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hello this is bbc news. the headlines... jeremy corbyn has quashed an attempt to oust tom watson as the deputy leader of the labour party — a row which has overshadowed the start of the party's conference in brighton. the party conference has opened — among policy matters this afternoon, labour is set to announce proposals to give women experiencing the menopause more flexible working hours. the travel firm thomas cook has approached the government for emergency funding as it tries to avoid going into administration. iran reacts defiantly in response to the us sending troops and missile defence systems to saudi arabia and the uae, after last week's attack on saudi oilfacilities. 75 years on from the battle of arnhem — a mass parachute drop is taking place in the netherlands
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to mark what was known as ‘0peration market garden‘ in world war two. and now on bbc news, victoria derbyshire takes a look back at some of the highlights from her programme this week. hello, welcome to our programme. for the next half an hour, we'll bring you some of the exclusive and original journalism we've broadcast over the last week. first, countdown presenter rachel riley told this programme she's blocked over 1500 people on twitter because of the amount of abuse she receives. a group of presenters, politicians and other high—profile figures are calling on others to stop engaging with online trolls in an attempt to stamp out cyber hate. among those making the plea are gary lineker, the mayor of london sadiq khan and richard
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osman. they all endorsed a new guide on how to combat online abuse. published by the centre for countering digital hate, it advises people not to engage with any form of it and, instead, block and, if necessary, report those guilty of it. rachel riley's received tweets like this... "hopefully one day israel pays rachel enough that she can retire in a stolen apartment on the gaza strip". excuse the strong language here. "how on earth am i supposed to call rachel riley a t—w—a—t now that she's blocked me?" and "does the state of israel pay you per tweet?" do they have any rules or can you make any old leap and cobble together anything as long as its anti—corbyn? " but does the decision not to engage with tweets like this allow online trolls are to spread hate and misinformation and challenged? —— to spread hate and misinformation unchallenged. rachel riley started by telling me why she's blocked so many people online. i didn't realise, when i accidentally kind of stepped into the realm of political trolling, with anti—semitism, that that is what...
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the trolls are exactly the same. that's what they're after, they're publicity and they purposely target public figures to try and get some of our followers to read their doctrine, basically. if a public figure has, say, 500,000 followers, and you retweet someone and 95% of your followers say, this is appalling, this is disgusting, this is racist, this is horrible — that is 5% or 25,000 people that you are exposing to a racist and i do not want to do that, so i've got no need to see what these people are writing. if someone said that to me in the street, i'd walk away from them, so there's no reason why i should get it when i'm at home with my cats or husband or whatever i'm doing. sure. and we gave an example of some of the abuse you have received, but it is across a whole spectrum, isn't it? just give our audience an idea. laughter. i mean, you have to laugh to defuse it because part of this paper says, you know, being a victim breeds more victimhood. they will attack him. —— they will attack you more.
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but i've had all sorts. i've had people denying myjewish heritage, saying that my dead granddad would be disgusted by me. i've been compared to abu hamza, a prettier version of abu hamza, a nazi, a white supremacist, a paedophile enabler. i mean, you name it, these people are saying it. and i don't need to give them any oxygen. it's pointless. you first came across a campaign called the boycott rachel riley campaign when you learned you were pregnant. what effect did that have a new? —— what effect did that have on you? it really focused me to realise that blocking people is not weak. it is actually strong because it is human instinct to defend yourself, but, you know, since being pregnant, anyone who has been there will know,, you have a bit of sugar and your baby starts wriggling straightaway. you're in a great mood all day, your baby is kicking and having a great time. i had a stressful weekend on social media and my baby went quiet for a couple of days and that made me realise however mentally strong i am, there is a reaction, there is a fight or flight,
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there is adrenaline, there is hormones that go through your body and now i'm sharing them i absolutely do not need to give that maybe by any stretch. there is just no cause for it. what they are looking for is a reaction of any kind because it boosts their numbers. what you say, actually, is that defending yourself online is a trap? it is absolutely a trap and i think of it in the way that my mum used to say to me, if you have got an itch, do not scratch it or you will spread it and it is it really is a disease in society that we're actually constantly scratching, allowing it to spread and that is what is driving the increase in hateful ideas and hateful speech and this attitude that is sort of exemplified by the kind of nastiness that we see in politics today. they have a right to free speech, they have a right to hold their disgusting opinions, but we have no duty to hand them a megaphone and to allow them to broadcast it to even more people. 0k. and actually, by blocking them, or that we're saying is that we do not want to have to listen to it ourselves as individuals. we do not want to have to listen
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to hate been targeted at us. there is no duty for any individual to suffer the anxiety and, really, the pain of being abused based on their identity or for any reason whatsoever. social media, now, it means that anybody can contact you when you're getting out of bed, going to bed, carrying on about your carrying on about your life and it is targeted. they have whatsapp groups where they decide what they want to talk about who they want to target that day and if you make a... if you do a post and you get 50 angry people telling you that you are an idiot, you're wrong, it has an effect on you. but that is what they are trying to do, they are trying to use the small number of people, most of the time anonymous people, anonymous accounts, to change, to change the way you act, to change the way you speak and it does provoke reactions that are not necessarily that helpful, so this report has totally changed the way i use social media and its so much better. i want to mention a couple of tweets that you have sent to people. you can tell me whether you think
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this is trolling or not. laughter. injanuary of this year, you told george galloway to f off. idid indeed. after he criticised you on twitter. you often... you have used strong language to call out others with whom you disagree. you tweeted this aboutjeremy corbyn. .. "jeremy corbyn is an anti—semite, pass it on". no matter how you feel about how he has handled anti—semitism or not in the labour party, is that an example of trolling? so, that's an example of my reaction to trolling because the george galloway tweet came in the week that the podcast came out so that came in a week where i'm not sure how many thousands of messages of abuse i got and at that point, george galloway, before having seen what i had said, added to it and i... that was an example of me accidentally amplifying a troll. in terms of campaigning againstjeremy corbyn, i have posted countless bits of evidence and, in the end, you know, people are trying to use humour, trying to use any way they can to get this message out there because thejewish
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community are very scared. they're worried. people considering leaving the country and it's a hugely serious issue. neville tweets this, "while it's very wrong, the abuse that rachel receives, it is not only high—profile people who get abuse. because i want a people's vote, says neville, an brexit i've had to block over 200 people on twitter because of the abuse i have received. dave used to be a troll. he e—mailed and said 15—20 years ago i was a troll. i was trolling pretty much everyone i didn't like. but people started ignoring me. it got boring and not funny anymore, plus very hurtful to them. now i have matured and i do not do social area and i still ido i do not do social media and i still regret my behaviour. well done, dave. and brian says, troll is a sad little people have too much time on their hands and need to get a job. don't acknowledge them, itjust gives them oxygen. next, we exclusively reveal that more than 60 politicians, academics, barristers and campaign groups are calling on police forces and private companies are to stop using live facial recognition and private companies to stop
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using live facial recognition technology for surveillance immediately. this kind of live tech can scan your face as you're walking down the street and check it against a watchlist in real—time. so it is not like facial recognition used that passport gets, for example. —— and passport gates for example. critics say that the live element means that it is inaccurate, intrusive and infringes on an individual‘s right to privacy. those that make and use the tech say that it is helping to protect the public and can catch people like terror suspects. so what exactly is the technology and how does it work? this from our reporter catrin nye. many of us have already used facial recognition technology. so, this phone registers my face and then it can unlock using it. automatic passport gets also use it and come around the world, —— automatic passport gates also use
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it and around the world, police forces and private companies are adopting this technology. but privacy campaigners argue that the tech has moved faster than any regulations to control it. and it is being adopted in the uk before it has been properly scrutinised by politicians. live facial recognition that works in real time has worried people further. where you walk past the camera and — in real—time, without you even necessarily knowing about it — yourface is being checked against the watchlist. in the uk, there have been trials of live facial recognition technology by police in london and south wales. this was the last of ten trials by london's metropolitan police and was filmed by the bbc click team in january. how would you like it if you walked down the street and somebody...? when one man covered his face, things got heated and he ended up with a £90 fine for what police called, "disorderly behaviour". if i want to cover my face, i will cover my face. it is not for them to tell me
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not to cover my face. i've now got to £90. there you go, look at that. thanks lads, £90. the police here argue that not trialling the technology could see them left behind. we are completely aware of some of the concerns that are raised and what we're doing with these trousers trying to understand those —— what we're doing with these trials is trying to understand was better so that we can act to protect human rights, but actually keep people safe at the same time. i've come to a private company supplying this tech to see how it works. digital barriers provides facial recognition worldwide, mostly to the police, the military and other law enforcement organisations. what we're able to do is recognise people against watch lists as they walk past cameras, essentially. they have set up a demo for me — two of their employees are walking in the street outside, the system has their photos, they are on a watchlist, so it should — and it does — identify them. every time a face is detected,
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the facial recognition technology will compare that face against the watchlist and if it detects a match, you will see that match recorded. and what is happening to the people who are coming up as unknown? so, they are ignored. so they are not recorded, they are not registered. on this piece of kit, you can adjust to the threshold of accuracy at which a face will be recognised. basically, change how close they face has to look to the picture you have on record. this depends on how much you want to catch a person. if you believe that there is an active terror cell operational in a mainline railway station, at that point you might put the threshold low. if all you're doing on a busy street is looking for people who potentially have skipped bail, then at that point it is to set the threshold higher. we also put my image into the system to try it on a new face. so she has been picked up consistently. a very good level of confidence. it is not completely reasonable that people are worried about the hugely -- is it
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—— is it not completely reasonable that people are worried about the huge and expanding use of this technology with very little public scrutiny? so let's think about it in real—world use cases. so i am in the counterterrorism business and i know that there are five individuals in central london, where we are sitting right now, that want to do harm on a massive scale to the public. would you have public support to use facial recognition to try and intercept that group of individuals before they can do harm? i would suggest, almost categorically, you would. i would give you the opposite example. an individual has been kicked out of the pub for drinking too much on a saturday night at the pub has taken a photo that individual. should that individual then be prevented from getting into that establishment and other establishments because of that incident? i think you will have very little public consent for that example. unfortunately, there is no clarity, no regulation, that governs either case. but privacy campaigners see things differently. big brother watch released this statement, along with more than 60 politicians, academics, barristers and other campaign groups, asking for an immediate stop to the police and private companies are using this technology
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for public surveillance. i, for one, think that we do not want to live in a surveillance state. so, what we're doing is putting this to government and parliament to say, please can we open this debate and have this conversation, but, for goodness' sake, whilst that conversation is going on, there is now a crisis — a surveillance crisis on our hands that needs to be stopped urgently and that is what everyone who is signing this letter is asking for. in our demo at digital barriers, the computer was often slower at identifying the black woman in the street than the white man. this does not mean that the system was mis—identifying her, but it does mean, in this instance, that it was at least slightly less effective on darker skin. so there have been a lot of studies that show that facial recognition systems do not work as well on people of colour and women, generally. this can be for a number of reasons, such as, colour contrasts on the faces of people of colour
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and also the systems can be confused by cosmetic make—up and also some of these systems have not been trained with enough diverse datasets of people from different demographics. you could see a situation where you are identifying innocent individuals who are from a particular minority, for example people of colour, which means that there would be questioned by the police, even though they are innocent and they may even have their details and picture kept on record. despite having committed no crime. he thinks that the government should implement a long pause on the roll—out of this technology while all these issues are resolved. i think there is a much deeper issue, which is the issue of the face veil. i think if facial recognition technology is rolled out by the police in the uk, it will lead to an effective ban on a face veils. the king's cross estate, the private area of land containing the station and a load of shops and offices has also been at the centre of facial
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recognition controversy. it was recently revealed that the owners of the estate had been using the tech on the public here without their knowledge. and then, to make matters worse, it came to light that the met police and british transport police had supplied the company with images for the database. both police forces had initially denied any involvement. everything about this is happening ina vacuum everything about this is happening in a vacuum of regulation and oversight and clearly public knowledge. and when you speak to people, there are thousands of people, there are thousands of people walking around here right now. walking around here right now, when you speak to people, how much do they know that this? nothing. people know nothing about it. and i have looked around the whole area, looking for signs, looking for any kind of information about what has been going on and there has been absolutely nothing. at digital barriers,
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zach would not reveal because exactly who he has sold this technology to. at digital barriers, zach would not reveal to us exactly who he has sold this technology to. for some people, that is the most important piece of information. who is it that, you have demonstrated the technology to me, but who is it that is using it? that is what they want to know? why won't you tell us that? let's be very clear. i agree with you. i think that the use cases of the technology should be transparent, we have said that very publicly, but is not for me, my point is, to start talking about organisations that use our technology or technology from others. it is for regulation and those organisations themselves to make it known. the other police force that has been trialling this technology is south wales police. as a result, they were taken to the high court over it by a man who was caught on the cameras. butjust this month, the court found that their use of facial recognition was lawful. that decision is now being appealed. tony porter is the uk's surveillance commissioner. he thinks there must be a set
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of strict standards in place governing how this technology is used before it's uptake spreads and there is any formal adoption by police forces. i think there should be a single standard that incorporates any type of equipment, so approval, and a standard around its sighting, standards around its efficiency and effectiveness. so i suppose you might say, what is an appropriate false hit rate that is tolerable? if we were to live in a police state, then we would be able to do lots of things. if we put cameras in people's bedrooms, we would be able to stop domestic abuse, for example. if we microchipped people, we would know where everyone is all the time and be able to catch bad people. just last week, a group of musicians added their voices to calls for restrictions on facial recognition — in this case, at gigs. this is a debate that is
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only getting louder. the home of told us that we support the police as they try on new technologies to protect the public. including facial recognition which helps them identify and locate suspects and criminals —— the home 0ffice told us. finally, on carey was celebrating his birthday at the byron restaurant in london in 2017 —— 0wen carey. he told the staff that he had allergies but soon after eating he suffered an allergic reaction and died within hours. it was discovered that the chicken that he had eaten was marinated in buttermilk with two which he was allergic the coroner build that the rational‘s menu misled him by failing to highlight that the dish contained daily. —— the restaurant's menu. his family are calling for a
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new law. and they have not built out a swing at the burger chain. he was a swing at the burger chain. he was a very happy boy. he was always smiling and he had loads of energy. whenever he was around, the whole room sort of letup. and it's gave eve ryo ne room sort of letup. and it's gave everyone else more energy as well —— the whole room lit up. he was mischievous and he liked doing pranks with his friends and in school. he got away with a lot of things in school. because he smiled. so, yeah, ebullient, the vicious, very caring for the little ones. —— vivacious he loved emma's little ones. and in school, he was in the coding club, so he would teach the little ones how to code. animation, that sort of thing. i know that he
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told me, because it quite often he would not feel very well because he was on steroids and it was suppressing his immune system, he said... i really like going into skill, even if i am feeling ill, i will go into school on the day that coding club is there —— i will go into school if i am feeling ill. because i love it so much. on the day that he died, when did you know that something was wrong?|j day that he died, when did you know that something was wrong? i just suddenly notice all these messages on the phone. i thought, what on earth has happened? and then, sort of, listened to some of them and it did not say what had happened and so, i phoned them up and asked her and she told me and ijust went into shock. i remember shouting out, not my first mac, not my first mac. and
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—— not my own, it was horrendous. the adrenaline just kicks in as well. it is hard to sleep. and so is your work, adrenaline kicks in again and you the situation. can i ask you how you copein the situation. can i ask you how you cope in your head with son?|j the situation. can i ask you how you cope in your head with son? i talk to him every day. in my thoughts, and out loud. and i have a big lock of his hair, which i kiss every morning. i also have a neck was here that has some of his hair in the, so i keep him close to me. can i ask that question? that has a lock of his hair. when he was 18 and i had a
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significant birthday, we had a party at my place in carmel and i asked all their young ones to plant a tree cornwall stop he said that he wanted a pantry and in the end we agreed on an oak and that is glowing in the field by my house. but when he died i bought a pantry and that is now planted in my garden with some of his ashes underneath, so i go and talk to the pantry. and i will go and sit by the oak tree and just think of him —— we planted a palm andl think of him —— we planted a palm and i going to talk to that. he is with me all the time. do you have any idea why the conversation with a member of staff did not get through to the chef or... ? which led to him ordering checking which had a
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marriage on it which contained but about which he was allergic? we do not know and i think that we will never know — — not know and i think that we will never know —— which had a marinade on it which contained buttermilk. maybe the waiter looked at the menu and thought it was ok to look and eat this particular dish, did not state it was marinated in buttermilk. we do not know. that is a theory. nothing was and died in's allergy protocol was not initiated and that was where the problems started. what would you say to their chief executive? at the very least, i want chief executive? at the very least, iwant him chief executive? at the very least, i want him to work with us to promote owen's law. and not wait till legislation comes into effect, but lead by example and show the re st of but lead by example and show the rest of the restaurant industry that it is easy to do this to put owen's
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law into effect. he can get his entire chain to put on the face of the menu the allergens that earn each and to make sure that the allergen matrix clear so that allergy sufferers have full visibility of what is required. he can make sure that the servers positively ask each guest, do you suffer from allergies? rather than the onus being on the customer to explain? that was their defence that it was the customer's responsibility. if you are a young person, may be a better shame, and was not ashamed of his allergies, but some people might be, so if the server but some people might be, so if the server has to ask that it would be much safer. since he died, byron happened at the game and you go above beyond now what is the current
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legislation and they do ask, they do proactively ask allergy sufferers and if anyone has any allergies. statistics have shown that n biden, sensing, that the number of people saying that they have allergies has tripled. —— in that the number in by run. are you going to sue byron? it is not true that, but that way. they have told us that they take allergies very seriously and have a robust guidelines in place and train the staff to respond in the right way. current rules and requirements are not enough in industry and need to do more to help customers with allergies and to raise awareness of the risks of them. that is it for this week. if you want to get in touch with your very welcome. the details are on the bottom. we are back on monday night at kenyon. 0n bbc two and the bbc news channel. thank you for watching.
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hello there. today could be the last day that we see these kinds of temperatures until spring or summer next year. changes in the way. we have low pressure towards the west and weather fronts waiting to push on. there are today, high pressure pressure to need to hold on and with the south south—east easterly breeze, that is helping to pick up the temperatures. plenty of sunshine around through today. we are starting to see signs of change, though, with some sharp showers for parts of england, southern wales, northern ireland as well. some of the show is a heavy and thundery and a good deal of dry and my mother possessing through this afternoon. with that said, south easterly breeze, the temperatures are worms across the midlands, east anglia and the south—east. —— warmest. across the south—east. —— warmest. across the board by looking at temperatures and the high teens, 20s, a little colour for north sea costs. through this evening the showers, still heavy and thundery possibly, pushing
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north and east, expel a more persistent rain pushing behind that. saint, head of that, and eastern areas will have some clear spells and the temperatures dipping a touch, hear, it will be a night. temperatures not getting much lower than 17 celsius in cardiff. as we go into tomorrow, tomorrow is looking more and than today. she was continuing to work towards the east. that's a lot more persistent rain pushing towards the east. that could be heavy and persistent for a time. the north—east of scotland will be likely to dry sunny spells in britain a binder ring, with sunny spells and butter to showers. ten which is a maximum of 23 celsius. as we move into muddy, that initial cold front clears out towards the north—east. a brief interlude with the next when a friend not far away. here is how it looks through monday. some showers, clear and in attendees, a bit more cloud here, it dry some sunny spells, but then more u nsettled dry some sunny spells, but then more unsettled weather fitting into the south and west has the day wears on.
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temperatures are generally in the high teens, perhaps just reaching 20 celsius in the south and east. the next week, it has a fairly unsettled picture. there will be some showers, spells of rain, it will turn quite breezy at times as well. temperatures generally sitting in the mid to high teens. that is how it is looking. goodbye.
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this is bbc news. the headlines. jeremy corbyn has quashed an attempt to oust tom watson as the deputy leader of the labour party — a row which has overshadowed the start of the party's conference in brighton. i was disappointed. i'm glad it was swiftly close because in a massive room of delegates the yearning here is to get on with the job at hand. which is a green of the policy to go into the election. iran reacts defiantly — in response to the us sending troops and missile defence systems to saudi arabia and the uae — after last week's attack on saudi oilfacilities. the travel firm thomas cook has approached the government for emergency funding, as it tries to avoid

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