..that's like the point of no return. the things that they're could target kurdish forces who have being taught is just... been long allied to the us. the techniques and the lmrs and stuff is exactly what maybe it comes after the us began withdrawing troops from the region. a few of us here have experienced and it's the fact that women just president trump has defended his decision again, saying the kurds had can't say no and then not been abandoned. a guy goes, "0k, cool." they came to perceive themselves being a real man, but i'm sure that most people's you are up—to—date with the perception of them is headlines. it's half past three in they're immature wee boys. the morning. now on bbc news: panorama. i think even like the language they use, like "escalation" this programme contains and "resistance" and stuff — some scenes which some it makes you wonder, viewers may find upsetting. for some people, like, tonight on panorama, the pickup artists who harass women on the streets... where would it stop? the reason you're doing street attraction sells residential it is to get laid. courses in eastern europe. only the brave get laid. they say men travel ..and post footage they secretly film online. i eventually got her back from all over to take part. to my place and i had sex with her. i go undercover and find teenagers you should considerjoining us being approached by older men. for an intensive residential trip. i'm given advice that blurs in this video, they appear to film the lines of consent. and listening as a student cold approaches a woman. i meet women who have

been harassed... again, the encounter knowing how he manipulated me does is being filmed from a distance. make me incredibly angry. ..and confront men who are i saw you walking and i think teaching these tactics. you look really nice. it's completely consensual. if anything, we prevent the student is wearing a microphone. rape culture. revealing the truth and the recording continues about seduction boot camps. all the way to the flat. once they have gone inside, the recording continues, capturing audio of them apparently having sex. there's nothing new about men trying to chat up women. in this online age, getting together with someone in real criminal barrister kate parker life can be challenging. thinks that these videos could be breaking the law. there is a business that claims it is clear to me that sharing to offer a formula for success. a kind of content online is obscene, because it is private content, never intended to be broadcast. this is addy a—game. if i was prosecuting that, i think i would charge them under the communications act two cozies so far. or the miscommunications act, in relation to indecent, real name adnan ahmed. he's selling what he says

are the secrets to picking up women. obscene or offensive footage. the reason you're doing it is to get laid. only the brave get laid. for a $47 fee, i found what eddie says is a secret recording of him picking up an 18—year—old. he leads a group of men based in glasgow who call from a cold approach on the street, taking her to a coffee shop, and finally to the bedroom, themselves pickup artists. with eddie apparently they teach techniques such secretly recording the sound as the so—called "cold approach" — stopping women in the street to get as many phone numbers as possible. of them having sex. men like ahmed secretly film much of what they do and upload it onto their youtube channels. eddie goes on to describe his 1a ways to help men overcome so—called last—minute resistance to sex. this is number four. ijust bust a nut or two, in a random same—day lay. if she says that things are going a little bit too fast, you can reply with, "yeah, it was a lot of last—minute i know, babe. resistance i had to come through. yeah, i know. "i understand. " eventually... he's talking about a woman he says he just slept the caption says, "then with who he met that same day. carry on escalating." the fact that they are teaching adnan ahmed has posted more than 250 about last—minute resistance, videos, many boasting about his sexual conquests. is there anything legally problematic? i think it is really concerning,

like this one. it is encouraging them to bypass any it's too graphic red flags being put up by these to broadcast in full. she was like, "no, no, no." women, that they should be sensitive consent doesn't seem to and responding to. to be a big concern. she was like, "why are i tried to get eddie you putting a condom on?" i was like, "i'm just and richard to give me putting a condom on." an interview, without success. plausible deniability. they want you to take the lead. so, i'm coming to speak to them at another of their london boot camps. remember, this is not rape. hi, eddie. listen to her actions, her body, not her words. in many of his videos, hey. ahmed repeatedly approaches hi, i'm myles bonnarfrom the bbc. strangers in the street. do you remember me? yeah? well, i've a couple of questions in this one, he boasts i want to ask you because you've of what he calls a same—night lay... failed to respond. ..including audio apparently you teach men how to pressurise recorded during sex, women into having sex. you taught... which we're not broadcasting. you taught me this. i don't pressurise any women into having sex. no, you teach men to pressurise women. . . afterwards, he films a woman that's completely wrong. sleeping with an unused so how do you justify it? that's completely wrong. condom next to her. last—minute resistance, eddie. that's completely wrong, that you have twisted it what ahmed is teaching is part completely out of context. you have a video, eddie, that says,

"when you encounter someone saying, of a growing global online business ‘this is too fast,‘ "carry on escalating." you have put it completely out of context. that's what it says. that the men involved call "game". it's... bro, it's an art. earlier this year, i revealed eddie... it's an art. it's disgusting what you guys do. on the bbc what he'd been up to. absolutely disgusting. there was a huge response. do you know how consent works? trying to portray normal... ..normal, consensual sex i'm sure everybody in the chamber as something disgusting... "carry on escalating it." would, like me, have been shocked it's absolutely disgusting what you guys do. disgusting. and appalled by the bbc's investigation into so—called gaming. see, if it's not within days, women were posting with consent then... their experiences online. it's completely consensual. this one was written by beth. we do not... we actually help men. so, if anything, we prevent rape culture, so men have the skills to not have to... i'd just come out from work at half ..get involved in anything illegal seven, eight o'clock at night or anything non—consensual. and it was november so it was really you're teaching men quite dark outside. he approached me just from the side to manoeuvre around consent. and he started making really crude comments at me and stuff, not at all. like, really early and on top of that, you're on in the conversation. telling your students what sort of things? that they should approach teenagers. he was mentioning when he was in not true. ukraine or something, he had hired prostitutes, the thing that i teach is exactly and he was saying that i'd be, like, this — find out how old the girl better than prostitutes. and, like, just a horrible is before you do anything sexual. manner and was just, like, quite touchy with me. 0k. yeah. so what did you do then? just not engage with him. where do you stand on publishing sex i kind ofjust have to, like,

audio from women that keep him on a level where he's not you secretly recorded ? going to get aggressive with me. i've not asked you — how old were you at the time? the sex audio? i'm17 — at the time yes. of the incident i was 17 as well. and he told me he was 27, but he was actually 37 years old, what sex audio? so 20 years older than me. approach 2 lay — £47. what are you talking about? here, adnan ahmed stuffs a microphone in his pocket, you can see... what are you talking about? ready to approach another young come on, eddie. woman in central glasgow. what are you talking about? the six—part series. someone else films what are you talking about? the whole encounter. you meeting an 18—year—old emily says she had no idea and sleeping with her, and putting the audio online. what are you talking about? she was being filmed... that's nonsense. approach 2 lay? that's nonsense. nonsense. you deny that? nonsense. of course. you guys are basically misrepresenting what we're doing, it's absolutely disgusting, and we'll see you in court. coach richard hood is also teaching today. just round about here. hi, richard. how's it going? how you doing? i'm myles from the bbc. ..for the video that was later irememberyou. yeah. good to see you. posted on his youtube channel. how are you? i'm... i'm good. are you having a good day? i just... i just wanted to ask you about... yeah. go ahead. ..some of the training techniques that you gave us. shoot. so, you were teaching men how i did spend the first couple to pressurise women into having sex. of minutes in that video kind no. that's not true. of looking down at my phone last—minute resistance. you don't remember that, no?

and breaking eye contact. no, no. that's not true. the ridiculous thing is, no. that's not true. in that entire conversation i'm richard, you told me... trying to figure out a way i remind richard of his "point of no return" comment... to let him down gently. i don't remember saying that, no. we don't want to be called a bitch for rejecting someone, you don't remember saying that? i don't remember saying that, no. we don't want to be called rude ..and ask him why he secretly for just closing films women during sex. the interaction down. we've never filmed girls. no, you can see... we've had actresses. no, no, you can see... you can see... that's actresses. it's actresses? so, if we find her, there's all written consent on that? he later posted in his video yes, correct. yes. that he could easily have taken so, is that with everyone? because i didn't see things further with emily. anyone getting consent when you were in conversation. have i given you if i had met her on vacation, consent to film this? on holiday, it would have this is different. i've been trying to get been a same—day lay. a hold of you for weeks. that. . . infuriates me. i was busy. you don't get consent for him to so painfully misread that when we're out in the streets, is. . . is frustrating. listening into women's conversations neither emily nor beth reported but you do when you put videos online. ahmed to the police. is that right? other women did. two days after my expose, anyway, i mean, i don't he was arrested and know where you're trying charged with harassment. to go with all of this. 0k. so, you've done nothing wrong? correct. and you don't think you're breaking the law. then i began investigating of course not. well, i thank you... goodbye hugs? no, i thank you for your time, and we'll be in touch. the online business he's part of. i love you, bro. i love the bbc and i love myles. what an amazing guy. 0k. thanks. thanks, richard. from america to australia, have a great weekend, guys. the seduction industry is said to be yeah. back in glasgow, the trial worth around £80 million. of adnan ahmed is over. ajury has found him

guilty of harassing women. pickup coaches sell courses on how to sleep with as many women as possible as quickly as possible. could they be breaking the law by filming women without consent? rachel o'neill has studied the world of seduction coaches for over a decade. the criminal law tends to play catch up with new kinds of behaviour, and there is always a bit there's an idea that by filming of hesitancy, what can interactions with women — we go after them on? once we have a test case for this on the street, but also up to and including on dates, kind of behaviour that goes in bed and so forth — to the courts and result in conviction, everybody, this is something that trainers can or at least the pick—up artist actually use as a way of effectively branding themselves and marketing themselves, will be clear on what they can and can't do. themselves to their students. it's very common and it's almost entirely unquestioned. while the law plays catch—up, i even asked men about this practice, and they were... women are still being targeted. ..very nonchalant about it. to spread those techniques, without naming it that, they didn't seem to think it was without saying this is what we are doing, a big deal and they were quite it is manipulating women, is really insidious, that is something that really curious as to why i was even asking, why would i even consider that a problem. needs to be addressed.

looking online, there's no for now, men around the world shortage of video tutorials. continue to profit from filming babble of voices and selling what they call the secrets of seduction. a game where women don't even know they are being played. here's adnan ahmed being coached by another pickup artist who's based in london. i think that's why we do game. it's like when the opportunity presents itself, you can strike. he's talking to eddie hitchens — real name edib bajraktarevic. the date went really well, i eventually got her back to my place, and i had sex with her. eddie runs a company called street attraction. it has its own youtube channel featuring what they call in—field videos — covert recordings of eddie and other coaches with young women. hello there. lots more showers to come as we head through wednesday. eddie runs another website behind some of them could be a paywall called ‘approach2lay‘ heavy and thundery. where he promises to reveal his seduction techniques it will stay pretty windy and that all the way to the bedroom. goes for the next few days with low hey, eddie hitchens here. i'll give you all the necessary pressure continuing to dominate. theory, but for extra clarity it it will be to the north

will all be backed up of the uk on wednesday, by intimate in—field footage. tightly packed isobars further south, bands of showers spreading recording such intimate stuff from west to east. in general isn't easy. it could be that we see some heavy, if a girl knows that she's being filmed she obviously won't act thundery ones across southern in a natural way and almost england and south wales through the morning, certainly won't allow herself perhaps lasting to be seduced for fear on into the afternoon. plenty of showers bombarding of her reputation being ruined. western scotland. but we could see some drier because we wanted to capture interludes or lengthy sunny spells the real thing and real through central and eastern areas. reactions, it had to be however, temperatures will be filmed covertly, guerrilla—style. a notch down on what we had street attraction has more on tuesday, so the low than 100,000 youtube subscribers. to mid teens at best. they also sell weekend boot camps lots of showers, blustery, rattling through the country where their coaching techniques on wednesday night. seem to be in demand. here we see adnan ahmed on one lengthy clear spells, though, across more eastern areas of their london boot camps. with temperatures dipping down to 7 to 10 degrees for many. and then through thursday and friday it stays unsettled, could see longer spells of rain in places and it will remain very he's so, so persistent. windy with temperatures ijust love that. on the mild side. the epicentre for pickup artists in the uk is london. boot camps are big business in this industry. the epicentre for pickup artists in the uk is london.

this is bbc news. where a weeked course can cost up to £1,500. welcome if you're watching a week, up to £a,000. here in the uk, on pbs in america or around the globe. i'm mike embley. i'm on oxford street, which is one of the prime spots for pickup artists, our top stories: and you can telljust by looking the white house refuses, officially, to co—operate in the trump around at how busy the place impeachment inquiry, is why they pick it. claiming it is unconstitutional. i want to find out what really goes as the eu accuses the uk of a brexit blame—game, ireland's prime minister warns that on during these boot camps, finding any agreement won't be easy. so i'm going undercover, shaving my beard and ditching my real name. i think it's going to be very difficult to secure an agreement by next week, quite frankly. i have a secret camera we very much want there to be a deal and i'll certainly work until the very last hidden in myjacket. moment to secure that. but not at any cost. clashes between security forces so this is the jacket and protesters force ecuador‘s i'll be wearing. government out of the capital. it's quilted. we'll meet a very special penguin which is good, when it's who found itself on an unexpected the hottest day of the year. we meet in the centre of town. there are six students, from the recently single to the experienced pickup artist...

nice to meet you. ..each paying £600 to learn more about game. the students each hand over wads of cash. the first lesson — the cold approach. how to stop women you don't know in the street. soon it's my turn.

i'm 31. i don't want to approach someone who looks half my age. the coaches seem less concerned. eddie hitchens is 34. all weekend, he and other coaches

suggest approaching teenagers. another coach, richard hood — real name richard kaptar — is also teaching today. he's in his late 20s. so coaches can hear how we're getting on, they mic us up and our conversations with women

are listened to and analysed. and now they're miking me up. all day long, we cold—approach young women, notjust on the streets... we're taught that clothes shops are an ideal hunting ground. we spend a couple of hours here. here, one of the students wearing a hidden microphone is sent to stop a woman.

richard and i eavesdrop on the conversation. this happens over and over again. there is an idea that seduction essentially provides a blueprint that men can follow as a way of interacting with women. so you'll be given a more or less scripted set of lines, routines that you can follow. most training camps now will spend the majority of their time out on the streets, in bars, cafes, museums — any public space, actually practising these techniques, putting them into action. and that means often unwillingly drawing women into these interactions. i was pretty shocked by what these guys were teaching. i wanted to know what young men and women would make of it. they're trying to sell this idea

that this is the safest way to do it, this is the way we've always done it, but in fact it's the most dangerous way because they're not treating them as human. to me i felt like he was preying on somebody that might not know how to get rid of him. i'm actually shaking, i'm so furious. the problem is not seeing women as fully human. sort of seeing women as like a dispenser that you put a certain amount of attention into and sex comes out. back in central london, it's day two of the boot camp. i'm told today we'll be taught how to convert a cold approach into sex. one of the biggest challenges, they say, is what they call "last—minute resistance to sex", or lmr. coach richard hood gave me his advice. richard tells us that men can be too preoccupied with consent.

there's an idea with lmr that women put up a certain amount of supposedly token resistance prior to having sex, and this is something — again, under seduction logic —

there's an idea with lmr that women put up a certain amount of supposedly token resistance prior to having sex, and this is something — again, under seduction logic — that women do as a way of trying to safeguard their reputation. and the thing that's really worrying about this is that it creates a situation in which a woman's no can never be legitimately heard as a no. richard hood thinks he knows every trick in the book. this video called picking up girls in slovakia was uploaded on youtube. he'd apparently secretly recorded himself having sex with a woman he'd just met. by the way, guys, she told me that she hasn't had sex for a year and a half. basically girls who haven't had sex for a while are normally...are usually easier to seduce than girls who have sex on a regular basis. when we speak at the boot camp richard says he has manipulated situations, overcoming last—minute resistance to get what he wants. 00:19:00,979 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 richard's advice didn't stop there.