tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News September 13, 2019 10:00am-11:00am BST
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hello, it's friday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm joanna gosling. the number of people killed in domestic violence cases in the uk is at its highest level in five years. we'll talk to joanne beverly,whose sister natalie hemming was murdered by her partner in 2016 while natalie‘s three children slept upstairs. lily allen says her record label did not take action after she told them she was sexually assaulted by a music industry figure. all i can tell you is what i do remember, which is waking up in bed with somebody that i trusted, in a position that i really did not want to be and had never given any indication that i did want that. you can hear more of that interview in a few minutes‘ time. and at the end of yet another whirlwind week in politics, we challenge two journalists to sum
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up what's happened in just 60 seconds. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. first, annita mcveigh has the news. the number of people who've been killed by a partner or relative is at its highest level for at least five years, despite a government push to reduce the levels of domestic violence. new police figures obtained by the bbc show there were 173 domestic killings in the uk last year — that's 3a more than in 2016. the government says it is running awareness campaigns,
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recruiting 20,000 police officers and reviewing sentencing. the speaker of the house of commons, john bercow, says he will block any attempt by the prime minister to ignore a new law preventing a no—deal brexit. speaking at a conference in london last night, mr bercow said he would allow the creative use of parliamentary rules to ensure the new law is obeyed, and that mps have the final say on brexit. borisjohnson has previously said britain will leave the eu on october 31st, with or without a deal. two men have been arrested at heathrow as climate change protesters tried to launch drones within the airport's exclusion zone. heathrow pause said it intended to fly drones in the 5km exclusion zone around the airport on friday morning. heathrow says services are operating as normal. a nursery worker who sexually abused children in her care will be banned from returning to her home county when she is released from prison. vanessa george was jailed
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for a minimum of seven years in 2009 for abusing children in plymouth. the parole board says she's now eligible to be released on licence but with strict conditions, including an order to stay out of devon or cornwall. the manufacturer whirlpool has stepped up its efforts to contact people who have tumble dryers which might pose a fire risk. since a full recall was announced injuly, the firm has located more than 60,000 of the potentially faulty dryers — branded hotpoint, indesit, creda, proline or swan — but hundreds of thousands still remain in uk homes. one of the world's biggest record labels, warner music, has failed to take action after hearing allegations of sexual assault, according to the singer lily allen. the allegation came in an interview the 34—year—old gave to the bbc podcast the next episode. warner music said they take accusations of sexual misconduct extremely seriously and investigate claims that are raised with them.
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sainsbury‘s has become the latest supermarket to target packaging waste, pledging to halve the amount of plastic used in its stores by 2025. the company said customers will have to change their behaviour to achieve the "bold ambition". it is also inviting the public and business partners to submit new ideas. singer adele has filed for divorce from her husband simon konecki, according to legal documents filed in the us. a representative said the pair were "committed to raising their son together lovingly". their son was born in 2012 and the couple married in 2016. that is a summary of the news and so far, back to you, joanne. the number of people killed as a result of domestic violence in the uk is at its highest level in five years. last year, 173 people were killed in domestic violence—related homicides, according to data obtained by the bbc from 43 police forces across the uk. that's an increase
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of 32 deaths on 2017. 0ne criminologist described them as "invisible victims of knife crime". it comes as prime minister boris johnson said the government was "fully committed" to tackling domestic abuse, and promised to re—introduce the domestic violence bill, which was dropped when parliament was suspended. we can speak now tojoanne beverly, whose sister natalie hemming was murdered by her partner in 2016 while natalie‘s three children slept upstairs. nick gazzard, whose 20—year—old daughter hollie was killed by her ex—partner in 2014. karen ingala smith, who runs a website that keeps count of the number of women killed by men. and julia mulligan, who's the association of police and crime commissioners victims lead. and police, fire and crime commissioner for north yorkshire. welcome, all of you, thank you for joining us. joanne, prior to your sister being killed, were you aware
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of concerns in the relationship?” think we all were worried that the relationship probably wasn't as healthy as it should be, whether or not we really understood that she was living with domestic abuse, i don't think any of us really understood what it was. do you think she understood ? understood what it was. do you think she understood? i don't think she really understood, i think she knew that things weren't right but would she have labelled it as domestic abuse, no. none of us had heard of coercive control until this happened. her eldest child, kirsty, was 11 when she started raising issues at school, what was she telling school? just that there was violence in the home, and that she was scared, and unfortunately, the system failed, the school did their pa rt system failed, the school did their part but unfortunately that was as far as the complaint got. and i think it is quite sad that the
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opportunity was missed. i am not suggesting for one second that the outcome would have been any different, but i think the fact that the one opportunity, the point that ki rsty the one opportunity, the point that kirsty had the courage to say, i need help, she wasn't listened to. what were the sort of things that we re what were the sort of things that were going on that you know about now? the relationship wasjust incredibly controlling. i think the most shocking one for all of us was hearing about a very minor incident where kirsty had had an apple in her school bag, which had gone mouldy, and the response to that was to make her stand from six o'clock in the evening until six o'clock in the morning in the living room, in the corner of the room, and then send her to school the next day. so she had been made to stay awake all night in the corner of the living room, and he kept coming down the stairs to check to make sure she was still there. that is really upsetting, did joanne know that that was happening? natalie. i'm sorry.
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yes, andi was happening? natalie. i'm sorry. yes, and i think that is really hard, forany yes, and i think that is really hard, for any parent to understand, if you don't really understand coercive control, and how much control this man had on the family. and i did ask kirsty why she had never felt she could speak to any of us, and her response was, if i told you, you would not have let me go home, and then he would have hurt my mum. so, they all knew what risk they were living with. to try to prevent something terrible happening. absolutely, trying to keep themselves safe. nick, your daughter holly was stabbed to death at the hairdresser‘s salon where she worked in 2014, killed by her partner, who actually had a long history of incidents, was she aware of that? absolutely not, he had had two previous partners who he had put in hospital, actually, but she was not aware of any of that. the
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domestic disclosure scheme came out in 2014, the month after holly was killed. so called clare's law. yes, had that been around, then she would have looked into his background. do you think she would have done, what we re you think she would have done, what were her feelings in you think she would have done, what were herfeelings in the relationship, what was it like?m was an 011 relationship, what was it like?m was an on off relationship, it wasn't very mature in terms of how long she had been going out with him, and also, she'd moved to london to go ona him, and also, she'd moved to london to go on a cruise ship, training to go on to go on a cruise ship, training to goona to go on a cruise ship, training to go on a cruise ship, but she came back very early and i think that was the influence of him, he had that power and control over holly. but i don't think she understood what was happening, she was only 19 years of age and she didn't have that life experience to know. so i am absolutely clear that she had no idea what was going on. and the danger she was in. you don't think she knew she was in danger? absolutely not, no. so, in that case... well, the funny thing is, in
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that respect, he was caught on cctv with his hands around holly's throat and the police picked it up. but holly didn't want to make a complaint and the police didn't pursue it any further. but that was the second time. so, there were a lot of bits and pieces that we could look back at now and say, well, those were indicators that actually, he isa those were indicators that actually, he is a power and control person. those were indicators that actually, he is a power and control personm can be spotted from the outside, but as we are hearing from both of you, when they were inside it, it is a case of maybe trying to keep the peace? i just case of maybe trying to keep the peace? ijust don't case of maybe trying to keep the peace? i just don't think she knew what was going on. as parents, we look at it from the outside, we didn't pick up on the issues. now, with the education and the awareness that we have, looking back, we can see what was going on, things like holly was losing wait, when she was with him, she came back, she wasn't the bubbly person that she normally was. but then she would get back to her normal self after a couple of
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hours. there were very, very sad signs which we can now see we did not pick up on at the time. karen, these signs, presumably, will always be there, sometimes things will be reported, sometimes not — can things be done any differently to protect women like these? i think things can be done in relationships, but if we're really serious about reducing the amount of men's violence against women, we've got to start much earlier and start with how we bring up earlier and start with how we bring up boys and girls, what we think about masculinity, about relationships, and even how we talk about men's violence against women, to not be scared to say that that is what it is. it is upsetting to hear, but these two women were in a relationship where they didn't understand, necessarily, what was going on? well, we don't know that they didn't understand, a lot of women, they know that they are at
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risk, and they know that the safest way to stay safe is to keep quiet about it. so, fora way to stay safe is to keep quiet about it. so, for a lot of women, not looking for support, not trying to leave, might be a survival strategy. but i also think abusive men are very manipulative patch in a very good at making women feel sorry for them, very good at making women feel sorry forthem, and very good at making women feel sorry for them, and that if they were just a looked after, if we understood what had happened to them when they we re what had happened to them when they were younger, if we cared for them, that things would be different. and they are also very good at undermining women's confidence and making women believe that somehow they're causing the problem, or that they're causing the problem, or that they're not good enough, that nobody else would want them, their friends don't like them. what we see all the time is lots of different tactics going on from abusive men, and society giving messages about what men should be and what women should be, and it just men should be and what women should be, and itjust creates a men should be and what women should be, and it just creates a very dangerous situation. one criminologist has described the 173
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women killed in domestic violence —related deaths as invisible victims of knife crime — what do you think about that? that is something that i have been saying for a long time. the work i've been doing, we look at how women are killed, and when women are killed, they're, in about 50% of cases, a knife has been used, the next most common thing is strangulation. and if you look at all the knife crime strategies, most of them are targeted on young men or young people in the street, rather than the home. you can't remove knives in the home, and even if you did, because i think one police force ridiculously talked about that as an option, and men would find another way to be violent. i also think whenever we have any data about violence, if we don't disaggregate it by sex, women are made invisible. julia mulligan, we
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we re made invisible. julia mulligan, we were hearing about clare's law, there are obviously lots of tolls at there are obviously lots of tolls at the disposal of the police if somebody goes to them to report something, can you just run through what would happen if somebody goes" what would happen if somebody goes... for instance, let's pick up on what happened in a home environment, where natalie's daughter was made to stand in a corner by somebody 12 hours, it is clearly not a usual situation but in terms of something the police can actually start to look at and take action on, what can you offer? so, i think one of the biggest problems we haveis think one of the biggest problems we have is police officers understanding the nature of controlling abuse. so, very often you have heard domestic abuse being called domestic violence. i think thatis called domestic violence. i think that is problematic, we need to call it abuse because there is also subway is and means that perpetrators use to control their victims. and very often, when you
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hear these stories, control and coercion is at the heart of it. that's the first thing. we need to make sure that the police are trained to understand coercive control properly and notjust trained to understand coercive control properly and not just to trained to understand coercive control properly and notjust to see what might be small things as individual, isolated incidents, to look at the pattern of behaviour and to recognise it. so, it is not, then, something obvious like somebody being attacked, which is something tangible, you're describing a picture of small things that might be difficult to describe and to somebody that doesn't understand, might not build up a very clear picture, but says somebody comes to you and has that clear picture of repeated incidents, what can you do? so, the police have tried and tested ways of responding to victims, so, the victim calls and they will respond immediately and go
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to someone's house, they will make sure that the perpetrator is removed from that environment... but... joanna is shaking her head at that point, sorry to interrupted about usa and, you are both saying, there isa usa and, you are both saying, there is a fear sometimes of making things worse, would that have been helpful? i think worse, would that have been helpful? ithink in worse, would that have been helpful? i think in some areas that may be the case, but i can tell you now that not all police forces have the same policies around domestic abuse. and i know my sister was removed from her home when there was an incident and she was taken to my mums, not the perpetrator.” incident and she was taken to my mums, not the perpetrator. i agree, there's inconsistencies, and police officers need to deal with perpetrators, and not blame the victims, and there is too much focus around dealing with the victims and isolating them and moving them, rather than dealing with the perpetrators. the perpetrators need to be dealt with. we need to support
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victims properly and we need to make sure that they have all of the support they need to go through the criminal justice support they need to go through the criminaljustice process, if they choose. but the most important thing is to keep people safe. but do you have the power to remove a perpetrator from a home? yes, absolutely, you can arrest someone. but they might end up going back if charges aren't pressed and that is sometimes an issue as well, or if nothing comes forward as a result of charges even be impressed? there are all sorts of things that the police have at their disposal. there are civil injunctions that can be made as well, so there is a whole range of things, it's making sure that they are deployed systematically and appropriately. the most important thing, though, is for people to recognise what is going on in the first instance. i was with some victims recently who said they went into a police station and the first time they realised what was happening to them was when they saw the coercive control wheel on the wall. and so, trying to understand
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the complicity of some of this is really difficult. and the police need to know and understand what is going on when they go to an incident or when somebody calls them on the telephone. and if they don't get that right in the first instance, then all of the other things that they might be able to do won't happen. thank you all of you very much, we're out of time but it has been good to have all of your perspectives on this. and if you've been affected by issues in this discussion, there is a range of organisations and websites that can offer you advice and support. you can find them listed on the bbc‘s actionline website at bbc.co.uk/actionline. still to come... lily allen says her record label never took any action after she told them she was sexually assaulted by an industry figure — others have also made similar claims. we'll discuss if the music industry has a problem protecting performers from abuse.
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pounding bass, dancing until dawn, and drug use. 0nce big in the ‘90s, illegal raves are back on the rise once again, and a growing problem in the peak district. we go out on rave patrol with the derbyshire police. even by the standards of the extraordinary political times we're living through, this week would take some beating. we've had the prorogation of parliament, the resignation of the speaker, the prime minister's failure for a second time to secure a general election, and the decision from scotland's highest court that found the suspension of parliament unlawful. and now this morning, the dup leader has denied reports in the times that the party is prepared to abide by some european rules after brexit. here to mull it all over and look at where our country is headed next i'm joined by katy balls
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the deputy political editor at the spectator and sonia sodha, chief leader writer with the observer. we have got a challenge for you both first of all, you each have one minute to run through what you believe to be the most significant moments of the week. so, katie, we will get the clock up, you have 60 seconds for your summary. so, i think the most significant thing is, we have a prime minister who is effectively stuck in downing street, unable to negotiate as he wants, after the failure to legislate against a no—deal brexit to force him to seek a brexit delay received royal assent. 0n him to seek a brexit delay received royal assent. on top of that he has failed twice now including this week to get a general election, so he can't go to the polls. and parliament has been suspended so nothing is going to happen for a couple of weeks, unless the supreme court agrees with the scottish court ruling this week that prorogation is illegal. 0r bad advice. in which case, he may have to face the music sooner rather than later. you've got
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another 17 seconds! adding to boris johnson's problems, we havejohn bercow, who announced that he is going to resign this week, which appeared to be good news for the tories, however, the problem is that people now think he wants to create a legacy before he goes and in the various rulings on brexit in the commons he might be synthetic to the other side to. your time is up, thank you very much, katie. so much to talk about. and it is extraordinary that that has all happened in one week. let's bring in sonia sodhia, because we have sprung this on you, i'm afraid, you have had little time to prepare, but you are brilliant for doing this for us, so tell us in 60 seconds how you would summarise this week. —— katy. so, numberone, parliament prorogued. not sitting for five weeks, if boris johnson prorogued. not sitting for five weeks, if borisjohnson gets his way. but then we heard the scottish
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court actually say that the prorogation of parliament was illegal. that is going to be heard in the supreme court next week. there is a chance that the court will overturn a the prime minister's decision and we might actually see mps come back. secondly, we saw the publication of the yellowhammer document, the government came under a lot of pressure to publish the document setting out what might happen undera no document setting out what might happen under a no deal, and a lot of the content was familiar, because it is what had already been leaked, stuff like shortage of medical supplies potentially, shortage of food. thirdly, we have seen the split in the tory party behind closed doors continue, and we know a lot of cabinet ministers are very uneasy with boris johnson's strategy, and there were some things in the papers yesterday saying that borisjohnson has really got in the papers yesterday saying that boris johnson has really got to obey the law. fourthly. .. boris johnson has really got to obey the law. fourthly... you're out of time. another couple of points! and another couple of things is, we saw
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some of the differences within the opposition alliance of boris johnson overnight, we've got the lib dems are saying that their policy would be to revoke article 50, we've got divisions within labour about whether you should have a referendum ora whether you should have a referendum or a general election, and we've also seen a lot of talk about that elusive deal and what different elements the conservative party and the dup might consider. it is mind blowing, this has all happened in a week. i think probably the best way to do it is to go throw it chronologically. let's start with john bercow‘s resignation, that was a moment? yeah, and i think it was a moment lots of tory mps had been hoping for, for some time, and would have liked it to have come a while ago. but there was almost a sting in the tail, he announced that he is not going to seek re—election and will stand down. but he wants to have the vote for his replacement in this parliament, and he said that is because he believes that the mps in this parliament, which we know are
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weighted against this government, if weighted against this government, if we look at recent votes, are more independently minded and are less likely to be influenced by their party leaders. and i think there is a sense that the speaker is supposed to be this impartial role, john bercow has changed that and added a lot of character to it, something he is biased in terms of brexit and there is a worry on the tory benches that what he is trying to do now is to get a successor who will do more as he did, rather than previous incarnations. there was a long period, sonia sodhia, where he listened to the accolades on the benches about him as speaker — how much has him being speaker shaped where we are now in terms of brexit? profoundly, he has been quite an active speaker, he has taken an expansionist view of his role, which is to stick up for parliament, and that has been controversial, he has
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broken with certain parliamentary conventions to do that. and i think if you take a step back from all of this, the idea that we live in a parliamentary democracy, we have got a parliament which is opposed to no deal yet a prime minister saying we are going to leave on 315t october, evenif are going to leave on 315t october, even if it does involve living without a deal. so he has been quite assertive about the rights of parliament but without him, undoubtedly, i think borisjohnson would have found it far far easier to have his way with parliament. john bercow has been absolutely key in ensuring that opposition mps opposed to no deal can take control of the parliamentary agenda and pass this legislation, which is so difficult for boris johnson, which mandates him to go and ask for an extension from the eu if he hasn't got a deal through by mid—october. so,john got a deal through by mid—october. so, john bercow's role has been incredibly important. but i think katy is right, i thinkjohn bercow has shaped this role very much, but i think the person who follows him will also seek to similarly be there
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for parliament, to stick up for the powers of parliament. so i don't think we are going to go back to the days where we have a speaker who takes more of a back seat. and that is partly to do with the politics of the situation, when you have got a government which cannot command a majority in parliament... we've got so many developments through the week that we need to get through, so the second vote, losing the second vote on the election, a dramatic moment, again, even though it was expected? it was expected, just another sign that this government is finding it very difficult to govern. when he doesn't have a working majority. and usually, when you have deadlock in parliament or a government cannot effectively govern, you would have a general election. but you have this cross— party election. but you have this cross—party group of opposition parties and some former conservative mps who have decided they don't want
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a general election, they want certain things on brexit to be resolved first, and that leads to this very strange scenario, that everything seems to be quite stuck. and obviously, the issue of prorogation, going through the courts, and there was thatjust a well moment on wednesday, when the scottish courts ruled that the prorogation was illegal, it is going back to the supreme court on tuesday. we have to see what happens then, —— wow moment. but where the supreme court to uphold that decision... this was the moment from the scottish court, and incredible scenes in parliament when that was happening. but then, of course, the action moves to the courts. where the courts to rule next week's, sonia sodhia, that prorogation were illegal, it would mean mps having to go back and it would also mean the government having a minority, a majority, i suppose you would put
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it, of, what is it, minus...? -21, it, of, what is it, minus...? -21, it is. sorry, —42. it, of, what is it, minus...? -21, it is. sorry, -42. so, how do you see things unfolding in that instance? it may not happen, obviously, but we are in uncharted territory, again? absolutely. it was completely extraordinary, i think, that ruling from the scottish court, but it was a very important one. we might not have a written constitution but we do have constitutional law and if the prime minister breaks that law then it is really important that he is held to account by the courts, that is the purpose of ourjudicial system. but i think if the supreme court does uphold the scottish ruling next week and we do see mps come back, there will actually be some questions about exactly what opposition mps will be plotting. they may, for example, be seeking to take further
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steps to ensure that boris johnson absolutely does have to ask for an extension from the eu if he does not get a deal by mid—october. there is some concern that maybe he would find a loophole to explode. so i think if mps do come back, we could expect to see —— exploit —— a lot more plotting, a lot more scheming, to ensure that boris johnson more plotting, a lot more scheming, to ensure that borisjohnson has to go along with the will of parliament. i want to have a clip of quietly courting, who criticised the judges in scotland on the andrew neil programme. the more the courts get involved in politics, it is a detriment not only to politics but also to the courts, because many people are saying, i am not saying this, but many people are saying, and i'm sure nigel farage might have and i'm sure nigel farage might have a view on this, that the judges are biased, thejudges are a view on this, that the judges are biased, the judges are getting involved in politics, i am just saying what people are saying, that is what people are saying. so, you don't think thesejudges is what people are saying. so, you don't think these judges took an independent... ? don't think these judges took an independent...? that is don't think these judges took an
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independent. . . ? that is not what i said, andrew. isaid independent. . . ? that is not what i said, andrew. i said that i think that they are impartial. but i am saying that many people, many leave voters and people up and down the country are beginning to question the partiality of the judges, that is just the partiality of the judges, that isjust a the partiality of the judges, that is just a fact. the partiality of the judges, that isjust a fact. boris johnson went against what he was saying, to try to ta ke against what he was saying, to try to take some of the heat out of that, we've not got much longer so i wa nt to that, we've not got much longer so i want to talk about yesterday, oliver letwi n want to talk about yesterday, oliver letwin saying that he thinks now a referendum is going to be inevitable. are we getting closer to a referendum, could you imagine borisjohnson a referendum, could you imagine boris johnson saying a referendum, could you imagine borisjohnson saying yes to a referendum? i cannot see it. but what does worry some government figures, you have this block, if they could unite around a second referendum perhaps, ithink they could unite around a second referendum perhaps, i think the numbers in this parliament are still tricky if you look at labour mps representing leave seats to go for a
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second referendum but if we do end up second referendum but if we do end up with the general election then we could go there. because boris johnson has lost control of the commons, anything is possible. just to bring us right up today, the northern ireland only backstop, dup sammy wilson saying this morning, the dup would not agree to what is being discussed about potentially providing a way through. do you think that northern ireland only backstop is going to be the path the government goes down? there have been optimistic noises this week, but it looks very difficult with these numbers in parliament, even if there is a breakthrough. boris johnson has to sell it to his party and now no deal is off the table, it is hard for him to get there. thank you both very much forjoining us. we will have to see what next week
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in politics brings. two people have been arrested inside the perimeter of heathrow airport, by police investigating a threat by climate change activists to disrupt flights using drones. seven other people were detained yesterday. heathrow says services are operating as normal. earlier this week on the programme, we spoke to some of those planning to take part in the protest. it doesn't show that i don't care. it shows how much i care because i'm prepared to go to prison over this. the responsibility here lies with the government. when you press ahead with a third runway, knowing the house is already on fire, adding to the fire is totally irresponsible. we are talking about people's lives here, not their inconvenience. every day thousand people die as a result of the effect of the climate breakdown. most of them children. i can't stand by and do nothing when that's happening. keith doyle is here to tell us more. what is happening? there is a big police operation in and around heathrow this morning after those climate protesters say they are going to fly toy drones in and around the airport. we know nine
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arrests have been made, seven are pre—emptive arrests. two were made in the early hours this morning and the metropolitan police say they we re the metropolitan police say they were made inside the perimeter of the airport. heathrow paul is a splinter group to extinction rebellion. it is separate to it. but it did say they were going to fly drones in the no—fly zone around heathrow airport. overnight they posted a video of them trying to fly these drones. the group have said they believed there was a blocking technology. obviously the police and security operations will not tell us what they were deploying, but the drones did not fly. there is a dispersal order to prevent criminal activity which poses a significant and security risks to the airport. that came in at 4:30am and it is
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until sunday morning and it gives the police extra powers. i have seen some tweets to say there have been more arrests, so that number may go up. airport has had, they accept people want to protest against climate change, but they say committing criminal offences and disrupting passengers is counter—productive. saying that, there has been no disruption to flights or any passenger journeys because of this this morning. thank you, keith. the probation service has said a nursery workerjailed for sexually abusing children in her care will be banned from two counties when she is released from prison. vanessa george was jailed indefinitely in 2009 after taking photographs on her phone as she abused toddlers at a nursery in plymouth. our reporter clairejones is here to tell us more. who is vanessa george? va nessa vanessa george worked at little ted's nursery in plymouth. she took photographs on her phone of her
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abusing children in her care and swapped those indecent images over the internet. she pleaded guilty in 2097 sexual assaults on children and making 124 indecent images of children but she has always refused to identify who have victims wear. what is the latest update on her release? when she was jailed in 2009, she was sentenced to seven years in prison. earlier in the year she was judged to be eligible for parole. she is under strict conditions and the probation service said she would not be allowed to return to her home in devon and cornwall when she is released. and the chief probation officer said she understood what the prospect of george's release was so to so many people, especially in plymouth where memories of her abuse
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are so vivid and frightening. in an open letter to the people of plymouth, she said george would never be allowed to work with children again and would be on the sex offenders register for the rest of her life and if any breaches of conditions of her probation officer thinks there is an increasing chance she might reoffend, that she can be immediately recalled to prison. what reaction has there been to that? last month we spoke to one father who actually had a child at the nursery. we have called him simon and he believes his child was sexually assaulted vanessa george. he said he has been tormented by her unwillingness to admit which infants she abused. our sentence is still carrying on. the only time she's feigned remorse was in that first interview.
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i believe that woman is still a danger to children. she's had those urges before, i don't think they'll ever go away. i think there is a very, very strong possibility she could do it again. his reaction this morning, he told us his reaction this morning, he told us it's a joke, the parole board do not know where all the parents currently live. he said people could still bump into her and it should be a much larger zone. still bump into her and it should be a much largerzone. he still bump into her and it should be a much larger zone. he said she will get recognised and justice will then be truly served. last month we also spoke to a former worker at little ted's nursery in plymouth and they said they felt they would have been repercussions it vanessa george had returned to devon and cornwall. thank you very much, claire.
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the singer lily allen says her record label has taken no action against a man who she says assaulted her and who still works within the music industry. she was speaking the the bbc podcast, the next epirsode — and we'll play you some of that interview in a moment. it's not the first time the issue of sexual abuse in the music industry has been in the headlines. back in 2017, this programme was told that sexual abuse and harrassment in the industry was "endemic" by women working in the music world. we spoke to women who'd been seriously sexually assaulted and told to stay quiet. here's some of our film from 2017. when i was about 23 years old, i went to a gig like i did every night. i went with a few friends from work. we met the manager of a couple of artists that we were trying to sign. he started plying me with drinks and buying me shots. we ended up drinking quite a lot and then going back to mine to continue the night.
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he fell asleep on the sofa and i went to bed. i woke up in the middle of the night and he'd got into bed with me and his fingers were inside me. he'd lit all the candles in my room. he acted like it wasn't a big deal, but he did stop. i didn't know how long he'd been doing it before i woke up. he went back to sleep on the sofa and in the morning he was gone. how did you feel in that moment when you woke up and you knew what was happening? it must have been hugely traumatic. it was one of the most horrible experiences of my life. i felt truly violated. so i went to work and i very quietly told people. i was encouraged to keep quiet on the matter because it would hurt our chances of signing his artist. he actually got away with assault. by the age of 16, amy had started working with a managerfrom one of the uk's largest music companies
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and quickly became a successful artist. we've changed her name to protect her identity. the first few years when we worked together were actually really good. my music was getting attention from labels for the first time and we had chart success with my first release. and we were quite a good team until everything went wrong. what went wrong? well, he told me and that he was in love with me and that if i didn't agree to be his girlfriend then he would ruin my career. i was 17 at this point and he was quite a few years older than me. so i went along with it and over the next two years he continued to blackmail me and threaten me to be in a relationship. well lilly allen spoke to miquita oliverfrom the next episode — and just a warning that this interview contains descriptions of sexual violence.
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let's hear what she said. just a warning, the interview does describe sexual violence.” just a warning, the interview does describe sexual violence. i do feel like my career has been bleep as a result about talking about the stuff. i really feel that. i had been at a party. he was in a position of responsibility, i guess. so he had got me out of this party and had decided he wanted to take me back to my hotel. we got to my hotel, i couldn't find my room keys so he said, why don't you sleep in my bed while i go and get the keys, whatever. i passed out in his bed and the next thing is i woke up, he was in my bed naked, slapping my bum and trying to insert his venus into my private parts. i recoiled and i
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got up out of the bed and i screamed and my keys were there. i was drunk, so all i can tell you is what i do remember, which is waking up in bed with somebody that i trusted in a position i did not want to be in and had never given any indication that idid want had never given any indication that i did want that. have you had any engagement from your record label since he wrote about the incident in your book? yes, i went out to dinner with one of the label bosses and he said to me, he had no idea about this incident until he read it in the book. did he say, we are going to do something about it? no. miquita oliverfrom the next episode podcast is here. they have given us a statement and they said we take accusations of
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sexual misconduct very seriously and investigate claims raised with us and we are focused in providing a safe and professional environment. although lily has had, after her meeting with max lasorda, one of the heads of warner, she said no action has been taken. what does she want to come from her speaking out? there isa to come from her speaking out? there is a responsibility for younger women and other girls in the music industry. lily's legit attacker, the bbc understand still works in the music industry. i think she just wa nted music industry. i think she just wanted acknowledgement, which is something she has never had. more broadly, we played a clip of our film from 2017, what are the concerns about issues within the music industry? i think it is such a big problem, lily says in the interview, that there is this boy's
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clu b interview, that there is this boy's club culture. their men, they protect each other and themselves and it stays within them. i don't think it feels like a particularly safe s pa ce think it feels like a particularly safe space to speak out, you don't feel very powerful, huge power imbalance. you hear people sailing n das imbalance. you hear people sailing ndas so they cannot speak up. —— signing. the problem is that the alcohol everywhere. lily says people are encouraged to loosen up and party and the lines get very blurred. thank you for coming and talking to us. the podcast is the next episode and is part of a wider investigation and it is looking into the #metoo and the music industry.
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illegal raves were big in the 90s, and police say they're back on the rise in derbyshire's peak district, one of the country's most famous national parks. it's notjust the noise disturbance and damage to the environment which bothers local residents but the availability of drugs, often to under age ravers, which is worrying. so derbyshire police with the help of volunteers are fighting back. inside out's sarah sturdey went on the rave patrol with derbyshire's rural crime unit. evening, guys. the main aim of tonight is to stop these raves from setting up before they get going. these are previous sites that we've had raves in the last few years. they are all labeled. i've got a briefing intel slide on here about the potential drugs you might find when you go into the raves. nitrous oxide being one of them. definitely potential for a rave tonight. if something goes wrong, i can tell you now, i've not got a signal on my mobile phone. we even struggle on our police radios which are bouncing off
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all the masts available. so if you've got 200 teenagers out here, first of all, they've got to identify they've got a problem, they've got to get a signal, they've got to let somebody know where they are. not a lot of people that come out here know exactly where they are. evening, everyone. lot of you tonight. has everyone got the rave phone number? yeah? 0k. james has got the rave phone tonight. so if you give him a call on that number, he's got his police radio and then he'll patch it through to us, all right? and we'll coordinate our patrols accordingly. two weeks ago a typical rave was being set up by the organizers of these raves. £20,000 worth of sound equipment which was seized by the police. and there was numerous people in the area which made it into an illegal rave and the police took positive action. these people were being dropped off
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by taxis, there were 20, 30 taxis. and it's always that bass beat. you can hear it all the way through the valley. and i don't... and it's notjust an hour or so, it's until sunday afternoon. that would happen every saturday night for a three month period if we didn't do something about it. yes. making our way. eta about ten minutes, thank you. so we just had a report that we've got a van that's been emptied of sound equipment at fox house which again is right on the border, derbyshire and south yorkshire. special constable on patrol up there has entered one of the car parks and there's a van being unloaded. yeah, nice. we came here, it was about one o'clock in the morning, the party, rave was in full swing. about 200 to 300 people.
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drugs, alcohol, it's horrendous, there's rubbish everywhere. this is one of the rubbish pits that we've found. evidence that large fires have been set. obviously, doesn't take a genius, this time of year. what happened last year, moorland fires in what is otherwise, as we can see, quite a lovely site, really. is it charles again? not again! 0h, we've met you before at cut—throat bridge, remember? that was some time ago. it was, wasn't it? how old are you all? how old are you? 18? sure? any more coming? you've not told anyone yet? you've not sent the big old... 0k. i'm going to get some more details off you. have you not had a bit of a warning off us before? now and again, yes. it's rugged edge. so all the equipment then we've all got, what've we got, we've got wheelbarrows full of generators, fuel, speakers. i saw a couple of lights here. i've been to a rave here before. sojust called in and saw them
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all unloading the kit and that immediately for us is enough to come and try and seize their equipment and put a stop to the party. this is exactly what we came out for. and by the looks of it, we've hit the jackpot with it. it's lovely to party, and obviously being outside, it'sjust, it's better than being enclosed. you get a definite feeling of freedom. it's nice not being in the city centre. i mean, recently, i got assaulted recently on... that was down in bristol but it just puts you on edge about being in the city centre. some of the people as we came in, we asked them how old they were and they said they were 17, so they're not all adults. some are children. to facilitate or benefit from the music. i mean, you've got to have a party, don't you? if you're organising this, you've got to shoulder some of that responsibility. you don't know what these kids have got on them or what they're going to be taking or have taken. if something were to happen tonight
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we'd be looking at you, in a much more serious type of attention. well, it's a fair warning, i suppose. all right, guys, you want to wrap it up. get on the road. would i want my two 16—year—old daughters to be out here at this time, hiding in bushes on a dark unlit road? i think the answer is no. you can look forward to what's called a community protection warning notice. 0k. 27 dogs in norway have died after a mystery illness swept across the country. the government has now issued a warning to dog owners that dogs shouldn't play together in case it's contagious. so what could be behind it? i've been speaking to ivar fonkalsrud, whose five—year—old dog saki survived the illness. and a warning, there is a distressing picture of saki towards the beginning of this interview.
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she had some kind of new food the day before. then she had a fit of very loose, brown diarrhoea. then later we went walking she was vomiting constantly, 20, 30 times during a few hours. then during the night she developed a spasm of bloody diarrhoea and i woke up to find the whole living room swimming in blood. we can see a picture of her when she was very ill and it is quite distressing to see that, it must have been very worrying for you to find her in that condition. how quickly did you go and get treatment and what happened then?” quickly did you go and get treatment and what happened then? i rushed her to the vet as soon as i saw her
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lying there quite lifeless. we drove to the nearest vet, about ten minutes away and she got you know, acute treatment with ivy and oxygen and the whole package. then we had to go to the hospital for animals in the town centre and she was admitted there and stayed there for three nights. at this point, you are not aware obviously it was an issue affecting other dogs, which has subsequently become clear. what were you told about what was going on with her, what the problem was? after they had ta ken with her, what the problem was? after they had taken a different diagnosis, they found out it was an
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acute bowel infection and treated herfor acute bowel infection and treated her for those kind of acute bowel infection and treated herfor those kind of symptoms. they didn't know much more than that. she gradually improved and stabilised. very sad to say, your dog bianca had died of this mystery illness, what first happened with her?m died of this mystery illness, what first happened with her? it was on thursday the 29th of august. she was throwing up at home. everything else was quite normal and we thought well, sometimes she is throwing up, so we did not react specifically on that. later, the same evening, she was having diarrhoea. without blood,
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it was already late in the evening. so we waited until the next morning. the next morning at 7:30am she was really ill, she could not stand and she was lying there. we rushed to the vet which opened at 8am. came into the operating room and the situation for the dog was so bad, it had died 15 minutes later. that must have been an absolutely terrible shock, how quickly things progressed? yes. hannah, you are a vet at the veterinary institute in oslo and so far you have seen about ten dogs, is that right? we have had
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12 dogs in so far. quite a few more on their way, unfortunately. how many more? i think we have received eight dogs today. gosh, it is continuing to spread, what have you been able to ascertain as to what is going on, what might be causing this? gastroenteritis is the name of the syndrome, i would say. it is not that uncommon. it is something we usually see sporadically though. at the moment it seems the number of cases have been increasing, at least in certain parts of the country. that is unusual. what we have done is, we have taken in so far these 12 dogs we have done autopsies on and we haven't been able to conclude on
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what has caused it. it's not that uncommon in cases of haemorrhagic gastroenteritis. but in this case, when there seems to be a lot of dogs are becoming ill around the same time, we need to rule out whether or not there is something infectious. we are working our way through a long list of differential diagnosis, we have started with the most common and most obvious causes of these kind of symptoms. so far, we haven't been able to find the cause. your agency has investigative responsibility for this, what are your concerns around the spread of it? we started with an increase in numbers of animals getting sick in the oslo area. after that, we have seen sporadic reports of the same
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symptoms around almost the whole country. but in our animal health regulation, we have a list of conditions that for example, an unusual distribution or occurrence of disease, which makes it not a viable disease, foot and mouth disease and so forth. —— viral disease. this triggers a response from us to try to find out about these things. that is why the team didn't catch up because we got that message about the normal distribution and occurrence on the 4th of september, i think. just before you go, time to bring your comments following on from sexual to bs. anonymous text said my partner
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used to abuse me and then call the police and have me arrested. jeannie on twitter says, listening to a heartbreaking segment on victoria live about domestic abuse on it is ha rd live about domestic abuse on it is hard for victims to see what is happening from within. we need the community to spot the signs and report it. we need to educate people on the signs and symptoms. bbc newsroom live is coming up next, thank you for your company today, have a lovely day. goodbye.
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still quite a blustery day across the far north with some sunshine it has to be said. elsewhere what a glorious day in prospect. one or two showers for the north of northern ireland. a fresh feel despite the absence of the wind across many parts of the british isles. as the sun sets, you will feel it decidedly autumnal because those guys are likely to stay clear across many parts of the british isles and the temperatures will tumble as a consequence to single figures in many areas. a blanket of cloud will eventually, through the day on saturday produce a combination of very wet and very windy weather. initially across the north and west of scotla nd initially across the north and west of scotland but eventually at the end of the day, much of scotland and northern ireland will have seen the rain but further south, a glorious start to the weekend for england and wales. it becomes cloudy on sunday.
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