are hello, it's thurday 12th september, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. why are reports of rape going up while the number of people investigated has not only gone down, but has fallen to its lowest level since figures started being recorded, more than a decade ago. my mental health really suffered, it suffered throughout the entire police case. it was devastating that i have gone through all of that and thenit i have gone through all of that and then it has been dropped. we will hear from the director of public prosecutions. of a no deal brexit — that's what's included in yellowhammer which were they were forced to publish. the government

will take plans and steps to mitigate any of the consequences and over the course of the last six weeks the government has taken considerable steps to ensure that if there is no deal scenario that we can leave in the safest and smoothest possible way. and this mum says her 12—year—old son has spent more than £3,000 on in—game purchases and sometimes gets up in the middle of the night to play. we'll talk to her about a new report by mps on what needs to be done to protect children from "addictive gaming". hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. is your child addicted to gaming? if so, how bad is it?

we will talk about that later in the programme. we've had so many m essa 9 es programme. we've had so many messages from you about 0peration yellowhammer. you should not fall for this poor summary as being the real documents, in one tweet, and if thatis real documents, in one tweet, and if that is all they have, they are mooring competent and i thought they were. haley says, is this the worst case? at least the government are preparing and labour has a new weapon. stop scaremongering and let borisjohnson get on with getting us out of the eu. don't forget many people think borisjohnson is right and back all the way. paul says it is not the worst case scenario, the poor off will be the worst affected while thejohnson disaster capitalist chums are set to make 8 billion from brexit. it explains why the men of the people, borisjohnson and jacob rees—mogg are so keen. wa ke

and jacob rees—mogg are so keen. wake up, public, they pay, —— we pay, they make. the cogs of business will run as before, says one tweet, so just will run as before, says one tweet, sojust enjoy will run as before, says one tweet, so just enjoy yourself and take a step off the hamster wheel for two days a week. sean says, yellowhammer is so much worse than stated by the government. this government attend parliament to morrow. this is unbelievable. 0bviously parliament to morrow. this is unbelievable. obviously we will talk much more about what this yellowhammer document says, so do send us your reaction. first, annita has the news. the government has been forced to release documents that say there could be food shortages and up to six months of disruption potentially affecting medical supplies in the event of a no—deal brexit. the paper, codenamed yellowhammer, sets out contingency plans for what the government calls "a reasonable worse—case scenario". the shadow brexit secretary kier starmer is calling on parliament to be immediately recalled so that mps can scrutinise

the documents and block no—deal. the number of people investigated for rape who were later convicted has fallen to its lowest level since records began more than a decade ago. figures seen by bbc news show there were fewer than 2,000 convictions across england and wales in the 12 months to the end of march, down by more than a quarter on the previous year. new figures show cancer survival in the uk is rising but still lagging behind other wealthy countries. a study in lancet 0ncology found rates were worse than australia, canada, denmark, ireland, new zealand and norway, which have similar healthcare systems. the government says cancer survival rates are at a record high. the race to design and build a new generation of royal navy frigates has been won by a consortium led by babcock. the firm has been named preferred bidder for the £1.25 billion contract for five type 31 warships.

the deal secures hundreds ofjobs at rosyth in fife, where the ships will be assembled, with construction work spread between yards across the uk. work is to begin by the end of 2019, with the first ships delivered in 2023. top gear presenter freddie flintoff has said he is "absolutely fine" after an incident involving a three—wheeled motorcycle.the ex—england cricketer is understood to have "run out of runway" at elvington airfield near york while filming a race for the motoring show. the bbc understands he was unhurt and did not need medical attention. the author, jk rowling, has donated £15 million to support research into neurological conditions at a centre named after her mother who died from multiple sclerosis. the anne rowling regenerative neurology clinic at the university of edinburgh was established in 2010, and is named in memory of her mother, who died with the condition

at the age of a5. us first lady, melania trump, was trending on twitter after the president said "she's got a son", before quickly interjecting that they had their son barron "together". it was all in the context of vaping and a potential ban on flavoured vaping products in the us. president trump told a news conference that the first lady has become concerned over the impact of vaping on young people. we can't have our youth be so affected, and i'm hearing it, and thatis affected, and i'm hearing it, and that is how the first lady got involved. she's got a son, who is a beautiful young man, and she feels very strongly about it. she has seen it, we are both reading it, a lot of people are reading it, and people are dying through vaping, so we are looking at it very closely. back to you, victoria. herface did not change, but

although, she probably is used to it. ten years ago, the police in england and wales started keeping a record of the number of people being investigated for rape or other sexual offences. in the twelve months to march it reached 58,000. that's the highest it's ever been. but the number of people convicted has been falling. in that same 12—month period it fell by more than a quarter: fewer than 2,000. the number charged with an offence has also fallen dramatically. if your case was dropped, let me know what reason you were given. if your case reached a successful conclusion, i.e. your rapist was convicted — what differnece has that made to your life? max hill is the director of public prosecutions. why the disparity? iam quite i am quite sure it is a complex issue and i'm not here to point the

finger at any other colleague or partner in the criminaljustice system. i am partner in the criminaljustice system. iam here partner in the criminaljustice system. i am here to say that everybody needs to look at it. it is a fa ct everybody needs to look at it. it is a fact that we up the crown prosecution service are receiving significantly fewer police investigations, specifically in the area of rape. it is also a fact that whilst i am sure the police are working harder, case by case, so are we at the cps and the one statistic i would add to what you have already mentioned is that when we do prosecute for rape, the percentage of convictions returned has gone up by over 5% in the last year, so it is not all bad news, but i do have a message to victims of sexual violence. if i were a victim of sexual violence, i would violence. if i were a victim of sexual violence, iwould be violence. if i were a victim of sexual violence, i would be worried by these figures and it's very important, therefore, that i say do not be deterred, do not turn away from the criminaljustice system.

always bring your complaint to the police. you should have confidence that it will be properly and professionally looked at, even if the decision is not one you agree with at the end. in the final thing to say is, if you don't agree with the decision, use the victim's right to review under which an independent, separate prosecutor will look at the decision that has been made. we are here to help. 0k, people will hear that message, victims of sexual violence will hear that message, and then look at the numbers and say, it's all very well for you as director of public prosecutions to say do not be deterred, but what is the point when the numbers of people being charged is down, the number of people being convicted is significantly down, the lowest level for over a decade. as i say, a complex picture and we need to come together to look at it. we have committed to a cross government review. i will come back to that,

but on that point, because you are addressed directly the victims of sexual violence, if they hear you and say what is the point, what you say to them? the point is that you should never suffer in silence and you should make sure that your case is looked at. that is what our specialist prosecutors exist to do. i have thousands of employees of the crown prosecution service, but within that number i have hundreds of specialists who are dedicating their professional careers to be highly trained, to look at these cases. they come to work looking for cases. they come to work looking for cases to prosecute. 0f cases. they come to work looking for cases to prosecute. of course they can only do that when the investigation is complete. 0f can only do that when the investigation is complete. of course they are going to ask for more work to be done where it is incomplete and of course it doesn't follow that in every case they will be able to prosecute, but there has not been a change of policy on the part of the cps. we applied a code for crown prosecutors and where there is sufficient evidence, we prosecute.

but if it is looked at and dropped, then as a victim of sexual violence, you will end up suffering in silence. you go through all of that stress, all that trauma of reliving what you say happened to you and thenit what you say happened to you and then it is dropped. can you imagine that? well, what i said is because i'm absolutely trying to put myself in the position of people who have suffered at the hands of others and i would say that in relation to all types of crime and that is why we have a victim's right to review scheme and that is why we have committed to a cross government review in the area. that is why we will not be marking our own homework on that review and i have personally asked the chief inspector of the cps inspectorate to conduct the work, and we will abide by the results of that when it comes out by the end of this year. you referred a little earlier to the fact that the cps has not changed its approach to these

types of cases. you are adamant about that, are you? because you know that is the charge from the violence —— end violence against women coalition and the real reason is the figures are down because you've changed your approach and it is tougher and you say to yourself, is tougher and you say to yourself, isajury is tougher and you say to yourself, is a jury likely to convict? no, we will drop the case. it would be wrong to make a serious decision that impacts on somebody‘s life in that impacts on somebody‘s life in that sort of way, and we don't. as a matter of policy, we apply the same test to every type of crime, whether it is rape and sexual violence, or any other sort of crime. we go to the code for brown —— crown prosecutors which was rewritten and revised in october last year which sets out what we call the evidential stage test. putting it shortly, is there sufficient evidence? where there sufficient evidence? where there is, we operate on the basis that a jury, anyjury will and should look at the case in an

impartial, objective and reasonable way and that is the answer to the charge. i respect the constituency but they are wrong when they lay the blame at our dedicated prosecutors doors. we do not apply a bookmakers test. we don't look at case and say we don't think a jury will like it, therefore we even bother. that is not what rossi does get out of bed in the morning for. this text says my 13—year—old daughter was drugged and raped by two men in their 20s. it took two years for the police and the cps to come to a decision. the case was dropped as my daughter could not remember two hours of that evening and may have given her consent. she was 13. these people live in a parallel universe. it has had a profound effect on my daughter. how does a lawyer and

alleged victim of rape react to what the dppjust told us. well how does a laywer and an alleged vicitm of rape react to that? founding director of the centre for women's justice, harriet wistrich. and annie tisshaw, who says she was a victim of rape. i was raped when i was living on my own ina i was raped when i was living on my own in a flat and it was with a guy who hi had been out with before. own in a flat and it was with a guy who hi had been out with beforem your case you went to the police in your case you went to the police in your case you went to the police in your case appear to be proceeding to trial, but it did not get to court. why not? there were inconsistencies in the case which is how the police worded it to me. i reported it straightaway and straight after it happened i was told it was a positive case and i gave my phone over and i had done everything right that you should do and then at the

end, nearly a year later, i was told there were inconsistencies in the case. the police had referred it to the crown prosecution service, is my understanding. what we are told about the reasons for the case being dropped? it went to cps and they asked for more information and one of these was cctv. and one of the reasons it was dropped was because there was cctv from early on in the evening when i was on the date with the guy and i wasn't looking particularly scared or nervous or like there was anything wrong. because nothing had happened? 0bviously, at that time, this was a quy 0bviously, at that time, this was a guy a trusted, a guy i had met before so at that time i didn't know this was going to happen. so, cctv images you believe influence the

decision. what are the other inconsistencies? they also took my phone and text messages i had sent previously before the evening were brought up and again, like i said, this was a guy who i had been on a few dates with, who i did like, so again, that, to me, i'm not sure how thatis again, that, to me, i'm not sure how that is relevant. everything that happened around it. there's also a statement that was made kind of against me, a derogatory statement that discredited me as a witness. and the alleged rapist gave a statement saying you consented. yes, he saidi statement saying you consented. yes, he said i changed my mind and i consented. let me bring in harriet, andi consented. let me bring in harriet, and i will come back to you, annie, ina and i will come back to you, annie, in a moment. some of those explanations for why this case may potentially have been dropped, how do you respond to them? this is in

the field of myths and stereotypes around rate. for example, that if somebody is on a date with somebody but somehow they cannot be late, because they've chosen to be out with somebody, obviously you could be having a very good and loving relationship and then be raped by somebody, so there nothing about the evidence of being seen looking happy on cctv or text exchanges that ought to undermine an allegation of rape. i cannot imagine a lawyer working for the cps seriously believing that cctv images from earlier in an evening before an alleged rape as a car saying, evening before an alleged rape as a carsaying, oh, evening before an alleged rape as a car saying, oh, that means she was not raped. what they might be thinking is about how this looks before a jury. is that more about what is going on? what we are arguing in this legal challenge we are bringing against the crown prosecution service is that they are now considering or taking into

account potentially what jurors are going to think rather than looking at the facts objectively. going to think rather than looking at the facts objectivelylj going to think rather than looking at the facts objectively. i will pause you there because we just heard maxfield from the director of public prosecutions, absolutely adamant that that is not the case —— max hill. they have not changed their approach, that is not part of their approach, that is not part of their thinking, they look at the evidence and take it forward on its merits. there's a lot of questions i have to ask and we researched this case very thoroughly, so first of all the absolutely dramatic fall in the prosecution and conviction rate by the cps cannot be explained by the other explanations they give on its own. it is such a huge drop in what we have managed to document is that the cps, who had introduced an approach called the merit—based approach called the merit—based approach specifically to guard against the influence of myths and

stereotypes in decision—making, they have specifically deleted reference to it in all of their training material from their website and have instructed prosecutors not to make reference to it. why would they do that? they have called it something else. it's exactly the same. they've always had a code for crown prosecutors but when rape prosecution started going up, this followed a period in which the cps deliberately introduced merit—based approach and introduced additional guidance and training for prosecutors. now that has been removed. max hill says they are getting fewer referrals from the police. the reason we believe they are getting fewer referrals, and we believe this from evidence we are hearing from women and from rape crisis organisations working with women and from speaking to some police officers, is that they are

now referring less cases to the cps because they know that they are taking a harsher approach. so in your case, annie, the police did refer it to the cps and then the decision was made not to proceed with the case. i want to ask you about another issue that is really important to you, if i may. you wa nted important to you, if i may. you wanted to speak to a counsellor or therapist about what happened to you as the police were investigating. what advice would you give in?” as the police were investigating. what advice would you give in? i was told, and this is from the rape crisis centres, that i wasn't allowed counselling. i was only allowed counselling. i was only allowed pre—trial therapy, which is described as limited counselling... where you're not allowed to talk about what happened to you. you're not allowed to include anything in your police notes, which obviously is what happened to you, because the therapist can be seen to be coaching you or guiding you if it does later go to court, and the reason why the

rape crisis centres are telling us this information is because it's in the cps guidance notes that you are not allowed it, you are only allowed pre—trial therapy. not allowed it, you are only allowed pre-trial therapy. and what affect does only having pre—trial therapy have on someone like yourself, as opposed to counselling as we would know it? i was going to therapy about a trauma that happened to me but i wasn't allowed to speak about the trauma and it's really confusing because, legally, they could not stop me but when you are surrounded by these professionals and you are in that situation, you won't question them and you won't fight them on it to really talk about that. a final question, what effect has it had on you, the fact that this case was dropped? my mental health really, really suffered. it suffered throughout the entire police case and it was devastating. i've gone through all of that and thenit i've gone through all of that and then it has just been dropped. thank

you both very much for coming on the programme. many thanks. thank you for your messages. this viewer says important issues highlighted on your programme today. my highlighted on your programme today. my case was dropped because at the end of the day it came down to my word against his. the worst moment was when i was called in for more questioning. did you say no each time he tried something? i answered that i often had not said anything because i was so terrified of what i knew he would do. their reply was simple, so you consented? that is really shocking. this tweet says my dad raped me when i was nine and when i brought the case to court yea rs later when i brought the case to court years later it was dropped due to lack of evidence. extremely disheartening and took me years to come to terms with. if you've been affected by our conversations... you can find out where to get help

by going to the bbc‘s actionline website at bbc.co.uk/actionline. still to come. the government insists it is mitigating the risks of a no—deal brexit as details of operation yellowhammer are published outlining the worst case scenario of a no—deal exit from the eu. we'll talk to a conservative mp in a moment. the lure of the lootbox, we discuss if it's time to ban under 18s from buying online gaming extras. mps say they are encouraging children to gamble. the government has published 0peration yellowhammer, its own assessment of what could happen if the uk leaves the eu without a deal. the document, which is redacted in parts, and almost identical to a version leaked last month, says a no—deal brexit could lead to food prices going up and fresh food becoming less available, disproportionately affecting those with low incomes. across the irish sea it says a so—called "hard border" is likely between northern ireland

and the republic, with checks in place, sparking protests. the document says some businesses could cease trading and the black market could grow. there would be a disruption in fuel supplies, particularly in london and the south east due to traffic queues in kent and the dartford crossing. patients having to wait "up to six months" for medicines and medical supplies. passengers being delayed at eu airports, eurotunnel and dover. and freight disruption at ports lasting up to three months, caused by new customs checks. it's dated aug 2nd, just last month. and this morning — michael gove, the minister in charge of no deal preparations says the government is on its way to getting a better deal. the yellowhammer documents are a worst—case scenario and are produced

so the government can take plans and steps in order to educate any of those consequences and over the course of the last six weeks this government has taken considerable steps in order to ensure that if there is a no deal scenario we can leave in the safest and smoothest way but it is important to stress that we are fighting hard for a deal and the prime minister has been making diplomatic progress and we are on our way to getting a better deal. we are expecting a few words from the prime minister boris johnson at around 10:30am, which we will bring to you as soon as he says them. we can speak about this to kevin hollinra ke, a conservative mp who's loyal to boris johnson's government, and in a moment tojoanna cherry, the snp mp who was one of 70 parliamentarians who brought the case yesterday in scotland in which the court ruled that the suspension of parliament was unlawful. we asked for someone from the government to come on to our programme and they said no one was available before we get onto the substance of the document, why did the government change the heading of it from base

scenario to reasonable worst—case planning assumptions just before publishing it? good morning. ithink they are pretty much the same thing. why did it change then?|j they are pretty much the same thing. why did it change then? i have no idea. it is pretty much the same thing. it's to make sure people understand that the document reflects the position prior to the new prime minister taking over and it's no secret that there was a feeling in parliament that we were preparing properly for a no deal situation and this reflects the situation and this reflects the situation before the prime minister took over and what happened over the last month has been a huge...m does not reflect the situation before the prime minister took over, because this wasjuly before the prime minister took over, because this was july the 24th before the prime minister took over, because this wasjuly the 24th in the document was dated august the 2nd. yes, quite. so what you just said was inaccurate. i'm sorry, you said was inaccurate. i'm sorry, you said this document was from before the prime minister took over. it is dated august the 2nd. but of course it takes time to put the measures in place. what michael gove has been doing over the last four or five weeks is putting the measures in

place. it does not reflect those measures. why not? there is an updated document coming out shortly. have you seen it? no i haven't, but thatis have you seen it? no i haven't, but that is what the government has said. let's go through some of the substance contained in this document dated august two to see what is still true or not. a shortage of certain types of fresh food? is that still valid? all the things in there. is that still valid? i don't think so. how do you know? i would look at the scenario that we will publish shortly. which you haven't seen but you say you don't think it is still valid. we should look at the actual facts when we look at the updated document.” the actual facts when we look at the updated document. i would love you to talk factually and accurately. but you said you don't think a shortage of certain types of fresh food is still valid. i don't think that will be the case. you don't think that will be the case. you have change what you said initially.

i don't think i have. what it says in the document is that these things could happen. it also says there will be no shortage of food, that is what it says. it also says a shortage of certain types of fresh food. we need to look at the worst—case scenario and put measures in place to make sure we deal with it and that is the sensible thing to do. it also says people on low incomes will be disproportionately affected by any prices in fuel and food rising. is that still valid?” don't know if that has been dealt with by the mitigations put in place, but i know this, the government has promised to put measures in place to make sure prices for consumers are kept as low as possible. there is only 49 days to go on some businesses will cease trading. is that still valid? government the also said it would support previously viable businesses that are unfairly affected by the changes. so that is not still valid? they might have dealt with those issues. let's see when the document comes out. medical supplies will be

vulnerable to delays. all of these things are could happen, not will happen. has that been sorted? we will see in the updated document that has not been seen. the point is, even if a quarter of these things come to pass, that is a nightmare for some people in this country. we will see how bad the effects are. you would agree? it will really detrimentally affect some peoples lives, even if a quarter of these things happen. we will mitigate those situations. can i make the general point, i voted to remain andi i make the general point, i voted to remain and i would do that tomorrow... but now you support a no—deal brexit? tomorrow... but now you support a no-deal brexit? i also voted in parliament is 94% did to give the people about. 52% of the nation decided to leave we should leave. we cannot be a member of a club we cannot be a member of a club we cannot leave. so of course there will be issues that we need to deal with and i would support what the government is doing, which is putting an £8 billion into no deal planning on putting the measures in

place to minimise the impact as well as some of the problems, there will also be opportunities. what the reports never tell you is the reaction of business and i am still in business and i have a lot to lose if this goes wrong. you have two jobs? i am the chairman of a business. i started it from scratch in 1992. will your business be all right? of course, if the economy fails, then my business would be at risk. i don't think that will be the case as long as we put the right measures in place. have i got some risk in this, yes. but you're not going to be affected, with respect, if the prices of certain fresh foods go if the prices of certain fresh foods 9° up if the prices of certain fresh foods go up are if the prices of certain fresh foods go up are you? in some ways, i wish i would, if the wider economy is affected, but we must put measures in place for those on low incomes, the most vulnerable in society, to make sure they are protected. we are waiting to hear from make sure they are protected. we are waiting to hearfrom borisjohnson, it could be any moment, forgive me

ifi it could be any moment, forgive me if i have to interrupt you. remind our audience, do you support a no—deal brexit? our audience, do you support a no-deal brexit? you cannot negotiate without it. yes, yes. do you support a no—deal brexit? 0f without it. yes, yes. do you support a no—deal brexit? of course i want a deal, but i will not take no deal off the table in these negotiations, thatis off the table in these negotiations, that is the wrong thing to do it undermines their negotiating position, what you are saying is, we will accept any deal. you cannot negotiate like that. so, of course, we have to prepare for no deal. of course we have to prepare... but you are saying that you would accept a no—deal brexit? are saying that you would accept a no-deal brexit? of course, you cannot threaten it and not carry it out. even though that would mean voluntarily imposing absolute harm. that is not the case, we will manage thoseissues that is not the case, we will manage those issues as best we can... as best we can, will that reassure people? the majority of people will

not be adversely affected. based on what?! a document that you have not even seen! we should notjump... i would love to be able to judge it by the fact, you have said you do not believe it will happen, based on a document which you have not seen and which has not yet been published! you have to understand how ridiculous that sounds to people. you have to understand how ridiculous that sounds to peoplem does not sound to me to be ridiculous to keep no deal on the table. that is the answer to a question i did not ask. you cannot bea question i did not ask. you cannot be a member of a club you cannot leave the. why would any government consider voluntarily making peoples lives worse. that is not the intent... nevertheless, if you want a deal, and i absolutely believe we will get a deal, if we approach the negotiations on the right way, we have to have an alternative if you wa nt have to have an alternative if you want a deal. this is the alternative?! that is what the government is doing, properly managing and mitigating the impact ofa no managing and mitigating the impact of a no deal situation. of course, there will be impacts, of course

there will be impacts, of course there will, that is why we don't wa nt there will, that is why we don't want no deal. but we want a fair deal and to get that, you need to negotiate robustly and properly. what will the impact be? you will have a better idea of impact when we see the updated document that comes out. if you are saying that you do not know what the impact are, the great british public does not know what the impacts are because we are waiting for a further updated document. we know what they could be, that is why there is the document and why the government seeks to mitigate the issues. 49 days to go, potentially... ayu... i'm not worried, we need to look at these things in a calm and orderly fashion, we need to approach these matters calmly, but i don't think it is helpful that parliament has made their negotiating position of the prime minister more difficult. that's not true, negotiations are carrying on. surely you will accept it is more difficult to negotiate if you have no alternative other than a

deal? will you resign the whip, will you leave the conservative party, if borisjohnson you leave the conservative party, if boris johnson ignores the you leave the conservative party, if borisjohnson ignores the law to stop no deal? of course the government needs to comply with the law, of course it does. so that is a yes? absolutely. on twitter, "if you are reliant on imported medication for survival that cannot be stockpiled, it is pretty much the immediate impact that is top of the list. paragraph six affects hundreds of thousands of people in the uk and will from day 1. jeanette says, "yellowhammer is another thing being used by remainers two thought brexit, it stands to reason that a major change will cause transitional problems and it is right that the government should identify these and put in plans to eliminate and eradicate the problems. —— remainers to thought brexit. same old remainer moans." i thought we were going to hear from boris moans." i thought we were going to hearfrom borisjohnson, moans." i thought we were going to hear from boris johnson, we moans." i thought we were going to hearfrom borisjohnson, we will at some point, i can tell you what he has said in the last few minutes, he has said in the last few minutes, he has denied lying to the queen over the suspension of parliament,

insisting such claims were absolutely not true. do you believe him? boris johnson will have had legal advice himself about the prorogation, we need to see what the supreme court says next week when it determines whether the appeal court in scotland was correct or not, let's wait and see. i'm asking you if you believe your prime minister, when he says, i did not lie? absolutely, i believe him. let me bring in joanna cherry, absolutely, i believe him. let me bring injoanna cherry, snp mp, in edinburgh this morning. good morning to you. you will have heard kevin there, you will have heard other people say that this document is simply, really sensible planning for a worst—case scenario. simply, really sensible planning for a worst-case scenario. well, i heard kevin make a valiant attempt to try to explain what the document is about, but, of course, it is significant that the british government will not put anyone up to speak on your programme, to defend

the document, as you pointed out yourself, this document sets out the consequences of something the british government is planning to inflict on its own people, which is in any view, a stupid thing to do, to shoot yourself in... not if it gets a deal. well, the fact of the matter is that for three years, when parliament was allowed to set "brexit", parliament took evidence from various select committees about the impact of a no—deal brexit and it showed that the impact on the economy of scotland and the whole of the united kingdom would be catastrophic. what these documents show, that have been revealed today, is the short—term effects of a no—deal brexit, they do not show the long—term effects of a no—deal brexit, and there is some concern about the availability of the document, kevin is trying to suggest it was produced under the government of theresa may but it was dated 2nd of theresa may but it was dated 2nd of august. michael gove seems to be in some confusion last week when he

gave evidence to the "brexit" select committee, about whether this was a base case scenario or a worst—case scenario. earlier it had been base case. the concern about the document, really underlines the necessity for parliament to be sitting, so that members of parliament can hold the government to account about the consequences of a no—deal brexit and the provenance of this document and whether the threats are current or not. kevin is trying to suggest they are not current, i suspect that is the case. you would acknowledge that billions more has been poured into preparing to mitigate the risks of no deal, and that things could have changed since this document was prepared on august two? i am not prepared to believe anything this government says under boris johnson, believe anything this government says under borisjohnson, at present, without full sight of the paperwork and the opportunity to scrutinise it. that is why i believe parliament should be recalled. can i ask you this, now you say we officially know how bad a no—deal

brexit could be. we have always known, we have known for some time. this is in the governments own words. does this mean you would vote for a tweaked deal to avoid any of this? i want to be very clear, i believe that we should seek an extension, and i believe that we should hold a second referendum, on theissue should hold a second referendum, on the issue of whether or not to remain in the european union. although we are very focused on a no—deal brexit today, evidence shows that any brexit is damaging to the scottish economy and the british economy. reminding your viewers, sitting here in edinburgh, 75% remain, the country voted 62% remain, the country voted 62% remain, my focus is on making sure that scotland remains in the european union, and i would like a second referendum for the whole of the united kingdom. iwill not second referendum for the whole of the united kingdom. i will not be held to ransom by a government that has been found to be dishonest by the highest civil court in scotland. i understand your focus, the highest civil court in scotland. i understand yourfocus, but the highest civil court in scotland. i understand your focus, but what i put to you is this, a no—deal brexit

could end up slipping through, if you don't vote for a tweaked deal, if one comes back. there is no tweaked deal at present... you are not listening... you can be here all day long but you will not get me, as a scottish national party mp, to say that i will vote for brexit. that is not my mandate. i have worked incredibly hard for the last three years cross—party to try to find a solution to this terrible problem that david cameron threw us into, solution is not to vote for a tweaked deal, that could be damaging to the british economy. the solution to the british economy. the solution to put the matter back to voters across the united kingdom. next question is, if you don't get that, you would acknowledge there is a risk of a no—deal brexit inadvertently. the risk of no-deal brexit is not at my door, i have worked hard to try to prevent a no—deal brexit, i will not accept that the risk is at my door or that of my party, nobody could have done

more than myself and the snp to attempt to save not just scotland but the whole of the united kingdom from this lunacy, sol but the whole of the united kingdom from this lunacy, so i am afraid that we can be here all day but you will not put it at my door. i understand it is yourjob but i will not agree to do that. i want to see a second referendum, i think the events of re ce nt referendum, i think the events of recent days, the disrespect shown by the british government to scottish parliamentarians and more importantly, institution such as the highest court have shown to people across scotland that scotland does not —— scotland is not respected in the united kingdom, we looked at the republic of ireland in the european union, and we looked at what it is like for a small country. scotland is on the path to a second independence referendum, iwill is on the path to a second independence referendum, i will have no doubt there will be a resounding yes vote for an independent scotland

in the european union. final couple of questions, i know you do not have all day, would you be happy for your staff to be. to have to publish their private messages, whats app, e—mails, to you? their private messages, whats app, e-mails, to you? my staff don't communicate about official government business by private message, my staff are not civil servants or advice is, when civil servants or advice is, when civil servants and advisers are giving advice about government business, the law of the land is that they do so using their official e—mails. parliament voted on monday to ordain the government to release the private messages of certain government officials and advisers, because we believe they have been breaking the law by communicating by private messages, whats app and using burner phones, about the reason for prorogation. if that is true, this is a scandal of watergate proportions. so, the fact of the matter is, parliament has spoken, parliament, ina matter is, parliament has spoken,

parliament, in a humble address, has spoken, and has said that these documents must be revealed. if the government banned british government does not reveal them, borisjohnson is in contempt of parliament, that is in contempt of parliament, that is another reason why we must get parliament back to hold parliament to account. when he says that claims that he lied to the queen over the suspension of parliament were absolutely not true, as he has in the last few minutes, how do you respond? three very seniorjudges in scotland looked at the evidence they had and heard the argument and drew the inference that mrjohnson had misled the queen. let's see what the uk supreme court says about it next week. i will be very surprised if he gets off the hook in the uk supreme court. thank you very much. kevin, thank you for your time. keep your m essa g es thank you for your time. keep your messages coming in. the director of public prosecutions has told this programme that he supports the domestic violence bill, one of the new build is automatically dropped when parliament was suspended. when we asked them, the government refused to confirm whether or not it will be

brought back in the next session, in the next plan for legislation over the next plan for legislation over the next plan for legislation over the next few years. there is what the next few years. there is what the director of public prosecutions, max hill, told us. we have worked together with the home office, who sponsor this bill. we are in favour of it. we launched a best practice framework, i personally launched it, alongside senior police officers, and the coach service. we know the direction of travel, we encourage the direction of travel, it is a matter of parliament and the government and not for me. it comes as new figures released within the last hour suggest there are almost 23,500 families and individuals who are homeless, or at risk of being homeless, in england because of domestic abuse. it's the first full year

the stats have been released. the homelessness charity crisis says it shows the government needs to offer more support to people forced to leave their homes because of domestic violence. 0ur reporterjohn 0wen has been to meet someone who was left homeless after fleeing domestic abuse and is now living in temporary accommodation. this space, it's just difficult to have a normal upbringing for a child in a system like this. it's just not normal. he has to eat dinner on the bed. he is restricted when it comes to playing. so itjust kind of makes it a little bit unfairfor him. petagaye lives in temporary accommodation in london sharing a single room with her 2—year—old son. it's effectively a double bed in a kitchen. it's not really hygienic to have a potty right next to a stove, or a kitchen cupboard, to be fair, or having to run downstairs to go and put him on the toilet.

so it's just difficult. she says she's a victim of domestic abuse and has faced homelessness and long periods of uncertainty about her living situation. she says that she first faced abuse some years ago after she started a relationship with a man who became violent towards her. i remember, saying something to him like, "that's so stupid," or "that's quite silly," and hejust got up, and it was so unexpected, he just got up and slapped me across the face. and i wasjust like, did you seriouslyjust do that? she says that after spending years in the abusive relationship, she was removed from the tenancy she shared with her abuser and was made homeless. so i was staying around and moving around between families and friends' house during that period of time. some time later she also became pregnant by another partner and began to experience serious mental health problems. i fell in a deep depression, and it was frustrating. i had several people around me who understood what was going on but i wasn't always open and honest about what was happening. and there were times where... i actually became suicidal.

and i actually wanted to terminate my pregnancy because of it. it wasn't easy being pregnant, struggling, and years later, i'm still suffering because of it. she applied to the local authority for housing and was offered temporary accommodation but she says she was later threatened with eviction on the grounds that she had made herself intentionally homeless, and was told she would have to leave the accommodation she'd been given. first i was given a property in the mother and baby unit and then even after that, they tried to fight against it and evict me again. she eventually managed to have that decision overturned on appeal, but was told she would have to bid for council housing to get a more suitable place to live. a process that can take years. having made myself intentionally homeless, so here's your bidding number. that's it. i was just told it can take anything from four to five years for me

to get a place and that's the only thing that they can give me. it's either that or to try to find a private property, and everyone knows that a lot of people do not want to rent out private properties to council tenants. they haven't offered me anything else. they haven't come around to assess the fact that my son is now turning three and i'm still... i've still got a bed in a kitchen, basically. having already lived in this single room for more than two years, peta says that it is dangerous for her child and that it's having a serious effect on her mental health. i'm on anti—depressants at the moment because of the situation and... anti—depressants only solve the situation for a certain period of time. but living in the condition is not going to change anything and the ones that are being abused by persons are also being abused by the system and i just feel like... itjust makes it bad for us. we have no faith in the system that's been put in place to help us.

a hackney council spokesperson said: "we take domestic abuse extremely seriously, and are sorry to petagaye for the delay in accepting a housing duty after the ordeal she has been through. despite severe cuts to our funding, we have increased spending on domestic violence support and have preserved the third highest number of refuge spaces in london." in the last part of the programme, we will talk about gaming and how it affects children, new reports today from mps that say they are really worried about addiction to gaming. we're going to talk now to claire. she says her 12—year—old son

is addicted to gaming. he's spent more than £3,000 on in—game purchases, and she's found him playing fortnite at 2.30 in the morning. today a new report by mps says gaming companies should pay a levy to fund research in to the long term impact of addictive online gaming. they're also calling for "loot boxes" — that's a type of in—game purchase where you don't know exactly what you're buying, to be regulated under the gambling act and for children to be banned from buying them. i've introduced claire, let's also introduce a labour mp who sat on the committee. jo stephens. ellen widdup who joins us from suffolk, her nine—year—old son was able to spend £300 on in—app purchases without her knowledge, vicki shotbolt the chief executive of parent zone an organization that helps families navigate the digital world. your son is 12, he has been gaming for five years, why do you believe he is addicted? because he cannot

stop, it has got to the stage where, during the summer holidays, he would get up at 7am, and not get off until he was tired, and that was 11pm. it interru pts he was tired, and that was 11pm. it interrupts everything. he cannot aid. even now, he cannot clean his teeth, some mornings. why don't you ta ke teeth, some mornings. why don't you take the devices from him?” teeth, some mornings. why don't you take the devices from him? i do, but when he was younger, this was fine, i was able to hide them around the house. even though sometimes in the morning i would get up and the whole house was ransacked, cupboards open, things pulled out of the cupboards. of course, as he gets older, and bigger and stronger, it gets aggressive. he gets very angry about it. furious, ifi aggressive. he gets very angry about it. furious, if i try to take anything away. for example, yesterday i took away the hub, and it was nonstop aggression until i got it out again.

have you considered throwing everything in the bin? absolutely but the trouble is, there is the good and the bad side of this. when you say £3000, this is in one night. that was the particular night when i heard some noise downstairs, went downstairs to see what it was, saw it was 2:30am, and there he is, talking to somebody in australia, he had found the computer, he was on it, and he was playing fortnight. that... that, next week, i had a look at my bank account and there is endless receipts from paypal, epic games, itunes. .. endless receipts from paypal, epic games, itunes... —— fortnite. —— epic games. ranging between £29 99, and £100. is that because your debit ca rd and £100. is that because your debit card or credit card is linked to the devices, or has he taken your cards from your purse? that is another side of it, very divisive, as with any addict, he will beg, steal or

borrow to get what he wants. at some stages i have had to sleep with credit cards under my pillow, my phone under my pillow, what he would do is, i would have details, of course, on my phone, if i wanted to buy something myself. he would get out the phone, the security, i used the finger that was not, so obvious, he would get my fingers while i was asleep, get my phone, put my fingers on. are you joking? you asleep, get my phone, put my fingers on. are youjoking? you must have woken up? no, clearly not. that happened for a while, so i gave up with that. the other thing he was doing, while i was on my phone, i would have my security card, i wear glasses, he would stand in front of me, watch where my fingers were going, and then just me, watch where my fingers were going, and thenjust to do me, watch where my fingers were going, and then just to do the opposite, because he is watching in my glasses. he would do whatever he could. 0n the good side, of course, it isa could. 0n the good side, of course, it is a social thing. you are past the good side, really, claire, to be honest, in the way you have

described. the problem is, when i was young, we went to the pub, these days, it is a social side. i say, why don't you have a play date, ask somebody round, but there is no point because he is playing with that person on the other side of the computer. bringing in your other guests, joe stevens, as an mp, how do you react to what has been said, bearing in mind the report today?” recognise from what has been said a lot of evidence we heard in the enquiry into addictive technology and it reinforces our concerns about the fact that we are allowing, essentially, a generation of children to become addicts, at a very early age. -- jo stevens. we know the problem for addicts when they are adults, through gambling, traditional gambling, and now through online gambling. when you say, allowing, that is right, isn't it, parents are allowing. parents are allowing, and parliament is allowing, because gambling laws are

so behind the times, they are not fit for purpose in the digital age. we have not caught up with technology. if you banned children from buying in app purchases, how would it work, briefly? what we have asked the government to do in the report is bringing in loot boxes as gambling and outlaw them, apply regulations to them, that exist in the current gambling act, but we think that the developers of the games, the games companies, the trade body should be doing much, much more to look at the harmful nature of their products. in any other area, for medicine, for example, products are tested before they go on sale, why not the same thing with games? would you agree, your nine—year—old unwittingly spent the hundred pounds on in app purchases, how did that happen?” the hundred pounds on in app purchases, how did that happen? i do agree with what has been said, claire is an extreme example, i go out to her. it must be absolutely horrific. we have a family ipad, my

children have homework, they have at homework. maths apps and online apps they use at school which they must download. that's fabulous, i think there is the entertainment side as well, and we should not be restricting children from using online devices. and accessing technology that is going to be part and parcel of their lives as they get older. sol and parcel of their lives as they get older. so i do think it is part ofa get older. so i do think it is part of a healthy balance. my children spend as much time outdoors as they do inside or on a game. but, my son did,| do inside or on a game. but, my son did, ionly do inside or on a game. but, my son did, i only found this out yesterday, i had a phone bill, on my phone bill, he had racked up £300 worth of itunes expenditure. it turns out to be a lot of in app purchases, for games marketed at children. i don't let my children

play games targeted at 18—year—old, they are children's games, full of in app purchases, helping you to progress in the game, downloading specific cheats. and loot boxes, which are kind of like, it is a bit of wheel of fortune. it is gambling, effectively. yes, it is. iwant to bring in ellen, we are coming towards the end of the programme, first of all, your advice to a mother, like claire, and there will be mums and dads up and down the country, we may think that is a potentially extreme case but could be on the road to that.” potentially extreme case but could be on the road to that. i absolutely can't imagine how difficult it is when you are dealing with a child in that situation and it has moved beyond, as you say, you are past the point where you are thinking about fun and social activity. the advice is, put the boundaries in as soon as

the child starts gaming, but for claire, in this instance, get professional help, it is limited in the uk at the moment. a new gambling clinic is open, now available on the nhs, it is the first one, it should have been there much sooner. we struggle at parents own for where to refer people. it is really not enough, not possible to deal with this on your own as a parent. it really is not. as a politician, would you be in favour of making the various platforms repay families, repay a mother £300, repay a mother £3000, affected in this way? based on the evidence i heard on the enquiry, absolutely, i don't think the companies themselves are taking responsibility for the harm that they are already aware of their products can cause. my 18-year-old nephew spent £200 plus in a three month period, says adrian. "my 12—year—old spent £3000 of my money buying virtual games and add—ons online, this has had a devastating

impact on my family." " do parents know that they can confiscate phones and turn off the wi—fi, to stop access to online gaming". too simple? far too simple, children are incredibly talented and able to get around blocks, and the worst thing you can do is create a situation where you think you have all those controls in place and your children are actually going off and doing it somewhere else. thank you very much for coming on the programme and being so candid. thank you. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. some sunshine across eastern parts of england but for many of us, quite overcast at the moment. some rain affecting scotland, northern ireland and parts of north—west england as well, that is the scene at the moment in angus. replicated across

many parts with that cloud, but we have the rain, as i mentioned, across scotland, northern ireland, moving south, significant rain spreading into northern england and north wales later on. brighter skies eventually across scotland and northern ireland and brightness across the far north of england, warm and humid for england and wales. temperatures, 20 to 24 celsius, a bit fresher further north and west. tonight, cloud and patchy rain moving south, northern parts, temperatures into single figures. further south, warm and humid first thing in the morning. as we go through the day, feeling fresher, lots of sunshine expected on friday, clear blue skies, one or two showers in the far north west of scotland.

you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's11am and these are the main stories this morning: borisjohnson denies lying to the queen over the suspension of parliament, insisting such claims were "absolutely not" true. the government says it's already taken measures to address possible hold—ups at ports, disruption to supplies of fresh food and medicines, and the potentialfor an increase in public disorder — in the event of a no—deal brexit. labour calls for parliament to be recalled — to debate those no—deal brexit papers the number of people investigated for rape, who go on to be convicted, falls to its lowest level since records were first compiled more than a decade ago. new figures reveal cancer survival rates in the uk are on the up, but still lag behind

other high—income countries.