tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News September 19, 2019 10:00am-11:01am BST
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hello, it's thursday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire... good morning. how much is the queen being dragged into politics? david cameron has revealed for the first time that he sought her majesty's help to keep the uk together during the scottish referendum campaign in 2014. i remember conversations i had with my private secretary and he had with the queen ‘s private secretary and i had with the queen private secretary, not asking for anything that would be any way on proper —— improper or unconstitutional, just a raising of the eyebrow, even, you know, a quarter of an inch, we thought, would make a difference. the family of owen carey — the 18 year old who died after eating buttermilk in a byron burger restaurant while
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celebrating his birthday — say they haven't ruled out suing the company. they also tell us how they cope with losing owen i talked to him every day, in my thoughts and out loud. and i have a big lock of his hair which i kiss every morning. and i also have a necklace, it's got some of his hair in there, keep close to me. you can see my full interivew with owen's mum, dad and sister in a few minutes time. and every five minutes, somewhere in the world, a person dies from a snake bite. it's mainly in some of the poorest places on earth like sub saharan africa. translation: i was told my leg would have to be amputated or i would die. i cannot work. ijust sit here at home. and we're going to show you just how toxic snake venom can be by taking some of my blood and mixing it with the poisin from a snake bite. that's in about half an hour.
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the results should be interesting. hello... welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. have you ever been bitten by a snake? maybe when you were on holiday? it's not really something we have to worry about day to day here in the uk, although it can happen, but for millions of people in southern asia and africa, it's a daily reality. do get in touch. first, annita has the news. thank you very much, victoria. good morning, everyone. david cameron has revealed for the first time how he sought the queen's help during the scottish indepenedence referendum of 2014, admitting he asked her to "raise an eyebrow" over the issue. speaking to the bbc, the former prime minister said he approached royal officials amid what he called "mounting panic in downing street"
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that the pro—independence campaign was likely to win. later, when speaking to a well—wisher on the balmoral estate, the queen urged people to "think very carefully about the future". borisjohnson has been told he has less than two weeks to come up with written proposals for a new brexit deal or any chance of an agreement before the october 31st deadline is over. the ultimatum comes from finland's prime minister antti rinne. finland currently holds the presidency of the council of the eu. downing street has responded by saing it would ‘put forward proposals at the appropriate time'. the number of robberies in england and wales is increasing much faster than in other wealthy countries. a new report shows robberies with knives has risen by 45 per cent between march 2014 and march 2018. the report suggests that the increase is partly down to police cuts and the growth in smartphone use. but the home office says it could be caused by police forces making better records of crimes committed.
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more than 2,000 people with learning disabilities and autism are still being held in secure assessment and treatment units — or atus. that's according to the latest figures from nhs digital — published in the last hour. atus were originally supposed to provide short—term care for people considered to be a danger to themselves — but as this programme highlighted in april, many people are now kept in them for years. in 2015, the government promised to cut the numbers being held in atus by 35 per cent by march this year. campaigners say that promise has not been met. and we'll have more on that story later in the programme twenty families are considering taking legal action against the government because their children are being treated as truants — when they are actually missing school due to mental health conditions. thousands of families face fines or prosecution for the absences — but parents say the real reasons for missing school — such as anxiety or depression — are not being taken into account.
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they want parents of children with genuine difficulties to be free from the threat of prosecution. the canadian prime ministerjustin trudeau, is under fire after a photo emerged of him in "brown face" at a fancy dress party in 2001. mr trudeau had dressed up as aladdin for an arbian nights—themed party at an academy in vancouver at which he used to teach. he said he was "deeply sorry", and now recognised that what he'd done was racist. the opposition conservative party said it showed he wasn't fit to lead the country. that is a summary of the main use so far today. victoria, back to you. thank you very much. good morning. owen carey, a young man who suffered from a range of serious food allergies — was celebrating his 18th birthday at a byron restaurant in london in 2017. he told staff at the restaurant that he had allergies before ordering chicken. but, soon after eating, the teenager suffered a devastating allergic reaction and tragically,
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he died within hours. it was later discovered that the chicken he'd eaten was marinaded in buttermilk, to which owen was allergic. owen carey, a coroner ruled that the restaurant's menu misled owen into thinking the burger was safe for him to eat by failing to highlight that the dish contained buttermilk. now, his family are calling for a new law and have told us exclusively this morning they haven't ruled out sueing the burger chain. earlier, i spoke to owen's mum moira, his dad paul and his sister emma. moira began by telling me about her son. he was a very happy boy, always smiling and he had loads of energy. so, whenever he was around, then the whole room sort of lit up. and gave everybody else more energy as well. he was mischievous, so he liked
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doing pranks with his friends and in school. he got away with a lot of things in school, because he smiled! so yes, ebullient, vivacious, very caring for little ones. he absolutely loved emma ‘s three children. three little ones. and also in school, he was in the coding club, so he would teach the little ones how to code. sort of animation, that sort of thing. and i know he told me because he quite often wouldn't feel very well because he was on steroids and it would suppress his immune system, and he said, i really like going into school, even if i'm feeling ill, i'll go into school on the day that coding club is there because i love it so much. and this beautiful
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photograph of owen, paul, which you ta ke to photograph of owen, paul, which you take to places like this because you wa nt take to places like this because you want the country to see your son. why is that important to you? well, we won't forget him of course but we wa nt we won't forget him of course but we want everyone else to know who he was, he was a real person. he still a memberourfamily. so was, he was a real person. he still a member our family. so we want him to be in all these interviews, we wa nt to be in all these interviews, we want him to help us raise awareness of what we intend to do by creating own '5 law, it will be his love. and we want to know that that lot will have a real effect in making sure no one else suffers what he suffered from. emma, how would you describe your brother, your younger brother? he was chaotic and messy and an absolute joy. and although he was my brother, i was 16 when he was born, so brother, i was 16 when he was born,
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so obviously a very big age gap sol didn't have the standard brother sister relationship with him, there was none of the kind of sibling rivalry or anything like that so we had a very sort of close, i had a very nurturing bond with him and when my kids came along, he was just, he was closer in age to my kids than he was to me and our elder brother. so, in many ways he was like a big brother to them and he just grasped that opportunity with both hands and he was fun, he was mentoring them, he was teaching them all about his loves, his music, his gaming. he was just all about his loves, his music, his gaming. he wasjust brilliant. on the day he died, when did you know something was wrong?|j the day he died, when did you know something was wrong? i had been in the garden pressure washing, obviously it's very noisy. all afternoon. and i came in at about 5pm, i think it was. ijust suddenly
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noticed all these messages on the phone. and i thought, what on earth has happened ? phone. and i thought, what on earth has happened? and then, listened to some of them but he didn't say what had happened and so, i phoned emma and asked her and she told me and i just went into shock, i remember shouting out, not my own, not my own. and yes, the world sort of implodes. yes. just couldn't talk, really, very much after that, it was just horrendous and then the adrenaline kicks in as well. so you know, it's hard to sleep and as soon as you are awake, the adrenaline again because you realise the situation. can i ask you how you copein situation. can i ask you how you cope in your head with losing a son?
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i talk to him every day, in my thoughts and out loud. and i have a big lock of his hair which i kiss every morning. and i also, i've got a necklace here and it's got some of his hair in there, keep him close to me. yes. paul, can i ask you the same thing? that's a lock of his hair. he was and i had a significant birthday in kernel, i asked all the young ones to plant a tree, a tree, and said! young ones to plant a tree, a tree, and said i want to plant a pantry and said i want to plant a pantry andl and said i want to plant a pantry and i said you cannot come in the end he agreed on an oak and replanted end he agreed on an oak and repla nted that together and end he agreed on an oak and replanted that together and that is growing in the field behind my house but when he died i bought a pantry and that's planted in my garden, some of his ashes underneath. sol go and talk to the pantry and i will
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go and talk to the pantry and i will go and talk to the pantry and i will go and sit by the oak tree and think of him. and i have his photograph around the house and i talk to him in my mind, out loud. and i carry this, his hair, so he's with me all the time. his death should never have happened, it was preventable, he was in the restaurant two weeks after his 18th but still celebrating his birthday, he had a conversation with a member of staff in the restau ra nt with a member of staff in the restaurant about what he was allergic to, there's nothing on the menu, as we know and we'll come on to that, those are the changes you wa nt to to that, those are the changes you want to see. do you have any idea why the conversation with a member of staff didn't get through to the chef or didn't, which led to him ordering chicken which had a marinade on it which contained buttermilk to which he was allergic? we don't know and i think we'll never know. unless byron can find the server that was there, they say
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they couldn't find the person or the person couldn't recollect what happened. maybe, because we know for sure, and the coroner accepted this, one said i have allergies and that's the key thing which should have triggered barren 's processes. maybe the waiter looked at the menu and thought it was ok to eat this particular dish. it didn't state that it particular dish. it didn't state thatitis particular dish. it didn't state that it is marinated in buttermilk. we don't know, though, that'sjust a theory. the truth is nothing was done and byron 's allergy protocol was not initiated and that was where the problems started. the coroner said owen may service aware of his allergies. how do you feel you've been treated by the company and their chief executive?
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dishonourably, i would say. most companies should have a corporate and social responsibility and i think byron may have forgotten that, it was clear from the way they behaved in the inquest with the barrister and their witness they we re barrister and their witness they were just looking to protect themselves and i don't blame them for that, i guess. themselves and i don't blame them forthat, iguess. but themselves and i don't blame them for that, i guess. but now that the verdict is out you think they might come clean a bit and talk to us but yes, nothing, as faras come clean a bit and talk to us but yes, nothing, as far as i am aware. have they apologised ? yes, nothing, as far as i am aware. have they apologised? we believe there's been a letter sent, we haven't seen it yet, so we don't know if they have apologised. it's one of those things. i think, there's been a distinct lack of empathy and it's like i say to my kids, if you accidentally do something wrong you still apologise
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because it was you that take your eye off the ball. and yes, it's not very good manners, is it? it's interesting that you say a letter has been sent because i know the chief executive of the company had said recently a letter of condolence had not been sent because as the legal process was ongoing, we did not feel it appropriate to reach out to the family directly. we got in touch with byron yesterday afternoon when you we knew we were talking to you today and we said as the letter been sent? have you received this letter, has your solicitor received it? we haven't. i believe our solicitor may have received something last night, we need to speak to them about that and until we have confirmed that and seen the letter i can't really comment any more. ok. is it interesting to you, paul, hours after we contacted them saying where is the letter that a letter has now been sent to your
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solicitor? yes, it's a remarkable coincidence, isn't it? myra, what do you think? well, it bolsters the point of view that they are not very sympathetic with what's happened. what would you say to their chief executive? well ... i what would you say to their chief executive? well i would say to him after hopefully he's apologised, that at the very least, i want him to work with us to promote owen 's law, not to wait for legislation to be put into effect but lead by example. and show the rest of the re sta u ra nt example. and show the rest of the restaurant industry that it's easy to do what we are asking owen 's restaurant industry that it's easy to do what we are asking owen '5 law to do what we are asking owen '5 law to put into effect and he can do that tomorrow. if he is the chief executive, he can get his entire chain to put on the face of the menu, the allergens that are in each
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dish but to make the allergen matrix clearer so that allergy sufferers have full visibility of what's required, he can make sure that the servers positively ask each guest do you suffer from allergies? rather than the onus being on the customer. that was their defence, it was the customer 's responsibility but if you are a young person, may be a bit ashamed, and owen wasn't ashamed of his allergies and some people might be, they might be reluctant to ask so if the server has to ask and get the conversation going, that would be much safer. better training is also what we want to see and last but not least, this may not be something byron can do but we want to see a national register of anaphylactic deaths, and proper recording on the death certificates, that it was anaphylaxis. this is a statement from them, although this was a statement which was part of
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the inquest, although our procedures we re the inquest, although our procedures were in line with all the rules and guidelines and we train our staff to respond to the right way it is a matter of great regret and sadness that our high standards of communicating with our customers are not met during upon ‘s visit. what do you think of that, is that enough? i don't think it's enough, they are still saying, they are not really acknowledging that there was any fault. and i don't want to use the word fault but they are sort of accepting it was a failure to follow procedures rather than the procedures themselves.” follow procedures rather than the procedures themselves. i think maybe something like, you know, from what i understand, since macron died, byron have upped their game and they go above and beyond now what is the current legislation. —— since owen died. they proactively ask if anyone
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has any allergies and statistics have shown in byron since then, the number of people saying they have allergies has tripled. than before. it's already having a very significant effect so what they need to do now would be to kinder proactively again, do what we are suggesting with owen 's proactively again, do what we are suggesting with owen '5 law and make the allergy matrix more comprehensive and more detailed in breakdown of what is in every component of the dish, notjust in the dish as a whole. and also, staff training and making a very obvious statement that they are going to lead the wayjust to try and correct things. why do you think they haven't done that thus far? owen died two years ago. they have improved things a bit, they say their chicken is marinated in buttermilk, they still don't have more thanjust buttermilk, they still don't have more than just the nuts and the
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buttermilk, they still don't have more thanjust the nuts and the b for vegetarian which is misleading. they have made some improvements, pretty much straightaway as soon as they found out. there is still a lot more work to do, i think. out. there is still a lot more work to do, ithink. finally, can i ask, are you going to sue barry? we will ta ke are you going to sue barry? we will take advice from our solicitors, i don't want to say any more than that at the moment, our solicitors have worked very hard for us and done a good job. they have been amazing. r qc, we will take their advice, perhaps we will read the letter first and then take it from there. but it is a consideration, presumably? it's not ruled out, let's put it that way. thank you very much for talking to us this morning, thank you. stewart says we re morning, thank you. stewart says were still in the catering business i would require every customer to signa i would require every customer to sign a declaration they had no known allergies prior to accepting them into the restaurant. it isn't worth the risk any more. the point was,
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stuart, owen had allergies, he knew them, tolerated them, told the member of staff about them but it made no difference. joanne says my heart breaks for this family and friends and i am behind their plans for this law, it nine—year—old is severely allergic to some pharisees which is not one of the 1a most common allergies listed by the food industries. —— sunflower seeds. this summer we were very nearly industries. —— sunflower seeds. this summer we were very nearly caught out, we ordered a toasty, asked not to include the salad because i knew she wouldn't eat it, the toasty arrived with salad, and sunflower seeds on top, my husband can be dealt with the situation but this was a real close call. i believe all ingredients should be listed in food retail outlets. your own experiences welcome, you send it to us via all the usual methods. e—mail, twitter. still to come... gamers who are not
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playing the game — we meet a teenager who's making thousands of pounds selling cheats to computer game players. david cameron has revealed for the first time how he sought the queen's help during the scottish referendum of 2014, admitting he asked her to "raise an eyebrow" over the question of independence. speaking to the bbc in the new two—part series, the former prime minister says he approached the queen fearing he could lose the vote which would see scotland leaving the union. i remember conversations i had with my private secretary and he had with the queen ‘s private secretary and i had with the queen ‘s private secretary, not asking for anything that would be in any way improper or unconstitutional, butjust, that would be in any way improper or unconstitutional, but just, a raising of the eyebrow, even, you know, a quarter of an inch would be we thought, we'd make a difference. the queen later spoke to a well—wisher of her desire for people to think very carefully
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about their future. a church on the balmoral estate — were one of the main talking points of the referendum campaign.well earlier this morning mr cameron defended his actions — speaking tojohn humphrys on radio 4's today programme. the context with this which doesn't quite come out in the programme, alex salmond saying her majesty would be a proud monarch of an independent scotland, this concerned me because obviously my side of the argument couldn't say anything about that. i had conversations with private secretaries and the like but i never asked for anything improper to be said or done. mr cameron also defended his decision to call the brexit referendum, despite the outcome not being what he had hoped. if you are asking me do i accept a big share of the blame for the difficulties we face in our country, doi difficulties we face in our country, do i think about it every day, does it pay me enormously to see our politics frozen and society divided, yes it does and i do take my share
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of responsibility for that, of course. not relieving the country unprepared? i don't think there was a huge amount more that could have been done that setting out the alternatives, recognising then that i wasn't the right person to take the country forward, giving a new prime minister at the chance to choose between those alternatives and take the country forward. no regrets about the referendum?” and take the country forward. no regrets about the referendum? i have huge regrets. no regrets for the motors, the reasons you gave for the referendum because the chief whip at the time, andrew mitchell, said it seemed to him you were pursuing it for party management reasons, at least in part? what i was doing was recognising that we had a growing problem with the european union changing in front of our eyes, our position in it becoming ever more precarious and we needed to deal with this issue and i saw a referendum and a renegotiation as inevitable and i wanted to take the opportunity to try and fix this problem. that was from good motives, look, i accept that my attempt
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failed and some of the decisions that i made contributed to that failure but it was an honest attempt to try and deal with what i saw as one of the great problems in front of us. david cameron. you can see that documentary tonight on bbc one. a woman who invested over £7,000 in a crypto currency scheme and convinced her friends to collectively invest over a quarter of a million, has said she was brainwashed by the company. jen mcadam, from glasgow, invested the money left to her after her dad died — in onecoin. that's a cryptocurrency scheme that turned out to be an international multi—billion pound fraud. and jen wasn't alone, as a new bbc sounds podcast investigating the scam estimates 50,000 british people invested in the company. its founder, doctor ruja, has been missing since 2016 despite being hunted by the fbi.
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we can chat about this more now withjen — who's here with us — and jamie bartlett, who's been running the investigation into onecoin and is fronting the bbc podcast. jen, you'd been left some money by your dad, and what were you told about what investing in onecoin? we were told that it's the value of it, once you purchased, the packages, a £5,000 package, when you bought it, turned into digital currency value of 48,000, that's how it was approached to you. which sounds like an amazing financially life changing, for many people. you were also told that one coin was the bitcoin colour and you saw how bitcoin rose in value and they put it to you that this was the
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time for early adopters to invest in one coin because it was going to be the number one crypto currency globally. how did you even hear about this? it was through a friend who knew i wanted to invest the amount that my father left me. over amount that my father left me. over a couple of months you are talking to friends about it and that's why they started to think we want to invest as well. i was ecstatic to think that this investment was going to change my life, and my family ‘s life. jamie, what is a crypto currency? a lot of people have heard of bitcoin because it's gone up in value in people talked about it over time and it's quite an exciting new technology, a form of digital cash, quite secure, a way for people to send this digital cash to each other, really cheaply, easily, to almost anyone in the world. people really believe this could one day be the future of money but because it's so new and the technology is quite complicated, when it started
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growing, people saw the opportunity to see, if we created a pretend one, scan one, and trick people into investing because there was hype around bitcoin and i think that is what happened here. what were one coin promising to do? well, you know, it was a financial revolution and you are going to change you are going to become millionaires, the higher the package you invest m, the higher the package you invest in, it will change you and your family ‘s life for generations to come. and yes, it was incredible, doctor ruja as she was called, you saw her in forbes and on forbes magazine but that was a paired advertisement, second page advertisement, second page advertisement for forbes bulgaria. —— eight paid advertisement.
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advertisement for forbes bulgaria. —— eight paid advertisementm looks really legitimate. this is the thing. when you get some new technology that's complicated, that is what has happened in this woman, imean, she is what has happened in this woman, i mean, she is pretty incredible, actually, the woman behind this. doctor ruja. and part of the podcast is trying to find out where she has gone because incredibly, it sounds impossible in this day and age, she creates this currency, over 4 billion euros is invested in this, i mean it's an incredible amount of money and then in 2017, it was october 2017, she takes a flight from bulgaria to athens and she disappears. and nobody has seen her since. has she got the money, where is the money? well this is another part of the story, of course, trying to follow the money around. you know how these international money flows were because this was all over the world,
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175 countries, people have invested in this. jen is not alone, there are people everywhere that have invested in this and there are people that still believe in it today. your money is gone, lost, you've accepted that, have you? yes, and france money, £250,000 has been lost. how do you feel about saying to them, i've done this, why don't you think about it? now and since realising that it was a scam, the regret, the shame, the guilt it never leaves. you live without every day. were there any red flags when you look back? yes, we were told we could get the initial investment back out after 12 weeks. that didn't happen, that was the first red flag. and after that, the business bank account started shutting down, they would say another one, and slowly red flags were beginning to appear. and it took until november, when i
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received information.” and it took until november, when i received information. i think one of the things about this, the way that it is structured, it spreads between friends and family, you know? you're getting your friends and family, people closest to you, to sign up and you are bringing them into this. i hope you don't mind me asking, how people fallen out with you, do they still talk to you? the ones that believe its a scam, of course friends, yes, they still talk to me, yes. in terms of the podcast, jamie, tell us more. you talk to people who lost money and you are on the trail of it. it's two things, trying to figure out where this money is, which, there are theories like you wouldn't believe, about where she is, what's happened to her and also trying to uncover just is, what's happened to her and also trying to uncoverjust how she managed to pull this off. in some strange way, this is a remarkable achievement to have fooled so many people and then to have vanished off
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the face of the earth, you know, and so this was always more than a crypto currency, this was becoming almost like a religion, you know, people really believing in her and in this so we are trying to uncover notjust her and in this so we are trying to uncover not just her and the in this so we are trying to uncover notjust her and the story of in this so we are trying to uncover not just her and the story of this scam but also why is it that people will fall for it, what's the psychology that means that even, when you look at the outside now, it seems obvious. but when you are in it... it at the time, it felt real. it didn't. they very much used words like family and things like that. there is a amazing footage actually ofjen when there is a amazing footage actually of jen when she there is a amazing footage actually ofjen when she is still a believer and you are arguing with someone trying to talk you out of it, and you are shouting at him. you are telling me have had death threats? why? in 2017! spoke to the police,
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and they said they believed it was a ponzi scam well then i opened up a victim support group to initially tell my friends and that started with 13 people and now we have 7000 people globally, and more with the podcast, and for the last two years because of these groups the death threats are regular. how does that make you feel? it is upsetting. because we just want the truth, as a victim of this fraud. we want the truth, and i would like to see justice. i'm doing my best to raise awareness, and to protect people from this and also crypto currency. . . from this and also crypto currency... thank you for telling us about it and our audience. and, jenny, the podcast is available... today, yes. the first to my eye out today then one per week after that. what is it called? the missing
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crypto queen. that is a picture of herthere, so crypto queen. that is a picture of her there, so you can see what she looks like. like and that is available on bbc sounds. thank you. -- yes, and that is available on bbc sounds. and you can watch this on the bbc parliament channel, the latest on that supreme court case. the supreme court hearing into whether borisjohnson acted lawfully in suspending parliament enters its third and final day shortly. you can keep across all the developments on the bbc parliament channel. the latest figures for people with learning disabilities and autism who are in assessment and treatment units in england have just been released, and show that there were 2,255 inpatients in such hospitals as inpatients at the end of august this year. we've covered this story extensively on the programme.
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earlier this year, reporter noel phillips spoke to a mum whose daughter has been in secure units for people with learning difficulties for seven years, since she was a teenager. she's my only child. she is everything to me. she is my life. it is just unbelievable. i am living a nightmare. at age 19, ayla haines was admitted to an assessment and treatment unit, or atu, after struggling with anorexia and other mental health illnesses. her life consists of spending her days from 7:30 in the morning till 9:30 at night in one room. she hasn't been out of that ward for the past year, apart from once and apart from hospital visits. we haven't been able to see her for the past year. we were only allowed three ten—minute phone calls per week. ayla has spent the last seven years in psychiatric hospitals. she's currently at a medium secure unit 200 miles away from her home, on the outskirts of cardiff. her mum says her prolonged stay has had a detrimental effect on her health. she's got a huge bald patch on her head now,
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where her hair will never grow, just from all the head banging that she's done. and that's irreversible. one of the doctors said possibly she's caused more brain damage through the head banging. so i don't know. i don't see a happy ending, really. and we were also passed these shocking pictures of a teenager in segregation, reaching, pushing, their arm through a door hatch to enable contact with their parents during a visit to an atu. our social affairs correspondent alison holt can break down these figures for us. firstly, what are the figures telling us? these figures show the number of people in these treatment units in england and they are telling us the numberfor august, so they have just been released in the last hour and they show that 2255
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people are currently in these units in england. that is slightly down on last month, on the previous month's figures, down by 15. the number of children in the units, so under 18s, is 245, down by ten. but i think that has to be set against the wider picture, which is that there have been a number of pledges from the government, from nhs england, to close these places down altogether, to move people to the community where there is going to be more appropriate support, and crisis support within the community, rather than the sort of stories we have just heard of children or young adults being moved some distance from home. so by april of this year the figures should have been down by 35%. so that would have been significantly below 2000 people in these units, but they have remained stubbornly high, although some progress has been made. the other thing to say, we have just got some
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figures on restraints, and over the last three months there have been more than 10,000 reported incidents, so that is someone being held or restrained within these units. like night by a member of staff, obviously? yes. in what way? -- and bya obviously? yes. in what way? -- and by a member of staff, obviously? these should be techniques agreed and that people have been trained for. 3230, so a third of those restraints were against children. what i should say, though, is that this could be to do with better reporting. it is always very difficult when you get figures like this to know exactly what they are telling you. but the reason we are following these figures so closely is that back story of promises being made, change not happening at the rate at which families are crying out for it to happen. nhs england haveissued out for it to happen. nhs england have issued a statement. they say the nhs is committed to supporting people with a learning disability or autism and that since 2015 the number of people in hospital has
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successfully reduced by more than a fifth and that people who had been in hospitalfor over fifth and that people who had been in hospital for over —— fifth and that people who had been in hospitalfor over —— a number of people who had been in hospitalfor more than five years are now being supported in their community. they are saying, we are now working on this. organisations like mencap or camping in the area say it is just not happening fast enough, that these are people's lives and people's lives are being ruined while these people are far away from home in what they describe as inappropriate settings. thank you, alison holt, our social affairs correspondent. the mum and dad of owen, and his sister, owen who died at the byron burgers after eating a chicken burger. despite telling a member of staff he was allergic to various things he was given chicken with butter marinated in buttermilk
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which was not on the menu and the staff member did not alert him to and with his dairy allergy, it killed him. this text i said, following the family's loss and that of natasha o is's family, i and my family boycott byron and pret. it is not much but it is what we can do to ensure that if a dead straight take their responsibilities seriously. i am so sorry for your loss —— —— of second night because my family. this one says they should bea my family. this one says they should be a database with all the ingredients kept. —— of natasha ednan—laperouse's family. this one. she says she shins it is ok if no peanuts are listed. she is embarrassed to tell any waiter.
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teens are most at risk because they don't want a fuss made but they want to go out without parents. restau ra nts to go out without parents. restaurants and shops mayjust say, it may contain nuts, and you get to a point where you can't go out to eat because they can't guarantee. she was turned away from the local ice cream shop because they wouldn't serve her because they said any or all of the products may have contained nuts. ella tweets this. it is important not just contained nuts. ella tweets this. it is important notjust to have more allergen information, but more purposely allergen free foods otherwise those suffering won't be able to eat out anywhere due to companies over labelling just to be on the safe side. many thanks for those. it's estimated that a person dies from a snakebite every five minutes. obviously it's not something we worry about in the uk, but for millions of people from some of the poorest places on earth like southern asia and sub—saharan africa, it's a daily reality. but in kenya scientists, health workers and communities have teamed up with researchers from the liverpool school of tropical medicine to try and find solutions that would drastically cut deaths and disabilities from snakebites.
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in a moment we're going to show you just how toxic snake venom can be by taking some of my blood, with, the help of nicholas and nicola here, and mixing it with the poisin from a snake bite. but before that, have a look at this from the bbc‘s global health correspondent. —— poison from a snake bite. tulip mazumdar has travelled to kitui county in eastern kenya to meet a new team, who are entirely funded by the british government, tackling the snakes. a tense community gathers. they've spotted a cobra up a tree in the heart of their village. that's a spitting cobra. snake expert geofray and his colleague from the uk, nick, are in the area trying to catch snakes. it's been spitting venom for an hour. slowly and carefully, they uncoil the creature.
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this is the most common cause of serious snake bite in the county. of serious snake bite in the kitui county. 0k? yeah, releasing. 0k. and it's captured. the snake has been bagged up now. geofray is now telling the community that they are safe for the moment from this snake. it's going to be taken away. this is an enormous red spitting cobra and i think this community will be very pleased that it is no longer in their backyard. it's been four years since a snake slithered into marta's community. she was bitten as she worked on a farm — losing her leg and her livelihood. now she is housebound, relying on her brother and his children to care for her. translation: my body was completely swollen and turned black. i was told my leg would have to be
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amputated or i would die. i cannot work. ijust sit here at home. marta wasn't able to get to a hospital offering snakebite treatment in time. her experience is a sadly common one, but it doesn't have to be this way. a pilot scheme is under way here, testing out new snakebite ambulances which can get into difficult—to—access areas quickly. the biggest problem that leads to this loss of lives and loss of limbs is because of the distance and the duration taken from when the patient was bitten to when they got to hospital. so what you're trying to do with the ambulance is kill this time taken. the race is on to get to a teenage boy bitten by a snake as he tended to his livestock. cecilia and her snake bite research team reach the remote village within an hour.
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we suspect the puff adder... they clean the wound. he's in a state of shock. but the team carefully lift him onto the ambulance and head to hospital. a couple of days later, cecilia visits the teenager. doctors here have seen more than 40 snake bites so far this year — around half of the victims were children. so, ok here. still requires another dose of antivenom. unlike most hospitals in kenya, this one does have a decent supply of antivenom. but there's a global shortage of these drugs, which can cost hundreds of dollars. the teenager's family don't know how they will pay. he has a long recovery ahead of him, but medics here have managed
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to save his leg, and he is expected to return to school. this community is very used to living alongside snakes. how many have been bitten by a snake before? but today is a first for them. they're learning snake bite first aid. this is such crucial work — showing the community themselves what to do in the minutes after someone is bitten by a snake to give them the best chance of a good outcome before help arrives. communities like this one are lucky. they now have a dedicated team ready and waiting to help them. if this pilot scheme is a success here, these snake bite squads could be heading to other parts of kenya very soon tulip mazumdar, bbc news. tulip mazumdar, bbc news, kitui. now, we wanted to show you just how
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toxic snake venom can be. clearly, pretty obvious from tulip's report. this is nicholas casewell from the liverpool school of tropical medicine who you saw in tulip's film, and this is nicola piper, a nurse who's here to take my blood. so nicola is going to get started. we are going to mix my blood with the venom from a african saw—scaled viper. obviously if you dont like needles and blood, please look away for the next minute. ijust don't like looking. but i am fine with the feeling. it is a very large needle, and the reason it is so large? it draws the blood quicker, and it is a large syringe. but i'm not filling it to the top. i'm not looking! no worries. i will just pop my gloves on. is everyone
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laughing because it is massive? no? 0k. laughing because it is massive? no? ok. coming dot-macro ok. ok. have i got good veins, nicola? —— it is coming, ok? you are doing really well. not much more. just bear with... well. not much more. just bear with. .. it well. not much more. just bear with... it is obviously a regular occurrence, having my blood taken on live tv. all done? yes. just going to remove... and i look? great. i will just put a to remove... and i look? great. i willjust put a plaster on it. what lam going willjust put a plaster on it. what i am going to do here isjust try and illustrate how potent snake venom can and illustrate how potent snake venom can be. there is a small amount of venom in this syringe and i willjust to pet a tiny bit into the blood sample we have just collected from you and just give it a gentle swell —— i willjust
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pipette a tiny bit. this venom acts on your blood system, causing you to bleed but also causing your blood to clot. that blood, when we put it into... obviously your blood is liquid, and if i pour it out here perhaps you can see now the effect of what has happened to your blood. it has turned into this really large jelly clot, in effect. thick, gloopy and gelare fired, jelly clot, in effect. thick, gloopy and gel are fired, as opposed to liquid. exactly. it activates lots of different clotting components in your blood, within seconds, and this is about 100th of a gram of venom from this snake, so a tiny amount. gosh. this illustrates how potent snake venoms can be when they bite people. would that happen to your blood inside your body? great question to stop obviously this is a test tube experiment and the blood
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is not pumped around as it normally would be in a body. when a person is bitten they actually form lots of small clots rather than this big one lump of jelly, and small clots rather than this big one lump ofjelly, and those can cause problems because they can lead to strokes but they also mean you can't clot your blood anymore and there are other toxins in the venom that are other toxins in the venom that are causing you to bleed, damaging your blood vessels. so you end up in a state where you are bleeding and you can't clot your blood anymore. so these people bleed to death over a day or two. shake the petrie dish, again. is it continuing to solidify? we are at a point where all of the blood we took from you has clotted into thisjelly, so blood we took from you has clotted into this jelly, so there blood we took from you has clotted into thisjelly, so there is no more clotting to be done, as it were. do you know what it reminds me of? the placenta when you have given birth. that kind of consistency, isn't it? absolutely. it is just that kind of consistency, isn't it? absolutely. it isjust all of that kind of consistency, isn't it? absolutely. it is just all of that blood plasma clotting potential has been consumed by the venom there. if
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you imagine what would happen if you are bitten by a snake, looking at how quickly this happened. the thing about the snake venoms themselves as they are very different. some will have this kind of effect on your blood, some will cause paralysis, some can cause really horrible local tissue damage, as you saw in the film there as well. so depending on what you are bitten by it really has a different outcome in a patient. 0k. a different outcome in a patient. ok. i have a comment from someone who keeps snakes. wright, natalie says, i keep snakes, albeit constricted and not venomous varieties. i have been bitten on occasion and it is rare if they are properly looked after, and all of mine are. i understand there are some terrible stories about snake bites but try not to demonise them asa bites but try not to demonise them as a whole on your show. a lot of snakes are at risk and are vulnerable. is that true? absolutely, and snakes themselves are really valuable organisms in an ecosystem. in the places, as we saw in kenya there, where people are getting bitten, it is rural poor
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farmers were being bitten by these, and children, but the snakes play a key role in that community as well because they control the rodent populations that would otherwise decimate the crops. so there is this trade—off. we can't just decimate the crops. so there is this trade—off. we can'tjust go around demonising snakes and killing them, thatis demonising snakes and killing them, that is not a solution. these are important animals that play a role in the ecosystem but we obviously have to find a way to manage that snake and human conflict. thank you, and thank you very much, nicola. very nice to meet you, although in bizarre circumstances. and thank you, nick, for coming on our programme, from the liverpool school of tropical medicine. now, for as long as we've played games, there have been players willing to break the rules in order to win. whether it's rolling weighted dice or counting cards, you can bet someone is working the odds in their favour. and it's no different in computer gaming. as gaming becomes more competitive and more lucrative, cheating is one of the biggest challenges. hackers are using the same techniques of cyber criminals
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to create undetected cheats and sell them. often the hackers are young gamers themselves who are making thousands from it, but they also risk legal action from multinational games—makers if caught. joe tidy‘s been to ask one 17—year—old why and how he does it. i've been spotted. 0h! this game is the hardest shooting game i've ever played. oh, look. gollum 3000 has been banned by battleye. just shows you how much cheating is going on in this game. the guy i'm going to meet, he's been creating cheats for a few years now. i'm interested to see what he's got to say about this community of cheat hackers out there and the growing problem of cheating. he says itjust adds to the fun of the game for him. but what about the millions of other people who play online who don't cheat? you could get in some serious trouble for this, couldn't you? yeah. if they decide to come after you because of copyright infringement, you're in for a tough time. in fact, four chinese hackers — just like him — were recently arrested for allegedly creating and selling cheats. police say they made $140,000
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before being arrested. this teenage hacker — we'll call him lucas — runs a smaller operation from the netherlands. his business can still make almost £1,500 a week and his customer base is growing. i know some customers that, actually, are like in the top, top ranks by using a product. hang on — some of the top—ranked global players on this game use your cheats? yes. apparently, there are even a few people that use it in, like, propertournaments. lucas's cheats are currently undetected, but players using other hacks have been caught red—handed. watch as this esports star tries to delete the evidence during a live, high—profile tournament. he was banned and sacked by his esports team. can we see what your cheats can do? yeah, sure. first time i really made a cheat, i was like, "man, this is awesome, i want to do this more." it was only a hobby.
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but then i realised i could make a lot of money out of it. because it's the onlyjob i have at the moment. oh, look at that. so, already, i can — we've loaded up and i can see much further. i can now shoot completely in one spot without any recoil. and when i shoot someone, it hurts them a lot more. this is a completely different game now. yeah. you almost got there now. i almost completed it. yeah. so shall we play online now? yeah, sure. we're not ruining anyone's game, but now we're about to. cheating and gaming is almost as old as gaming itself. but things have changed a lot since the early days. back then, a few cheat codes would affect a single player, or maybe a group of mates. arguably it all started with the ‘80s classic gradius. the legendary konami code — up, up, down, down, etc, was a secret sequence installed by the developer to make it easier for him to complete the game. but soon word got out, on the cheating began.
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but now gaming is online, its global and it's highly competitive. a lot of people are saying that cheating has got out of control. bamyleaf is a gaming streamer. she says the cheats are spoiling the fun for millions. for them, it may be a little bit of fun like, "yay, i won the round." but everyone else — they didn't get a fair shot at that game at all. games can last up to half—an—hour. that's half—an—hour of game time that's been wasted. just put the time in — it's so much more rewarding! and it's notjust gamers this is affecting. for game—makers, cheating is one of the biggest problems in the industry. it's very frustrating that the people who are cheating are taking development resources away that could be used for new levels or improved gameplay. ubisoft, the makers of this game, say they're committed to tackling the issue and use several tools to detect cheaters. going after individual cheat—creators, though, is difficult. the makers of pokemon go recently got a cheat company shut down by filing a lawsuit
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for intellectual property theft. the way the cheat industry is moving is making it even harder to police. cheats are being sold in encrypted chat forums on platforms like discord. we were shown four separate communities with hundreds of members in each. they're all well—organized and work hard to stay undetected. so we're now playing online with nine strangers. yeah, you got him. ijust shot someone through the scenery. through the floor. through the floor, because i could see them? yes. that is not fair, is it? no, it really isn't. it's easy. yeah, it really is. does that take the fun out of it? no. how do you feel about people using your cheats in actual tournaments where there's prize money and a lot at stake? obviously, we don't condone it, but we're not going to be like, "hey, you cannot do that." lucas says he has no plans to stop making cheats. in fact, he and his team
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want to expand into other games. and, as long as the customers keep coming and the games—makers do nothing, his business and many others will keep on growing. that was joe tidy with that. by the way, quickly... the supreme court hearing into whether borisjohnson acted lawfully in suspending parliament has begun. you can keep across all the developments online and on the bbc iplayer. have a good day. bbc newsroom live is next. we are back tomorrow at ten o'clock. good morning. it has been a gorgeous start to the day so far. many of us broke up with blue skies and sunshine and many of us might will continue that into the afternoon. this is the latest satellite imagery to stop you can see cloud around
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north—western scotland and some areas of england but that cloud will also tend to break up and there will be sunny spells developing across england this afternoon. cloud across north—west england also disappearing. there may be some fairweather cloud elsewhere but for most of us it is dry and fairly sunny. maximum temperatures up to about 17—21 degrees. through tonight with clear skies and light winds they could be patchy mist and fog developing, perhaps more so than last night, especially around southern scotland, northern and eastern parts of england and northern ireland and ireland. a little chilly out there well they might bear that little chilly out there well they might bearthat in little chilly out there well they might bear that in mind if you are setting off tomorrow morning. plenty of sunshine expected —— and northern ireland. maximum temperatures up into the 20s for most of bye. —— for most of usb —— us.
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you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's 11:00am and these are the main stories this morning: david cameron reveals he was so worried about scotland voting to break away from the uk, he asked for help from the queen. not asking for anything that would be in any way improper or unconstitutional, butjust a raising of the eyebrow. borisjohnson is warned to come up with fresh brexit proposals by the end of the month or the finnish prime minister says it will be "over". lawyers for former prime minister sirjohn major will challenge borisjohnson's decision to suspend parliament — on the final day of the historic hearing at the supreme court. i will be reporting live from the
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