tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News October 1, 2019 10:00am-11:01am BST
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hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. good morning. the man with a plan — or is he? borisjohnson says he's got a blueprint for a revised brexit deal, but has admitted this morning it would mean there would be a return to customs checks. you can say, though, can you, for people who think there would be a hard borderjust a few miles away from... absolutely not. no? no. there has to be checks somewhere if we are going to be in a second economic arrangement? a i am in the second group, that isjust economic arrangement? a i am in the second group, that is just the reality. where is princess latifa of dubai? she hasn't been seen in public for 18 months after she was captured as she tried to escape her country on a boat.
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in his first uk interview, her cousin has told us he wants answers. our mind is telling us the worst. you know, some days i think, hopefully she's 0k, and some days i think, well, how do we know? she could be dead. and, he's 12 years old, he's passionate about shark conservation, and now he's won a mirror animal hero award. i want a future where my kids and grandkids can see white sharks swimming. i want a world where we can live as a society and not have, with all this brexit and rubbish. iwant to... i want to have a world in which wildlife is treated equally as humans as, thankfully, we are seeing here today. the device we will speak live to finlay. congratulations. he will
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talk about the awards and tell us why he called out badge builds —— by grills for diving with sharks. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. we're going to try and bring you some detail about what the pm's new brexit plan is this morning — let us know what you think of it? is it a go—er? and we are also going to talk to four women, including two young conservative activists, about whether they think boris johnson has a woman problem. that is at ioasm regarding the revised brexit plan from borisjohnson, regarding the revised brexit plan from boris johnson, chris regarding the revised brexit plan from borisjohnson, chris says no attempt to win those who voted remain, just a repetition of the contested view that everyone wants it done. we are not all from stoke and we are natural stupid enough to think leaving is an end to anything. and he tweets mrjohnson has no
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chance because, no matter what she does, opposition parties will not vote for it, they no longer have the option because of their adopted positions as they are ready for a general election, but the problem as opposition parties per row positions drivers more towards leaving on wto terms, known as a hard brexit by some people. contact details are on screen, your views are welcome. first annita mcveigh has a summary of the news. now for the rest of the day's news. beijing is hosting enormously lavish events to mark the 70th anniversary of the founding of the people's republic of china. the anniversay has been marked by a huge military parade featuring thousands of troops and military vehicles. president xi jinping addressed the nation from tiananmen square, saying that no force could stop china from forging ahead. an international team of experts has concluded there's little evidence that eating red meat, sausages and bacon increases the risk of cancer. the study has been published in thejournal annals
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of internal medicine. but public health bodies say the findings undermine sensible eating advice. flood warnings are in place across the uk with some regions expected to see as much as two weeks of rain in less than an hour later, the met office says. the yellow weather warning could bring power cuts, road closures and travel disruptions to south—west scotland, wales and southern england. the environment agency has issued more than 70 flood warnings across england. the bbc is being urged to apologise to the breakfast presenter naga munchetty after reversing its decision to partially uphold a complaint against her for discussing racist comments by president trump. last night the director general, tony hall, said he'd reviewed the finding himself, and decided the complaints unit had come to the wrong conclusion. jessye norman, one of the most renowned operatic sopranos of the twentieth century, has died in new york. she was 7a. one of the few black
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singers to become stars of opera, jessye norman sang at the presidential inaugurations of ronald reagan and bill clinton, and won four grammy awards. a bridge has collapsed in eastern taiwan, crushing fishing boats underneath and throwing an oil tanker truck onto the road below. video footage showed the single arched bridge in the town of nanfangao collapse in the middle, dropping its buckled road and steel arch into the water within seconds. reports suggest ten people were injured. it's not clear what caused the collapse of the bridge, which was only completed in 1999. that is a summary of the main news so that is a summary of the main news so far. back to you, victoria. borisjohnson has confirmed that the british government has proposed customs checks on the island of ireland as part of a revised brexit deal that it is going to formally publish soon. in interviews this morning mrjohnson denied that this would mean a hard borderfive or ten miles away from the border but did
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acknowledge that some form of border check was just a reality. let's talk to norman smith, who is at the conservative conference in manchester. i listen to and watched all of the interviews, can you clear it up for the audience, what is being proposed, because it was not clear? gulp the big new fact, if you like, is that the government is proposing customs checks on the island of ireland, they say we are leaving the eu and we want our own customs regime, meaning you need separate procedures for enforcement and police and customs control. the issueis police and customs control. the issue is how you do those checks. overnight, there were some leaks from ireland and brussels suggesting what the british government was proposing was simply moving those
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checks away from the border so you did not actually have infrastructure along the border, leaving them five oi’ along the border, leaving them five or ten miles back and you carry out the checks there. the british government says that is absolutely not what we are proposing. they say the vast majority of these checks could be done at the depots and warehouses of the firms exporting goods across the border, and in the rare instances where some sort of inspections had to take place, it would be up to the customs authorities to decide where those checks take place. they might not be at the depots, they could be in some other zone, but they are disputing the idea that what the british government is proposing is basically just moving the border ten miles apartand just moving the border ten miles apart and having a no man's land just moving the border ten miles apartand having a no man's land in between, and i guess what it comes down to is that brussels and dublin
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view this as a hard border, whereas i think the british government would concede it as a hardening of the border. it sounds nuanced but it is all in the details of exactly how intrusive those checks will be. have a listen to borisjohnson answering questions on it. you can say, though, can you, for people who think there will be a hard borderjust a few miles away from... absolutely not. no? no. and there are very good reasons why that would not be a good idea, and i think everybody familiar with the situation in ireland and northern ireland can understand why we wouldn't want it, both for practical reasons and also... for reasons of sentiment that we totally, totally understand. now, on the other hand, there is a principle here, and perhaps you can clarify that. some in ireland, we heard sinn fein's leader earlier today, say there should be no checks anywhere on the island of ireland, that they call a hardening of the border. they say it would be against the principles
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of the good friday agreement. that... other people say, forgive me... sorry, forgive me. there have got to be checks somewhere if were going to be in a different economic arrangement. well, i'm with the second group, because that's just the reality. on the face of it, you would have to say the prospect of a deal are very remote. if even the eu is there cannot be any checks, the view in london as there have to be some, and those positions seem completely contradictory —— the view in the eu as they cannot be any checks. in government they still seem hopeful that an agreement can be reached, and privately they say the conversations are much more fruitful and collaborative than you might think from some of the public criticism. thank you, norman. let's get more reaction. i spoke to
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labourmp dan carden, shadow international development secretary. what's his reaction to the potential return of irish border checks? i don't think there is any sign of serious proposals here, but you are right, what the prime minister has confirmed this morning is that he thinks his proposals will include checks at the border or near the border in northern ireland. and this would be a rowing back of a commitment made by the government to the people of northern ireland over two years ago and that is absolutely unacceptable and of course, there is no rhyme or reason for this. in fact, i think the prime minister is laying the groundwork for a no deal in reality. that's what this morning's announcement is about. there's very little detail and in fact, in his own words, he said he wanted to keep the proposals failed in obscurity. only to the public, not of the eu. we are told there will be a legal text to them by the end of the week. but i'm going to pull you up on something you said because when asked specifically, so will there be border posts, border checks just a few miles away from the border
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of northern ireland and the republic of ireland? he said, absolutely not. he couldn't have been clearer. well he's confirmed that he believes there will be checks and controls. we are talking about something where we have no details from government. this is mid—conservative party conference, the prime minister is doing media interviews and yet he won't be frank with the public or with the people interviewing him, what his proposals are. so i think again this is bluster from the prime minister. he's very good at not being held to account and i think that's what we are seeing today. it's more realistic though than labour's plan, isn't it, which is to reopen the whole withdrawal agreement, effectively staying in a single market and the customs union, bring it back to the uk and not campaign for it? that's not the case and labour is committed to going into the next general election promising to hold a referendum on a deal that we can negotiate with europe. that deal will include
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a comprehensive customs union and a close, single market relationship and therefore there will be no requirement for the backstop. it is that deal we will put to the public and the public will decide democratically and really, the labour party is the only party promising to bring the brexit crisis to an end within six months of a labour government. which some say would not necessarily bring the brexit crisis to an end, as you know. i wonder what you think of the suggestion that the eu itself might rule out any extension past october the 31st? well, it is a remarkable thought that the prime minister could be seeking to go down this route and really this is about whether or not the prime minister will take this country to no deal, to crashing out and all the damage that we know that will do to this country and to the economy. we are talking about medicine shortages, fuel and food shortages. that would be down to the eu. he doesn't seem to have a care
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about that whatsoever. sorry, if the eu rules out an extension, then surely some of the responsibility has to be at their door? what you will see is the opposition parties coming together over these next few weeks to make sure that we do not end up in that situation, that this prime minister is not allowed to take us down this route because there is no democratic mandate. if boris johnson complies with what's called the benn act and writes to the eu to ask for an extension and the eu says no, how can you stop that? well, this is not a proposal that has been talked about or fleshed out. what we want to see... off the top of your head, how do you think you could stop it? ..we want negotiations taking place between the british government and europe and that's not what is happening under this prime minister.
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dan curtin, the shadow international development secretary. more reaction to the prime minister's revised brexit plan later. this is princess latifa al maktoum she is the daughter of the ruler of dubai. she's not been seen in public for 18 months. on 4th march last year she tried to escape to india on a boat with herfriend tiina. she lived a life of luxury in dubai, but princess latifa said she wasn't allowed to travel outside the uae or study abroad and that she had no power to make any decisions. she was so unhappy. latifa knew the mission was risky so she recorded a series of videos which she asked friends to release if she was captured. i have to remember to say everything. because this could be the last video i make. they will, for sure, try to discredit this video, and say it's a lie or it's an actress or something, for sure.
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i'm going to be leaving, somehow. and i'm not so sure of the outcome, but i'm 99% positive it will work. that escape was never to be. as latifa's boat neared the coast of india, it was stormed by armed men who dragged her back to dubai. her videos were released, but latifa has not been seen in public since. it's now 18 months on and we've spoken to tiina alongside latifa's cousin marcus in his first uk tv interview and david haig, who runs the free latifa campaign. they are calling for people to boycott dubai unless she is released. i started by asking tiina whether she thinks latifa is alive. i strongly believe she's alive.
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do you think she's safe? safe... i believe... you know, it's been already 18 and a half months since latifa was kidnapped in front of me. so, safe, it's very difficult to answer. i think she's in a very bad place at the moment, somewhere locked up. why do you think that? because latifa tried to escape previously also in 2002 and as a result after she was captured, she spent three and a half years in prison where she was tortured. and so after the latest escape attempt, last year, you think potentially she could be facing the same imprisonment? yes, definitely. marcus, what do you think? how do you think she is, how do you think she's being treated and what is that based on? it's very, very, very difficult to know because obviously we're here and we haven't got much information. and everything that we've been trying to reach out, nobody is responding to us.
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so, of course, our mind is telling us the worst. you know, some days i think hopefully she's ok and some days i think, well, how do we know? she could be dead. things like this, coming to the media, talking with the media, is actually keeping her safe. that's one of the reasons why i attend with tiina and david because i strongly believe that will keep her safe. david, do you think she's alive? i think she's alive. and i think if you look at latifa's own evidence, as it were, you know, the video that's now been seen by millions on youtube and with the bbc documentary, she almost planned what she thought would happen if she was caught. and, of course, you look at a very similar scenario with her elder sister. her elder sister, princess shamsa, was back in 2000 taken from the streets of the uk back to dubai in a very in a similar fashion, in a similar kidnap. we have got a clip of latifa in one of her videos talking about shamsa, saying what she thought happened
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to her, in terms of when she ran away while on a trip to surrey. let's have a look. so after two months they found her. basically, a bunch of guys in a car just drove up and found her, they grabbed her, kicking and screaming, threw her in the car. she was driven to a helicopter, somehow ended up in france and from france she came to dubai. she was drugged on the plane. it was a private jet so nobody was checking anything. you have seen shamsa since then, haven't you? i have basically seen shamsa twice, once at the sporting club where i was teaching capoeira to latifa, and one time at a family wedding. right. 0k. is she all right? is she ok? what would you say about her? when i saw her first time in 2011, she didn't look well,
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like a person who was drugged. like, heavily medicated, either anti—depressants or something similar. like a person who was not alive. did it worry you? yes. david haigh, you run the free latifa campaign. you've just come back from the united nations to ask for their help. you will know that the united arab emirates told the un earlier this year that latifa was alive, safe and in the loving care of her family at their dubai residences. they went on to say she was never arrested or detained, saying her current and future welfare is their foremost priority. what do you say to that? well, i think it's surely for latifa herself to come and say that to the world after a video like that. it's not a private family matter. and now we need to look at what happened with her stepmother, princess haya, who was married to her father, who was a very famous meeting
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with mary robinson in december when pictures of latifa, post the bbc documentary escape from dubai was released, with the pictures released of a very unwell and unwilling—looking latifa. looking at the floor with mary robinson and princess haya. a month later there's lots of press where princess haya actually says a phrase, well, if i thought any of what latifa said was true, i wouldn't stand for it. and a few a few weeks later, she's fled dubai with her children, frightened for her life. can you explain, tiina, why princess latifa was so desperate to escape dubai? what was it like for her there? her life was extremely restricted. she had not traveled since year 2000. she was not allowed to study, not allowed to work, not even go to anyone's private homes. she was clearly miserable. so she had waited for for nearly two decades to finally, you know, have the right that we all deserve, a right for self—determination.
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which is when you and she tried to escape and you got as far as being on a us—registered boat going across the ocean towards india. and tell our audience what happened. yeah, we had basically been on the yacht for eight days. we were about a0 miles off the coast of goa. in the evening. we were in our cabin when we started hearing these loud noises from the upper deck that sounded like gunshots. and suddenly the whole cabin was filled with smoke. we had to go to the upper deck and we were met with commandos, armed commandos with machine guns. that basically were threatening to kill us. and at the end latifa was kidnapped and taken back to dubai. is that the last contact you've had with her? yes, that's the last time i've seen her, yes.
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what were the last things you said to her? well, i was paralyzed. i thought they were going to kill me. whereas latifah was acting extremely brave. she was telling them to leave me alone. and herfinal words were, don't take me back to dubai, just shoot me here. so she would rather have died than go back to her life previously? yes. what can the un do, if anything, particularly when the uae is saying she's absolutely fine, there's nothing to see here? i think individually perhaps not not much, but i think that with the media the un, the pressure, dubai and the uae is different to a lot of countries in the gulf in the fact that, you know, they need our money, basically. they need tourists from britain to go there. they need families to go sit on their beaches. they need the businesses, british businesses. you look at brands like emirates that go around the world. they need that commercial input.
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now, the un coming to a press statement against them saying you've done something wrong, that is very powerful. no—one can march over there and essentially let her out wherever she's captured. he's a dictator. it's an unelected democracy, he accounts to no—one. so, back to the un, it's more and more pressure. we're looking at all small little things. there's not one big thing that's going to come in and let her go. but we're trying all of those things and the un is one of those parts. what evidence do you want, marcus, that that latifa is ok? what would be appropriate? what would you believe? to see her with my own eyes, really. right. that would be the ideal situation because the last time i saw latifa she was a child, she was nine or ten years old. that's the last time. so it would be very difficult. i would have to ask really personal questions. so i think face to face would be, you know, that's when you can connect with a person and you can ask the right questions. but you have been cast out from the family as well? i have indeed. why?
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because i tried to help shamsa. that was the first reason. shamsa asked for my help. when she wanted to run away? when she wanted to run away. when she first started to, you know, decided that she wanted to run away. but i stupidly went to my aunt and said, look, you know... because, for me, it's normal, a teenager wanting to go to university, to live a normal life. so i thought i thought that my aunt would understand that, but it backfired. it seemed that, you know, my aunt thought that i was trying to interfere. that i wanted to make money out of... all these things started to come out. do you want british people... david was alluding to this, that many british people go on holiday to dubai, fly emirates. do you want british people to boycott the place, the airlines? yes. yes, definitely.
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i think a lot of people are under the impression that these male guardianship laws exist only in saudi arabia. but actually it's the same in most of the other gulf countries, and same in dubai. you know, people should see behind this glitzy facade of fancy hotels and shopping malls, realise that there's all these human rights issues. and women are, to start with, treated like subhumans. imagine if the daughter of the ruler is treated this way, what else is going on there? that is princess latifa's best friend, tiina, her cousin marcus and david hagan from the free latifa campaign. he might only be 12 years old but he's already had a run
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in with adventurer bear grylls and been called an "inspiration" by tv presenter chris packham for his environmental campaigning, particularly the conservation of sharks. now, finlay pringle from ullapool in the scottish highlands has won daily mirror animal hero awards. he is actually holding a toy shark, a hammerhead, actually. here's a clip of finlay receiving his award at the ceremony last night. i want a future where my kids and grandkids can see white sharks swimming. i want a world where we can live as a society and not have, with all this brexit and rubbish... i want to have a world of which wildlife is treated equally as humans, as thankfully we are seeing here today.
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finlay is here. congratulations. how does it feel? gulp absolutely incredible, i still can't believe it. how was your night? gulp pretty late, but we had great fun. who did you enjoy meeting? late, but we had great fun. who did you enjoy meeting ?|j late, but we had great fun. who did you enjoy meeting? i met so many people, it is incredible. why are you so keen on sharks and conserving them? i have always had this love for the marine environment that i can't quite explain. i go snorkelling all the time, we have seen snorkelling all the time, we have seen seals, sea bass and a small shark, and as well as that we are seeing plastic pollution and fish in some areas disappearing into other areas where they should not be. doing all of this, i saw there was problems with our marine environment andi problems with our marine environment and i looked at sharks especially. if you look at their reputation
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thanks to jaws, it has not gone very well. i have seenjaws, yes. thanks to jaws, it has not gone very well. i have seen jaws, yes. you say the reputation of sharks is unfair? it is ridiculous. what are they really like? jaws makes us think that sharks are really dangerous. five people a year die due to sharks, seven people a year died eating biscuits. if that is true, it is one hell of a fight. you are more likely to win the lottery... than be killed by a shark. when my boys were little they loved sharks, as all small boys do, but your fascination has continued. why? there is something about them. i am concerned by everything going on at the moment. in britain we will be
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affected by sharks and the climate. as the climate gets hotter, sharks from africa, maybe even great whites, might migrate to the uk. i think this is horrendous. they should not be here because there is not the food to be here. there are seals but then they have competition of the tiina around here —— competition of the orca around here, they should not be here. you row to bear grylls, you circle. why? if you read the whole thing, it is actually quite polite. as a chief scout, he should not be promoting sharks in a way that they are dangerous. it is ridiculous. it is mental. being in the media, they only picked up the one part, use. your issue was he was diving with sharks? it is a big mix.
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the aquarium itself is 200 square metres, it had 13 sharks, fish, rays, all of that, they were pretty cramped. it was promoted as dangerous, as i have told you, they really are not. and the shark trust was getting money from the guides. you were sacked, because there was a backlash? a backlash against them, you lost your role as ambassador for the charity? that is when people like chris packham praised you? how did you feel? at the time when i was sacked i was pretty mortified because i had nothing wrong, they saidi because i had nothing wrong, they said i was not allowed to campaign but as scotland's junior shark ambassador, but two campaign sites the same thing and nothing was said.
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it has nothing to do without, i do not know the problem. and why i was sacked. but it happens. the fact that chris packham supported me, to me, was incredible, and it still is today. are you still politely cross with bear grylls? yes. what would you say to him? probably nothing, because it would be reported wrong in the media. i would would be reported wrong in the media. iwould probably would be reported wrong in the media. i would probably tell him what he was doing was wrong and the main bit about the campaign now, is all over the world, notjust in birmingham so you will have these tiny little shark tanks, which are a p pa re ntly tiny little shark tanks, which are apparently dangerous, all over the world. what do you think about that if it is true? it is madness, pure madness, they should not be putting sharks in these tiny enclosures, they don't live there, they live in
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they don't live there, they live in the ocean. what if they argue that it is about conserving the species? it is rubbish. they say it is for breeding. two sharks have been bred in captivity because when they took them in from the wild, they were already pregnant. you cannot breed sharks in captivity, it doesn't work. you are just stressing out these sharks. someone has tweeted, finlay is the real deal, i want a world where my children can see white sharks and a society, notjust this brexit rubbish. she is quoting you from your speech last night. you are campaigning against restaurants that has shark fin soup on the menu? i have been writing letters. we are doing it in the uk at the moment. 19 in the uk still serve it and most of them being here in london. we are doing that and we are about to, with the help of chris packham, start a
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petition to ban shark fins coming into the uk. so if you are a chinese person you can bring in 17.5 kilograms of shark fins into this country, but you cannot bring sausages and cheese. which is mad. i'm going to read this statement from bear grylls spokesperson. we feel strongly about conservation too. this type experience presents a unique opportunity for guests to be ina unique unique opportunity for guests to be in a unique environment and educating and inspiring them. taking them to education will raise awareness of and support for creature conservation. congratulations finlay, thank you for coming on the programme. you are welcome. keep up the good work. fantastic. how would you feel if you opened up about a problem you were facing, only to be met with accusations that you were attention seeking? that's the social media phenomenon known as "sadfishing", which emerged after some celebrities were accused of making exaggerated
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claims about their emotional problems to generate sympathy and boost traffic to their sites. now headteachers are warning that young people with genuine mental health issues who seek support online are facing unfair and distressing criticism that they‘ re jumping onto the same bandwagon. it's one of the findings of a new report, commissioned by the headmasters' and headmistresses' conference, the professional association for private school heads. mike buchanan, is their executive officer and the former headteacher of ashford school in kent. the report was written by youtuber charlotte robertson who co—founded digital awareness uk, an organisation which works in schools to help children use technology responsibly. hello both of you. for those who have never heard about it, what is sadfishing? sadfishing is most
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commonly used as a term to describe a person who shares an emotional well—being challenge on social media with the aim of getting attention, increasing their followers or at times to sell products. a lot of celebrities have been accused of capitalising on sharing mental health challenges in order to sell products. which is grossly unfair because sometimes this is very, very genuine. in schools, as an organisation we are heavily immersed in schools talking to students every day and they are using the term sadfishing to describe any young person who is talking about their mental health online. it is often quite mysterious, things like i have had enough, i cannot go on. if you are posting that kind of thing, you can be criticised for sadfishing, which can be upsetting, obviously. what do you think about that? this isjust a small part of what do you think about that? this is just a small part of a what do you think about that? this isjust a small part of a report, the third annual report that the two
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organisations have done together. while sadfishing is one of the headline things, the report also says young people are getting much better at managing their digital lives and that is encouraging. but the way some of the difficulties are appearing is morphing, so sadfishing is from that, i think. parents and schools have to be aware of how that trend is developing over time. how would you know if someone was genuine if they were opening up on instagram about a mental health issue or if they were sadfishing? that is the good point, we don't know. which is why it can be absolutely devastating if you are genuinely crying out for support and feeling then just disappointed that you are not getting the support that you are not getting the support that you most probably need. we are really encouraging young people and pa rents, really encouraging young people and parents, schools to beaks clearly
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signposting places where young people can go to for help. many young people are quite relaxed about the networks they have on social media, they have their private account, their main account and possibly others and they could be sharing the fact that they are feeling quite vulnerable with the wrong sort of people. so there can be many risks associated with doing it as well. it is challenging them to think, if you are going through a challenge, who are the best people to be sharing that with and what is the best way of doing that. so we are doing a big education peace through the work we are doing to help people understand that.|j wonder help people understand that.” wonder if that is going to work, because as you know, children, 11, 12, young teenagers, older teenagers, it is absolutely the norm to put pretty much everything on your social media, whether it's snapchat, instagram or whatever. your social media, whether it's snapchat, instagram orwhatever. i am not sure whether that kind of education will get through? the reality is, most young people do
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manage their digital lives, they manage their digital lives, they manage them pretty well. what we are talking about here are some trends and they don't apply to all young people. there are plenty of resources, which they are very savvy about seeking full support, whether that is... like what? organisations like mine other charities that set up like mine other charities that set up specifically to help with issues like this. —— mind. but most people manage this and manage it increasingly well in a way that adults don't. that is an important point because often in the media there will be reports which talk about the negative effects of social media. we have covered them many times on this programme. but that is true, most people manage social media pretty well because in the end they are just talking to each other? the key thing is, schools and parents in particular need to maintain good relationships with
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their teenagers, maintain good relationships with theirteenagers, particularly maintain good relationships with their teenagers, particularly when they get to the stroppy, uncommunicative stage, or something like that. there are various ways to do that and there is lots of advice and tips on our website, which is available to everybody across the country. so the relationship, i think, is key. what about those, not just celebrities, but non—celebrities, kids, teenagers, adults on social media, who are potentially exaggerating what's going on in their life, in order to gain sympathy or attention?” going on in their life, in order to gain sympathy or attention? i think it isa gain sympathy or attention? i think it is a huge positive that young people especially are seeing social media as a platform to share how it is that they are feeling, talking as we know, is so important. as we have said, it isjust being mindful of who you are sharing with?” said, it isjust being mindful of who you are sharing with? i am asking you, are you acknowledging
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that some people, none celebrities are also sadfishing? there are definitely cases. there is a huge pressure to look and behave a certain way, to be relevant and get clout and be popular. possibly it could be a strategy that is exploited in the wrong way, as a means to be doing that. it is hardly surprising that young people replicate some of the behaviour they see. where did the parents come into this? they are key, keeping a relationship, a decent relationship with your child through the teenage years in particular and indeed into early adulthood, really important and often it's not conversations that you engineer that allow you to have that, but it's actually the casual conversations, driving in a car with your son next to or walking down the street and talking over dinner. there are lots of different ways that families can manage digital lives, but it has got to be
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lived by parents. better to do that and saying, can't we just have a chat? hearts sink. thank you both for coming on the programme. an estimated 726 homeless people died in england and wales in 2018, it's been announced this morning. it's the highest year—to—year increase since records began and an increase of a fifth since last year. 88% of those who died were men. behind every single statistic are grieving relatives and friends. alexandra davies's brother is kane walker. he was sleeping on the streets when he died from pneumonia and a drug overdose in february. pastor colin rankine is the founder of outreach organisation active christians in birmingham.
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colin knew and filmed kane to document his situation. here's a short, and i must warn you, quite distressing clip of a video he shot not long before kane died. iam not i am not going to be here. i am not living like this no more. this isn't my life. i am done. living like this no more. this isn't my life. iam done. i living like this no more. this isn't my life. i am done. i am done! you have never seen me like this before, iam done! have never seen me like this before, i am done! i am done. come on. let's talk to the pastor and to kane's sister now. good morning to you both, thank you for talking to us. alexandra, that clip was upsetting andi alexandra, that clip was upsetting and i know you are nervous about speaking out today but you want to
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come here and you allowed us to use that footage so you can keep kane's memory alive. tell us about your brother. he was a bubbly person. the moment kane entered a room, you would know he was there. he just had an aura about him, really good vibes. really high spirits and even though he was on the streets, he never ever thought, he never ever thought he was... sorry. that's all right. he never thought low of himself, he always tried to be positive and look at the positive in life. he was 31 when he died of pneumonia and a drug overdose in february this year. he is not included in these figures from last year, over 700 people dying homeless on the streets. how has his death impacted you and your family?”
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on the streets. how has his death impacted you and your family? i have lost someone that i love. i think the positive thing about talking out about it is being able to help other people that you know, are on the streets struggling with drug addiction. therejust wasn't streets struggling with drug addiction. there just wasn't enough help out there for him. colin, let me bring you in. sorry. alexandra, please don't apologise, we are grateful for you coming please don't apologise, we are gratefulfor you coming on the programme and talking about kane. alexandra says, she has lost someone she loves, but it is brutal and simple isn't it? it is, we need to come together as a nation to see who we are and how we are dealing with the situation. going out there feeding every week for four years, going to the different services, you can see that something is broken, something is wrong. as a christian, i need answers. the bible teaches
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us, we i need answers. the bible teaches us, we are i need answers. the bible teaches us, we are all equal and we should be showing brotherly love to our brothers and sisters, everybody. you can be an atheist and care deeply about this kind of situation. over 700 people, sleeping on the street who have died, in britain in 2019, the fifth richest economy in the world ? the fifth richest economy in the world? that was about a quarter of the regional, the official figure. you think the number is higher, why is that? if you are a sofa surfer, if you are someone from a different country, if you pass away in hospital, he could have been on the street, taken to hospital and he passed away, you are not in the figures. if you commit suicide, you are not in those figures. so it is a lot higher and that is why i set up active christian we follow the bible, it is about following a particular system that works and i
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found the biblical system is really good for solving this problem. before i go back to alexandra, that footage of kane films, he said, i am done now, i am not living like this any more, this my life. why did you decide to make the footage public? in seven days, i had nine people pass away. when you are serving people on the street every day, they become your friends, you have a relationship with them. when they had passed away, i did know when they were getting buried, i didn't know where they were, i couldn't speak to the family. i started filming the homeless people that i was feeding and praying with anyway, just to highlight. so if a loved one to come to me, because i always gave out my little cards with an address they can contact me if they get problems and if the card was found with someone, i would hope the authorities would call me to say i know this person, i know a bit of that background, i can show them this video and say this is what it
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was like. understood. alexandra, how do you respond to the fact that it is an estimated figure, colin is right to say it is much higher, but over 700 people have died on the streets of this country last year? it is just disgusting. i think the reason why i think kane, that footage was horrible, when i saw it online i was very upset but the positive thing with brother colin videoing it, it went to members of parliament so something will be done. he did spend a lot of time with my brother before i passed away. he said, people think i am nothing, but i am somebody. i have come here to keep his memory alive so people can remember, this kind of thing should never happen. he should have had a lot more support. he struggled with mental health and a lot of health issues that i try to support him with at the hospital.
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but as a single mum with two kids, there is only so much one person can do and there wasn't enough. how can you go from being in the care system to be left. how is this happening? he should have had a support worker and a social worker. colin, he should have had a support worker and a socialworker. colin, i want to ask a final question to you. you have a lot of support in birmingham for the work you do. some are not so admiring, they say potentially you area admiring, they say potentially you are a self publicist, that is what they call you and you want to convert homeless people to christianity, what do you say to that? they are right, jesus himself healed the sick and went and prayed with people and he was criticised for that. i welcome that and i bless those who feel that way and i pray for them. but if we want to move forward as a nation, we have to move forward as a nation, we have to move forward with love. it doesn't matter whether you are muslim, atheist, you
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have to follow a path that works on the reason i am here today is because the path i have taken works. you don't have to believe in the bible, but it does tell you how to deal with the homeless. in chronicle... we haven't got time, i am not being rude but we haven't got time to go through particular passages in the bible, but we get what you are saying. if anybody wants to help the homeless, if this whole country goes out and feed the homeless and praise with them, then the situation can be helped. i ask everyone to log onto the active christian website and there are different ways in which you can help the homeless and we can come together as a nation under humanity, together as a nation under humanity, to help those people who are poor. if we can bail the banks out, we can bail the homeless out. thank you so much. thank you alexandra for coming on the programme and talking about your brother. thank you.
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if you've been affected by issues in this discussion, there is a range of organisations and websites that can offer you advice and support. you can find them listed on the bbc‘s actionline website at bbc.co.uk/actionline does boris johnson have a women problem? he's been forced again this morning to deny claims that he grabbed the thigh ofjournalist charlotte edwardes, pictured on the right, at a lunch 20 yrs ago. and he's insisted he has "no interest to declare" when it comes to his relationship with the american tech entrepreneurjennifer arcuri, seen here on the left. this was his response when he was asked about his relationship to women on radio 4's today programme this morning. it's on the front page of many, many newspapers and i know for many years you have not wanted to discuss about your private life and people understand that. i have a broader question for you though. have you got a woman problem? i have always been a big champion of women at the top of every organisation. if you look at the way i ran city hall, it was virtually half
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and half, more as a complete feminocracy at city hall. the same goes for what i did in the foreign office. if you look at the signature policy of the fco under me, it was to champion as the number one solution to the problems of the world, 12 years of quality education for every girl in the world. a recent poll suggested that one in five women regarded you as honest. almost half said you were, forgive me, dislikeable. and the recent allegations, just be clear with people because they may not have heard you say, you are saying that when a distinguished journalist said he grabbed her thigh, what are you telling us about those allegations? look, i don't minimise the importance of such allegations and i don't minimise the importance of the issue, be clear about that. but it is not true and there's nothing really more that i can say. let's speak to conservative activist elena bunbury who is calling
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for an overhaul of how sexual misconduct allegations in politics are handled, drusilla summers is a conservative activist who voted for boris johnson in the recent leadership contest. sonia purnell wrote a biography of borisjohnson and previously worked with him, julia hartley—brewer is a broadcaster and columnist and was reperatedly touched on the knee by former defence secretary michael fallon at a dinner in 2002. she said of that incident, "i calmly and politely explained to him that, if he did it again, i would punch him in the face". what do you make of this latest allegation of the genus, charlotte edwardes and the prime minister's response to it? it is a classic case of he said, she said, because we we re of he said, she said, because we were not there. this is the first claim about borisjohnson's life that does not concern a consensual relationship. so it has been very
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damaging and it has dominated media coverage of the tory conference. i have to say, in terms of what delegates are talking about and what people are talking about in the bars and the parties, it hasn't had much to cut through here and i doubt very much it will have much to cut through with the general public. do you agree with that, not much cut through to the general public? sadly, i think it is quite true. i think he has this appeal to everyone where regards of what he does, it is still brushed off, oh well, it is boris. it probably won't affect the general public that much, if things like that, warning signs that that is our prime minister. he says it isn't true, how seriously do you ta ke isn't true, how seriously do you take the allegation? obviously, it has to be investigated. i am not going to say it is true or false, i don't know. but it has to be investigated properly. far too often in politics, things are brushed under the carpet or it is brushed
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away as a smear. the culture needs to change that these people listen to change that these people listen to and if it is true, then it is dealt with, if not, that person needs to be held accountable. we are talking about a man grabbing a woman's thigh under the table. i am not saying that is and you know how i handled a cabinet minister touching my leg. we're talking about rape or a serious abuse of power, we are not talking about harvey weinstein, we are talking about inappropriate passing being made. if it is true, passes being made that younger women. that is sexual assault. it is, but the reality is, but most people, and i think there isa but most people, and i think there is a generational divide between younger women and older women on this, that a lot of women in my generation will say it is not acceptable, shouldn't happen, would protect other women from in but 20 yea rs protect other women from in but 20 years ago, it was shrugged off and
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you move on. has boris johnson got a woman problem? i think he does have a woman problem. charlotte edwardes isa a woman problem. charlotte edwardes is a respected journalist, matt hancock said she was very trustworthy and at the very least it deserves some kind of investigation. but look at boris johnson and his relationship with the truth over many years. if you look at both sides, who would you actually really believe? we are in he said, she said situation so we do need an investigation. let's take that to its logical conclusion, how could you investigate this? it is he said, she said, although charlotte edwardes said he did it to another woman at the same time because the two women had a conversation about it afterwards and perhaps that woman needs to come forward? we need to find out who the other woman was and what she is likely to say about it, i don't think the whole matter can be dropped. in terms of boris johnson plasma provider relationship
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with women, does he respect women? i used to be his deputy in brussels and we were reporting on the eu together. he did not treat me with respect at all, i can safely say that. maybe he has changed over the yea rs ? that. maybe he has changed over the years? maybe has, he didn't respect any of his wives in the way he carried on with those women, he didn't respect those mistresses either, it would seem. he often betrayed them as well. look at what he has written. he used to do a motoring column for go, made the most appalling so—called jokes about gear sticks and things. totally shocking so women only went to university to find husbands, that is a bit more recent. not a good track record. do you think you're prime minister, the leader of your party has a woman problem? no i don't, i think it is a distraction. there isn't any evidence. the timing of this is just so suspicious. a lot of stuff coming out at party
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conference, looking at the environment and the welfare infrastructure and the timing is certainly distracting. everyone knows this will distract everyone. so you don't believe charlotte edwardes? it is difficult. i cannot say i don't believe her because i don't have the evidence, none of us, u nless we don't have the evidence, none of us, unless we were right there, would know what happened. but i do feel like at the moment, and it has happened over the last few years, we are in danger of having accusations made against someone and it is a trial by media and social media. we don't give a chance to that person to actually say, i don't think it is true and it isn't true and i didn't do that. got to be very careful. ok, should there be an investigation as sonia purnell was suggesting? again, lam not sonia purnell was suggesting? again, i am not quite sure you can investigate. we will ask everyone who was sitting round the table, where you are aware this happen? i will say for the record, i believe
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charlotte edwardes. i will say for the record, i believe charlotte edwardes. lam pretty will say for the record, i believe charlotte edwardes. i am pretty sure the current prime minister has done this to more than one woman and i believe her and not him. this to more than one woman and i believe herand not him. i this to more than one woman and i believe her and not him. i don't have any evidence making that statement, but given his track re cord statement, but given his track record of dishonesty and track re cord record of dishonesty and track record with women would suggest he is more likely —— she is more likely to be telling the truth on him. a lot of people are focusing on the timing of this and the fact that charlotte edwardes pawn is robert peston. there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. thank you all for your time. thank you for coming on. we are coming back tomorrow at 10am and bbc newsroom live is next, have a good day. good morning, we have had heavy rain moving north through the night and we still have heavy rainfall across southern scotland, northern england and across england and wales. heavy showers at the moment. lots of flood warnings in force and further heavy
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downpours to come. we have the rain that will continue across northern parts of england through the isle of man, further south across england and wales we have these heavy showers. a few warnings in force, a met office warning across england and wales to cater for these heavy and wales to cater for these heavy and thundery showers and an amber warning in the isle of man because further heavy rainfall leading to flooding problems. but elsewhere, we can see flooding with thundery and heavy showers. 15 to 18 degrees and further north, clear skies, heavy showers. 15 to 18 degrees and further north, clearskies, bit heavy showers. 15 to 18 degrees and further north, clear skies, bit of sunshine per 2014 celsius. the cloud and the rain will clear towards the south and it means it will be a chilly night into wednesday. plenty of sunshine expected throughout the day. temperatures much lower than today particularly in england and wales.
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you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's 11 o'clock, and these are the main stories this morning. borisjohnson confirms the uk is proposing customs checks on the island of ireland as part of its plans for a brexit deal, but denies these would mean a hard border or a customs clearance zone. i think that we'll be making a very good offer, and clearly i've seen some briefing already — i don't know where he does come from, i think probably from brussels — which is not quite right. borisjohnson boris johnson says borisjohnson says he is still confident of a deal despite the hostile reaction and insists he is not planning for customs checks a few miles back from the border.
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