hello — it's monday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. cocaine and alcohol — a "deadly combination" which can increase violent and impulsive behaviour. this programme has discovered at least 13 "self—inflicted" deaths occured in a year after the two were mixed. this dad tells us his son logan fell from a cliff after taking both together. do you think alcohol and cocaine killed logan? yes, 100%. to mix a stimulant with a depressant, which is what you're doing, it muddles your brain up completely and you just don't know where you are.

the tory party conference is under way and the pm has had to defend his relationship with american tech entrepreneur jennifer arcuri, and has been forced to deny that he groped a female journalist's leg at a lunch 20 years ago. look, the prime minister has been clear those allegations are completely untrue and, from my part, i'm not going to get drawn into these kinds of personal allegations. sir nicholas soames is here — he's a friend of borisjohnson but voted against him on brexit so was chucked out of the party. and we'll speak to the leader of welsh party plaid cymru who says they're considering trying to impeach the pm. and, women who suffer heart attacks are dying needlessly, beccause their symptoms aren't recognised, according to a new report. shernaz‘s heart is seriously damaged because her heart attack wasn't recognised. we will speak to her in the next hour.

hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag victoria live. regarding the allegations surrounding boris johnson and regarding the allegations surrounding borisjohnson and a journalist called charlotte edwardes, someone says that men who ta ke edwardes, someone says that men who take part in casual abuse like this cannot remember it, the same cannot be the same for the women on the receiving end. and another says, why come out now about this? it was 20 years ago. if it were me i would not wait to complain. the prime minister denies the allegations that he squeezed the inner thigh ofjournalist charlotte edwardes at a lunch in the late 19905. first, carrie gracie has the news. ministers will attempt to focus

attention on spending pledges — on the second day of the conservative party conference in manchester. the chancellor sajid javid is promising an ‘infrastructure revolution‘ with investment in roads buses and broadband. meanwhile, borisjohnson has been forced to defend himself against further allegations about his private life. doctors have told the victoria derbyshire programme that mixing cocaine and alcohol together creates a "deadly combination" which can increase violent and impulsive behaviour. this programme has found at least 13 self—inflicted deaths happened in one year in england among people who took the two substances together. alcohol and cocaine are very different pharmalogically. alcohol is a depressant, it makes us feel less anxious. you add cocaine into that mix and what you have is almost like a rocket—fuelled kind of increase with impulsivity which really perhaps gives people the driver to complete an act that they may not otherwise do. the health secretary, matt hancock, says he's "looking very seriously"

at making vaccinations compulsory for all school children in england. mr hancock told an event at the conservative party conference that he's worried by a rise in the number of measles cases, and has taken advice on how such a law could work. the national trust has launched a project to make its 500 historic sites dementia—friendly. working with the alzheimer's society charity, thousands of staff and volunteers will be given training in how to make their sites more welcoming to people with dementia. the project also aims to improve accessibility and upgrade facilities at national trust properties. chinese police have arrested a fugitive who'd been on the run for 17 years, after they used drones to spot his cave hideout. the 63—year old, named song jiang by the police, had been jailed for trafficking women and children but escaped from a prison camp in 2002. he had been living in a tiny cave cut off from human interaction for years.

that is our summary of the news. now, back to victoria. cocaine use has reached record levels — now doctors and coroners are warning that taking the class a drug with alcohol is a "deadly combination" which can increase violent and impulsive behaviour. this programme has found at least 13 self—inflicted deaths happened in one year in england among people who took the two substances together. a "self—inflicted" death is where a person is found hanging or has deliberately harmed themselves in some way. these figures include two love island contestants — mike thalassitis and sophie graydon — and the numbers are likely to be higher as there is currently no official recording of these type of deaths. 0ur reporter anna collinson has this exclusive film.

he was very smiley. he was very, very intelligent. 0ne you met him, you just fell in love with him straightaway. music: three lions (football's coming home). # it's coming, football's coming home. what? that's what i always like to say to people. i was so proud of him. i was so proud to be his sister. this is logan woolliscroft toasting a marshmallow and then giving it to his little sister. his family say, for a few months last summer, this kind and thoughtful logan disappeared. but, on the morning of the 21st of august, he was back. i was satjust doing my makeup. as i left, he told me that he loved me — and i can't remember the last time that he told me he loved me — and i never said it back to him. not that i can remember.

but i remember turning round and he used to do a little wave — he used to do that with hand. and he did that to me and i wasjust like, "right, bye." he said, "i'm proud of you." and i said, "yeah, i'm proud of you, too." and he said, "no, dad, listen to me — i'm proud of you. i want you to know i'm proud of you." a few hours later, steve found out logan had gone to a cliff near their home. steve went to find him. i found eight grams — empty bags, cocaine bags — disaronno. he'd poured that into some pepsi. the police asked me where i thought he was and ijust knew that he'd gone over. so i came home and had to tell tilly that her brother had died. um... which broke my heart.

cocaine was once only for the rich, but now it's affordable and accessible. recent home office figures show, last year, the numbers of people taking class a drugs in england and wales reached record levels — mainly due to young adults. academics and doctors say these are some of the reasons there's been a rise in the number of alcohol and cocaine—related deaths over the past two decades. 162 people died in england and wales last year. a leading pathologist has called the mixture of alcohol and cocaine a deadly combination. there are, of course, the health risks — increased heart rate and increased blood pressure. there's also the chance of increased risky or dangerous behaviour. research from the us suggests it could also increase the chance of suicide by 16 times. alcohol and cocaine are very different pharmacologically. alcohol is a depressant — it tends to kind of increase

the levels of gaba in the brain, which is like the brain's handbrake and is the thing that makes it an anxiolytic — it makes us feel less anxious. you add cocaine into that mix and what you have is almost like a rocket—fuelled kind of increasing impulsivity, which really perhaps gives people the driver to complete an act that they may not otherwise do. it's like crossing the road in front of a car speeding towards you. you make those kind of decisions. the victoria derbyshire programme has found there have recently been at least 13 self—inflicted deaths after alcohol and cocaine were taken. the majority of them were hangings. this includes the love island contestants mike thalassitis and sophie gradon. also, sophie's boyfriend, aaron armstrong, who took his own life just weeks after her. the trouble that we and academics

have found is there's currently no standardised statistics for these types of deaths. after consulting experts, we found these figures by searching through local and national media articles. it's thought the number of deaths could be even higher. we've been told the way coroners record their conclusions could be obscuring emerging trends in difficult cases. in the inquests we found where the deceased hanged themselves, a conclusion of suicide wasn't always recorded — narrative or open conclusions were instead. at one inquest, where a man hanged himself after taking alcohol and cocaine, the coroner recorded a narrative verdict, saying "the deceased took his own life while the balance of his mind was disturbed. it's unfortunate we're having more and more deaths of this nature." the ministry ofjustice says while coroners contribute to death statistics, it's not their legal function.

along with the 13 deaths we found, there were five more where cocaine and alcohol were consumed and suicide considered. the coroners concluded there wasn't enough evidence. one of those was logan. in the three months before his death, logan became increasingly volatile and depressed. the 21—year—old's family say he'd made some new friends and had started taking cocaine and drinking heavily. he left some notes for his family. the coroner said logan could have fallen while intoxicated. an open conclusion was recorded. do you think alcohol and cocaine killed logan? yes, 100%. to mix a stimulant with a depressant, which is what you're doing, it muddles your brain up completely and you just don't know where you are. some with mental—health problems may take cocaine and drink to self—medicate.

for others, the mixture can cause mental health issues. at the age of 30, paula reece was battling alcoholism. she began taking cocaine to curb her drinking. i couldn't have one line. i can never have one drink. and together? and together created that boom — the bomb in my mind. there was a sense of paranoia. there was a point where i used to feel like i was being recorded wherever i was. so i knew i was going a bit crazy, but i still didn't put down to the drugs and drink. ijust thought it was me going mad. and i used to unplug all the electrical equipment with green lights, because i was convinced that was cameras. i used to put my ear to the floor, because i thought people were underground. paula tried to take her own life on two occasions. those two drugs took me away from any sense of responsibility, any sense of reality.

i didn't think of any consequences. in fact, i didn't care. paula is now clean and works for recovery lighthouse. it's part of the ukat group of rehabs, which have seen alcohol and cocaine admissions double in four years. when you mix alcohol and cocaine together, the liver produces a substance called cocaethylene. it's thought this can lead to reckless behaviour, violent thoughts and the increased risk of suicide. however, the royal college of psychiatrists says other factors, like a person's genes and their environment, will also come into play and that more research is needed. we've had 28% funding cuts in the last five years. at the same time as we have this increase in usage, which seems really inexplicable to those of us working in the field. but our biggest concern, obviously, is the impact on the individual

and theirfamilies, because people often get into the habitual use of alcohol and then they add cocaine into that and it becomes a very toxic mix. the department of health says it's investing millions into suicide prevention, has commissioned an independent review of drugs and is setting up alcohol care teams in some hospitals. you can see the cliff where logan died from the woolliscrofts' garden. logan's cat occasionally meows when you say logan's name. when the family need an escape, they go to the garage where they keep logan's car. pretty much everything in here's revolved around logan. the woolliscrofts are now raising money to support mental health and suicide awareness services in the matlock area. they recently did a five—day, gruelling coast—to—coast bike ride, cycling nearly 200 miles.

it's kind of escapism for me. i'm listening to logan's playlist. and, you know, ijust pretend he's with me — behind me or something. he was just lovely and to think of something like this changing someone in such a drastic way, like a boy who had everything, like it just shows what it really can do to you. here to speak to us about this is nicola abraham — a coroner concluded her 24—year—old sonjacob died from suicide after he mixed alcohol and cocaine on a night out with his friends. nine months later, jacob's best friend took his own after having used alcohol and cocaine the night before. danny bennett experienced suicidal thoughts after mixing alcohol and cocaine. he's now clean — but at his worse, was taking 11 or 12

grams in one session. senior lecturer in addiction and mental health at university of york. ian hamilton says "you can now get hold of cocaine faster than a pizza". welcome all of you. nicola, when you watch how the woolliscroft family had to cope with the death of logan, how do you feel? it is heartbreaking,. a similar story to logan's as well. and sadly, we liaise with a lot of families, since jacob died, it is the same story re—occurring time and again. so, what we see about the 13 deaths is a very small fraction compared to what is really the extent of this problem. do you think it is much higher? much, much higher. we have seen it in south wales, we have been liaising with families in scotland

where there is the same issues and it leaves families absolutely devastated. it will be coming up to four years for us next week. it is, it is like a wrecking ball. it has gone right through our lives. it is just really unnecessary as well. unnecessary deaths and preventable. how was jacob in the weeks leading up how was jacob in the weeks leading up to his death? leading up to his death, he had not been out socialising with his friends for six weeks because he was very self—aware of what the cocaine and alcohol did together. previous to that, when he went out and drank alcohol, he took cocaine, andi went out and drank alcohol, he took cocaine, and i could see a big difference. the following day. it wasn't like your average hangover, it was a hangover that seemed to last for days and days. his normal behaviour, looking after yourself and going to the gym, going to work, that stopped. he would spend three

01’ that stopped. he would spend three orfour that stopped. he would spend three or four days that stopped. he would spend three orfour days in bed. that stopped. he would spend three or four days in bed. did you know he was drinking and taking cocaine?” had a feeling, ijust knew, like i said, it was more than the average hangover. the self—loathing, i think, that was the worst forjacob and that's what we could see. unknown to us, it was mainly around the money he had spent on it. you could easily have a week's salary in one night. how much would that be? £200, £300 in one night on cocaine. then, to feel like absolute held the next day. you have spent all of that money, working hard all week to feel like nothing on earth the next day. i could see that there was something that was a bit more than alcohol. i broached the subject with him and he said no. iwouldn't broached the subject with him and he said no. i wouldn't do anything like that. as a parent, we are a little ignorant and we don't want to believe our children are doing that but i could see there was an issue.

leading up to his death, like i said, he stayed in for six weeks and he stopped socialising with friends because of the way it made him feel. throwing himself into various events and charity runs, so he would not go out and socialise. —— so he would go and socialise but he was isolating himself. he was a young good looking 24—year—old lad sat in on a saturday night with his mum and dad. there was no happy medium with that. let me bring in danny. when did you first realise you had an issue with cocaine and alcohol? i first realised when i got to the point of saying i did not want to take cocaine any more. then days later i was taking cocaine. and it was a cycle i would go through week in, week out. i wouldn't do it everyday. how does it make you feel when you

ta ke how does it make you feel when you take both together?” how does it make you feel when you take both together? i am seven years clean now. i cannot remember anything positive about it. ijust rememberall of anything positive about it. ijust remember all of the negative sides. the thoughts and the feelings that used to go with it. so, for me personally, and for lots of people i spoke to, and helped along the way, hopefully helped, it is always the same story. it is the feeling of you do it, and then you cannot stop doing it. it takes a hold. there is a big grip and that power. is it a mixture of the two that potentially can lead to suicidal thoughts? 0r mixture of the two that potentially can lead to suicidal thoughts? or is it the come—down after taking both that can lead to suicidal thoughts? in my experience it was the come—down. you are trying to chase the feeling, you don't want that feeling to end. when it ends, you know how you are going to feel. when

the feeling ends, when you are coming towards that, it is horrible to say, but for me, personally, i was ready to go. mentally, i couldn't i didn't want to be alive. ididn't want couldn't i didn't want to be alive. i didn't want to be on this planet andl i didn't want to be on this planet and i couldn't see anything positive. i couldn't see an end. i just couldn't see where life was going. i couldn't see what i had to look forward to. like i say, seven years later i am so grateful. i have so years later i am so grateful. i have so much gratitude for the people that helped me and for the people fiow that helped me and for the people now that raise awareness towards it. i don't think there is, there's not enough there. people don't know. ian, you have called cocaine the uber of the drug world. why? red this data came from a european report that showed how savvy people

supplying and distributing cocaine have become. they have really embraced social media and other platforms to ensure that they can market their product. using networks of co nta cts market their product. using networks of contacts and friends and acquaintances, through whatsapp and facebook and other applications. i'm afraid to say that cocaine is much easier to access than an antidepressant and cheaper than a prescription as well. this e-mail came in from neil, he said his brother took his life to years ago through a sustained combination of alcohol and cocaine. in the last two weeks, i've lost two other friends to suicide in this way. i have to say i believe there is a massive underreporting of this. those left to deal with the fallout of someone's behaviour like this often finds the deceased has secretly spent vast amounts of cocaine and have left a mountain of debt behind them. potentially one reason why

they may have taken their own life. do you agree that there is an underreporting and what are the implications? it is significant because unless we understand the scale of a problem we do not get investment in services. we cannot look at who may be at risk. 0ne investment in services. we cannot look at who may be at risk. one of the difficulties around this is predicting who is at risk. 0ne the difficulties around this is predicting who is at risk. one of the things you would look at is yes, as you were describing, you can feel horrendous after a come—down. but i suspect there are people already weartheir suspect there are people already wear their self—esteem and mood is compromised and are attracted to using cocaine in the first place. to get the full picture of who it is, why they are using, this is not helped because it is an illegal drug. alcohol is not, interestingly. we know a bit more about alcohol but the other problem we have is researchers and policymakers tend to look at drugs in isolation rather than looking at what happens when

you combine them. in the real world, people combine drugs. and briefly, why are people taking cocaine and drinking at the same time? for a numberof drinking at the same time? for a number of reasons. if you take cocaine, it helps you to drink for longer. the other thing is that, obviously, it can be a particular feeling that you want at the time. if your self—esteem is in your boots, if you are feeling really, really low, then that combination of cocaine and alcohol, you quickly realise it will turn around how you feel. and nicola, are you adamant it was the mixture of these substances that lead to your son taking his own life? 100%, he that lead to your son taking his own life? 10096, he had invested in his future. there was no history of any mental health problems. he loved looking after himself and taking ca re of looking after himself and taking care of himself. he had his driving test book for the monday. so i know that it was 100% to do with that. i

believe it was a very impulsive act, like danny said, it was the come—down. it was the afternoon of the night before. he was voicing that he was struggling with what he called the hangover from that he was struggling with what he called the hangoverfrom hell. but what we know was the come—down. what we noticed with jacob was the sleep deprivation with cocaine, i don't know if you experienced that, danny? 0nce know if you experienced that, danny? once you take cocaine you cannot sleep. when you are on this horrendous come—down, your only escape is to sleep and if you can't, thatis escape is to sleep and if you can't, that is when the suicidal thoughts come into place. thank you all very much for coming on, we appreciate your insight. thank you. and if you have been affected by any of the issues we've discussed, you can visit the bbc action line website for details of organisations you can contact for information, advice and support, bbc.co.uk/actionline. there's loads of information, advice and support if you need it. borisjohnson has been forced

to deny claims that he groped a female journalist at a private lunch 20 years ago. charlotte edwardes wrote an account of the alleged indicent in the sunday times, describing it like this: she said she confided in the woman sitting on the other side of mrjohnson at the event, who said "oh god, he did exactly the same to me". after downing st denied the claim ms edwards tweeted. .. chancellor sajid javid reiterated downing street's denial on breakfast this morning. the prime minister has been clear that those allegations are com pletely that those allegations are completely untrue and from my part, i'm not going to be drawn into these kinds of personal allegations.

sadly, these kinds of things come up 110w sadly, these kinds of things come up now and again in parliament, and i've never commented on them before andi i've never commented on them before and i won't start doing that now. that is not stopping some of your collea g u es that is not stopping some of your colleagues doing it. matt hancock, who knows charlotte edwardes. that's up who knows charlotte edwardes. that's up to them. he said i know charlotte well and i trust what she has to say, there is a conundrum there. downing street say one thing and matt hancock indicating perhaps another? look, i do not think it is another? look, i do not think it is a good idea to be drawn into personal allegations. 0n a good idea to be drawn into personal allegations. on my part, i'm not going to get into that. the prime minister, as you said, has said this is completely untrue. and i have full faith in the prime minister and i do not doubt what he has said for a second. but i'm not going to be drawn into these allegations. mrjohnson has also been under pressure to defend his relationship with the american tech entrepreneurjennifer arcuri.

the police watchdog — the independent 0ffice for police conduct — is assessing whether he should be investigated for a criminal offence because of his dealings withjennifer arcuri when he was mayor of london. ms arcuri was given thousands of pounds in sponsorship and joined him on three trade missions. but he insisted yesterday there was "no interest to declare". so, no conflict—of—interest. the allegations are overshadowing day two of the conservative conference in manchester where chancellor sajid javid has promised £25 billion to upgrade england's roads. let's talk to our political guru norman smith in manchester. so, the prime minister's spokesman has denied this allegation from charlotte edwardes, is that the end of it? i suspect not. anyway, the very fa ct of it? i suspect not. anyway, the very fact that number 10 have decided to go public and deny it tells its own story. by and large, when you get these personal allegations and allegations about his private affairs, number 10 gives ita his private affairs, number 10 gives it a body swerve and they do not comment at all. sooner you do that, it puts legs under the story. last night, they came out and said that

this was not true. why? i suspect partly, obviously, they do not want the conference being hijacked by this through the conference and i suspect there is a degree of nervousness within number 10 about whether mrjohnson's standing with female voters is taking a bit of a hit through this steady trickle of stories that we have had since he became prime minister. 0bviously, stories that we have had since he became prime minister. obviously, we had one last night about charlotte edwardes, and as you mentioned we had thejennifer arcuri edwardes, and as you mentioned we had the jennifer arcuri story. edwardes, and as you mentioned we had thejennifer arcuri story. an old tale of a business woman who did not really seem to have the credentials to go on trade trips and receive significant amounts of cash from the government and from the mare's office. why that happened, and then it transpired she was a friend of boris johnson and then it transpired she was a friend of borisjohnson and on top of that we had mrjohnson's pretty robust response to those female mps in the house of commons who were getting up and urging him to

moderate his language. i suspect that will prompt questions, does borisjohnson, if that will prompt questions, does boris johnson, if you that will prompt questions, does borisjohnson, if you like, have a problem with women? is there something here which is quite damaging to boris johnson? something here which is quite damaging to borisjohnson? and i suspect that is why what may otherwise have been a story from 20 yea rs otherwise have been a story from 20 years ago and does not really matter, has actually picked up quite a bit of traction. and the announcement from the chancellor today, spend spend spend when it comes to buses and roads and so on? 0ne comes to buses and roads and so on? one of my colleagues calculated that so far, at this conference, the tories have pledged to spend £50 billion, and it is only half past ten on day two! they are spending billions. it tells us of course that borisjohnson is billions. it tells us of course that boris johnson is looking just billions. it tells us of course that borisjohnson is looking just over the horizon to an election, making all sorts of promises on the health service, roads, you name it. ithink it tells us too that he is trying to

painta it tells us too that he is trying to paint a picture of a land of, not milk and honey, but better times ahead post the street fighting over brexit and he is trying to give this place a bit of an uplift after the sheer grind and slog and uncertainty of what is going to happen with brexit. although senior tories here are insisting they will take us out on october the 31st come what may, it isn't exactly clear to people that boris johnson it isn't exactly clear to people that borisjohnson has the means to do so, in other words to get around the legislation passed by mps blocking no deal. norman smith, thank you. you can hear sajid javid, the chancellor's speech, on the bbc news channel later today. we asked to speak to a conservative representive but no one was available. we can however talk to sir nicholas soames mp now. he's a long—standing friend of the pm, but can no longer sit

as a conservative mp after he voted against the government to try to stop a no—deal brexit taking place on oct 31st. i want to ask you about brexit first. the prime minister said he will obey the new anti—no deal law. but he said the uk will leave the eu on october 31st. how confident are you that parliament will succeed in ensuring he abides by that law? well, we believe that the benn bill is water tight. so quite how this proposes to happen is a mystery. the prime minister keeps saying is it's going to happen and i listen to the chancellor this morning as i know you did and we both observed that he didn't quite know how it was going to happen. it is a mystery yet to be revealed. although i believe the country is fed up to the back teeth with brexit and just longs for it to be done and to get on with the

agenda that the prime minister is putting forward, we have got to get over this very detailed and important hump and we have to get a deal done. i do believe there is a deal done. i do believe there is a deal to be done. whether it is a doable deal is another thing. we took the view, the 21 of us, that the only way to make sure that this happened, because we believe the consequences would be serious, which to try to secure in the benn bill the protection we feel the country needs. if boris johnson did manage to get around the law and sirjohn major identified a way, the foreign secretary identified another way, what would be the implications if he gets around it? they're very serious andi gets around it? they're very serious and i commend... like all the supreme court judgment the and i commend... like all the supreme courtjudgment the other day, that the law is yet above you.

the prime minister and the government must obey the law. parliament will make sure that they do obey the law. that is what parliament is for and we will make sure it happens. how? by being in parliament. 0k. what about reports that the remain coalition who are meeting today, leaders of opposition parties, might talk about changing the law to compel the prime minister to ask for an extension a lot earlier. have you heard talk of that? no, the answer is i have heard talk of almost everything, including pigs flying, but they're all gong and no dinner. we need to see and the prime minister needs to make plain, which i hope he will do, the basis of outline of the basis of the deal, the time scale and allow parliament to make itsjudgment. you still think if he did get a deal there is time to get it through and sorted and voted on before october

31st. there is not time to do any of those things, but it will be done and if there is a deal and it is a reasonable deal, we will support it. 0ur quarrel with borisjohnson reasonable deal, we will support it. 0ur quarrel with boris johnson is not over anything else other than no deal. do you want to be welcomed backin deal. do you want to be welcomed back in the conservative party, do you want the whip restored? look, i'm leaving after 37 years. and to be frank i'm... disappointed at the least and very angry at the most that i should have had the whip taken away from me. i voted against the government three times in 37 yea rs the government three times in 37 years and those were all on defence issues. i think it is a gross overreactionment to be candid, i don't mind. but there are other collea g u es don't mind. but there are other colleagues who mind very much that the whip should be returned to them. i hope that it will be and i think any sensible prime minister would look at that group, ken clarke, rory stewart, some of the real heroes of

our party, suspended, i think that is insane. if they said come bac would you say? well i would think about it. if a party tables a vote of no confidence in the prime minister, which the prime minister was begging them to do, because it would lead to an election. would you vote with the government to bring it down? there are no circumstances that can i see that i would vote in a vote of no confidence against the prime minister. right. and i think it would be folly, i can't see no question to which the answer is jeremy corbyn and i would not vote to have a vote of no confidence and risk bringing the government down in that way. but if mrjohnson wants you to, how would you feel about voting to do that? to bring the government down? yes. i wouldn't allow it to happen. i will not vote ina allow it to happen. i will not vote in a motion of no confidence against

my government. you don't want jeremy corbyn in there, would there be some other figure, people corbyn in there, would there be some otherfigure, people talked of margaret beckett. no, ithink otherfigure, people talked of margaret beckett. no, i think the talk of governments of national unity, it is a fine idea, essentially you need to be in a worse place than we are now. we need to get on with getting this done and over the line one way or the other. how much do you think your party's changed since boris johnson how much do you think your party's changed since borisjohnson became prime minister? well, i think it's become, with respect to theresa may, i think it's become a great deal more energetic and purposeful. and i admire very much the prime minister's energy in trying to get this, which i think he will talk about today, on to the... as norman smith said, looking beyond brexit and there are great opportunities for our country. i think it is the view that it is a bad decision to leave the eu. but if we, the people, voted to leave, we must honour that.

the way to do it is as we said in the last manifesto in a smooth and orderly way, so as to cause as little disruption to our economy.” wa nt to little disruption to our economy.” want to ask you about the allegations about jennifer arcuri and the journalist, how much do they matter, do you think? as to the first one, i believe that is being investigated by the authorities and if the prime minister had any interest to declare, he would have declared it. as to the second one, it would be in the prime minister's interest in my view to resolve this. this is a... seen yourjournalist and it would be important in my view for the prime minister to sort this out and for the prime minister to sort this outand to... for the prime minister to sort this out and to... to try to resolve it. i don't think it is helpful to the

prime minister or to the debate and to be frank, although it is very serious, we have very big stuff to deal with and although it is serious, it is but a side show to the bigger issue. he said it wasn't true. if the prime minister said it wasn't true, i think it is a difficult question. the prime minister says it doesn't true and the journalist, i don't minister says it doesn't true and thejournalist, i don't know, but she is a distinguished journalist, says it is true and there it must hang in mid—air. says it is true and there it must hang in mid-air. i'm going to ask you who you believe.” hang in mid-air. i'm going to ask you who you believe. i believe the prime minister and i believe charlotte edwards. how is that for sitting on the fence? absolutely! do you think boris johnson sitting on the fence? absolutely! do you think borisjohnson has got a woman issue? i don't know. i rally don't know. —— really don't know. you have known him for years and describe him as a friend. he is my friend and it grieves me that i should be in breach with him and my party as a result. it is rather like

president trump, i mean in a way, the president trump's behaviour is sort of priced into the character already. i don't know how serious this will affect the prime minister. but i think that he feels that he needs to get on and get this job done and not be side tracked. but he must sort it out. boris johnson's sister rachel and the former chancellor philip hammond have suggested speculators are set to make a lot of money from a no—deal brexit and that should partly explain borisjohnson's willingness to leave. i'm sure there are some who have betted against the market or pro or against the deal. i saw in a documentary one person talking about that. it is nothing to do with the prime minister's behaviour and

any suggestion that would be the case is absurd. what do you think of this unnamed cabinet minister saying if brexit isn't delivered on time, there could be a violent popular uprising. i think it is a very stupid thing to say and i've no doubt there could be some public demonstration. the country's divided, this is the most important irk you issue the country has faced. the country is known for its good sense and sense of proportion. but it is true, as we saw in parliament, eve ryo ne it is true, as we saw in parliament, everyone needs to take a bit of a deep breath and calm down a bit.” wa nt to deep breath and calm down a bit.” want to play you an extract from a speech you made in the house of commons and you were expelled from the conservative party. here is a bit

mr speaker, i'm not standing in the next election and i'm fast approaching the end of 37 years of service to this house, of which i've been proud and honoured beyond words to be a member. i'm truly very sad that it should end in this way. and it is my most fervent hope that this house will rediscover the spirit of compromise, humility and understanding that will enable us, finally, to push ahead with the vital work in the interests of the whole country that has inevitably had to be so sadly neglected while we have devoted so much time to wrestling with brexit. you watching you're is making you tearful? it was a bad moment, you know? i do wish we could refined it. i also wish that people would understand that you know i lived through miners‘ strike, as did... in the house of commons and the house of commons is the cockpit of the

nation. and it gets rough. and i don‘t think we should lose sight of the fact that parliament should not be restrained in the way it debates, but the prime minister, i think with hind sight will agree, in respect of his remark to paula sheriff, a won who received the most disgusting abuse, as did jess phillips and a number of conservative women, i think it is lacking in sympathy and understanding to answer it in those words. but i would say in his mitigation he had been 25 hours without sleep and done three and a half hours standing up in a very rowdy house and i think he forget himself. but to pretend to answer the question of paula sheriff‘s with the question of paula sheriff‘s with

the word humbug was suitable is com pletely the word humbug was suitable is completely wrong and it was a bad moment. but equally the prime minister is right to say, you know, we mustn‘t be too squeamish about this, public debate in the pub is rough, it is rougher in the house. it is whether the house of commons and the prime minister should lead the nation by example?” and the prime minister should lead the nation by example? i think the prime minister should be careful in his choice of words, equally i don‘t think the word surrender, i think military metaphors are used every week. but because of the terriblejo cox symbolism and the terrible abuse these people have had, i think it is unwise to not answer it this in a sympathetic and understanding way without mitigating the power of your argument. finally, boris johnson is argument. finally, boris johnson is a huge admirer of your grandfather, winston churchill, he wrote a biography of it, he would like to

emmate your grand fare in some ways, are there similarities between boris johnson and sir winton churchill? not that are immediately obvious, but they both are governing, both governed at a time of great difficulty for this country. i thought boris in his interview with andrew marr yesterday did make a good point, he has been elected to lead the country at a very difficult time and it is very difficult time. but it does behove him to understand that a divided country needs leader ship and vision and understanding and the quicker we can bring it all together, the happier we will be and we can get on with doing all the stuff that people really want done in this country. thank you very much. vour views are welcome. still to come:

and, could boris johnson possibly be impeached? it‘s a mechansim we associate with us presidents but the welsh party plaid cymru is considering trying to use it here. we‘ll speak to their leader. two women are dying needlessly every day because of a "heart attack gender gap" where they do not receive equal treatment to men, the british heart foundation has warned. over the last decade, thousands of women across the uk may have lost their lives because of inequalities in in awareness, diagnosis and treatment of women‘s heart attacks. that‘s according to a new briefing published today estimating that 8,200 women england and wales died over a ten—year period because they did not receive equal treatment to men. let‘s talk to esther stanhope — a former bbc producer who went to a crossfit class while she was having a heart attack because she didn‘t recognise the symptoms.

shernaz engineer, who had a heart attack in her early fifties and her heart was left damaged as a result. and julie ward, senior cardiac nurse at the british heart foundation. tell us how this happen, you go to cross fit class while having a heart attack. this is the thing, when women have a heart attack, is not necessarily a heart attack, i had a series of uncomfortable feelings of breathlessness. it happened over a six—week period. that is why i didn‘t think it was a heart attack. i was doing a lot of travelling and speaking at conferences, i thought it was being stressed. what did it feel like? the first few times, i was on my way to amsterdam and it was on my way to amsterdam and it was a hot day and i thought, i can‘t catch my breath. i thought this is weird. what it was is not being able

to get the oxygen into my... the breathless feeling. but more intense than that? but i didn't think, oh no, call the ambulance, i got the flight no, call the ambulance, i got the flight and went to the conference. and then i went to america and did the cross fit class. that was interesting, because that is where i got sweaty. i started thinking, i don‘t feel good right now. but i will breathe it off and i did. julia, what explains this disparity in the treatment between men and women? we are not sure. are the symptoms the same for men and women? traditionally we thought not, or previously we thought not, the new research we have been carrying out, some robust research proves that men and women do actually have the same symptoms. what are they? the classic

symptoms. what are they? the classic symptom is the chest pain. some people describe it as a heaviness or a tightness or a squeezing. wouldn't you think it was indi jest yon. a tightness or a squeezing. wouldn't you think it was indi jest yonm is usually stronger than that. as it progresses, as it will, it will get worse. then it can go down the left arm, sometimes the right arm, into the jaw, maybe into the back and also the stomach. quite often people feel queasy as well. what rr your symptoms? it started on a monday morning withjust a pain in my left arm andl morning withjust a pain in my left arm and i thought i had slept in a strange way. in the week it increased in the arm. what did you think was going on?” increased in the arm. what did you think was going on? i thought i had a trapped nerve. then on a saturday, maybe i had gone to a party and i

felt indigestion. i didn't think there was anything wrong with me. we we nt there was anything wrong with me. we went home, he went to bed, i went to bed. by 2am i couldn't rest my back on the bed, it was so painful. i sat until eight o'clock on a sofa, got dressed and walked into the a&e. it is crazy i was in the throes of heart attack, the pain was around my chest and back. when i got them, i didn't believe them when i said i was having a heart attack. what do we learn from this, what would you say? we have learned, i didn't experience that much pain. my dad did die of a heart attack and i was aware of the symptoms and i thought

you had an elephant on your chest feel and mine was not even a kitten. we can learn, if you feel a bit out of sorts and queasy and unfit, i felt unfit, i thought that was the reason i was feeling breathless. get yourself checked out. just always, it is much better to go to the gp and get your blood pressure checked and get your blood pressure checked and that will give you a steer on if there is anything you can do.“ and that will give you a steer on if there is anything you can do. if it is more urgent, go to a&e. there is anything you can do. if it is more urgent, go to me. people do that and that is not incorrect, the gold standard, if you get symptoms that are making you feel like you're not well, you phone 999. really? because the paramedics come out and they're excellent at assessing you there and then and they are algorithms they follow and they will

do an ecg, a tracing of the heart, obviously blood pressure, and pulse and check you over and based on those findings and also the symptoms, they will be able to say via the algorithm whether to go straight to a centre that specialises in emergency procedures or whether to do to a&e and assess there or whether you no it is not too serious. but the number one thing is to call 999. that is good, because i had no idea about that. your heart is now weaker than it would have been if you had the right treatment earlier. how does that ma nifest treatment earlier. how does that manifest itself in practical terms? it slows you down a bit. and i'm sometimes out of breath. but you know the blood isn't flowing as well as it should. thank you all. good

public service information there. really appreciate it. thank you. borisjohnson‘s political opponents are meeting today to discuss their next move to make sure the pm doesn‘t take the uk out of the eu without a deal, and there are differences about how to do that. some of his opponents are considering using an unusual method: impeachment. impeachment is a way to prosecute holders of public office for "high crimes and misdemeanours" but has not been successfully used in parliament for centuries. it‘s the welsh party plaid cymru which is seriously considering this approach, and we can now speak to their leader adam price. in 2004, he led an impeachment attempt against tony blair, which was supported by boris johnson. are you serious about it this time? yes and for much the same reason we proposed the impeachment of tony blair over the iraq war, there is a

principal at the heart of democracy that those who lead us cannot mislead us without accountability. there is evidence that the prime minister actually misled notjust parliament, but the public and the sovereign in furnishing reasons for the prorogation that were not true. if you have read the supreme court judgment it does not talk of any sinister motives. that is true. because it didn‘t need to in order to arrive at its judgment. it talked of the impact of prorogation. burr the scottish court, the highest court in scotland, did actually talk at length about the reasons for the prorogation and they said in terms, they said absolutely explicitly that they said absolutely explicitly that the reason that borisjohnson offered in public for the prorogation was, were not true. they

set out in detail and gave five reasons in the judgment as to why they came to the conclusion that the prime minister was not telling the truth. i accept this is unprecedented in modern times. three law lords, essentially coming to the conclusion that the prime minister... has deliberately deceived us. boris johnson's actions maybe unlawful, how do they fall under high crimes, if he didn‘t know he was breaking the law at the time. it is the question of whether he told the truth. the scottish law lords have ruled that the reasons the prime minister gave to parliament and the public and possibly to the queen herself were not true. they were deliberately false. and they set out as to why they think that and the fact that even the legal team that the

government actually had in the scottish court were taken by surprise when the prorogation happened, because it had been kept secret even from them. when these three law lords are telling news thisjudgment that three law lords are telling news this judgment that the prime minister deliberately deceived us, surely we can‘t allow that to pass. as in the case of iraq war, if we allow our prime minister to deliberately mislead us, that has consequences. we can‘t allow the principle to be set that the prime minister can mislead us and get away with it. i will put this to are you we re with it. i will put this to are you were found guilty of spending taxpayers‘ money improperly after taking out adverts that broke the rules. you said you were acting in good faith and the committee ruled the timing was related to the assembly elections and any attempt

to pretend otherwise is disingenuous. we accepted the verdict. so has boris johnson. surely we can accept... so has boris johnson. we can accept. there was a process and we accepted that the verdict in that process. exactly the same, boris johnson may verdict in that process. exactly the same, borisjohnson may argue with the supreme court, there was a process , the supreme court, there was a process, he was found to behave unlawfully and parliament was recalled. the prime minister was found to have deceived us. we need accountability for those untruths. if we accept a situation where the prime minister can mislead the pa rent prime minister can mislead the parent and the people and the head of state with impunity, what has happened to our democracy? to quote the grandfather of nicholas soames, parliamentary democracy may not be perfect as a system, but it is better to all the alearntives, if we

—— alternatives, if we accept a situation where the prime minister mislead us, there is a gaping hole at the heart of our democracy. how many other mps apart from the four plaid cymru who will back this move to try to impeach him? this is being discussed with opposition mps. to try to impeach him? this is being discussed with opposition mp5. you will have seen liam byrne, a former labourmp who, is will have seen liam byrne, a former labour mp who, is supporting this move. we have to accept we cannot allow a situation whatever the context for the prime minister to deceive us. i have to stop you there. bbc newsroom live is next. have a good day. good morning we had a lot of rain over the weekend. the ground is already saturated, this morning for northern and eastern parts we have

had sunshine. that is the season a short while ago in lancashire. we will keep that sunshine in the north. but the cloud is starting to increase and with that rain moving into wales and the south west of england and into the afternoon. maximum temperatures, chilly in the north, 12 degrees here. in the south 17 or 18. let‘s focus on this rain. atrocious driving conditions in the evening rush hour. tomorrow, heavy and thundery showers developing across central and southern areas where the rain continuing in the north of england. further rain over the next 2a hours, there are flood warnings in force already. they could change and increase over the next couple of days.

you‘re watching bbc newsroom live — it‘s 11am and these are the main stories this morning: the chancellor sajid javid promises "a significant economic policy response" — in the event of a no—deal brexit. we are working incredibly hard in getting a deal. i‘m very much involved in that myself. in the number of meetings i‘ve had, we are making good progress. and mrjavid said he had "full faith" in borisjohnson — over allegations he squeezed the thigh of a female journalist at a lunch 20 years ago. children could be made to have compulsory vaccinations before starting school — the government considers tough new measures after a surge in measles.

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