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now on bbc news: hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk, with me zeinab badawi in new york. my guest is the british actress, activist and model, jameela jamil. after breaking into the us and the critically acclaimed comedy series, the good place, she has been getting attention for her criticisms of celebrities at the kardashian ‘s, for their promotion of diet products to millions of young women on social media. it's a campaign to make us feel better about our bodies working? this is the briefing. i'm ben bland. our top story: borisjohnson pitches his new blueprint for brexit. but with just two weeks before a crucial summit, is it enough to win over the eu? jameela jamil, looking to hartog. early signs from brussels aren't
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positive — negotiators say they've already identified serious problems. hello, thanks for having me. so, you president trump accuses us democrats are in yourearly hello, thanks for having me. so, you are in your early 20s, you decided you wanted to go into music of dishonesty and treason, presenting and you get this big as they step up impeachment break, you become the solo female host of a very prestigious show on proceedings against him. radio in the uk. how important is it for you to break barriers?” i don't know this is possible but cani radio in the uk. how important is it for you to break barriers? i think it's very important for me to break i don't know this is possible but can i give her hug, please? barriers. i come from a particularly and tears in texas as a former policewoman is sentenced raised people, you don't see south to 10 years for murder, asians in positions of privilege and forgiven by the victim's brother. very often, especially not in mainstream media. so it's something that means a lot to me because i was very damaged, i would say by not seeing anyone like me that i could look up to when i was a child. it meant we didn't gallop a self—hatred because i felt that i had no work because i felt that i had no work because i felt that i had no work because i couldn't see worth and anyone else. similar to me, everyone else was quite eurocentric in their features, there were all white and had long blonde hair and that hurt me. soon want to make sure that there was at least one, add numbers
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ugly than that —— when i have grown up ugly than that —— when i have grown up in ugly than that —— when i have grown upina ugly than that —— when i have grown up in a time with fire. there are five whole south asians in this industry that are working in hollywood at the moment. is there with great irony, five. you are the daughter of a pakistani indian pa rents, daughter of a pakistani indian parents, but brought up in the uk. our important is your ethnicity to you? does our important is your ethnicity to you ? does it our important is your ethnicity to you? does it inform everything you do? yes, it's very important to me. it wasn't for the longest time, that's what i'm saying that i shunned it so heavily because i thought it was embarrassing and bad andi thought it was embarrassing and bad and i grew up in the 90s which was such a racist time in england and i got called a package, every single day of my life and beaten up... literally beaten up? literally beaten up, once by a bunch of white children with tennis rackets. i was terrorised at school for my ethnicity and it was one of the other south asian girls and i was the only salvation governor from a school in one of maybe four in my
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entire secondary school and i went toa entire secondary school and i went to a large secondary school. it played a big part in my early years of my lack of identity and now as i've grown older and i'm getting into my 30s, ifallen in love i've grown older and i'm getting into my 30s, i fallen in love with a culture again, and the with the food in the busy and everything and i realise that i really missed out on not reconnecting with my culture. but, i mean, fora not reconnecting with my culture. but, i mean, for a child, to be attacked by a group of white children, boys and girls presumably, with tennis rackets. i mean, how old are you? i mean, what happened?” was seven, i think i had a tooth knocked out i cut cuts graces, is to get physically abused quite often at school. often by girls, caucasian women common track, i have nothing against caucasian people that i had against caucasian people that i had a really rough time growing up and i think representation is a big part of that. if you can't... media such an amazing way to familiarise people, the public with different people. and if you don't do that
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than they do understand people and i think sometimes insights via, i think sometimes insights via, i think that children felt afraid of me and they disrespected me and they felt afraid of me because i was different was but really, i'm not different, ijust different was but really, i'm not different, i just have different was but really, i'm not different, ijust have a different level of melanin. but, you have really had quite a difficult past, medically, haven't you? you are born with congenital hearing loss and you've talked about how you really liked in confidence and you were at school. what was behind that lack of confidence? you describe yourself as bookish and shy. a multitude of things was dubbed the fact that i was bullied, i think it develops, it fed my social anxiety which was cyclical, it was a catch—22 situation. the more socially —— socially and should you become, the more people bully you and it gets worse and worse. also, i have a syndrome which is an invisible disability. it's something i've had my whole life, i was bothered that and that affects my body in every
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single way. it means that i am incredibly accident—prone sometimes andi incredibly accident—prone sometimes and ifor longer incredibly accident—prone sometimes and i for longer than normal incredibly accident—prone sometimes and ifor longer than normal people, i bruise more than normal people, it affects my organs, it's part of affects my organs, it's part of affects what makes —— it's part of what affects my hearing, when you're a sick child who misses a lot of school and you lose touch with your peers, that is also difficult to stop generallyjust being deaf can create a literal feeling of a wall between you and other people, and this was the 90s so it was the a blest this was the 90s so it was the ablest time, much my ablest and we are now. there are many factors that store my confidence from me. and then at the age of 17, fleeing a pump “ then at the age of 17, fleeing a pump —— bumblebee, you are struck by a car. the b wasn't even chasing me. ijust a car. the b wasn't even chasing me. i just saw it and i a car. the b wasn't even chasing me. ijust saw it and i got a car. the b wasn't even chasing me. i just saw it and i got afraid a car. the b wasn't even chasing me. ijust saw it and i got afraid and i ran intoa ijust saw it and i got afraid and i ran into a car and that i had me into another car. nothing has ever been more my fault in the world than me getting hit by the car. and so i couldn't walk for about a year. he broke several brands, damage your spine. yes, i destroyed it, it still
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doesn't feel right. it's still painful, is like to be very careful with myself. but it was a good lesson. it snapped me out of... i have been very anorexic until then which was my way of controlling the world around me and it snapped me out of my advocacy and it gave me this new relationship with my body where realise that this was... once i had lost what it does for me, i had lost its use. i started to realise everything that i'd had before that i was just hurting and punishing and throwing away over something as simple and ridiculous as vanity. and it knock some sense into me. it put your life into perspective. yes, i do it all again to stop but you were told he would never walk again. yes, they told it was a positive ability. you damages are much worse in other people ‘s damage and i had really badly hurt myself. family members had to help you to go to the toilet and it was just, you are totally dependent was
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to most people with a syndrome and a better wheelchair, a lot of people, not most. a lot of it with my condition and up in a wheelchair very young and i have been very, very young and i have been very, very privileged to be able to beat the odds on that. and you mentioned the odds on that. and you mentioned the fact that you suffered from anorexia nervosa between the ages of 14 and i7 anorexia nervosa between the ages of 14 and 17 in fact, you say you never ate was not i didn't need to melt. what they behind anorexia nervosa? you talked about living up in the top —— toxic 90s, do you think that there was something about that decade that kind of man that you ended up with this eating disorder? it was the era when you had grown adults, not ironically using the term heroin chic as it was something that to aspire to. you people dying offamine in that to aspire to. you people dying of famine in the real world in a matter of hours away from you, we are emulating that look and forcing women to starve themselves until they could barely function and that was considered glamorous and it was hyper— normalised which is so weird
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when you look back at it. in that time. you know, you had very dangerous quotes like, nothing tastes as good as skinny feels and you had big famous actresses giving weight loss tips and every single interview, and i was consuming all the die products, consuming all the direct rhetoric, i was marinated in toxicity and i was surrounded by bad bond models and that's what's driven me to rewrite the narrative of that. do you think that it's better now thanit do you think that it's better now than it was in the 905? do you think that it's better now than it was in the 90s? yes. our society is. we're finally got some people are breaking through. but we are still, you have the debate still bombarded with tall slim models and i have to ask you though, because you are tall, and slim, you about five foot ten, so, why did you become a model and even a fashion scout? 0h... become a model and even a fashion scout? 0h. .. it's become a model and even a fashion scout? oh... it's a paradox, isn't it? no, when i was a model because i
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didn't know that was bad and i was trying to stop myself and thought that was cool. when i was 19, i came out of that with a new realisation that i had almost died of anorexia for this fashion industry that i aspire towards, so i wanted to change the narrative of the fashion industry and i knew that the only way to do that was from the inside andi way to do that was from the inside and i became a scout in the hopes of being able to bring in plus size goes, being able to bring in plus size o . being able to bring in plus size goes, is to bring in curvy girls all the time and fight the lead agent about the fact that she shouldn't be told to this but, she's too young and her body is amazing and try to bring in curvy girls. i was way ahead of the game where i had no idea that if just ahead of the game where i had no idea that ifjust stuck ahead of the game where i had no idea that if just stuck with ahead of the game where i had no idea that ifjust stuck with that longer, plus size was going to become a huge industry. that was something is campaigning for. everything i've always done had been with a trojan horse intention. that is fireman hollywood now, i'm here to get my work done when it comes to activism. i should say in 20 —— 2016 you had a breast cancer scare. that
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was justice. a benign you had a breast cancer scare. that wasjustice. a benign lump. undeterred you enter the united states and thought you were trying to work in radio broadcasting, you've asked to audition for a part as an actress, you had never acted before. you got the part. the good place, and he you are, acting very successfully, it's very popular tv series. that was unexpected. very much so, the lump, i didn't come here in spite of a lot, i probably came here because of the lump, i had a week to find out if the lump was cancerous and in that week i had a word with myself about everything that probably because of them, all the stresses in my life and also everything that i will do if this turns out not to be cancer and the first thing on that list is moved to california because envoys wanted you know what that would be like. and so the lump was the fuel that distract for me to go. i was like, right, i don't have cancer, i am. i can be mfs revision was, i had two additions. one was for a game show
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like a magic show that the shooting in vegas for a place injonathan ross and the other one was the good place. acting was the one that i'd never done before and i had a life lived in the deep end and so i enjoy challenging myself and seeing how wrong this can go. and the good place, you act the part of an asian woman and you're supposed to... if think you are in heaven but you're somewhere else and so on and it's incredibly popular. but you have used have used the fact that you are here and your health issues to raise your voice as an advocate which is why a lot of people have applauded your activism but when it comes to talking about body image, there was stylist magazine in august this year your vision on the front page smashing the set of weighing scales. and the author of a book about the
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demonisation of disabled people wrote on ——in the guardian, and on the british newspaper that the troubled optics of a slim woman smashing diet culture and she says, there is a catch—22 inviting sexism that women must largely meet the norms, the convention, attractiveness before they are allowed to criticise the demand to be attractive. her comment, isn't it? completely fair, i've been the victim of what she's talking about because i gained ossified when i first joined because i gained ossified when i firstjoined radio one back in 26 —— back at 26 is. i was nationally fetch and for about six months so i started campaigning very heavily against fat phobia on the night again, i spoke at parliament about, i released a plus size clothing line but may activism could only go so far. i was stopped and called bitter and jealous, essentially i was dismissed because i was a large woman now so therefore my opinion didn't count as much because i was too lazy to do the work to be slim and that's why i was sounding off about it. and so now, the same woman
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is slim everyone is listening to me as if i'm sane, bad to ideas that people hadn't been saying for 30 yea rs. people hadn't been saying for 30 years. i feel everyone's frustration, there's no denying a privilege, i have been the person ignored because i was marginalised. in one of the criticisms of the magazine covers at you have featured wearing a white1—piece suit and eve ryo ne wearing a white1—piece suit and everyone was saying, that's not available in plus sizes. you open yourself up to much don't you? that was great that that happened because expose the fact that the reason i was very close they didn't go up to size 18 is that i was going the sponsors of the magazine pot that's how magazines are funded, especially silas, you don't buy it. there were no money from the advertisers to sell mccartney, et cetera, all the designers. designers do not cater to plus sizes. the problem is that the companies that do go to plus sizes don't have the kind of money to be able to fund a magazine like stylist, they can't afford that the
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live advertising was a fair were finding it, iwould live advertising was a fair were finding it, i would with clothes. so it takes by that i think it highlighted that the issue is is industrywide and i understand where sometimes get made the scapegoat, i put myself out there but it doesn't make me angry, it's a really important conversation. you set up, last year, highway, to discuss and act as a platform and you criticise the kardashian ‘s, in particular khloe kardashian, and you said that should not be reduced to women with beautiful bodies or whatever, but you have this campaign to stop celebrities endorsing eating suppressa nts products. to stop celebrities endorsing eating suppressants products. explain to me what you had to fall into a kind of minor clash with the pedestrian over this? i think we live in a really bizarre time was celebrities have
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ca rte bizarre time was celebrities have carte blanche to sell whatever they wa nt carte blanche to sell whatever they want whenever they want to young impressionable people and there is no regulations, no legal regulations, they are selling toxic products that often laxatives and declaring if they are laxatives are not doing things with cigarettes not declaring ingredients. forsome reason they are allowed to post heavily manipulated pictures and say ita heavily manipulated pictures and say it a magical weight loss banana or whatever they are selling and be able to get away with it. you use a very extreme language, you said that for example they have pockets aligned with the blood and diarrhoea and kim kardashian's response is that you're going to have a backlash so, so long as you like it or believe in it or it is worth it financially, as long as you are ok to it. sell parent to children. i'm
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not saying that is what she sells but i would not be here right now sitting opposite here and sitting at the un if i had not made a big nose and sometimes you have to do shock things. and it is notjust a shock tactic, i was furious. i do not tend to have a filter because that is only reserved for women, white men do not seem to have a filter, especially not the more successful ones, he morgan, donald trump, mouthing off whatever they want... i would reserve that same right and so i say whatever i want and i wanted to say something that would wake people up and make sure they knew it was ok for me to tell truth to power. as a result, your campaign has been successful. instagram have
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introduced restrictions on the promotional date products so you must feel that is a feather in my cap. it wasn'tjust me. i thinki had a significant impact on that change but they were experts and charities involved. related to this what you are doing so that young girls and women do not fall foul of these kinds of things, you have also talked about the sexualisation of women. for instance, you have said of beyonce that she has sexualised herself to sell the records and of doing anything other than having a life smear test on stage.” doing anything other than having a life smear test on stage. i have repeatedly apologised something that i have said ten years ago. you have said similar things about the over sexualisation of rihanna. .. said similar things about the over sexualisation of rihanna... same
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time. so you withdraw all of those? i have publicly withdrawn them 100 times, i was a rape victim, a multiple rape victim who did not know where to project my anger and so are used to take aim at the wrong target which was women and the way they sexualised themselves. i should have been taking aim at the patriarchy that forces us to do that. i am not saying it is never a woman's choice but i should have taking aim at the system that sexualised me for —— from a young child. i was angry and did not know where to direct that range. it was a who were the problem, those men, not women. just looking at the framework
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in which one can cast this conversation. there is such a thing as sex positive feminism, a movement that began in the 1980s, that believes the freedom of sexual expression is an important part of women achieving equality and beyonce is often seen as the epitome of this issue has a sad man are free and women are not. it could be a business woman, an artist, a mother and still be a sexual being.” agree. eight years ago i could have done with this chat but at this point i fully understand and are really support sex workers, the sex industry, the sexualisation of women if it is in their power and their prerogative. i have not said a word in eight years... a woman, if she wa nts to in eight years... a woman, if she wants to use her sexuality and so on. just don't sell laxatives to children. do not sell dangerous
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unregulated products to children and do not ever attribute your physique which is down to a personal chef, a personal trainer, a surgeon, heavy use of photoshop, and pretend that you look like that because of some dodgy powder. chloe kadesh and says she does not employ a personal chef, just putting that out that... she also says she has not had any surgery. is that not a woman's right to choose cosmetic surgery.” surgery. is that not a woman's right to choose cosmetic surgery. i was clear in saying, don't pretend that if you have had surgery that you have not... it is freedom of choice. i demand transparency from celebrities. we are all models and we owe it to young people to be transparent and to tell them the truth. if you want to have your whole face redone and looks like a lion or a giraffe, do whatever you
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want, just make sure you declarant and are honest about it. so celebrities are different from ordinary... yes... you are profiting of people idolising. i'm not finished, you are profiting of people who are idolising you and aspire to look like you but this is not an even keel that we are operating on. you have all this money and there are many reasons you look the way that you do and young people feel bad about themselves for not looking like you... it is the time. i understand. that is my main point. the fact that you are a wrong ——a point. the fact that you are a wrong —— a role model, when the duchess chose important women, you must have been surprised by that, and read
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that it was a hoax. it was ridiculous. i did not pick up my phone to the first time. you have described the sussex family as smart. he said this of meghan markle. just say you hater because she is black and the drip for marrying a black woman and be done with it, he said to the english. marrying a black woman and be done with it, he said to the englishm is so insidious in england that you cannot categorically prove it. you're not always lucky enough to have someone call you racial smears. you can hold up identical things that white members of the royal family do next to meghan markle.
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they get hailed for it and she gets torn apart with such vitriol and perhaps i am wrong, call me crazy but the one brown member of the royal family seems to get an awful lot of stick. the one member gets the most abuse. what next for you? i am launching my way into a full activism platform for young marginalise activists who do not have my privilege and platform and finding a way to give them a voice and axis to the people who can change the world. bring to life their vision and so it is going to be content and it is meant to be podcast and books and just a safe space for young people on the internet. jameela jamil thank you for coming on hardtalk. no worries.
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hello there. what a changeable week of weather it's been so far. if we look back to tuesday, a typical weather watcher looked somewhat like this — threatening—looking cloud, lots of heavy rain, a disappointing day. by wednesday, it was all change. gin—clear skies across much of the country, but a noticeable chill in the air. now, if we take a look at the satellite picture from wednesday, you can see how widespread the dry, sunny weather was. but you can also see the threatening—looking cloud behind me, a sign of what's to come into thursday. but clear skies by day at this time of year, well, they lead to chilly nights. so we're going to start off thursday morning with, yes, a chilly story. low single figures in a few places, and there could be a light frost. maybe some early morning mist and fog patches, as well. so we're in this cold air with this northerly flow, but not for long, because this deep
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area of low pressure sitting out in the atlantic drags up southerly winds and milder air as it moves across the country. so storm lorenzo is going to continue to drift its way north, sitting to the west of the uk. it's still going to primarily interact with ireland, and yes, it is going to bring a spell of very heavy rain. orange warnings remain in force, with gusts of winds expected in excess of 80 mph here, and we're looking at huge storm surge too. but for northern ireland, western fringes of england and wales, we're looking at gale—force gusts of winds, 50—60 mph, and there will be some rain through northern ireland, wales and south—west england as we go through the day. elsewhere, the cloud thickening up. a little more in the way of hazy sunshine, highs of 11—17 degrees. now, that area of low pressure will continue to move its way steadily south and east across the country during friday, still bringing gale—force gusts of winds in excess of 50 mph, and it will bring with it a spell of wet weather for a time, before it gradually eases. top temperatures on friday of 10—17 celsius. now, as we move out of friday and into the weekend, things will stay relatively mild, but there's still further rain to come.
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not too bad a start, however, to saturday morning. we've got this brief, transient ridge of high pressure continuing to build from the west, but it won't be long before this low starts to move in from the atlantic. again, plenty of isobars circulating around that area of low pressure. the strongest of the winds up into the north—west of the uk. so there will be a spell of wet weather around during saturday. heavy rain clearing its way east to showers on sunday. 00:27:20,475 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 take care.
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