hello, it's thursday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. in herfirst interview since those angry scenes in the commons last night, the labour mp paula sheriff describes the prime minister as a "bully" and accuses him of inciting hatred towards mps. do you believe the prime minister is making you and other mps less safe? with any shadow of a doubt, and i know the feeling is shared across the house. because that is a very strong claim to make.” the house. because that is a very strong claim to make. i stand by it 100%. i can stand here today, victoria, and tell you that i believe the prime minister is inciting hatred towards mps.

she calls on borisjohnson to make an apology to the comons today. that exclusive interview with paula sheriff coming straight after the news. figures just published show the take—up for all 13 routine vaccinations for the under fives has fallen in the past year. fiona doyle who runs a nursery and won't accept unvaccinated children, sophie dale, whose son levi who almost died after he got measles, and charlotte hannibal, who lost both her legs, the fingers on one hand, some of the her hearing and had to have a kidney transplant, after she got meningitis. and music producer naughty boy speaks exclusively to our programme about his mum's dementia diagnosis — she was only diagnosed last week — and how his music helps

the family cope. i should talk about this more because it is my truth, and so is music, but, ithink because it is my truth, and so is music, but, i think my next body of work, album, will be my best body of work, album, will be my best body of work ever and i think my mum has helped to re—inspire me to think about why i make music. hello. we're live until 11 this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. we have an interview with the labour mp paula sheriff coming up who made an emotional intervention last night

and it's her first an emotional intervention last night and it's herfirst interview an emotional intervention last night and it's her first interview since those pretty ugly scenes in the commons, so stay tuned for that. first annita mcveigh has the news. a number of senior conservative mps have urged borisjohnson to moderate his language, after he was criticised for accusing his opponents of "sabotage" during a heated debate in the commons. there was particular anger at the prime minister's reply to a question about the murdered mp jo cox. speaking in the last few minutes the speaker of the housejohn bercow described the atmosphere in the debate last night as the worst he'd seen. there was an atmosphere in the chamber worse than any i have known in my 22 years in the house. on both sides, passions were inflamed. and angry words were uttered. and the

culture was toxic. and in herfirst interview since extraordinary angry scenes in the commons last night, we'll hear from the labour mp paula sheriff. donald trump has condemened the impeachment proceedings against him as "a big hoax". mr trump has been accused of putting pressure on his ukrainian counterpart to set up a corruption investigation into the democratic presidential hopeful, joe biden. mr trump says details of a phone conversation between the two leaders prove he's done nothing wrong. but democrats are calling for the original whistle—blower complaint to be made public. prince harry has paid tribute to the teenage campaigner greta thunberg and warned that the world is facing a climate emergency. prince harry who has been recently criticised for his use of private jets was speaking in botswana on his tour of southern africa. he said he didn't understand how anyone could deny the science around climate change. this week, led by greta thunberg, the world children are striking. it

isa the world children are striking. it is a race against time, and one we are losing and everybody knows it. there is no excuse for not knowing that in the most troubling part of it is that in the most troubling part of itisi that in the most troubling part of it is i don't believe there is anybody in this world that can deny science. undeniable science and fa cts , science. undeniable science and facts, science and facts that have been around for the last 30 may be 40 been around for the last 30 may be a0 yea rs. sales of alcohol in scotland's shops fell by almost eight per cent after it introduced minimum unit pricing — that's according to a new study. since may 2018, the price of alcohol has had to be at least 50 pence per unit which means a half litre can of super strength beer must cost at least £2.25. the study for the british medical journal found the impact was around twice that predicted ahead of the move. more than one in four secondary school pupils in england and wales have a private tutor, new research shows. children from wealthier homes are significantly more likely to have extra help according

to the sutton trust report. the social mobility charity is calling on the government to introduce means—tested vouchers to help lower—income families access private tuition. a department for education spokesperson said £2.4 billion had been invested through pupil premium schemes this year. abortion has been decriminalised across australia after the last remaining state where it was illegal, new south wales voted to reform its laws. politicians debated for a0 hours before voting to overturn a law which had stood for 119 years and had been criticised by opponents as out of date. terminations up to 22 weeks will now be allowed as well as later abortions if two doctors agree. that is a summary of the new so far. back to you, victoria. ugly toxic language, a poisonous atmosphere, mps in tears, a pm who seemed to dismiss a labour mp‘s concerns about death threats made against her with the word ‘humbug' before claiming that the best way to honour the memory of the murdered labour mp jo cox

was to deliver brexit. we have an exlcusive interivew with paula sheriff that labour mp in a moment. she tells us she beleives bj is making mps less safe and describes him as a ‘bully‘. she says she beleives another mp could be killed. also, in a new low — the leader of the liberal democrats jo swinson revealed that she had reported to the police a threat against her child. and in case you missed it, when the pm was asked directly last night in the commons — if he would comply with the new emergency no deal legislation which requires him to ask the eu to delay brexit after oct 31 if parliament hasn't approved either a deal or hasnt approved no deal — he said ‘no'. here's some of what happened in the commons last night. we should not resort to using offensive, dangerous and inflammatory language for legislation we do not like. and we stand here under the shield of our departed friend, who many of us in

this place subject to abuse and death threats every single day. and let me tell the prime minister that they often quote his word, surrender act, betrayal, traitor and ifor one i'm sick of it. we must moderate our language, and it has to come from the prime minister first. language, and it has to come from the prime ministerfirst. so i will be interested in hearing his opinion. you should be absolutely ashamed of himself. i think, mr speaker, i have to tell you, mr speaker, i have to tell you, mr speaker, i have never heard such humbug in all my life. the reality is... as the woman who has taken over a seat that was left by our dear friend jo cox, can i ask him, in all honesty, as a human being, please, please, will he, going

forward , please, please, will he, going forward, moderate his language so that we will all feel secure when we are going about ourjobs? the government if they were asked would they bring forward the domestic abuse bill now that parliament has resumed, and they dismissed those requests. and we have had the comments made by the honourable gentleman for dewsbury, recalling jo cox and the threats that mps face on a daily basis, and may i add that today i have reported to the police a threat against my child. that has been dismissed as humbug. mr speaker, this is a disgraceful state of affairs and we must be able to find a way to conduct ourselves better. i'm 62 and i've been around and i've seen quite a lot of stuff in my life. it takes a lot to reduce this honourable member to tears. and it gives me no pleasure saying that,

but i am not alone tonight. there are others who i believe who have left the estate, such has been the distress and i merely say to everybody in this place, but most notably to those who hold the highest of offices in this the most peculiar and extraordinary political times, the language that is used is incredibly important. well, in herfirst interview since those scenes in the commons last night, labour mp paula sherriff told us she believes the pm is "inciting hatred towards mps" and she is asking for an apology today. i asked first if she'd been intending to make her intervention in the commons last night. i hadn't intended to speak and i just went in to listen to what the prime minister had to say, and

during the course of the debate i became so frustrated by the language she was using. it was so inflammatory and i was sitting amongst many mps, many female mps, and the feelings were palpable in terms of how people felt about the language he was using, this language of surrender act, capitulation, betrayal. and i just of surrender act, capitulation, betrayal. and ijust felt like i had to get up and say something and it very much, i wrote a few notes, but it very much came from the heart. when the prime minister heard what you said, he appeared to casually dismiss your concerns about death threats by using the word humbug, which means false and deceptive. how did you respond to that? utter horror. and, to be honest, just pure disgust that this man who purports to be our prime minister should dismiss concerns about somebody who

is talking about threats to mps, and this isn't just labour mps, is talking about threats to mps, and this isn'tjust labour mps, this is collea g u es this isn'tjust labour mps, this is colleagues across the house and of course we talk about it in the tea rooms, in meetings, and people are actually really frightened. and for him to be so ambivalent, at best, but almost just treating it like a joke, particularly in light of some of the things we have seen in the last few years, some of the threats and incidents that have occurred, it was absolutely horrific and it demeans the office of prime minister. do you believe the prime minister. do you believe the prime minister is making you and other mps less safe 7 minister is making you and other mps less safe? without a shadow of a doubt and less safe? without a shadow of a doubtandi less safe? without a shadow of a doubt and i know the feeling is shared across the house. because thatis shared across the house. because that is a very strong claim to make. i stand by it 100%. i can stand here today, victoria, and tell you that i

believe that the prime minister is inciting hatred towards mps. and i understand the importance of saying that. don't get me wrong. i don't say that lightly. but i know that feeling is shared by many of us, and not just the labour feeling is shared by many of us, and notjust the labour party. indeed, on my way in this morning i've been stopped by two tory mps who approached me and said that they supported me unequivocally and that i had huge support across the house. do you feel sometimes, and perhaps other mps as well, that you are almost literally fighting for your life? sometimes. yes. seriously? yes. that is the reality, of course, and let's be absolutely clear. we

are not, as some people would call us, snowflakes, we are tough, we are resilient and we have to be to get here in politics today is. it isn't easy to become an mp. we are not weak, but when you have constant abuse every single day of your life and the vast majority of abuse levelled at us is untrue and unnecessary, then of course it's bound to have an impact on what you do on bound to have an impact on what you doona bound to have an impact on what you do on a day to day basis. do you fear that someone, another mp could be attacked or even killed? yes. it pains me to say that, and let me be clear, iam not pains me to say that, and let me be clear, i am not scaremongering. pains me to say that, and let me be clear, iam not scaremongering. this morning, i reiterate, a female mp, not a labour party mp, has come up

to me and said that we need to do something. , were not sure what at the moment but i thinkjeremy corbyn showed great leadership last night at the end of the session in the chamber when he said to the speaker, he asked mr speaker to convene a meeting of all the party leaders as early as today so they can get together, release a statement and discuss a strategy going forward because things are very, very toxic at the moment and i understand the brexit debate is very contentious and divisive, and to a degree i understand why people are frustrated with mps, but threatening violence, abuse is not the answer. is this on all sides of the house? you've just talked about the potential for party leaders coming together for a meeting, and the conservative party chairman james cleverly suggested this morning other mps should look at their language, it's notjust conservatives. the prime minister has been called a tinpot dictator, people have been called racist,

leading tories tweeted i did not hear a squeak out of those people whenjohn mcdonnell said hear a squeak out of those people when john mcdonnell said people should lynch the bitch when talking about a female conservative mp. should lynch the bitch when talking about a female conservative mpi think everybody to moderate their lang which. bad behaviour is not exclusive to conservative mps, that's something i recognise —— language. but i have to say it saddens me greatly to see some of the response from some government mps, both last night and this morning. simon clark, a middlesbrough conservative mp, his response, and he's just middlesbrough conservative mp, his response, and he'sjust become middlesbrough conservative mp, his response, and he's just become a minister, his response was frankly apparent. i saw what he tweeted and i will show it to the audience. he isa i will show it to the audience. he is a treasury minister, conservative mp and he read tweeted a photo of yourself and your labour colleague barry shearman in mid—flow in your interventions in the commons

yesterday and these were his words, this is the face of the labour party today. utterly toxic. what do you say to that? it makes me sick. instead of addressing the issue i was talking about, the fact that mps we re was talking about, the fact that mps were getting threats and we were worried there would be an attack of some sort, and really treating it in maturely. i some sort, and really treating it in matu rely. i absolutely some sort, and really treating it in maturely. i absolutely recognise and i've had this conversation with a number of conservative mps that it is something that we all need to reflect on, and i absolutely accept that. this is necessarily a partisan argument. but to put something like that, well, ithink argument. but to put something like that, well, i think it says more about him than it does about me. i have a couple more questions for you andi have a couple more questions for you and i know you have to go and vote ina and i know you have to go and vote in a moment. the prime minister said that the best way to honourjo cox's memory, your murdered labour colleague, to honour her memory was to get brexit done. is he right? gosh. i think we need to move on, it's clear, and i do agree with

something that the ex secretary of state said yesterday when he said during the broadcast interview that perhaps all 650 of us should be locked in there until essentially white smoke comes out and we get this resolved but to frame that in the way he did was sick. my thoughts go out to the family ofjo cox's family, her amazing family, go out to the family ofjo cox's family, heramazing family, because this me —— must be absolutely horrific for them and i send them all my love from the bottom of my heart. is it true that one female mp has come up to you since last night and said, as a result of what happened in the commons last night they are not going to stand at the next general election? yes. and is that a labour or conservative mp? i'd really rather respect their confidence, if you don't mind. but are you saying that they said it was

absolutely because of what happened in the commons last night? yes. and how do you react to that. it's sad. it's really, really sad. what sort of message are we sending to the next generation, victoria? and when we have a prime minister who responds to a heartfelt plea from a female mp about threats and asks, andi female mp about threats and asks, and i accept, emotionally, to dial down the hate and then say he'd never heard such humbug. what message are we sending out to the mother of parliaments? he needs to reflect on his behaviour and i wish he had come along today and apologise and i would respect in much more if he had reflected overnight on the way he behaved. i don't anticipate him doing that, frankly, because i think what is absolutely clear is that all of this behaviour, his words, his demeanour, it is absolutely deliberate. it's straight out of the steve bannon

playbook and it's all designed to set upa playbook and it's all designed to set up a people versus parliament argument. finally, iwonder set up a people versus parliament argument. finally, i wonder if you could tell our audience about some of the threats, violent threats and death threats, that you have had. yes. i have had threats of rape, threats that i should be murdered and have my head chopped off, my days are numbered. and on and on and on. the abuse comes every single day. thankfully, the death threats don't. there was a period early in the year when i did receive a number but thankfully not so many of late, but thankfully not so many of late, but the abuse comes every single day and last night as a result of what happened yesterday, although i received a huge amount of support, and the majority of messages, the overwhelming majority of communications i received were supportive, including from many conservative voters and people who weren't necessarily affiliated to

the labour party, but equally i received some horrific abuse last night, much of it misogynistic language and that is just really, really sad and we need, and i cannot stress this enough, that we urgently need to dial down the rhetoric and it sounds very cliched, but we do have far more in common, so let's try and resolve this in a way that doesn't make people fearful for their safety, whether that be mps or members of the public. and would you consider standing down at the next election because of the toxic atmosphere in politics in this country at the moment? never, no, because that's what they want and i won't let them win. i will fight this with every breath in my body, because i am a fighter, a born fighter, and i will not let these bullies win. and i include the prime

minister when i say bullies. thank you so much for talking to us this morning. we really appreciate it. thank you. let me read some of your messages. david said last night made messages. david said last night made me aware that borisjohnson is a very clever bully people will hopefully not be taken in by his antics. he must realise he is a leader and show this by example, which doesn't say much for those people who support him. shirley says, for pete sake, will you leave borisjohnson alone. he said nothing wrong. there are many trying to reverse the democratic choice of the people. robert e—mails to say parliamentary debate hit an all—time yesterday and sue says i watched the whole of the commons debate and i thought boris johnson whole of the commons debate and i thought borisjohnson was painted in a very bad light. paula sheriff was emotional but out of her depth when she attacked borisjohnson verbally herself and stop the bbc is again doing its best to belittle the prime minister. the word surrender was only used in conjunction with the anti—no deal bill. let's talk to harriet baldwin.

she is a conservative mp. thank you for coming on the programme this morning. do you agree that the prime minister is a bully? i sat through yesterday's debate, almost all of them, and it was a wall of invective from the opposition benches, right from the get go when the attorney general was first up and i thought that words like tinpot dictator, the words, booing and things like clapping. i think under a new speaker to stop some of this behaviour. i'm going to interrupt you, because clapping or booing doesn't necessarily make mps feel frightened for their lives, but some of the language used in the commons last night according to paula sheriff guys. is the prime minister a bully? . ithink paula sheriff guys. is the prime

minister a bully? . i think we all need to moderate our language. from a cross party perspective, there is agreement that we all need to moderate our language and i think what was very clear, and i'm not defending any of this bad language, i'm just saying there was a wall of invective from the opposition benches that people had come back to parliament just to hurl benches that people had come back to parliamentjust to hurl insults and i think personally the way we can move forward is to find a deal that helps us, and i would be happy to debate how we move forward and paula was absolutely right on that. can i also say... can i also say myself to people of that unhappy with the prime minister they have the opportunity today to table a vote of no confidence. and that was widened to every party and they didn't and

therefore that way of unlocking this difficulty in parliaments by having a general election has been closed off. i am going to pause you now. do you believe your prime minister is a bully? i think that he is trying against a range of different forces to deliver on the result of the referendum. i think there is a way forward to a deal here, a deal that will heal all these tensions. why can't you say, harriett baldwin, that you don't think your prime minister is a bully if that is what you feel? because it is so obvious. well, say it then. i strongly want him to succeed in these negotiations so we can support a deal that heals. i'm sorry to interrupt, but let me hear you say that i don't think my prime minister boris johnson hear you say that i don't think my prime minister borisjohnson is a bully. fine. i thought prime minister borisjohnson is a bully. fine. ithought that prime minister borisjohnson is a bully. fine. i thought that the atmosphere widely was absolutely ghastly yesterday and we need all of

us ghastly yesterday and we need all of us to agree to move on from that kind of hostile rhetoric to something that is constructive, grown—up and finds a way either to heal things through a deal or to heal things through a deal or to heal things through a deal or to heal things by asking the people. understood. i hear that. what did you think when you heard the prime minister apparently casually dismiss what paula sherriff had said regarding her concerns over death threats to herd with the use of the word humbug? well, i thought a different response would have been more appropriate. what should he have said? i won't put words in the prime minister's mouth. but i thought brendan cox was speaking for all of us when he said we all need to move away from the hostile words on all of the sides of this debate. iam on all of the sides of this debate. i am advocating for the healing probe —— process of being able to find a deal that allows us to leave

the european union in a smooth and orderly way. and my words, which i can be held accountable for, i will continue to articulate us doing that, either through finding a way through the deal or to ask the people in a general election what they want to achieve. does the language being used in society and in the house of commons and public discourse right now make you as an mp feel less safe, as paula sherriff said? i'm not going to say that about myself. i'm very fortunate that we have wonderful support from west murcia police and i personally accept that when we get into the rough—and—tumble of politics there will be vigorous debates and i've never feared for my personal safety. i think there are a lot of threats that are thrown around, particularly on social media, anonymous trolls as it were, but i'm fortunate in that i can be one of those people that

those kind of words do not hurt me, but i do agree with brendan cox this morning that we need to choose our words carefully and we need to do that on all sides, and we need to resolve this, not by hurling insults at each other but by healing with a deal. paula sherriff told us that one mp told her last night that she would not be standing at the next election because of what happened in the commons last night. how do you react to that? well i'm not going to kid you, i thought it was very dispiriting yesterday. i sat there andi dispiriting yesterday. i sat there and i thought, this is my workplace, i really don't feel this is at all pleasa nt i really don't feel this is at all pleasant and i'm surrounded by collea g u es pleasant and i'm surrounded by colleagues who have been thrown out of my party. it is horrible. we do need to find a way forward, to heal things through finding a deal, and if parliament is not prepared to do that then they need to agree to having a general election. and would you ask your prime minister, are you

going to ask your prime minister, to stop calling the anti—no deal legislation the surrender act, or is that working with the public?” think that particular phrase is quite a clear phrase which does articulate for the public what has happened. but it is inflammatory. it isa happened. but it is inflammatory. it is a piece of legislation i didn't wa nt to is a piece of legislation i didn't want to go through. i don't think it was particularly inflammatory. what i thought was inflammatory was talk of locking them up, jail, tinpot dictator. it's the language of war. i'm just going to say that in terms of moving forward, we all need to agree with brendan cox and find a way to heal with a deal. thank you very much, harriet baldwin. we appreciate your time. do send us your views. and you can use the hashtag if you are tweeting. kevin on the e—mail

says one wouldn't tolerate abuse and any other profession. and a manager dismissing any complaints of abuse would be reprimanded, so to shun it as humbug is unpardonable. john says this, if these mentally weak female mps cannot stand the heat then they should resign and get another life. but the behaviour of all the mps in the house needs to change. stuart says there is no excuse for death threats against anyone and the full force of the law should be brought down on those doing so. and danny says, whilst i do not approve anybody abusing politicians, what did you think would happen when you ignored the vote? the way labour and the other remainers ganged up on the prime minister was nothing short of shameful. keep them coming in. next. sophie dale's son levi almost died after he got measles. we'll talk to him in a minute — along with a nursery owner who won't allow kids in her nursery unless they've been vaccinated.

new figures just out this morning suggest coverage in england of all 13 routine childhood vaccinations for the under—fives has fallen in the past year, as has uptake of the mmr vaccine, which fell for a fifth year in a row. so should — as some experts say — vaccinations be compulsory for children before they start primary school? let's ask fiona doyle, who runs a nursery in london and says she won't accept children who aren't vaccinated. sophie dale, whose son wasn't vaccinated in time when he was 11 months old and almost died of a number of preventable diseases including measles. charlotte hannibal lost both her legs, the fingers on one hand, some of her hearing and had to have a kidney transplant, after contracting meningitis at university — despite being vaccinated. and helen lampard stokes is chair of the royal college of gps and is a practising gp. welcome. sophie, why did you have

doubts initially about getting your son vaccinated? i heard a lot of negative implications from vaccines through third parties. my mum was worried about it. what did she say? a friend of a friend's son stop talking when he got the mmr and stayed that brain age. stories you read on social media about children getting autism and suddenly their personality changes. you knew that was not true, right? not really, i was not true, right? not really, i was scared and not sure what to do. you were about to get him vaccinated. and you had made that decision. hello, hello, gorgeous. you were about to get in vaccinated when he became ill. he was 11 and a half months. we had been christmas shopping. i woke up and noticed he had a rash on his feet. when i

changed his nappy, it covered the whole of his body. we went to an out of hours doctor where they said it was viral. the next day, it was going a brown colour. his skin? yes, soi going a brown colour. his skin? yes, so i took him to my gp and they sent us so i took him to my gp and they sent us toa so i took him to my gp and they sent us to a and so i took him to my gp and they sent us toaand e so i took him to my gp and they sent us to a and e and clinically diagnosed him with measles. we got sent home. 12 days later he went floppy. he had a temperature of 40.6 and could not get it down with calpol. my mum and i called an ambulance, after he had a convulsion. they blew lighted him by ambulance with suspected sepsis. he was treated for meningitis and nkf are lightest and sepsis and was transferred from there tojohn radcliffe. —— encephalitis. and he had secondary infections from the measles that caused his body and immune system to shut down. the

stress for you and him. he missed his first birthday, as well. his first birthday was attached to machines. when you hear parents are against vaccinations, still. it has fallen again, figures showed today, which is worrying. what do you think? i think it is ridiculous people are not vaccinating. all i can say to parents who do not vaccinate is imagine if i had chosen not to vaccinate levi and that had happened, i would not to vaccinate levi and that had happened, iwould not not to vaccinate levi and that had happened, i would not have forgiven myself. i am lucky i did not make that decision. nothing i could have done would have prevented that but living with that afterwards would have been horrific, especially if it had been worse. i will read a statement from the department of health in a second. charlotte, good morning to you. within 48 hours of

you getting certain symptoms, you we re you getting certain symptoms, you were in hospital. what happened? on the monday morning, it was symptoms like influenza, a sore throat, feeling sick. i had a headache. they escalated and got worse. that was the sign to be looking for, when things did not get better over 24 hours. i sought medical help, thanks to my parents, and by wednesday evening i was being put to sleep in a medical coma said they could treat me properly. at that point, they had no idea what illness i had. that was a huge question mark, even though i was getting help. my parents were told i might not make it through the night and told i might not make it through the nightand might told i might not make it through the night and might not see the morning. it is frustrating to hear people, when they have the option to have the vaccination and choose not to. i was not lucky enough to be in that position. you had had the

vaccination? i did not. iwas in hospital in february and the vaccination that could have prevented by cause of meningitis was rolled out in august so the timing was not right. i missed it by a hair. could you explain, clearly you survived, but you lost limbs. explain what happened. after effects of meningitis vary widely and depending on what type and strain. i ended up with both legs amputated below the knee. all my fingers of my left hand. i have severe scarring all over my body. the biggest challenge for me is kidney failure. it has meant kidney transplants, dialysis, which is the most uncertain thing i am left with. amputations are consistent and i can deal with that but the chronic illness gets to me. and hearing loss

ideal with but luckily the nhs provides you with hearing aids and that bliss. your attitude and approach is an rubble. i am going to bring in fiona. good morning. tell the —— is admirable. what do you think? i think it is a case of social responsibility. it seems like common sense to me. when you tell pa rents common sense to me. when you tell parents your child needs to be vaccinated, if they have not been vaccinated, if they have not been vaccinated, what is the reaction? so far, that has not happened. do you ask for proof? yes, everybody has a red book and i checked. if a parent says i do not believe in vaccinations, i will say that it is your choice but there are consequences, which is you do not come to my nursery. falling

childhood vaccination rates are unacceptable and everyone has a role to play in halting the decline. devastating diseases can and will resurface. we need to be bold and i will not rule out action so every child is protected, that is the department of health. as a practising gp we see the consequences of children without vaccines. we want every child vaccinated properly and we want every pa rent vaccinated properly and we want every parent to have access to simple, honest, evidence—based information so this propaganda can be put to bed. we want the social media companies to take responsibility and help us to eradicate the damaging and misleading information. we want every professional to offer vaccination to any parent who says i did not have my child vaccinated at the right time but want to do it now. would you support government

action, quoting matt hancock, to make sure every child is protected. he said he will not rule out action to ensure every child is protected. we will work with the government. so far mandatory vaccination has not been brought in. if we had to, we would do it. right now we believe we need evidence so people could have choice. we want people to choose to do the right thing. why do you want them to have a choice when not going for vaccination is wrong? any system will have an... i am sorry, any mandatory system has a conscientious objection because so people will still fight to come out of it and there will be a backlash. you think if you make it mandatory it is easier but there is complexity around that. you know this and you know this. the evidence is clear. clear cut. why is choice the right

thing? we are a nation that believes in free choice and when you mandate anything you get a backlash, the same way we mandated seat belt wearing, there was a backlash from some sectors. vaccination saves lives and has done so. there is a lwa ys lives and has done so. there is always an unintended consequence when you mandate anything. if that is what we decide we support it. we wa nt is what we decide we support it. we want the best for children. would you support it being mandatory or ta ke you support it being mandatory or take on that it can lead to a backlash and make parents feel not empowered? it should be mandatory because myself, having that feeling of being so scared to get it done. knowing i don't have that choice and it will happen anyway. you have to do it, instead of giving people that choice when they do nothing. that is the worst thing you could do, to do nothing. when you get so overwhelmed, the first decision like

that you might go i will ignore that letter. and if it was mandatory, then herd immunity. levi, i don't know where he got it from, but it might not have happened. it might have come from a child not vaccinated. charlotte, would you support that? i think i would. there is an element of ethics. you have to think about the children who might not be allowed a vaccine for health reasons and you have to consider herd immunity and protecting everybody. having the vaccine helps you and the people you are interacting with. that is something parents should be aware of. it is about information and making sure everyone has resources to ensure they make the best decision. would you support mandatory vaccination? 100%. it is the government's responsibility to ensure the safety of children, which is why we have

safeguarding, social services, to look after children when parents choose not to all connected. it is under the same umbrella. anna said she has a three—month—old who will have her 16 week's immunisations next week and she is going to get her vaccinated for mmr and others when she is one. how can i protect her until then because it is not possible to avoid public places. what would you say? the mmr, there isa what would you say? the mmr, there is a natural immunity that deteriorates over the first year so the decision to vaccinate at one is based on the natural immunity waning. the risk is children at 11 months, 10—12 months, whose natural immunity has waned faster are more at risk so be careful if you are in an area where measles and mumps are circulating. be careful with hygiene. viruses spread easily.

washing your hands. respiratory viruses, contact viruses, hand washing and basic hygiene. thank you. a committee that scrutinises the london mayor's spending has given borisjohnson 14 days to give more details of his relationship with the american businesswoman jennifer arcuri, after allegations over trade missions she went on while he was mayor. that is mrjohnson was mayor. the government said he had no role in awarding grants to the businesswoman. tom copley is a labour member of the london assembly's oversight committee and joins me in the studio. what is it you want to know from mr johnson? we have written to him giving him 14 days to respond to questions. we want to know about details, timeline, of his dealings withjennifer arcuri. we details, timeline, of his dealings

with jennifer arcuri. we want details, timeline, of his dealings withjennifer arcuri. we want him to address the issue of disclosure because under the code of conduct the mayor and london assembly member sign, you have to disclose personal interests and ensure any co nflict—of— i nterest interests and ensure any conflict—of—interest is dealt with. jennifer arcuri's presence on the trips was not disclosed, including in response to a formal written question. what do you read into that? it looks like he has something to hide. it is notjust about the reality of propriety, it is how things look. boris johnson reality of propriety, it is how things look. borisjohnson i think has form when it comes to being lax about these things and there are questions about his own dishonesty. this is the man who... he said everything was done entirely in the proper way when it comes to awarding gra nts proper way when it comes to awarding grants and the presence ofjennifer arcuri on these missions. why is it alleged he overruled city hall

officers in orderfor her to come on the trips. you do not know. why did he not disclose the information which is why we are writing to him and we will look at his response before we take further action. james cleverly was on the radio this morning, chairman of the conservative party, who said it was none of your business because he is none of your business because he is no longer mayor of london and does not have to do anything you demand. i listen to james cleverly this morning. he would be right about any other national politician but mr johnson is a former mayor of london and as the london assembly we have a right and duty to scrutinise him. he was factually wrong. i need to correct him. i knowjames. i like him. but he is factually wrong wedding comes to this issue. section 61 of the greater london authority act, we have the power of summons overformer act, we have the power of summons over former mayors of london for up

to eight years. you can force the prime minister to come and talk to you? what prime minister to come and talk to you ? what is prime minister to come and talk to you? what is power of summons?m means we can issue a notice he must appear before us to answer questions and failure to do so is a criminal offence. it carries either a fine, orup to offence. it carries either a fine, or up to three months in prison. it isa or up to three months in prison. it is a serious issue and i know boris johnson sometimes thinks the rules do not apply to him, but there could be serious consequences if we issued a summons and he failed to adhere to it. if one's friend runs a business it. if one's friend runs a business it does not preclude them going on a trade visit abroad? it does not preclude them but the point is about openness and transparency and making sure someone is not given an unfair advantage or access because they are advantage or access because they are a friend. it goes back to the question of what mrjohnson

allegedly overruling officers. her businesses apparently did not meet the threshold to go on the trips. if he overruled the officers because she was a friend that is inappropriate and i think the public would think so as well. is there not documentation at city hall, if the allegation about overruling is true? they would be an e—mail trail? we will be looking into this. the mayor himself has launched an investigation that will be led by the general council of the fire brigade. what does it have to do with the fire brigade? is an independent investigation, a senior legal person. we have requested sadiq khan share the information from the investigation with us. two investigations, it looks heavy—handed. investigations, it looks heavy-handed. it is a serious matter, i think. propriety in heavy-handed. it is a serious matter, ithink. propriety in public office. thank you.

he's best known for working with some of the uk's biggest music artists. and now in an exclusive interview with us for the first time, music producer naughty boy has spoken publicly about his mum's diagnosis with dementia — only diagnosed officialy last week. our reporter rachel stonehouse went to meet him and his mum. # running, running, running, running...# an international award—winning music producer, naughty boy has worked with some of the biggest stars, including beyonce, emeli sande and sam smith. # i'm covering my ears like a kid # when your words mean nothing, i go la la la...# it's a far cry from where shahid khan first started out at his parents‘ home in watford. hi, mummy. this is my mum. when i started playing the piano in school,

that's when i really got into it. shahid. cheering. and then i also applied for game show, deal or no deal. deal or no deal? and it was with this cash that he built his first studio. this is the garden shed where i made music for a few years. they used to keep their barbecue in there but i put it to better use than my dad did. now shahid has a new home with a new studio, not far from where he grew up. welcome to apple trees house and studio. i'll always have a garden studio. i like making music here. it feels very homely. thank you. i had a really fun session with craig david here. did you? who else did i have in here? black eyed peas did a really good late—night session here. but the real reason for this new home was not a creative one, but a family one instead. after the stroke, she wasn't able to swallow. she wasn't able to walk by herself. it really shook me up, just thinking, "mum's not ok." you know, she's the most

important person in my life. after a stroke in 2017, his family noticed a change in her mental state. and finally last week they received a diagnosis of vascular dementia. because mum's 66, i never thought... i thought you'd have to be really old to get dementia or you'd have to be alone or you'd have to be in a care home. but no, it's literally something that could happen to anyone at any time. i am very proud of my son. aw. oh, thank you. thank you, mummy. what's the hardest part, do you think? it's knowing that my mum's not the same woman that she was when, well, even a few years ago. mum was fully independent before the stroke. ready to cook? i'm ready. yes. this is how mum would cook. this is, you know, she's using the measurements she would use.

it's estimated dementia affects around 850,000 people in the uk. vascular dementia is the second most common type and affects around 150,000 people. it's caused by a reduced blood flow to the brain, often after a stroke. there's currently no cure, but certain lifestyle changes can help slow down the process. mum just wants to see. the emotion of what i'm going through, i'm able to now put that into songs. so i'm able to speak that side of my life, that truth into music. whereas for the last couple of years, i avoided it because i didn't want it to seem like, you know, i'm a victim or mum's a victim. but, yeah, merging mum's thing, like what i'm going through, with my music i think has helped me so much. it's got me to the point where i'm finishing my album. it's like, it's nearly done. the tomatoes are still a bit too big.

i should talk more about this, because it's my truth. and so is music, but i think, yeah, i think my next body of work, my album, i think it's going to be my best body of work ever. and i think mum has helped to re—inspire me to think, why do i make music? has he done a good job. mummy! is that 0k? yeah? it's a good job? yeah. for naughty boy and his family, its music that has made a huge difference. i'm so lucky that i've got a passion that is music. but now i understand mum's condition, you know, i use music as a tool to make her happy. the songs that she listened to in the ‘60s and ‘70s, if ijust played that randomly, there would just be a smile on herface. she sings. that's her favourite. she's singing it.

even the thought of the song. she sings. my experiences of the last two years... for shahid, opening up and showing his vulnerability is key to the new music he's working on. just make sure you live. make sure you do the things that give you life. you know? because life's too short. great. i'd love to... i'll give you a little taster. ..have a little taster, yeah. it'll be out soon i think — end of october or november. and it's called live before i die. it's literally how i've been feeling over the last couple of years, and i think it's inspirational. and that's the kind of music i've always made and want to continue to make. has your mum heard any of that? yeah. i played it to her the other day and she loved it.

did she? but then, you know, if i say this my next single, she just always says, "oh, it's going to be number one!" so, yeah, but i like it when she says that. we had hope to talk to naughty boy live in the studio but he is ten minutes away. we will talk to him and put it on social media. the us democratic presidential hopeful, joe biden, has said congress must hold donald trump to account, following the start of impeachment proceedings against the president. he tweeted saying "donald trump pressured ukraine to manufacture a smear against a domestic political opponent... this comes after mr trump spoke out about the investigation. last night at the united nations general assembly he said he fully

supported transparency but denied any wrongdoing. i didn't threaten anybody. in fact, the press was asking questions of the president of ukraine and he said, "no pressure." i use the word "pressure". i think he used the word "push", but he meant pressure, but it's the same thing. no push, no pressure, no nothing. it's all a hoax, folks. it's all a big hoax. let's get more on this now. natasha lindstaedt a professor of government from the university of essex and joins us from colchester. how do you respond to donald trump ‘s press conference last night? how do you respond to donald trump 's press conference last night? it's very predictable to how he tends to respond to things. he was more subdued than normal. he tends to act as if he has done absolutely nothing wrong and then he attacks the media

and democrats and says it's a witchhunt. on the one hand he denies there is anything that happened and then he will say, i'm allowed to do this. it is typical donald trump. on a scale of one to ten, ten being terrible, how damning or otherwise is the phone call from donald trump to the ukrainian president? this is pretty bad. i think it is about a ten. to illustrate the difference of what happened in this case than from 2016, in this case donald trump initiated the collusion. he was directly involved, not his aides. he knows what collusion is. he wasn't a candidate, he was the president. he was asking ukraine to do him a favour and though he did not do an

explicit quid pro quo he insinuated they would get military aid owed if they would get military aid owed if they did him this favour and he was clear it was about investigating his opponent. this is a clear case of abuse of power of the president using their power to undermine that credibility. explain in terms of the impeachment process, being able to proceed, what are the practicalities? how does it go forward ? practicalities? how does it go forward? there are already six investigations and they will continue but now it will be up to the housejudiciary committee to hold a quasi judicial proceeding. after that, they will have to name an article of impeachment which is likely to be abuse of power and then they vote on that and if it passes with a majority, it will go to the senate and in the senate, it is like a trial and the trial will be

presided over by the chiefjustice and then there will be discussion and then there will be discussion and then there will be discussion and then they will need a two thirds majority to convict. no president has been convicted but two presidents have been impeached before by the house. thank you. thanks for your messages, so many about the interview with paula sherriff, you can go to the website if you missed it. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. have a good day. we had heavy rain this morning which is clearing towards the east and it has left us with some pretty cloud scapes. shower clouds moving through and a rainbow in north yorkshire.

continuing with sunny spells this afternoon. shower is mainly across western areas and some drifting east. they could be on the heavy side, particularly in parts of scotla nd side, particularly in parts of scotland and northern ireland this afternoon. through this evening and night, continuing with the showers. much more of them coming in from the south—west. into wales, the north west of england in the early part of friday. as we go through friday, some showers or longer spells of rain moving across most parts. some bright or sunny spells and more rainbows and the prospect. maximum temperatures down a little from today. goodbye.

you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's11am and these are the main stories this morning: come on, come on, then! borisjohnson is accused of using dangerous language following heated scenes in the house of commons last night. the husband of the murdered mp, jo cox speaks out. this stuff is not only wrong, because actually, on both sides of the debate, people are just trying to do what they think is right for the country, but it's also dangerous. it creates an environment where the sort of thing that happened tojo becomes more likely. there was an atmosphere in the chamber worse