father? parents are parents regardless. if you come from a happy loving family, that is the most important thing. let me move to the back row. you and your wife took your sons out

of school, to homeschool because you objected to a trans child in the class. it is about indoctrinating our children. by indoctrinating, do you mean encouraging them to become gay? absolutely, all of these books, when i read then i recognise that there was an underlying agenda to push this agenda. i just want to spell out exactly what you are saying. to indoctrinate them to what? to believe that it is normal. it is normal. it is not normal. the science is there, you need a man and a woman. we are not going to go into the science. stop, please.

i want to bring in a young gay man, olly, you have written some of these books, i just want you to react when you hear somebody say it is not normal, how do you respond to that, and let's be respectful? it is absolutely normal for me and half this room, probably. actually this is about saving lives. we know that lgbt—related bullying is the most common form of bullying in uk schools. we know that one in five lgb students and almost half of trans—students have attempted to take their own life. why would these lessons reduce those numbers, do you believe? because once children are taught about lgbt bullying then the bullying goes down in the school. your school has been rated inadequate by ofsted because you don't teach these relationship lessons, and in their view, it is letting down the pupils, failing in an element of their development. it is an orthodoxjewish school. why don't you teach these lessons? actually, the orthodoxjewish

community is a separate issue. parents in part of this community, they don't want their children school to discuss anything remotely related to sex or sexuality. the lgbt side of the argument is a red herring. parents in my community would object to it, even the phrase such as "slept together", or falling in love, regardless of whether it is a homosexual or heterosexual relationship, is not something they want the school to discuss. as a head teacher of this school, do you accept that everybody, according to the law, has to be treated equally? of course, most definitely. the follow—up question to that is, do you accept that if you don't talk to primary school kids,

nine—year—olds and ten—year—olds, about the fact that different kind of family units and same—sex relationships exist, then it makes it harder for those same—sex relationships to flourish? no, i don't accept that. and could lead to discrimination? the new guidance, which many schools will be implementing from now, which comes into effect in september 2020, clearly states that schools with a faith character are allowed to teach their own religion's opposition to homosexuality, but they should also teach that we should be respectful and tolerant. but orthodox jewish schools actually choose to do neither. we censor our own biblical verses which oppose homosexuality because parents do not want their schools to discuss sex and sexuality at all. is this the same in all orthodox jewish schools, because your kids go to one, yehudis? yes, they go to a school where they do discuss sex

and sexuality, heterosexual, homosexual relationships, i haven't heard any opposition from the parents. to be clear, what goes on in primary schools is nothing to do with actually having sex, it's about... no—one is talking about the mechanics of sex, it is about families. and it is an orthodox school, and that is ok with you? absolutely, yeah. do you understand what eli spitzer is saying, some parents don't want any discussion about anything? yeah, i am very familiar with that kind of setup. and is it acceptable? no. there's a couple of points i want to pick up on, olly, you said it is about safeguarding, and that is what i would come back to. for me this is not about bullying which might occur or might not occur, this is about the children themselves. there will be a percentage of children in every school who are themselves lgbt. those children need to be safeguarded, not necessarily even from bullying, because if children don't know what it means to be gay,

they are not going to bully other gay children. i am talking about children who are likely to be pressured into early marriage, which is always going to be heterosexual. children who just never see families that look like the families they could have, children who feel suicidal, who are self—harming. now, you have been instrumental in protests in primary schools around birmingham. what i find incredible... could you answer my question? yes, there will be protests, the reason being that simon has read this book, and there is a clear ideological message for four—year—old children in this book. it is not meant for four—year—olds. nine—year—olds. we have had children come home and say they want it to we have had children come home

and say they want two mothers. these are young children, and it is confusing children, introducing ideas at a young age. children grow up and they accept these gender ideologies. i can see you are laughing at what he just this is not compulsory. from next year it will be compulsory. no, it is ofsted, and the teachers unions who are pushing this, and they are interpreting legislation in their own way. it is the radical left that are pushing this. their own way. it is the radical the radical left, including this conservative mp, nigel evans? what mystifies me about this sort of attitude is that when i was growing up, all the messages that were being sent to me, whether it was officially or unofficially, was that if you had gay feelings, there was something wrong with you and you had

to suppress that sort of thing. even growing up, as i did... you are a member of parliament. you should have found out more about what is happening in the protests. i as a campaigner, i will not accept anyone who is homophobic in my campaign. campaigner, i will not accept anyone why do you say it is homophobic? campaigner, i will not accept anyone why is it notjust simply parents, good parents who simply want to take their children away from this kind of lesson, because it adds up to them how they bring their children up when it comes to relationships and family units? you are calling them homophobic. they are homophobic because they are denying our existence. they don't want to face lam who i am, and.

up to what they call a lgbt lifestyle. lam who i am, and. in terms of their actions, they are constantly at the gates of various primary schools, chanting homophobic words saying let kids be kids, and in terms of their actions, they are constantly at the gates of various primary schools, chanting homophobic words saying let kids be kids, and we don't want our kids to be taught gay. i have never said anything homophobic. you are saying we don't accept you. we accept you as individuals, it is your ideology we don't accept. these are family values that you have... let him speak. what i am saying is... right, you speak. within aspects of religion it talks about accepting people for who they are and all the best of it, and within the muslim community, that is the ethos that we are brought up with either culturally or traditionally or otherwise. you are supposed to respect people because at the end of the day, we are brothers and sisters. no, no.

what was it like for you, growing up as a gay muslim kid? well, i grew up and had to hide it. it impacted on my social development and my mental health. i was incredibly shy and anxious and i had to learn to find my voice. why are you rolling your eyes? we keep hearing you talking about your experience. this is not about you, it is about our children. i was a child. we are not stopping any child that identifies with lgbt. what we're saying is our children, these are our children that we want to raise within our beliefs. we want them to go to school, receive an education the same as you did. we are not denying that. what has your experience as a child got to do our children? i just feel like they are happy for their children to learn about other religions,

which also goes against your beliefs but it is singling out the lgbt immunity. you haven't asked. it was about another religion, i would withdraw my child. but they have learnt about different religions for years. but lgbt is not a religion. but are you happy for children to learn about other religions? if i was saw what was being taught and i didn't agree with it, i would want it to be really removed. i want my child to receive an academic education. they should not be at school to learn about what other people do in their homes, or whatever. yes, go on. i run an organisation and we have a lot of autistic children. we have children that come in that are trans, or gay. these kids have had to leave school, a lot of them, because of being ostracised

because there is no education, and their peergroup are not taught acceptance. they are self harming, they are suicidal, one mother messaged me yesterday his son committed suicide four months ago because he was gay and he was not accepted. that is very sad and very poignant. how do you respond to that? i am a mother and a teacher. i think it is so important that we show respect for every child, that children learn that bullying is out of order, we accept that there are differences and that we have compassion. but i also think it is important that we protect their innocence and their purity, and so it... what is not innocent about the book? but it causes confusion. if i am a ten—year—old boy and thinking, he was my best friend? it is going to be a boy at ten.

you love hanging out, and so therefore i am gay? it causes confusion. you asked what is not innocent about that book. what else would you like to ask sally? i would like to know what you find offensive about a picture book because there is a group of 35 books that we use there, a proportion of them have some lgbt themes. but in a school, we have got thousands of books. thousands of books. and some of these children don't have representation in those thousands of books. we need to give everybody representation. we are coming towards the end of the programme. you have not spoken. my issue is completely unrelated to everybody else, it is not the fact that it is being introduced, and the way it is introduced, everyone should have tolerance for the way that they are, however, my issue is that by trying to promote equality, you are infringing of the rights of another group, another community,

which is the parents. i was brought up in a muslim household where being homosexual wasn't not right, and it wasn't ok. i've grown up to have gay friends, i have members of my extended family that are gay. i am very tolerant of them, i think the issue is the parents teaching the children to be decent, tolerant, human beings, and not necessarily the schools being in charge. that's it for this week's programme. a reminder, you can always send us your ideas to: we are back monday morning at 10am on bbc two, and the bbc news channel. goodbye.

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this is bbc news, i'm shaun ley. the headlines at four. after her resignation from the cabinet and the conservative whip — amber rudd attacks borisjohnson's handling of brexit. there's not enough work going into actually getting a deal, which is, i think, is not what the prime minister signed up to try to do, and secondly, the expulsion of 21 of my colleagues who are good moderate conservatives. british airways pilots prepare to go on strike — for the first time in the airline's history. another day of anger in hong kong as radical pro—democracy protesters attack a metro station. peace talks between the taliban and the us are called off — president trump blames a deadly attack in the afghan capital, kabul. ships and aircraft evacuate thousands of people from islands in the bahamas worst hit by hurricane dorian — aid agencies