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the win moves her to number two in the world rankings and in position to qualify for the us surfing team for next year's tokyo olympics. brazil's gabriel medina won the men's event. that's all the sport for now. england's rugby world cup opener is under way in sapporo. you can follow all the latest action on the bbc sport website. head over to bbc.co.uk/sport. now it's time for a look at the weather with helen willetts. although we had a time to start in the east, it is all change with this change of fronts sat across the uk with more persistent rain and yet more showers. the far north—east of scotla nd more showers. the far north—east of scotland was mostly dry and fine but there were some showers to company could be thundery and this rain blows and stretches through northern ireland to the south—east brighter skies behind but potentially more showers. some concerns they could be up showers. some concerns they could be up to 30 mil metres of rain. still
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warm but not as warm as it has been. through the night, the rain comes into scotland and it will dry up for a time behind but still relatively mild, but missed the first thing by which point we already have the next band of rain coming into the south—west, wales and northern ireland. but when the mist clears, it should be a fairly decent day. more on the website. hello this is bbc news with ben brown. the headlines... jeremy corbyn says he'd serve a full term as prime minister if labour won the next general election and plays down criticism of his leadership from a senior aide. thomas cook is holding emergency talks this morning as it tries to agree a rescue deal to prevent it from going bust. angry scenes in hong kong as pro—democracy activists disrupt transport services, continuing to protest at what they see
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as china's growing interference. cities around the world will close their streets to traffic for world car free day. 0rganisers want to promote greener travel alternatives. now on bbc news, it's time for dateline. shaun ley joins foreign correspondents based here in the uk, to dissect the week's events. hello and welcome to the programme in together leading economists with foreign correspondence who write for the folks back home. it is the beginning of the end for israel's
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longest serving prime minister and the end of the beginning for a brexit deal? . these are my guest today. a warm welcome to all of you and good to have you with us. the israel front pages are not the ones benjamin netanyahu pages are not the ones benjamin neta nyahu was expecting pages are not the ones benjamin netanyahu was expecting after the second indecisive election injust five months, power is described as slipping away. he alone and political death spasms are among the headlines for that the promise for the last ten years with a three year stint before that in 90s, he has been reduced to urging the ex army chief who leads the new party, the largest of the tuesday pole, to join a unity government. he told them to push off. in a week when iran,
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country israeli promised it regularly bodes election as a reason it needs a strong government was blamed by the us for having saudi oil production. this in a week when iran, a country the israeli prime minister regularly invokes in elections as a reason why it needs a strong government, was blamed by the united states for halving saudi oil production with two drone attacks, claimed by houthi rebels in neighbouring yemen. before we talk about all of that, jonathan, just talk about benjamin netanyahu's fate. do you think we are now witnessing the end of the netanyahu era? we definitely could be. but it also may not be. i think it is important at this stage that we think about it in that way. netanyahu has not done as well as he would have hoped. these were elections he did not want. the kingmaker pulls the elections and then failed tojoin the coalition.
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it is not looking good for netanyahu, but he has proven that he is still a smart player when it comes to making coalitions. he got all the right—wing parties and religious parties to agree. that puts him in a slightly stronger position because it means that effectively he has a block of 55 behind him and you need 61 to form the coalition. if we take every party on face value and the system in israel with other smaller parties playing the balance, there is a problem. because so far, no—one will sit with anyone. and if you put together the equation of who people will sit with, there is no solidarity. for this to happen, certain people won't sit with the arabist parties because they are so extreme. someone won't sit with the ultra—0rthodox parties because they are extreme in different ways.
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it means that someone is going to have to break their promise and that will be where we find the coalition. that can still be neta nyahu's coalition. you don't envy the president having to deal with the politics! it is so complicated. i have to be honest, i look forward to the day when he goes because he has been... i think he has been such bad news. it has taken him to really bring deep pessimism to the area. almost irrecoverable pessimism. i think that is a tragedy. people don't even talk about a two state solution any more. he has taken away the hope and i could never forgive him for that. so i hope it is not him, whoever it is. would benny gantz's party be better? seems to be the campaign has been
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largely about who can be tougher on the palestinians. yes and no. a lot of palestinians are saying at least we already know the devil with netanyahu. his campaign has been about expanding territory. and this new party appeared from almost nowhere. taking into account all the up—and—down politics in israel and palestine, it has been considerably destructive. i think that is one of the interesting things with netanyahu because we hear that a lot from people outside of israel. he still does well in israel which is quite hard for a politician. the elections were not about expanding territory, he has always been about mr security. he has brought a certain amount of economic success to the country. he has kept relative peace.
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he has held very few wards in comparison to israeli history. he has defended well against the terror front and he stood up against 0bama who was for eight years a very critical us president against him. he has now got very close ties to president trump. but that is the problem. his desire to survive seems less about israel and more about him. this is a man who is facing serious bribery and corruption charges. which he denies. but if he is able to stay in office, there is the possibility of immunity, so for him it is not just about his legacy continuing, it is about protecting himself from serious consequences. it becomes so normative. but what has been happening in gaza
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in the last three or four years is unspeakable. and we have not talked about it here. partly because of this ridiculous definition that was forced upon us that we may not discuss some of these issues. the problem in gaza is not one—sided. you have a population led by terrorists under the thumb of hamas. you do not shoot 12—year—olds. the problem of gaza is not one—sided. bring it back to the election. to bring it back to where we began, what is interesting in an era where we wonder if democracy can stand the kind of assaults we are seeing in the us and some of the gamesmanship we are seeing here in westminster, i think we can take some comfort to know that, in fact, pendulums in democracy do swing and there is a resilience in the israeli system. for all of his aggressive gaming
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of the systems to hold on to power and the extremism that he articulated in the last weeks of the campaign, he's not actually able to do this. whether or not he survives, the fact that we see this possibility of change, to me, is a sign of optimism in really what is a sea of anxiety in democratic countries. in the wider picture, unless there is a settlement for the palestinians, both israel and the palestinians face a future much like the past, or worse. and if we have both potential prime ministers — netanyahu and gantz — both promising to annex the jordan valley, which makes a two—state solution extremely difficult because it is the main agricultural area for the palestinians, where does that leave us? i think that is a perfectly
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valid analysis. one reason why there has not been a two—state solution that is the refusal of the palestinians. i think that this deadlock in the process is one that has forced israelis to prioritise other things... i think where it leaves us is where we are. the sobering reality is that no—one is invested enough in a resolution to this conflict that we are going to see a change in the next number of decades. i think it is going to muddle on like this with flare—ups and tensions and intermittent wars... the annexation is not a kind of side product of what is going on. it is an ambition, and an ambition that they are pushing. and the world is allowing this to happen. is this just electoral policy? i do not think so, it has been going on for a long time.
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and the criticism has vanished. let's talk about the other country that jonathan mentioned. neta nyahu's success in building relations with countries like saudi arabia. we hear that us troops are heading to the region. the secretary of state has been talking about this. what is your take coming after the attacks? the interesting thing about watching donald trump is that he is a schoolyard bully and we know that he likes to threaten and brandish his weapons. but i think ultimately what we are seeing is that he does not actually want to create a confrontation. the threat from iran, if you attacked us, then game on, i think, this very odd comment from trump
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when this happened saying we are waiting for our instructions from saudi arabia, that is extraordinary for a president of the united states to say. any other president would have been demolished for this kind of thing. i think he is not going to do anything unless someone initiates it. he has been blind to the assassination, he does not want to know about that. he will do anything to maintain relationship. i think there is also the question that gets away from us in this which is iran. it is a huge regional threat. if people are worrying about donald trump, they are to be much more worried about the iranians. any response to any american military action will not be constrained to the source —
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they will spread it around. on that point of saudi arabia and iran, saudi arabia does not want to get into a war with iran. it does not see it as an attractive option. it likes to maintain this kind of standoff. the last thing it wants is a direct confrontation. generally speaking, the iranians have said they do not want a war, but they will defend themselves. they have said they will wipe out saudi arabia. we do not want to take them seriously. one of them has a reputation of sponsoring terrorism around the world. it is notjust in saudi arabia. one of the things is what is the meaning
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of departure ofjohn bolton? i have not been able to... is there a meeting? there must be! it is important to note the timing of these alleged iranian strikes. if we agree that it was probably around that did the strikes, coming so soon afterjohn bolton left, it seems very much a game of chess. they are saying, your hawk is left, and you have made it clear that you are not going to do very much... trump is somebody who does not want war. he came to power... to go back to the two powers. iran and saudi arabia, saudi arabia is so shocking what is going on. what has been done to their own people. in both countries. executions, imprisonment, the human rights violations. it was notjust it was not just jamal khashoggi. there was a report on the number of executions this year alone and saudi arabia including six children.
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but what do you do? i think iran isjust as bad. i have to make my feminist point. these are all men! actually all vile, awful men in these countries, in america, in our country, who are actually taking us step—by—step towards a catastrophe. i think given that yesterday we heard millions of people, children and young people on friday, we had massive protests around the world about the climate catastrophe. so, we have not mentioned that little three letter word, oil. it seems to me that this is a moment where we have to recognise that oil is not only destroying the planet, it is the cause and has been the cause of terrible wars and conflicts. this is a moment to grasp that and say we have to shift away. well said.
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0ne one other thing is important to note. we are sitting here in london and i think iran has been extremely aggressive towards the uk in recent months. the imprisonment of uk nationals. british iranians... the seizure of the tanker. the behaviour of the tanker that was released from gibraltar. and on a pledge from the iranians that it would not go to syria to sell oil which is exactly what it did. they have lied, they have developed secret nuclear weapons. they have imprisoned british nationals. it is strange that we are not positioning ourselves into a slightly more serious stance. perhaps something else is distracting the country! the grand duchy of luxembourg is one of europe's smallest countries. just 2,500 kilometres of land are bordered by belgium, france and germany. it has a reputation for being both wealthy and a little dull. on monday, though, it was so noisy with anti—brexit protestors that borisjohnson,
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the british prime minister, decided not to stay to be heckled in the sunshine at what should have been a joint news conference with the grand duchy‘s prime minister. yet, after the luxembourgois president of the eu commission, jean—claude juncker, gave an interview to british television on thursday, the pre—brexit gloom seemed to lighten. "we can have a deal", he declared. by friday, mrjohnson's brexit secretary was in brussels talking with the eu's chief negotiator, michel barnier. maria, sterling rose to i think a two year high on the back of this announcement. could it be, whisper it softly, that we might be heading towards a brexit deal? a lot of people are making quite a lot of money on this currency fluctuation. that is one thing to put in brackets. i have no idea if we are moving towards a brexit deal. michel barnier has said that the proposals set forward are not concrete. i think this conversation has moved
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so far away from the reality and what is happening, as has the politics. both parties are tearing themselves apart. the labour party has been in this tremendous row over the deputy leader, tom watson. it is connected to brexit. all these rows go back a long way. ijust keep longing for someone to come out and say look, this brexit thing has become a metaphorfor everything else that has gone wrong — austerity, poverty, people's feeling of having no agency in politics. all of that and... jeffrey, it should be a six letter word rather than a four letter word. i feel we have seen this possibility of hope before with theresa may. how many times did we sit around this table when theresa may saying that maybe she's going to pull
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the rabbit out of the hat? i am very sceptical. maybe, but what i think this is really about are all sides posturing so that whatever the outcome, they are not accused of not trying. and i think it is about seeing to be trying. maybe it is true, maybe brinksmanship will resolve. there is another part of this calculation. the word deal is going to put off all those supporters of the brexit party. all speak at same time what nigel farage has said he wants a deal, but just removing the backstop is not enough. he would prefer no deal to theresa may's minus the backstop. the word deal is connected to theresa may. borisjohnson cannot say this is the deal without this or without that.
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the threat that he fears most, the brexit party, will only intensify. i do not know what happens next. only that it is an election! he does not control that decision. under the ridiculous act, this is why legislation should never be made to satisfy one coalition. because now we have a prime minister who has lost the majority that he could have had, trapped in office by the labour party. it's interesting that you say he lost it. 0k, he got rid of it. he was left with a leader of the opposition who polled the lowest ever approval rating ever since they started poling. we have a situation where the opposition party can trap a prime minister in parliament. he is now stuck in his position where the country is the one that
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will suffer because there is no government to be able to make laws on anything. never mind brexit. there is an opposition who will not allow a general election for the people to choose because presumably they are afraid of leaving or they do not want to deal with the mess themselves. then they should take office and perhaps... perhaps the first thing he can do is stop shutting down parliament when it does not suit him. that is such an authoritarian decision. he lied. i'm sorry, he lied about why he took that decision. well, the government says he didn't. well, of course they say he didn't! this happened to the oldest democracy in the world. i've just been in africa and they were just saying to me that our leaders are going to follow borisjohnson. one of the interesting things is that boris is increasingly trying
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to prove that he can bring about no deal in order to bring about a better deal in the negotiations. parliament has constantly removed from him his biggest threat which is no deal. in order to maintain the threat, he has had to tell this line of an intentional ambiguity about whether he will break the law, of course he won't. about whether he will prorogue again. of course he won't. really?! high risk stakes because he's got nothing left. his plan was to go and get another deal with a credible threat and come back with a better deal. perhaps he would have gone for a no deal if he had not had got it and that's another discussion. but in order to have that threat sounds credible, he's got to allow them believe that he will break the law and end up in prison and that he will go against the supreme court. these are the things he is clinging to desperately. he is making the people believe this. maria is not comfortable. do you actually
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believe what he says? some of it. he is a politician. i take most of it with a pinch of salt! of course. this policy of brinkmanship is extremely dangerous and i think it is counterproductive. the eu is doing it as well. not exactly. even if we have what they call a wto exit, which means no deal, we still have to negotiate trading deals with our partners. that becomes increasingly difficult and is catastrophic for the country. jeffrey, i think this is probably the correct week to ask you, is there anything you want to tell us about your teenage years in canada? did you ever apply dark makeup? justin trudeau... the thing about this is that it is a long time ago and it is an absolutely inexcusable
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act of stupidity and insensitivity. but canada is in the middle of an election. october 21. he has a chance to hold onto a minority. the conservatives are very weak, the leader is not getting traction, but the third party has collapsed its vote and so he was placed to at least hold on. this has come at a very odd time, and me thinks someone is gaming the system. its not that long ago. he was 29. it was 20 years ago. it wasn't so long ago was it acceptable 20 years ago? the problem is i think many people say that incredulity is fake. three times looks like a hobby! i think if he weren't thinking of being woke,
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perhaps it would not been such a big deal. explain woke? if you look it up in the dictionary i think he would see a picture ofjustin trudeau, but i'm not sure what colour the picture would be! he is an idiot for having done it, but will this affect the outcome of the election? the sense that i am getting from canada is that now, this is not going to undermine him. his record as prime minister, oddly, goes right against the photos which is why it is so hard to reconcile. apart from the allegation are putting pressure on the then attorney general putting action against... that is a more nuanced issue, the alleged corruption because he was on one level trying to protect one of canada's largest employers from collapsing. this is a man whose reputation in canada is for compassion and tolerance which is why these
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photos are so disconnecting. i can't get exercised about this brown face things because all my white friends go to tanning beds wanting to look like make so i take it as a compliment. a lot of my asian friends who are canadians, indian, pakistani etc, are all behind him. they love the man. i would not say that even supporters universally love him. there is a feeling of, come on, justin. the canadian papers are saying that people are not going to let this be a reason to throw him out of office. that does not mean he is going to win. it could add to others, is the issue. it won't on its own be enough. this is catastrophic and indefensible, but the timing is obviously designed to undermine him. he has got a month to recover, he is already moving
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on to talk about other issues. and the question is will the voters move on. we only have a week to recover, but we will be back next week with more dateline london and from all of us, thank you. goodbye. hello. although we had a son trying to start in the east of the uk, it is all change today with these weather fronts sat across the country with thundery showers followed by more persistent rain and yet more showers. the far north—east of scotla nd yet more showers. the far north—east of scotland might escape, but there are showers to come here they could be thundery with this band of rain
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following stretching through northern ireland to the south—east and brighter skies following but more showers potentially. the concerns we could have up to 30 millimetres of rain and localised flooding. still warm but not as it has been. the rain comes into scotla nd has been. the rain comes into scotland overnight and dries up for a time behind but it will still be relatively mild, a bit misty and murky first thing. we then have at next band knocking on the doors in the south—west, wales and northern ireland. but elsewhere, the mist clears, it should be a fairly decent day. more on the website.
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this is bbc news. the headlines at 12:00: jeremy corbyn says he'd serve a full term as prime minister if labour won the next general election — and plays down criticism of his leadership from a senior aide. i think he said that because he was extremely distressed at that point about whatever was going on in discussions within the office at that moment. labour sets out plans to replace ofsted with a new school inspection system, saying it's not fit for purpose. thomas cook is holding emergency talks as it tries to agree a rescue deal to prevent it from going bust. basically 500 or 600,000 tourists from all over the world. turkey,
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