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you and me both, dave! given right! you and me both, dave! given that you may have just heard one or two things about this book... on the sofa. let's make brexitcast only political programme in the universe that's going to talk about david cameron. full stop. no one's got a clue. brexit is... we are particularly reliance on the dover— calais crossing. the doubters the doom stirrers, they are going to get it wrong again. it's only us this week. chris at westminster. laura
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and westminster. katya on her lonesome. adam on a greek island. what? can you bring back a pita? only if i don't eat it on the plane. the people behind that booth is getting married and it is a stag do tonight! just like mama mia. paint us tonight! just like mama mia. paint usa tonight! just like mama mia. paint us a brief picture for how many have you had to drink? hardly any because i have been saving myself for this brief appearance on brexitcast. i have to say it with a little bit of
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distance from brussels and london emmal distance from brussels and london emma i am so confused. is there going to be a deal? isn't there? are there people is papers being two papers being tabled? has jean—claude juncker shown a bit of willingness to get a deal or not? i am so confused. it seems like all of the things may be true and not betray the same time. that is because we live in the new universe of alternative truths. many truths. many truths. you could argue all of the above. last night, it looks like before i got on the plane, very early flight, the french president in the prime minister had set a deadline for the uk, if it is not by the end of the month, it is all over — whatever all of her men. that massive drama just sort of died out after about... where do we
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start? where do we start? we are going to talk about your adventure, both of your adventures, to luxembourg, laura and adam, and then that whole thing about where or will this talk? mrjuncker meeting boris johnson and popping up on the telly today. in the business down at the courts. turn to page 47 to 73... adam! i was thinking of you, because i was wondering if you have been watching the supreme court this week. maybe you downloaded some of its washdown study mac —— watched... you could always say, let's talk about the supreme court. in fancy
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lawyer language, binders are called bundles. me and adam were both in luxembourg. there was podiumgate, although if viewer angrily e—mailed me and told me it should have been lecturngate. it was a silly journalistic nickname. there was a real moment, boris johnson journalistic nickname. there was a real moment, borisjohnson had had talks. protesters screaming at the gates. boris johnson talks. protesters screaming at the gates. borisjohnson chose not to ta ke gates. borisjohnson chose not to take part in the press conference, the press conference anyway, gesturing to the empty lectern beside him and, it's fair to say, hacked a lot of people off. you caught up with him, katya. you left
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luxembourg and i came to luxembourg. to speak exclusively, to ask what we re to speak exclusively, to ask what were you thinking when you did that commits to hold a press conference gesturing at an empty lectern? boris johnson should've been standing. and where the union flag was. it wasn't just a press conference where he sort of blandly answered questions about the meeting that they had had, which he told me was actually very friendly. he went on a rant, went on a rant about frustrations with the brexit process. in content, what he said was nothing that he hadn't said before, concerned about the safety of citizens, frustration amongst eu, that they are always painted as the villain in the brexit process, where they never wanted brexit in the first place and try to reach a compromise deal and understand all the different prime ministers they have had to deal with in the uk since this story began. and so on and so on and so on. but as you say, it was that choice to stand there
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we re it was that choice to stand there were the two prime ministers should have been standing... he said he never intended to humiliate and he never intended to humiliate and he never intended to put a trap for borisjohnson. never intended to put a trap for boris johnson. can i raise a sceptical journalistic eyebrow at that? it's off the scale on diplomatic for a cannot imagine a british prime minister, in any context, of either party of any party, whoever was turning up here, them doing that. let us hear how he explained it. let's hear how you explained it. let's hear how you explained it. let's hear how you explained it. we had a situation where i thought we should go, and we should speak to the people and tell them to have respect, two prime ministers johnson, them to have respect, two prime ministersjohnson, and them to have respect, two prime ministers johnson, and this them to have respect, two prime ministersjohnson, and this was really my goal. when i see that people said i wanted to blame, i wanted to humiliate, i have to say this was really not what we wanted.
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it may not have been what he wanted, isaid to it may not have been what he wanted, i said to him, he has been an eu leader around the table for six years. this is a very experienced politician. i said to him, you must have known how that would come across. to be fair, it's notjust eye brows across. to be fair, it's notjust eyebrows that shot through the roof in parts of the united kingdom, although there are many people who said, well done for saying how we feel. the emotions that he expressed some of the frustration he felt, nothing new in the eu. i hear it all the time off the record with eu diplomats and politicians. but it was that decision to go out there, and that has been cut behind closed doors, not in front of lecterns, in eu circles is awful some even though he expressed a commonly held frustration, the way he did it did not know down well in many areas in the eu. i have got to ask about my
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favourite bit of telly, nerdy telly. mr patel turning estate agent, as if you show you around, katya, perhaps you show you around, katya, perhaps you need a padded luxembourg. i'm going to do a thing that estate agents don't do, look how small it is, not how extensive it is! adam, i am not sure how long we have you with us, but the explanation they gave us, with us, but the explanation they gave us, were with us, but the explanation they gave us, were they did not have a big enough or for the journalists. you saw the rooms, katya. big enough or for the journalists. you saw the rooms, katyalj big enough or for the journalists. you saw the rooms, katya. i have beenin you saw the rooms, katya. i have been in those rooms, seen the artwork... it is small. it's smaller than my living room, a tiny flat, and if there was any other country
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other than tiny, mini and if there was any other country otherthan tiny, mini luxembourg, you know what? maybe this was planned. it would not happen with angela merkel because she's got a massive press conference with hundreds ofjournalists. massive press conference with hundreds of journalists. this massive press conference with hundreds ofjournalists. this was one of those ones where, can i say this, talk up, not conspiracy. one of those ones where, can i say this, talk up, not conspiracylj one of those ones where, can i say this, talk up, not conspiracy. i am with you. misjudge but not intentionally humiliating. we can talk about it as a dramatic moment. actually, it has not had any massive impact on the process. my favourite little nugget, i found impact on the process. my favourite little nugget, ifound myself looking up the size of luxembourg. the size of dorset. this is the key thing. i have been off work for the last couple of days, and i find myself thinking, hang on a minute.
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and i simple fight to make the point. one side saying, we are suggesting all sorts of stuff and the other side says, we have not seen the other side says, we have not seen anything. how can they both the right? what is going on? this is how the uk sees it. and i've been talking to the uk government this week. what is actually happening. the uk has been discussing for several weeks all sorts of ideas with various member states and people in the eu commission. it's been described as a number of... the eu could pick from, this is a broad base we could talk about. they have been relying on some of these non—papers — non—papers, adam, will rely on you on the definition of a non—paper. some parts, some elements
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of the government machine in the uk area bit of the government machine in the uk are a bit exasperated that they have been trying to have these conversations. i have seen david frost's read binders on the plane with my own eyes. they have been talking about things and they feel that one needs to happen, what they hope might be on the way, is a kind of big political shall from leo varadkar or angela merkel or emmanuel macron and say, we are actually going to talk properly now. because time is really short and it isa because time is really short and it is a political choice to try, and i think there's been frustration on the uk side — not that they've been blameless — but there's been a frustration they have been, up until now, banging her head against the wall. what has been really striking under exit cast, when we are having these conversations, the interpretation as it is seen and read in london of the same thing can
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be interpreted different he where you are. laura was talking about david frost read binders you can see on the plane, and yet sometimes the leg was coming out of brussels sounding like what read binders, there aren't any. there is the show in the theatre and then there is stuff happening behind the scenes. and there is, it is notjust on the eu side saying, we have seen nothing at all. it is a bit like a toddler who is sort of hiding behind his own hands and saying, you can't see me! chocolate all over their face! that's right. there has been an exchange of views, so it is not fair when the eu says, we have seen nothing, they are unprepared. suggesting borisjohnson had no idea how to solve the checks problem in ireland and did not... also submits he stuff on this side, as there has been on the uk side, from the eu
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perspective is does this never to do? i would argue, not necessarily. because what do you do before you're about to compromise? you make a lot of noise. you stand strong, you flexed some muscles because if going to get a deal under borisjohnson, there's going to have to be compromise on either side, probably both sides. they have to flex their muscles before they do it. you look ina muscles before they do it. you look in a really senior figure in the government says, as ever, with any deal, it's about finding a win for everyone. someone up on their height horse is going to have to find a way down from there settle. it is less likely there is a deal than likely. but maybe there is a push to try. adam, i know you have to go. please, you're the one person in the world
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who can give us a clear definition ofa who can give us a clear definition of a non—paper. who can give us a clear definition of a non-paper. it does rather sound like the words of the dog a make homework. what is it? i managed to sound very smug today, because people like come or does this on paper? no, it is old—school in brussels. sorry. when you're in a negotiation or discussion, want to put some ideas on the table but don't want to make it as your negotiating position, you can publishing on paper. it's a bit of a green paper in westminster, just to make the jargon even worse. and i have to say... and i have to say, the non—paper the uk have put forward sound like they are not what they have put forward verbally.” like the idea of that! just promise
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me you'll talk other things. your non—paper... me you'll talk other things. your non-paper. .. amazing. the great news is there is a briefing for deponents on the 27th working on brexit, in brussels, so not very long to go. the commission will put out the context of those non—papers, whether they are noncrystalline press. not long to wait and we find out. until you get your paws on those non—paper pieces of paper. we have to say goodbye to you now, adam. it means goodbye to you now, adam. it means good night. or we goodbye to you now, adam. it means good night. orwe can goodbye to you now, adam. it means good night. or we can say good evening. orwe good night. or we can say good evening. or we could say it lots of beers, any of the above. goodbye, adam. enjoy your discussion about
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the supreme court. five. no one has ever said that to me before, ever, in our life. breaks is full of firsts. ijust slip one thought in there? when you use the word exasperation on the uk side of the eu let me assure you that is shared on the side as well as in the uk. we will be discussing this for many weeks to come. can i ask you both aboutjean—claude? when boris johnson hit did his trip to luxembourg and he's been back on the telly tonight. he has said to one of our colleagues, so ridge of sky news, that he thinks there will be a deal and that he is not that fussed about keeping a backstop as it is as long as it can be replaced with a workable alternative. i paraphrase. although seniorfigures workable alternative. i paraphrase. although senior figures in the eu
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with this moment and with this timing with what we were talking about with the deepfreeze starting to thaw a bit, it's interesting. certainly warmer language from his first meeting on monday, another phone call since then and i think they will be over interpreted as ever, but it does seem to be a bit of that moody music get more cheery and leo varadkar, the irish leader, also said today on the record, and of course he said the rhetoric has been tempered and mood music is really good, there's still a big gap there but everyone wants to get this done. so i guess the question is, it the timing is crucial here. how different is this from jean—claude junkerfrom thinks different is this from jean—claude junker from thinks he different is this from jean—claude junkerfrom thinks he has said before? frankly, not really. the differences in the eu side, they see borisjohnson cornered
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differences in the eu side, they see boris johnson cornered and all sorts of directions, and that makes them think that this is not a man that feels he can get away with pursuing ano feels he can get away with pursuing a no deal breaks any more. he has to actively really, truly pursue a deal because that's the best option for him right now. that is how it is seen here and that gives hope for them on the eu side. the idea of the eu being open to replacing a backstop and not being emotionally attached, i think he said a radically attached tonight. attached isa radically attached tonight. attached is a backstop, we can discuss that after. it was actually with in the withdrawal agreement. this is nothing new. it says that the backstop is the third option. in the absence of a trade deal between the two sides, that would make alternative arrangements or a backstop necessary, these are the kind of conditions that you've got there. it's within the agreement that you can replace it with something else. this is actually not
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new, and i think the eu care gameplaying by saying we are open, but they have said this all along. as soon as boris johnson said but they have said this all along. as soon as borisjohnson said i want to bend a backstop they said it on. but you have to come to us with a workable legally operable alternative. i know i'm renting now. that's what they don't do it for the eu. there went all the technical detail. 50 i don't see this as an advance myself. but the mood music is, you know, everyone is looking for a way forward. leo varadkar talking to the dup, politically he cannot get away with weakening the backstop in any way. what he can say is he's working together with the dup and he says he understands the unionists in northern ireland and wants to work with them. so white might change all of this is the verdict of the supreme court. if you have not been following the case that had better things to do than
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watch the supreme court is what is happening here is the scottish court decided borisjohnson happening here is the scottish court decided boris johnson had happening here is the scottish court decided borisjohnson had acted against the law and had misled the queen by suspended parliament in order to have a queens a speech to outline his domestic programme. and everybody suspected it was because he wanted to close down the debate in brexit but according to london they said that's none of our business. the supreme court has had this week argument after argument on both sides and they have to come up with the verdict probably early next week. now, it could not be more contentious, right? you have the court intervening and being very conscious that what they're doing is just so political. massive high drama. let's have a listen to what was the most dramatic lip of the week but what of the scottish advocates. aidan o'neill who was the advocates. aidan o'neill who was the advocate and won the case in
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edinburgh. making is very highly charged accusation about how boris johnson had behaved in his final flourish to the justices. you've got here parliament being shutdown by the father of lies rather than allowing this to triumph, listen to the angels of your better nature. imagine. it's like the harper lee summing up to a jury. it's like there's a jury. they are the most seniorjudges in the land, but in terms of what happens. they're going to say at the beginning of next week, but the interesting thing because that's be honest i think for a lot of us who in the business of covering politics, watching the live footage from the court it is still a novelty. the supreme court has been around for about ten years but seeing cameras in courtrooms is
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still quite something. trying to understand it. the new box set. still quite something. trying to understand it. the new box setm parliament has been usurped by the supreme court. it's the range of things that the court could come back and say and to the consequence for that in terms of whether parliament finds itself reconvened and then also crucially where it leaves politically the prime minister. whether you could do it a second time. genuinelyjust by coincidence have this in my notes. based on a conversation with gas, conversations about having this week about the different things that might happen. option a, the court may conclude that it is none judicial bowl. it may conclude, none of our business. thanks very much. we are where we are. it seems from
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the line of questioning that the is unlikely it will go there. very stupid to speculate but everyone is doing it so why shouldn't we? from the line of questioning it seems unlikely that they would go there because they're setting a precedent that's on premise or in the future is saying i'm going to shut down parliament for ten years the court set on the record and created legal precedent it's nothing to do with us. precedent it's nothing to do with us. so option number two then comes in where they might say actually, it isa in where they might say actually, it is a legal concern, but we don't exactly is a legal concern, but we don't exa ctly co m e is a legal concern, but we don't exactly come up we don't, in theory it's a legal concern but we are not convinced this government and this prime minister has actually done anything that is terribly wrong. we don't believe that's been proven here. so it would not have any practical effect. then you get into the realms of essayists guess our business in this government to do something very wrong and we are ordering them to recall parliament. they gets look obligated because if
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you have the queen's speech earlier and no security arrangements. the final properly politically nuclear option as of the court says yes it's our business in the prime minister isa our business in the prime minister is a liar. and then i think we would be able to house her resignation and into a sudden... that would be a massive political intervention from an institution of the state that is usually very reluctant seen getting into politics. in all the talk about a possibly politicized queen as well and we don't have time to go into cameron and the queen, but these are big questions. i was anticipating a rerun of things to say about the book here and picked up at the crack of dawn this morning. vague hope so to finish the whole thing, it's six or 700 pages long. to finish the whole thing, it's six or7oo pages long. can to finish the whole thing, it's six or 700 pages long. can start reading on page one. we could do that for the rest of the night. one of the
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things we have to think about for next week, lots of talks being stepped up here. all i'm going to say is boris johnson stepped up here. all i'm going to say is borisjohnson going to new york and he will see micron so next week big bananas at the labour conference and will definitely talk a lot about policy there. in the liberal democrats. what are you doing? you can put that on any page of political biography, couldn't you? talk to you next week. hello there.
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thursday brought us a stunning day of weather, in many cases clear blue skies like these pretty commonplace. and to be honest, we've got more of the same to come over the next couple of days — that is, until we start to see the weather change and turn increasingly unsettled as we go through the weekend. before we get there, though, this area of high pressure is going to continue that fine, sunny theme. but there will be some mist and fog patches as we start the day on friday, particularly northern ireland, north—west england and probably through the central belt and into parts of southern scotland. the mist and fog taking a while to clear out of the way. then it's sunshine all the way, pretty much, and the cloud that we've seen over the last few days in shetland will ultimately start to get displaced as we go into the afternoon, so even in lerwick we should see some sunshine to end the day. a warmer kind of day, temperatures widely getting into the low twenties. now, the weekend weather prospects, mixed fortunes, really. we've got high pressure still with us but easing away into the near continent, south—easterly winds dragging up some warmer air from france. but weather fronts in the west,
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well, that will bring the change through the weekend. saturday, weather—wise, most of us actually having another decent day with sunshine widespread. it's going to be a warmer day, as well, with temperatures peaking at 2a in both london and cardiff, but we'll probably start to see some showers breaking out across western areas late in the afternoon and as we head into the evening time, as well. now, the forecast starts to get a little bit more uncertain as we head into sunday, and specifically the uncertainty is about how much rain we see moving across the uk. ultimately, though, as a weather front begins to push in, we'll start to displace that very warm air and replace it with some cooler and fresher atlantic air from the south and west. the detail with rain is uncertain. most likely to get rain on sunday, wales and south—west england. the place most likely to stay dry is across the north—east of the uk. notice, though, the cooling trend to the weather across northern ireland, wales and south—west england, with the warmest air across the east. heading into monday, well, ourfirst band of rain will be pushing across scotland overnight. slow to clear monday, but then we get a ridge of high
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pressure following in behind, and that means, actually, as the rain clears through, we should see drier weather, maybe even some mist and fog patches around in the morning before the next weather system comes in off the atlantic to bring another push of rain in from the west. temperatures down on recent days, so it will feel cooler and fresher but still reasonable for the time of year, highs for most between 17 and 20 degrees celsius. now, as we head into the middle part of next week, you can see low pressure is firmly in charge of our weather and we'll see spells of wet and windy weather at times. so some of the rain could be quite intense, some of the winds could be quite strong, but the detail, other than it being unsettled, is still a little bit open to doubt just at the moment. there is still a little bit of uncertainty about exactly the shape of the low pressures that are going to swing in. that uncertainty really continues through the rest of the week.
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this remarkably circular area of low pressure the dominant feature, but we could also see some satellite lows bringing some slightly stronger winds and some spells of heavier rain for some of us, as well. now, the trend as we look at the weather into next week, though, is still a good one. it's an unsettled theme, and notice things getting cooler, as well, all the while. edinburgh and belfast finishing next week at around 15 degrees, which is a little bit cool for the time of year. maybe a few dry spells towards the south—east. that's your latest weather. bye for now.
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former prime minister david cameron sparks displeasure at buckingham palace over comments about the queen and the scottish independence referendum. mr cameron revealed that when he feared scotland might vote for independence — he asked for the queen's help. not asking for anything that would be in any way improper or unconstitutional. butjust a raising of the eyebrow. a prime minister is never supposed to reveal what's said in conversations with the monarch. also tonight... the lawyer for former prime minister sirjohn major tells the supreme court that borisjohnson suspended parliament to stop mps "interfering" in brexit. part two of our investigation into the plight of vulnerable
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