this is bbc news. the headlines: borisjohnson meeting this is bbc news. the headlines: boris johnson meeting eu this is bbc news. the headlines: borisjohnson meeting eu leaders, but they say the still not seen any concrete proposals. the prime minister warns europe wants to move on from brexit. i think they have had a belly full of all this stuff. they want to develop a new relationship with the uk. they're fed up with these endless delays. they have delayed twice before, to achieve what? protesters force boris johnson to pull out of a press conference with the prime minister of luxembourg, who attacked the uk for failing of luxembourg, who attacked the uk forfailing to agree of luxembourg, who attacked the uk for failing to agree a brexit plan. it is not under my responsibility if they're not able to find a united

kingdom back in london and in the house of commons and in a majority. these are home made problems. america says new evidence proves iran was behind the attacks which wiped out nearly half of saudi's oil production. two former british army soldiers win a racial discrimination case against the ministry of defence. the uk's former chief scientists said recent extreme weather is scary. and stop feeding the trolls — celebrities line up to ignore and block online abuse. good evening. in another day of

political drama, boris johnson good evening. in another day of political drama, borisjohnson has held his first talks as prime minister with the president of the european commission, jean—claude juncker. after, mrjohnson told the bbc he was confident a deal could be done, that the eu had had a bellyful of brexit and they were fed up with the endless delays. earlier jean—claude juncker said it was the endless delays. earlier jean—claudejuncker said it was the uk's responsibility to come forward with legally operational solutions to the deadlock. but that such proposals hadn't yet been made. the prime minister of luxembourg said the brexit process had turned into a nightmare after talks with boris johnson. protesters meant mrjohnson decided not to attend a press conference. the luxembourg prime minister appeared alone and warned the clock is ticking, so stop speaking and act. he added his country would not accept any responsibility if the uk could not

find a solution for what he described as home made problems. our political correspondent laura keunssberg looks back at the day. on the the way but to what? air miles can't be exchanged for a deal with the eu. as borisjohnson heads off to see one of europe's deal—makers. i want to stress, laura, you shouldn't be getting your hopes up today. today is not going to be a break through day. so prepare for a risky departure — not getting a deal is farfrom a million risky departure — not getting a deal is far from a million to one these days. it is september and you moved into no 10 in july days. it is september and you moved into no 10 injuly and it is only now you are going to seejean—claude juncker. you could have done it weeks ago. we have had many conversations with our friends and partners and they have moved a long way since august. having been accused of hardly trying, the prime minister is visibly now making an effort for a deal. but racing

through luxembourg does not mean we're speeding to an agreement. we think that there are, we can satisfy the european commission and our friends on the key points, can we protect the single market, can we ensure there is no checks at the border in northern ireland. i think a deal is there to be done. and of the kind that i described. but clearly if we can't get movement, from them on that crucial issue, of whether the eu can continue to control the uk, we won't be able to get that through the house of commons. no way. what you're saying is articulating the problem that has been articulated forever. can you see a solution when in some areas northern ireland would follow eu rules and the rest of the uk would not? what we want to see is a solution where the decision is taken by the uk. what is the actual

solution you're proposing, is it giving more power to stormont. these are some of the ideas that are being talked about. this is all doable. it is all doable with energy and good will. there is a germ of an idea there. just the germ? well there are, there is a lot of thinking going on. however, many hands he can shake before we are due to leave, the two sides have tangled for months over practical problems. we are cautious. cautious. cautiously optimistic. the two sides at home are ina optimistic. the two sides at home are in a new contradiction. we have been working hard and we have had a good exchange. has there been a total break through? i couldn't say so. total break through? i couldn't say so. am i more optimistic than i was this morning? i would say a little bit. but not much. mps have changed the law to try to stop you taking the law to try to stop you taking the uk out without a deal, how do

you propose to get around that. you say you have no intention of delaying. look, i will up say you have no intention of delaying. look, iwill up hold say you have no intention of delaying. look, i will up hold the constitution and obey the law, but we will come out. but how? we are going to come out on october 31st. but how? it is vital that people understand that the uk will not extend. we won't go on remaining in the eu beyond october 31st. what on earths is the point? that means your looking for a way around the law? you know, those are your words, what we are going to do is come on october 31st, deal or no deal, staying beyond october 31st is com pletely staying beyond october 31st is completely crackers. do you really think that you want to be the kind of prime minister that is looking of ways of sneaking around the law to keep to your political promise? everybody knows how strongly you feel. these are all your words. well, how will you do it. will you challenge it in court? our first

priority, if i may say so, to look on the bright side for a second, is to come out with a deal. and actually that is what our friends and partners in the — you would like too. and i think they have had a bellyful of this stuff. they have. if this was anything to go by. no 10 wa nted if this was anything to go by. no 10 wanted to take questions from reporters inside, because of a small group of proeu protesters making a big noise. for the luxembourg leader, he went out any way. angry about the situation, but savouring the moment. now it's on mrjohnson. he holds the future of all uk citizens and every eu citizens in the uk. it does seem since you have beenin the uk. it does seem since you have been in office, some of things you have done, you believe the rules don't apply to you? really? i

humibly disagree, if you talk about having a queen's speech, that was the right thing to do. by the way all this mumbo jumbo about the right thing to do. by the way all this mumbojumbo about how pa rent all this mumbojumbo about how parent is deprived, what a load of claptrap. parent is deprived, what a load of cla ptrap. parliament has parent is deprived, what a load of claptrap. parliament has lost about four or five days. i claptrap. parliament has lost about four orfive days. i think claptrap. parliament has lost about four or five days. i think actually what the people of our country want isa what the people of our country want is a little less of this sort of gloom. one of the people who is gloomy about what happened is david cameron. he said the leave campaign you led lied. he said you behaved appallingly. i have the highest affection and regard for him. we worked for many years and he has a legacy turning the economy around he can be proud of. that is my view on dave and what he has got to say. he has been pretty brutal about you. well really? another tory prime

minister whose face will be decided by our relationship with the eu. the volume is going up as the clock ticks down. our political editor reporting. our correspondent sent this update from luxembourg. this is the official office of the prime minister of luxembourg. outside there through that gate, less than 100 anti—brexit protesters, but with their chants, banners and music and loud hailers, they sounded like a lot more. over here, were two podiums. one for the luxembourg prime minister and one for his guest, borisjohnson, prime minister and one for his guest, boris johnson, including prime minister and one for his guest, borisjohnson, including the luxembourg flag and the british flag. as soon as we got here, it was obvious that was not going to happen, because of that. behind the scenes the british and luxembourg delegations were grappling to try

and avoid a diplomatic incident. move the whole events inside to a room that was not big enough for all the journalists. hope room that was not big enough for all thejournalists. hope the protesters would be quiet for a bit. or silence the host to save the blushes of the guest. in the end, borisjohnson left, recorded a short interview at the home of the british ambassador. the luxembourg prime minister launched a speech about brexit, venting a lot of frustrations that many in the eu having feeling about the process. that was our correspondent in luxembourg. i will bejoined later by correspondent in luxembourg. i will be joined later by the brexit columnist from the daily telegraph to look at the day's developments. the liberal democrat rss holding their annual party conference in

bournemouth. yesterday delegates voted to revoke brexit. their leader explained the policy. we have been for three and a half years arguing that when the details of final brexit proposition were available that that should be put to the public for the final say in a people's vote. and we still think thatis people's vote. and we still think that is the best way to resolve this brexit issue and we will continue to argue for that in parliament. but if we don't manage to secure that and we don't manage to secure that and we finds ourselves in a general election. that might be the last opportunity that the public have to make their voice heard on brexit and asa make their voice heard on brexit and as a party that whole heartedly believes that our best future is within the eu, we need to give the british public the chance to vote for that by saying if you elect a liberal democrat majority government, we will stop brexit by revoking article 50. isn't it though

divisive in a way, there are people, including former mps of your party, who say that will alienate people, who say that will alienate people, who do understand maybe there needs to be another referendum, but the idea ofjust to be another referendum, but the idea of just blocking to be another referendum, but the idea ofjust blocking it is just not going to appeal to people? idea ofjust blocking it is just not going to appealto people? i'm proud that my party has genuine and constructive debate and it was overwhelmingly passed as our policy at this conference. i think that it is about being straight forward and honest. i totally accept that lots of people won't agree with it. but i do think you have to stand up for what you think is right. and giving people that choice is important. even the people who disagree with us on this, i think do recognise that we are being very clear about where we are being very clear about where we stand, rather than the fudge that you get from the labour party. that was the liberal democrat leader, jo swinson. a teenager has appeared in

court and admitted murdering a lawyer in newcastle. peter duncan was stabbed with a screw drive last month. the 17—year—old, who can't be named because of his age will be sentenced in december. a 22—year—old man accused of killing his baby son has been told he will stand trial in march. the child died of wednesday after being pulled out of a river in manchester. two former paratroopers have won their case for racial harassment against the british army. to the two said they have been harassed for years. the judge said graffiti in the barracks was related to race. our correspondent gave his assessment of the damage done to the army by this case. i think it is

damaging, the army presents itself as inclusive and wants to attract black and asian recruits. they make ui’p black and asian recruits. they make urpjust 7% of black and asian recruits. they make urp just 7% of the armed forces at the moment. the tribunal result does reject some of the allegations that we re reject some of the allegations that were made. but it does find that they were the victims, they were targeted with racist graffiti in their barracks in colchester and more should have been done by the army to prevent that. the response from the mod, they say they take all allegations of racism extremely seriously. that said, an internal review inside the mod earlier this year found there were a disproportionate complaints from ethnic minority and within the armed forces. as a result the mod now says they have improved the complaints procedure and they are improving diversity training. this suggests it is not an isolated incident. the two

soldiers are now seeking compensation. now thehead lines. borisjohnson pulls out compensation. now thehead lines. boris johnson pulls out after a joint statement with the prime minister of luxembourg after crowds booed him. nato says it is concerned that tensions in the gulf will escalate after drone and missile strikes on oil facilities in saudi arabia at the weekend. two former british early soldier have won a racial discrimination case against the ministry of defence. now the too sport. west ham could break into the top three in the premier league if they beat aston villa tonight. it is about 15 or 10 minutes old and no

goals so far. west ham having a good start to the season. villa have won just one game. there has been no goals in the night's only l match. arsenal against manchester united. arsenal against manchester united. arsenal have had the best chance. david de gea has signed a new contract at manchester united. he was in the last season of his contract. he has laid more than 360 times for united. de gea had been linked with a return to spain, but he will be at old trafford until 2023. sheffield united co—owners has been forced to sell his 50% stake in the club after a high court ruling.

he was in dispute with the co—owner, but thejudgment he was in dispute with the co—owner, but the judgment found the former chairman would have to sell his share for £5 million. he said it may not be the end of the matter. my pure focus is to get it right for the club. that may looking to lodge an appeal against the judgment that has been released today. it may be contemplating what is best for the clu b contemplating what is best for the club that is demonstrated by prince abdullah and prince abdullah. frank lampard said he is excited about leading chelsea in the champions

league for the first time. he said watching from the dugout as manager will also be special. it is the ultimate in club football for me, in terms of competitive club football and there is something about nights at stam form bridge and the champions league music and this memories i have and i want to experience on this side of the fence. so i will be proud to take the team out, but very aware what matters is results and starting the group well against tough opposition. but i am excited. liverpool trained today before heading to italy, where they start the defence of their title tomorrow against napoli. divock origi did not travel. robbie henshaw is out of ireland's world cup opener against scotland. he felt tightness in his thigh after a training session and went for a scan

yesterday. ireland in into the world cup as the words top ranked side and they're cup as the words top ranked side and they‘ re hopeful cup as the words top ranked side and they're hopeful henshaw will be able to play a part in the tournament. i think it is reasonably positive in terms of what we saw. some of the guys, day—by—day, week—by—week, things can improve than with the average human. we will ta ke than with the average human. we will take it like that at the moment. david den denton has retired at the age of 29 because of concussion after a head injury sured 11 months. he was capped 42 times by his country and played at the last world cup. that is all your sport for now. you can follow the football on the web—site. and much more. and you can follow is on the app. thank you. the

weapons used in the attacks at the weekend on saudi arabia's major oil facilities were made in iran a saudi spokesman said. saudi said an investigation into the incident is still going on. but iran has denied any involvement. saudi arabia is the world's biggest oil exporter and two sites were hit — a processing site and an oil field. sites were hit — a processing site and an oilfield. it shut sites were hit — a processing site and an oil field. it shut down 5% of global supplies and caused a spike in oil prices. james landale reports. the attacks struck at the heart of saudi arabia's life blood, knocking out half of the country's oil production. us officials said

satellite images showed a complex assault involving 17 missiles and unmanned aircraft, originating from the north—west, perhaps from pro—iranian militias in iraq. today iran's president was visiting turkey. his spokesman denied responsibility, accusing the us of maximum deceit. but according to saudi commanders, the origin of the weapons was clear. translation: initial findings weapons was clear. translation: initialfindings indicate weapons was clear. translation: initial findings indicate the weapons were iranian. we will continue our investigations, but our findings suggest this attack was not launched from yemen by houthi militias. it is now clear how the saudis and the us will respond. president trump said the us was locked and loaded to help his ally ta ke locked and loaded to help his ally take on iran. this behaviour is unacceptable. it is unacceptable and

they must be held responsible. make no mistake about it, this was a deliberate attack on the global economy. tensions in the gulf have been growing for years. largely between iran and saudi arabia. they're fighting what is seen as a proxy war in yemen where a saudi—led coalition is battling pro—iranian houthi rebels. there have been strikes inside saudi territory before. but remember, iran itself has been blamed for attacks in the region. earlier in the summer, it was accused of attacking oil tankers and injune it shot down an unmanned us aircraft. iran, because it has become under pressure and renewed sanctions by the united states rngs has tried to push back and has tried to push back by making it more complicated for other exporters of oil in the region. that could have

an impact on the forecourt. today at one point, oil prices rose nearly 20%, before falling back. the biggest rise since the early nineties. let's get more on that reaction from the united states and speak to our correspondent in washington, gary o'donoghue, the us has released this data suggesting the attacks came from iran, what does it want from this situation? well i suspect it wants to find out the truth and i suspect they will be using all the intelligence tools at their disposal to find that out. i know there has been a briefing at the white house and the president has been briefed by the secretary of defence and the secretary of state and others. the president is about to leave on a trip out to new mexico and he often speaks on the way out to his helicopter. he will be asked

about it. and the secretary of defence has tweeted, saying that iran is trying to undermine the international order. so i think there is a clear view in the administration that they believe iran is behind this. whether or not iran's specifically fired the missiles or launched the drones, is not clear yet. but you saw the photographs that they released and the americans have been drawing the conclusion that because of the direction of damage on those facilities there, they believe that iran is the most likely place they came from. the the situation in the region already tension, relations between the united states and iran very tense, what do you think the administration's strategy here is likely to be? bear in mind the president has already in recent times order strikes on iran that he call off within ten minutes of them

taking place, because he asked about the loss of civilian life. he is prepared to go down that road. that was in relation to the iranians shooting down an american drone they said had strained into iranian air space. that was a direct challenge to an american asset. but the saudis are america's, one of their closest allies in the region and they will not take kindly to this kind of attack and the threat to the the oil markets and the international economy that it represents, even though america's in a healthy position when it comes to producing its own oil now. but they will want to send a strong message back to iran if they conclude iran is responsible and that could take a number of forms — more sanctions, although they have sanctioned everything out of iran as things stand already. it could be some kind of military action, all those things

are on the table. you remember the president said yesterday, we are locked and loaded. thank you very much. now celebrities should ignore and block online trolls, so their abusive views are not spread to others. that is according to a new anti—hate group, which wants to find practical solutions. it is said trolls wa nt practical solutions. it is said trolls want to tar get stars and influencers. a number of celebrities, including the presenter gary lineker and the the count down presenter rachel riley are backing the new guide. one of the authors of report spoke to the bbc and

explained why she thinks it is the best way to deal with trolls. explained why she thinks it is the best way to deal with trollsm works, because what we found is to a large exte nt works, because what we found is to a large extent the people who are most likely troll don't troll to start a conversation or engage in any discurse. they troll to cause discourt. when you engage with them, you're doing two things. you're validating that it is working and that continues the behaviour. more than that it amplifies the behaviour. this is the issue we have been seen with politicians and people with a big audience. the natural reaction is look at what this person is doing and that serves to hand over a megaphone to the trolls. which makes it worse. i'm joined by a blogger and influencer who has experienced online trolls. shejoins me now. how do you deal

with them? i tend to mute them. if you block them it almost fuels them more. they then have a reaction from you. does it depend on which platform you're on? i think it absolutely depends on which platform. on instagram you can do a straight block. on twitter it says you have been blocked by this user. which gives them some kind of kick. if you have blocked them, they can't actually get to you, can they? or can they by setting up another account. that is the problem, i think there must be a way for the government to do something, maybe make people use their passport, because they continue until they have made 10 or 20 accounts. they don't care if they block you. they will come at you with a new account. what do you think of what has been said today about depriving trolls of attention, you take away that

reaction they're trying to get from you and you neutralise them that way? yeah, i think to agree, i do think silence is golden and if you click the mute button and ignore them, hopefully they should fizz out. but sadly some continue. but the problem is with them, i have to remind myself to ignore them. that ta kes a remind myself to ignore them. that takes a lot of self—control. remind myself to ignore them. that takes a lot of self-control. it does, because i want to reply and say i hope you get the help you need and i'm sorry you feel that way, but it is better not to start them. do you think that women are more victim to online trolling? from what i have seen to online trolling? from what i have seen i do see to online trolling? from what i have seen i do see women to online trolling? from what i have seen i do see women getting it so badly. it is relentless. every day i see it on people's instagram and twitter. i have no idea. it isjust horrible really. does the, do the

attacks come from men or not necessarily? sometimes it is men. the majority of my trolls tend to be other women sadly, but it with can be women. it depends on the day. and if you get attacked, does that put you off social media, do you fake a break and come —— take a break and come back or carry on? it definitely made me think i want to stop this altogether but then they went. these are growing ao—year—old women who should really know better, and, actually, by me quitting myjob, that means that they win, so i would not stop what i'm doing just because of a few people. i have to remind myself there are tens of thousands of people who really enjoy what i do, just for the small percentage who don't, shouldn't let them quit.

just for the small percentage who don't, shouldn't let them quitm is the negative ones you remember. sadly, that is why you need to mute them out and remember it is then with the problem and not me, i guess. just before we go, what is your advice to anyone who is experiencing trolling? the first point of call is blocked, definitely block on instagram. you can also mute, youtube is great on twitter, then the comment goes into thin air if you don't want people to know you have seen it. if someone is continually making your account, screenshot it and get it in a folder in case you need to go to the police. and just finally do you think the fact that celebrities have now come out and lent their name to this advice, does that help? sadly, ijust think it this advice, does that help? sadly, i just think it will fuel the troll is more. i think the more we talk about it, the more trawlers say, i am not trolling you, you just want

attention, they don't understand they aren't the problem. it's very weird, it's really sad. ok, we are going to have to leave it there, very nice to talk to you, thank you. now it is time for a look at the weather. i think it is louise lear. a predominantly dry, autumnal week of weather ahead, but first thing in the morning we could see a little bit of early morning mist and fog and a brisk north—westerly wind driving down through the north sea will keep those temperatures on the cool side. highest values with some dry sunny spells, highs of 68 fahrenheit. high pressure is firmly in control as we go through the week, keeping things relatively quiet, toppling across that high is this week whether front so that by wednesday we could see —— weak weather front. lighter winds here and the rain very hit and miss and elsewhere dry, settled in sunny, so again there's temperatures are likely to peak at highs of 20

degrees, that's 68 fahrenheit. as we move towards the end of the working week, the winds are going to have certainly change direction and that will bring a little bit more warmth into the south—east on friday, that's due to spread its way north for the start of the weekend. hello, this is bbc news with me, reeta chakra barti. hello, this is bbc news with me, reeta chakrabarti. the headlines. the prime minister has met the eu commission president for talks on brexit. he told the bbc everyone is fed up and wants to get a deal.|j think that they have had a belly full of all this stuff, you know? they want to develop a new relationship with the uk, they are fed up with these endless negotiations, endless delays. they have now delayed twice before to achieve what? earlier, after being booed by protesters, borisjohnson decided not to take part in a joint statement with the prime minister of luxembourg, who went on to express

his clear frustration with progress on brexit. don't put the blame on us because now they don't know how to get out of this... situation. they put themselves in. nato says its extremely concerned that tensions in the gulf will escalate, following drone and missile strikes on oil facilities in saudi arabia at the weekend. two former british army soldiers have won a racial discrimination case against the ministry of defence. also coming up, the uk's former chief scientist says recent extreme weather events are scary and the government should advance its climate targets by ten yea rs. more now on our top story this evening, and following a day or brexit talks in luxembourg, the prime minister has told the bbc he thinks the eu has had a bellyful of the brexit process and would like the brexit process and would like the uk government to get a deal.

borisjohnson the uk government to get a deal. boris johnson began the uk government to get a deal. borisjohnson began the day with a meeting with the european commission presidentjean—claude juncker, closely followed by talks with the prime minister of luxembourg, xavier bettel. but a noisy protest outside the building led borisjohnson not to ta ke the building led borisjohnson not to take part in the news conference outside, so instead, stood beside an empty podium, the luxembourg prime minister launched a scathing attack on the uk's brexit policies and the state of britain's relationship with the eu. the fact is some people would love to give the blame to another, and not being responsible for the situation. again, one party, the conservative party, decided to organise that referendum, first. a clear information campaign, from my point of view, was not organised in the uk, with all the risks of a referendum and of a brexit. the third thing is now people tried to blame the others, because we cannot find an agreement. we did not decide

to organise the brexit. it is a unilateral decision of the uk government. we have to accept the result, but it is not now in a unilateral way that the uk government will decide what would be the next relations with the eu. we sit around the table, we have a mutual agreement, and this withdrawal agreement has been accepted by the uk government. i just want to repeat and to remind that theresa may accepted the withdrawal agreement, so don't make it like the european union would be the bad guy not accepting decisions that the uk proposes. they accepted them and it is not under my responsibility if they are not able to find a united kingdom back in london and the house of commons and a majority. these are home—made problems and we have now all to deal with those home—made problems, which makes all ourselves in a more general problem. sol makes all ourselves in a more general problem. so i won't accept at any time to be responsible as a european leader common neither the

commission or the 27 other countries for i am sorry the mess we are in for i am sorry the mess we are in for the moment. thank you. applause cheering that was the prime minister of luxembourg. a little later in an interview with the bbc‘s political editor laura kuenssberg, the prime minister borisjohnson said that europe was fed up with endless delays, and that he was still committed to taking the uk out of the eu on october 31, with or without a deal. what we going to do is come out on october 31, deal or no deal, and staying in beyond october 31 is completely crackers, and, actually, that is what our friends and partners in the eu would like too. and i think they've had a bellyful of all this stuff, you know? they want to develop a new relationship with the uk. they are fed up with these endless negotiations, endless delays. they've now delayed twice before, to achieve what is completely unclear. well, joining me to have a closer look at today's development, asa

bennett, the brexit commissioning editor of the daily telegraph and joanne naylor, political commentator, author and also former conservative party councillor. thank you for coming in. quite a day. shall we look at the theatre of it first before we actually look at the politics? quite a lot of theatre, the luxembourg president with the empty podium, was that fair, was that not fair? killie it was an results of cloth should tortured wranglings at this afternoon when the uk team had noticed there was a rather sort of boorish mob outside of protesters making all sorts of noise, so perhaps it may not be wise to have a press conference out there where everyone is basically able to be heckled and it being rather disruptive. then as the luxembourg tea m disruptive. then as the luxembourg team pointed out, all these journalists have been invited to the room, and you can't cram them into a small room because you would have to do is invite people and then there would be command and control issues,

how do you divide them and all that? so then obviously clearly the uk try to walk away from the table, and then they walked away successfully, left the luxembourg is to it. but i suppose all in all, just having back, the senior players, the clip you played, ithink back, the senior players, the clip you played, i think will vindicate the uk reason for not being involved, because it wasn't so much a press co nfe re nce involved, because it wasn't so much a press conference as a sort of rally for remain, because every time xavier berto was speaking, the supporters were cheering and whooping, you could hear them in their scents, and then borisjohnson was putting his priest out to his double your correspondent, —— putting his piece out to your correspondent laura kuenssberg. it doesn't move things on. it is interesting that we use the word theatre because there was a sense that this was a stage that had been set to play out exactly as it did today. and the sort of depressing thing about it is, however you voted

in the referendum, the sort of shenanigans we have seen todayjust show how polarised this issue is, because the prime minister of luxembourg can claim that he has had something of a success today. he has obviously stirred his own supporters, and equally boris johnson i think and say he was right to walk away, that this was a situation from which he was not going to emerge well if he had taken part. but the overall sum of all of thatis part. but the overall sum of all of that is that we are not very much further forward. what i thought was striking was the prime minister of luxembourg seemed so genuinely frustrated and angry. quite. it may have been theatre, but so often eu state m e nts have been theatre, but so often eu statements are sanitised, aren't they? that's right, that is why i think i would hesitate to say it is a complete windfall boris johnson because the prime minister of luxembourg expressed himself in unusually diplomatic sort of terms,

but what you take away from that is there are some truths in that. they feel they have made a lot of compromises, that they have tried really ha rd compromises, that they have tried really hard to get a deal and they are now being held up by the uk. that said, i think what was significant, in terms of substance, was his very firm assurance that he would not be in favour of any kind of further extension on the brexit timetable. it was bizarre, though, actually, because i think you are just trotting out the eu line very mellifluous blue, very fluently but it just seem to mellifluous blue, very fluently but itjust seem to be very melodramatic, because then you could see him reading off notes, he had clearly planned this, it wasn't off—the—cuff, you could imagine really having an axe to grind and if borisjohnson had really having an axe to grind and if boris johnson had been really having an axe to grind and if borisjohnson had been there, he would have had to have sat there, grinning away on the podium while having this man really going at him, most un—diplomatically, in a sense. so yes, ok, he was playing to the

remain audience and they loved it. no matter how incorrect the arguments were, but theresa may accepted the deal, really, ok, but there is a different prime minister in that sense, and you can imagine in why they were happy to drop these things out, why xavier betty old didn't say i really want to engage in the detail, because he had no reason to, because the eu's believe is they can just wait for the judges this week to tie the government's hands on prorogation, to cancel the prorogation. they can hope that mps will tie the government was make plans even more, will force the prime minister to the brink of resignation to avoid requesting a delay in the middle of october, so they have no reason to engage in their minds because they think mps and judges will bring the government to heal. and i think that's why the british government are being quite careful in what they do reveal, in terms of their hand. we are hearing a lot of criticism that they haven't come up with any new proposals, both from people on the continent but also their critics over here, and of course their response to that, which

seems to be quite credible, is that we can't reveal too much at this point for the reasons asa has pointed out. but what is difficult about that is if they are negotiating with the other side they must be revealing a little bit of what their position is, so i net make it public to the british public? i think the reason they are not is because they do see it as still being part of not secret, but a private negotiation, at this stage. but there is also the possibility that there aren't too many hands left to play. i mean, we are talking about, even by the government's own description, a very narrow, i think it was the landing site they have identified. it is highly technical. it is also highly controversial. and they still haven't quite reached agreement over what to do about checks on the irish border. isn't the single biggest problem the parliamentary arithmetic, and borisjohnson

clearly identify the other wiki didn't have the numbers to get pretty much anything past the house of commons, then parliament denied him that and remainers are sitting back thinking they have passed this law now, the benn act, which means my october 19 unless they magically turn round and pass a deal or pass a no deal, imagine, then they would have the prime minister forced legally to write and request a delay. i have him in their view right where they want him, and so that really is why the prime minister doesn't... that really is why the prime minister doesn't. .. only if no deal isa minister doesn't. .. only if no deal is a prospect. not if there is a deal. but in their mind they think it has been taken off the table. this is why the pm has wanted to try and geta this is why the pm has wanted to try and get a majority but they are not giving him the chance to pursue that. he has said he wants to try to get a deal, i wonder if we canjust think about the interview he did with laura kuenssberg, in which she was talking about we will leave on october 31, but he remains optimistic we will get a deal. and for many people do seems like a circle that can't be squared. why

should we be getting a deal when there are no details as to quite how? well, i don't think we necessarily need to know all the details, as long as we can be assured those details are being discussed in private. but the other side say they are not. they say they are not at the british government say they are leading them towards some of these details, but i think thatis some of these details, but i think that is everyone's right to be sceptical about how much is actually being discussed. that seems to me to being discussed. that seems to me to bea being discussed. that seems to me to be a reasonable approach to what is happening here. but that is not to say that it still can't be achieved. i think that takes us back to this narrow landing point. but when you hear the prime minister today, asa, saying we really have to go at it now and go at it fast, i mean, we are only weeks away from october 31, why has this not been happening for the previous 30 days? well, obviously he maintains an enthusiasm

thatis obviously he maintains an enthusiasm that is very typical for boris johnson. but it can't be done on well alone, can it? this is why it comes down to the parliamentary numbers. from the eu's mindset, they have no reason to do serious business because for all they know they have seen the prime minister failed to get anything through this parliament so why bother cutting him a better deal if you might get that cut out by his own side? so it is a westminster derived impasse. and the prime minister does have to keep saying he has no intention of asking foran saying he has no intention of asking for an extension, he saying he has no intention of asking foran extension, he has saying he has no intention of asking for an extension, he has to keep saying that, even though some of us are looking on and wondering, well, as you have identified, the room for manoeuvre is actually very tight. it may be slightly relaxed tomorrow, one hopes, depending on the judgment from the high court,... it will take a few days to emerge, because they are hearing evidence from evenjohn major i think on thursday, but either way, the only way he can get a deal without radical rewriting is an restructurings and proving to the eu that they can get numbers from

parliament on it is basically dusting off theresa may's oh deal, trying to sell it with a smile. and thatis trying to sell it with a smile. and that is the irony of all of this, that is the irony of all of this, that many people voting for boris johnson from the right because they felt that he would do something specifically quite different. others in the conservative party i think voted for him in the hope that he would be able to do a deal with the right of a conservative party, and that seems to be really the only likely outcome now, if we're going to go for a deal. that he can carry it through because he is seen as a true believer? quite, yeah. can i ask you both about david cameron's comments about him, talking in very derogatory terms, effectively saying that he lied during the referendum campaign. we saw the prime minister there not deigning to answer, just brushing it off. does that hurt him, do you think? do the allegations against him hurt him?|j do you think? do the allegations against him hurt him? i think david cameron can be dismissed as being a sore loser and remains as such.

really? the former prime minister wasn't really engaging with the remaining tactics, did they really misjudge it in a sense? it isjust, oh, the leaders went playing fair, not playing by the queensbury rules, whereas boris johnson not playing by the queensbury rules, whereas borisjohnson would argue as soon as whereas borisjohnson would argue as soon as david cameron decided to pick a side, the in side, then the clu bs ha d pick a side, the in side, then the clubs had to come. i think obviously, as prime minister, one would prefer your predecessors not to brand you a liar, but i think you have to read that criticism through the context of david cameron having been on the losing side of the referendum, and largely i think because he didn't really, his book seems to reveal that he didn't really properly assess what the feeling was in the country, what the feeling was in the country, what the feeling was in the country, what the feeling was within his own party. he had very high expectations of personal loyalty, which he seems to put against people making perhaps

principled stand, in favour of putting country before their party. the criticism is often that people are putting their party before their country, but i think people were faced with very difficult dilemmas, if they sat in cabinet with david cameron. in some of them chose to ta ke cameron. in some of them chose to take having a principled stand, it wasn't his stand, and this has been the outcome —— and some of them. just one point on that, david cameron is quite specific about the lies he says borisjohnson told, for example the £350 million a week from the nhs, the idea that turkey might join the eu, these are quite specific accusations. may they are, andi specific accusations. may they are, and i think it actually ill behoves david cameron to put it in those terms. he seems to me to have been picking up absolutely on the narrative that has come out of the extreme remain end of this discussion. i think to use the word lie about things that quite frankly are probably exaggerations, may be inaccurate, may be a loose use of

figures but nonetheless pointed to a think a truth that a lot of people understood, and it's also highly patronising, it suggests that the people to whom boris johnson, michael gove etc were addressing themselvesjust michael gove etc were addressing themselves just weren't intelligent enough to kind of see that the station for themselves. and it is only relevant if the former prime minister is trying to build a case for rewriting the referendum, which intriguingly he doesn't seem to rule out. ok, we have to leave it there, very good to speak to you both. time for a look at the headline is now on bbc news. boris johnson for a look at the headline is now on bbc news. borisjohnson decides not to ta ke bbc news. borisjohnson decides not to take part in a joint statement with the prime minister of luxembourg due to noisy protest nearby. he later told the bbc that following today's talks on brexit, the eu has had a bellyful of the process. nato says it is extremely concerned that tensions in the gulf will escalate, following drone and missile strikes on oil facilities in

saudi arabia at the weekend. two former british army soldiers have won a racial discrimination case against the ministry of defence. and an update on the market numbers for you. here's how london and's frankfurt ended the day, and in the united states this is how the dow jones and the nasdaq are getting on. now, the uk's former chief scientist professor sir david king has said he is scared by the pace of climate change. in an interview with the bbc, he has warned that extreme weather events, such as the melting of ice, hurricanes and wildfires are happening sooner than expected. he has called for the uk to advance its climate targets by ten years. roger harrabin reports. wildfires are burning across indonesia, there smoke chucking people in cities, forests are a flame in brazil too, and also in

australia, way ahead of the usual wildfire season. professor king says we can't prove a link yet with human driven climate change, but it would be foolish to assume that these events were not linked. he points to the massive ice melt in the arctic as further evidence of an overheating planet. the ice loss is right at the top of the forecast range. we are seeing extreme weather events just rolling out, range. we are seeing extreme weather eventsjust rolling out, year range. we are seeing extreme weather events just rolling out, year after year, with massive loss of life. rising sea levels, rising temperatures, changes in the weather patterns, impacting on farmers and everybody. is this a scary scenario? 0f everybody. is this a scary scenario? of course it is, and how should we react, as human beings, to this scenario? we have to all pull together and understand the challenges, and act to stop it. the summer's heatwaves in france are another instance of freak weather. they broke previous records by an

amount that astonished scientists. then there was hurricane dorian, ambling along at just then there was hurricane dorian, ambling along atjust two miles per hour, instead of the usual ten to 15 mph, and dumping water along the way. was this devastation definitely caused by climate change? that's not proven, but other scientists are also worried. david king is right to be scared. i'm scared too. whether or not it is faster than predicted, it is difficult to say. the activist greta thunberg sailed to new york for a greta thunberg sailed to new york fora un summit, greta thunberg sailed to new york for a un summit, saying greta thunberg sailed to new york fora un summit, saying if greta thunberg sailed to new york for a un summit, saying if people aren't scared, they won't act. but some psychologists say scary language is giving young people eco anxiety. i think the people are picking up the information from social media and from the press and from all the news reports from this summer. from all the news reports from this summer. the children are frightened because they are saying the amazon burning and they are seeing hailstorms in spain, and they are seeing the arctic burning, so they are picking up on that. how to tell stories about the climate that are

strong enough to make people act but calm enough so they don't panic? that's a task. roger harrabin, bbc news. police investigating the grenfell tower fire have interviewed the london fire brigade under caution. the london fire commissioner dany cotton said the brigade had spoken to officers in connection with the health and safety at work act and that the fire service was committed to assisting investigators. the rnli says it has received a sharp increase in online donations, after it was attacked for spending more than £3 million, that's 2%, on projects overseas. one conservative backbencher accused the lifeboat charity of risking its reputation by cutting staff here, while spending money abroad. but the story prompted a backlash on social media, with users describing the as disgusting, and urging people to give in response. a woman from colorado is trying to set a new world record by

swimming fourtimes trying to set a new world record by swimming four times nonstop across the english channel. sarah thomas, seen the english channel. sarah thomas, seen swimming here, who is 37, and had treatment for breast cancer last year, began the 84 mile challenge very early yesterday morning, and she is now on herfourth and very early yesterday morning, and she is now on her fourth and final lap. no one has ever swam a fourth leg before. the marathon swimmer kevin murphy has swum the english channel 34 times, and is acting as an official observerfor channel 34 times, and is acting as an official observer for sarah thomas's swim. he spoke to us from a boatin thomas's swim. he spoke to us from a boat in the english channel following sarah as she swims, and says he has been astonished by what he has seen so far. sarah is astonishing, to be honest. i've never seen astonishing, to be honest. i've never seen the indomitable spirit, human spirit overcoming such adversity. she has now been swimming for well over 40 hours and yet she has hardly slowed down at all. she

has hardly slowed down at all. she has now swung from england to france, back to england, back to france, back to england, back to france, and is now halfway back again on the fourth leg of this incredible swim. the hardest part of the swim is the sheer time and distance that she's covered. as the crow flies, if a crow was able to do back flips and laps, she is now covered somewhere about i would guess 70 miles of swimming, nonstop, and she's got another, what, ten, 14 miles to go. staying awake as much as anything else, since we started this swim in the early hours of sunday morning, it is now, what, evening on monday, and she's going to be swimming until the early hours of tuesday morning, which simply

staying awake, focused, and beating all the demons, all the adversity is absolutely incredible. extraordinary, kevin murphy on sarah thomas. now a time for the look of the weather. we had some contrasting conditions today in comparison to the weekend, hardly a cloud in the sky the parts of england and wales, particularly on sunday, but today it was disappointing, threatening looking skies at times, although there wasn't that much in the way of rain. but there is a fair amount of cloud across england and wales, the odd spot or two of nuisance drizzle as well. the best of the central, northern england, southern scotland, northern ireland, just a few scattered showers across the north west for the great glen and the northern isles, accompanied by a brisk north—westerly breeze will stop those showers will ease as we go across the night, even that frontal system is as and we will see temperatures are widely dipping down into single figures, may be low single figures in more rural areas, so single figures in more rural areas, so they could be some early morning mist and fog first then, that will

thin and break and it stays fairly quiet throughout tuesday. again, still a noticeable breeze into the far north, and running down through the north sea. thatjust may affect the north sea. thatjust may affect the temperatures along that east coast, 13 to 15 degrees, but highest values are likely of 19 or 20. high pressure will continue to drift in from the atlantic. across the top of that high is a weak weather front, that high is a weak weather front, that will bring the risk of sunlight, patchy rain into the far north of scotland, but with lighter winds than of late and the rain very hit and winds than of late and the rain very hitand miss, winds than of late and the rain very hit and miss, perhaps for some a better story. dry and sunny elsewhere, highest values of ten to 20 celsius, that 68 fahrenheit. as we move out of wednesday into thursday, things will quieten down still. that frontal system drifts away, the high pressure dominates the story and there will be fairly widespread isobars, so light winds. early morning mist and fog could be a little bit slow to clear away but it will do so, and again we keep

that dry, settled theme for many of us, with some sunshine coming through, and those temperatures very similarto through, and those temperatures very similar to what we have seen so far this week, highs of ten to 20. but we will start to see a change, as we move towards the weekend. we are going to lose the cooler, blue tones, as the warm russets return because the winds are going to change direction. a south—easterly to start with as we move through the weekend, perhaps more to a southerly, and so conditions will turn warmer, notjust for the south—east, right across the country. we could see temperatures as high as 25 degrees, 77 fahrenheit.

hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. on a trip to luxembourg, borisjohnson is told ‘brexit is a nightmare'. he met eu leaders. all smiles — but afterwards the eu said he hadn't delivered any concrete proposals for a new brexit deal. meanwhile, outside, this was going on. b00|ng. those protestors were close to a planned press conference. borisjohnson declined to take part, the prime minister of luxembourg carried on and made his feelings clear. its not under my responsibility if they're not able to find a united kingdom back in london and in the house of commons in a majority. these are home made problems.