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parliamentarians to come together and get this thing done. and, as i say, to begin building a new and progressive partnership with our eu friends, with whom, of course, we share so many priorities. now, i have to go to dinner... late! fairly soon. i'm told to keep this very tight indeed, but i'm going to go to laura kuenssberg at the bbc. why are you confident this and get to parliament and when the earth will you do if this falls on saturday? i think that there is a very good case for mps across the house of commons to express the democratic will of the people as we pledge many times to do and to get brexit done. an essay am never tired of telling you, i don't think there
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is any case further delay. we should get on and get it done by october the 31st. was there literally no other way of getting the deal other than to turn over your partners in government, the democratic unionist party? this is a very good deal for every pa rt party? this is a very good deal for every part of the uk and particularly, for northern ireland andi particularly, for northern ireland and i would point out that as i say, from the beginning of northern ireland will be able to join with the rest of the uk in doing free trade deals around the world and all the other benefits that flow from membership of the uk market and of course, without having any checks and any infrastructure of any kind, at the border, and i think that respect it is a great success. i
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will take two more questions. how will take two more questions. how will this deal help heal the deep divisions over brexit in the country? i think that is a very important question. i do think the a nswer important question. i do think the answer is that it will because what it will enable us to do is to get the process of extraction behind us and enable us to come together and focus on building a new partnership with our friends across the channel, not just with our friends across the channel, notjust in with our friends across the channel, not just in brussels, with our friends across the channel, notjust in brussels, but obviously in every other european capital. one of the things that we are doing is building and strengthening our bilateral relationships and expanding our network across the european capitals. george parker. and that is it i'm afraid. laughter.
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you can miss a bit of the dinner. take a few more. prime minister, we heard what jean—claude juncker had to say earlier about the fact that he didn't think that we there should be an extension beyond october the sist. did be an extension beyond october the 31st. did you ask your fellow leaders to make a similar commitment and had they done so? my view has been very clear for and had they done so? my view has been very clearfor a and had they done so? my view has been very clear for a long time. i don't think the delays is to the advantage of the uk or indeed the whole of of europe. i think people wa nt to whole of of europe. i think people want to move this thing on, it's been going on for a long time, and thatis been going on for a long time, and that is a view that seems to be quite widely shared. that really is going to be had. three more. that is it. laughter. prime minister, you suspended the whip from 21 for mps
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when they voted for the benn act, will you treat this vote on saturday ata similar will you treat this vote on saturday at a similar confidence measure and suspend the whip tour mps who don't vote for this field? i when i get into whipping in this industrious... i when i will say is that i do think there is a very good case for voting for this deal on all sides of the house and we will certainly be taking that vote very seriously. second quick go on on the whipping, would you restore the whip for the 20 went mps that you have ejected from the party and watch it labour mps trust you to deliver on your promise over workers' rights? thank you. on the vote, it is a big and important vote and will be making further announcements about that in due course. and there are a series
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of votes. on the political declaration and that text, i do think it is a good text and it gets to the heart of what we want to achieve is a uk in our relationships with the eu in the future, a better class of trade to and also a fantastic new deep and special partnership we want to build. yes, it does also contain an important provisions of the commitments that this country gladly makes about our determination to maintain the highest possible standards, both for the environment and for social protection. we make those commitments gladly and they are entirely right for our country to do. beth, last question. prime minister, nigel dodson earlier today said that you wish to eager by far to get a deal at any cost. and the cost has been their support. you
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have the deal, but you don't have the votes. your predicament no better than theresa may. are you making this a mistake that she did? i think as i say thank you. i think this is a very good deal. i am confident that when mps of all parties look at this deal, they will see the merits of supporting it and getting brexit done on october the sist getting brexit done on october the 31st and honouring the mandate for the people and the promises that we re the people and the promises that were made repeatedly by parliamentarians to the people to get brexit done, and giving us all the chance to move on. i think the imperative is very strong and the opportunity is great, so let's do it. thank you all very much. boris johnson concluding with the opportunity is great and let's do it very much the message after getting that deal agreed with the eu. he started that news conference think this is our chance in the uk to get
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brexit done and to come out on october the 31st. he said he was very confident that when mps look to the deal, they want to vote for it on saturday. he also said extraction having been done, the building now begins going on to then talk about the very positive things in relationships they could have with the union going forward. i like to discuss. rob watson, our correspondent was listening to that. you heard all the questions. all about does he have the numbers, what happens if it falls on saturday?” thought for a man in many ways this isa thought for a man in many ways this is a historic moment, let's remind ourselves of that, the second deal agreed between the uk in the eu. we are on the eve of another astonishing parliamentary moment on saturday. for a man of that position, it seems to me that he was
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rather sort of flat. maybe that is because of the challenge and the exhaustion of the negotiations of the last few hours. but absolutely you're right. there is no doubt that anyway, this a double challenge for mrjohnson and first of all going to deal with the eu in many ways that was the easiest part of this manoeuvre because essentially he was the one who made all of the concessions. the trickier one, selling it to members of parliament. i don't want to jump over the significance of what those people on the screen have actually managed to do today, borisjohnson and jean—claude juncker, and others because, it has been very torturous come everybody knows that, but they got there and that is significant. given the size of the gap. it is significant but don't forget that gap has essentially been broached by the uk giving way. whatever spin you here, essentially, this is the deal thatis here, essentially, this is the deal that is been done because britain has accepted something the eu said
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right at the start, which was if you are going to leave the customs union and the single market, and have a more distant relationship with the european again can northern ireland will have to be treated differently because of the history of place and the desire to avoid a border and essentially, that is what is happening. i guess some critics of the prime minister will say hang on, all of this going around and around and around in order to agree to something that essentially the eu have proposed theresa may. but of course it is significant in the sense that he now saw the deal. and he can take the parliament. which brings us running to the matter. i will come to that. a while ago, we we re will come to that. a while ago, we were listening to all of those eu leaders there and their perspective on the same day, i want to play for viewers what the president of the european council donald tusk said. talking about the significance from the eu perspective. the key change
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in comparison to the earlier version of the deal is that prime minister johnson acceptance to have custom text at the points of entry and toward northern ireland. this compromise will allow us to avoid aborted checks between ireland and northern ireland. —— aborted checks and will ensure the integrity of the single market. —— employment check list of the reality of today as we have a deal, which allows us to avoid chaos and an atmosphere of conflict between the eu 27 and the united kingdom. that was donald tusk, standing in a row where the news co nfe re nce tusk, standing in a row where the news conference with michel barnier, who has done the bulk of the negotiating over the years and jon clarkejunker. negotiating over the years and jon clarke junker. but all of them one by one also expressing their sadness at reaching this a moment where it looks like the uk is leaving. ——jon clarkejunker. looks like the uk is leaving. ——jon clarke junker. let's hear looks like the uk is leaving. ——jon clarkejunker. let's hear more looks like the uk is leaving. ——jon clarke junker. let's hear more from donald. when i feel today is sadness. because of my heart, i will
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a lwa ys sadness. because of my heart, i will always be a remainder. i hope that our british friends decide to return one day. our door will always be open. it was going on. your take on what you heard? both a big win for them and a big failure. a big win in them and a big failure. a big win in the sense that they don't want to know deal brexit, they were keen to get a deal. they don't want to be plain for whatever goes on. —— to be blamed. any wind that it was the uk that made the book of the concessions. but it is a loss in the way they have acknowledged witches that it way they have acknowledged witches thatitis way they have acknowledged witches that it is not a good look. —— at the uk made the bulk of concessions. it is not a good look for the block to have your second richest and when your most popular members in a country with all of the class the uk brings in all of the soft power, the strength of his financial markets, it is not a great look for a block
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to be losing the uk if that is what is happening. two key strands. let's get onto saturday. two key strains to the store. one is today, agreeing a deal and getting that text with when the uk and eu. the other is whether boris johnson when the uk and eu. the other is whether borisjohnson can get that through the parliament for some critical all the way through is the ten votes of the dup and northern ireland party. i will ten votes of the dup and northern ireland party. iwill get ten votes of the dup and northern ireland party. i will get your thoughts on the any moment. let's play for viewers the thoughts of nigel dodds and you see him and the pictures, he has been talking today and he said that they prime minister had been too eager to actually agree to that deal with the eu. at any cost. when he came to saturday's crucible, the party would encourage others to oppose it. let's have a listen. the irish government and europe and london are agreeing to
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drive a coach and horse through the very belfast agreement they profess to support. in order to ensure that on this one single issue of northern ireland being tied to european customs unions and the single market rules by the rest of the uk goes elsewhere in terms of us on regulation, that has to be not by a parallel consent, or consent of unionists and nationals, but that one community can override the other. you were listening to that and you also looked at other comments that have caught your eye. so much depends on their ten block. if they try to actually get other conservative mps who have waited for the dup lead, that is a more problem for borisjohnson. the dup lead, that is a more problem for boris johnson. absolutely. so far it is not looking good. that was nigel dodds, and other prominent dup mp at westminster, everybody would know a lot about him. he is saying we will encourage others to oppose it. not just the we will encourage others to oppose
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it. notjust the dup. they are saying they will go out and try and recruit others and i will give you another bit. he sat in the past, theresa may thought she had got people on board and then found her surprised they were not. i suspect there is every sense of this happening on saturday. it sounds like a threat to me. i will come to perhaps some of the potential scenario are saturday in a moment. in terms of the mass that you currently a re in terms of the mass that you currently are hearing through the various contacts and conversations that you are having, where we think we are with all of this? it is difficult. the bbc has a unit that looks at peace especially, jotting down with the people are saying when talking to people like you and me in the last time i look at the score, it was there hundred and i7 the last time i look at the score, it was there hundred and 17 in favour of the deal for the government, 322 again. —— 3i7. things could move a course one way or the other but that is the way we have been scoring it. based on what mps have told the bbc in other
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journalist now. so they would lose when it is still pretty tight. i suppose we will have a frantic political 48 hours now as i suppose the pressure is really turned on all of those various mps and may be wavering, in terms of the labour opposition but where are they? they are in an uncomfortable place on brexit but i think one of the things they the party has agreed on is there still is bad. and they would not vote for it. that is not to say certain pro brexit members of that party, there are a hand of them but bya large, party, there are a hand of them but by a large, the party is very much against this deal and will vote against this deal and will vote against it as a block. the interesting is is that the labour party is now saying we might think of this idea of saying ok, you can have your deal but on one critical condition, it has to go back to the people and be in the referent of you. we will talk any moment. let's break away to go live to brussels andjoin my break away to go live to brussels and join my colleague christian fraser what's up with talking there
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with rob watson about the political dynamic at westminster because a lot of focus where you are now looking exactly at that and where the masses on all of this. yes. i spoke to the latvian prime minister a few moments ago who said today was one of the easiest days when it came to brexit. they rubber—stamped the agreement very quickly, they think the european parliament will do the same. but they would not do any of that until they get some sort of signal from the house of commons on saturday and they are aware that all the positive spin we just heard from borisjohnson, the the positive spin we just heard from boris johnson, the numbers the positive spin we just heard from borisjohnson, the numbers look very tight and at some point, they may have to look at an extension to but lam have to look at an extension to but i am normally anchored to this position, where as ben wright, standing next to me come against the freedom to wander around. i saw him a few moments ago talking to donald tusk. what did he say? and big scrum over there. he spoke to the polis the rest of violin. pretty circumspect, keeping his cards close to his chest but i asked him whether
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borisjohnson asked for to his chest but i asked him whether boris johnson asked for an extension if this vote is not carried in what the eu would do. he said we are pragmatic and i will not comment at this stage ahead of their bow, of course it matters what we have shown throughout this process we are prepared to be constructive and pragmatic lust are clearly living the door open for a further extension if boris johnson writes the latest and access that he doesn't want to do. i know you watch the press conference. didn't have much detail. what shine through was this optimism which many people will say was misplaced given the fact that the dup would not back it. yes. i think they're what optimism and i thought there was a weary resolve that we are now quite used to seeing from these in your clearly they are sick of this whole thing. having only a few months ago saying there would not reopen the withdrawal agreement at all, they have completely ta ken the agreement at all, they have completely taken the withdrawal agreement at all, they have completely ta ken the agreement at all, they have completely taken the backstop out, and play something else and which effectively is voided checks on goods going into northern ireland.
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as faras goods going into northern ireland. as far as they concern, boris johnson has moved a long way. that isa johnson has moved a long way. that is a big concessions. which they hope it is enough now to get this deal do parliament. but they know the numbers are as tight as you said. what do you make up boris johnson? has he calculated that you saidi johnson? has he calculated that you said i wouldn't get a deal and i got a deal and said i wouldn't get a deal and i got a dealandl said i wouldn't get a deal and i got a deal and i wouldn't get every open. if you want to then voted down politically, it is a win—win for me? that is right. he was told repeatedly by the eu of the early summer repeatedly by the eu of the early summer that there was going to be no reopening of the agreement. that is what has happened here and he got a new deal in the backstop has gone. and if this is rejected by mps on saturday, he can go to the country in the election we all assume will soon in the election we all assume will soon follow and say i got a new deal and it was parliament that did not let us do brexit and itjust did not inflame an increase of this... let us do brexit and itjust did not inflame an increase of this. .. on the flip side, a big customs boarded
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down the rbc, the dup accusing him a breaking of the uk. in breaking up his coalition. —— write down the uk. ink probably made harder to get this through. 23 votes short of a majority of this point today. that isa very majority of this point today. that is a very tall order trying to find a numberto get is a very tall order trying to find a number to get this too what labour up a number to get this too what labour up close to it in the dup insisting there would not vote it will be hard to find the numbers to get this to will labour opposed to it in the dup insisting there would not vote. it will be hard to find the numbers. if somehow this switch to the house of commons, it does that enable him to go onto a general election saying i did deliver brexit by the 31st of october and we are out front that which is a pretty strong place for him to be. but it all now about the house of commons. labour front benches will never vote for their father but there are a good number, may be 20 labour mps representing who will rest with this but that —— it will never vote for this bus up and they don't want to vote for a borisjohnson brexit and they don't want to vote for a boris johnson brexit and and they don't want to vote for a borisjohnson brexit and help and they don't want to vote for a boris johnson brexit and help them out. but i want to honour the result
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of the referendum and obey the instruction that they constituents gave them to leave the european union and they may feel this is the la st union and they may feel this is the last chance to guarantee a brexit deal is back. it will be, the conversation going on now between numberten and the conversation going on now between number ten and the labour mps will be intense. you can all hinge on the path of high risk. they will spend the well. i will release you so you can mingle some more. good intel. thank you, ben. just to reiterate, the european parliament has said they will look at this and ratify this deal for at least a week because until they reconvene until the middle of next week, you can see the middle of next week, you can see the timing smatter and you get quite tight if you want to leave on october the 31st, he needs things to move quite quickly. how would a technical extension work for him politically? i'm sure he would be keen on that. you are right. thank you. christian fraser life for us in
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brussels. let's come back to rob watson. in terms of the variety of options for saturday, we heard from ben wright touching a planet, take us through some of the key things we are likely to see in terms of option. in terms of options, there will be the deal, if you want to vote forward, yes or no, and i think there will also be a possibility that there will be other options, such as what about having to deal and attaching a second referendum. when at that been put to parliament before, they fell short because most british mps as my colleague said, they think the idea of another referendum, given how divided the country is, probably one of the worst options. it may of course come to that, if british politicians cannot sorted out, it may come to that. i suspect that will be one of the options. i think borisjohnson, also perfectly possible there will bea also perfectly possible there will be a bow of the note which one suspect will lose once rather
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heavily but i think that been said that likely there. whether this deal gets a pass, it depends on to what extent enough mps think, i don't like brexit, i think there still is rubbish but we need to do something. thank you, rob. you will stay with me. we will talk again in the next few minutes off the thank you for all of that analysis on the various trends and there are so many assurance of this brexit story. let's turn for the next two minutes to syria. a snapshot, that picture over my shoulder tells the story. grown patients at the turkey president meet with us vice president meet with us vice president mike pence who are his president mike pence who are his president erdogan for an immediate end to their offensive and to syria but not repeatedly refusing, turkey say they will continue operations against kurdish forces until they achieve their objectives what the bible to show you the live shots coming into us from ankara. much delay to the course of this afternoon but that is the lie picture. we are going to hearfrom
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mike pence and mike pompeo, the secretary of state, their comments after this trip and visit in the meeting with president erdogan. they have been urging him to pull back. so far, all of those surgeons that have been dismissed by the turkish president. we will take that and bring you that as soon as a start. our middle east editorjeremy bowen sent this a short while ago from ankara. if he is a long way from the city, ankara to the war in syria. and everything that is happening there. but president erdogan a turkey says that the people of this capital and that the people of this capital and that this country are going to be safer because of what he has ordered the turkish army to do in syria. the american delegation led by vice president pence and secretary of state pompeo flew into ankara with a
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very clear brief from president trump, he has threatened to destroy the turkish economy, if turkey doesn't agree to a cease—fire in syria. now it is doubtful that the american delegation is going to be able to achieve anything lasting with president erdogan bus of the two sides positions where he apart. it is hard to see whether common ground lies. it could be the meeting that really matters is the one that is due next week between president putin and president erdogan. putin has made russia into increasingly the dominant foreign power in the middle east, as america has retreated, he has advanced. president putin has wanted to be the puppet master in the middle east, he made aside the time is come to become a peacemaker in the region. the deal may be done through him.
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not to the americans. jeremy bowen, bbc news. almost at a time for the programme. let's turn to our main story. boris johnson speaking after agreeing to that deal with eu leaders. here is a little what he had to say a short while ago. we have been at this now for three and a half years. it has not always been an easy experience for the uk. it has been that long, it has been painful, it has been divisive. and now is the moment for us asa divisive. and now is the moment for us as a country to come together, now is the moment for our parliamentarians to come together and get this thing done. as i say, to begin building a new and progressive partnership with our eu friends and with whom of course we share so many priorities. that was borisjohnson. he also said he was very confident mps will vote for it
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when it comes to that vote on saturday. at the numbers at the moment look a little against them. plenty more coverage on bbc news, stay with us on that. thank you for watching. positive spin on things today. let's see if the european parliamentarians are putting such a positive spin on things with me is philip, who sits on the brexit steering committee. lovely to see you. what do you make of the deal and his chances of getting through? we are back here to where we have been before. we had an agreement with the british prime minister, it was theresa may back then. now we have an agreement with then. now we have an agreement with the british prime minister, theresa may, who enjoyed at that time a nominal majority, in this case, we are dealing with the prime minister that does not even have a working majority, so i guess the challenge is deeperfor boris
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majority, so i guess the challenge is deeper for boris johnson majority, so i guess the challenge is deeper for borisjohnson to get a majority then it was far theresa may. basically we are here with a variant of the deal, so the solution to the average problem, limited to northern ireland, which was our first proposal by the way, theresa may's request, we expanded it to the entire uk, now with wash—outs, backtracking to northern ireland only solution, my sense is there is no majority for in the house of commons. no majority because the dup say the consent mechanism that is in there is not a veto for them. and there is not a veto for them. and there was never any question for us to a cce pt there was never any question for us to accept such a veto. nothing will change. no matter how much do you in? then the question is even if the prime ministerjohnson would enjoy the support of the dup, he was still far short of a majority. don't forget he kicked out 20 weight of his own three weeks ago, i'm not sure that all of them will be very happy to come back into the fall and say thank you boris. and i'm not sure that members of parliament for
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the opposition have been radical by the opposition have been radical by the sideline by borisjohnson will be happilyjoined the sideline by borisjohnson will be happily joined them the sideline by borisjohnson will be happilyjoined them for them —— have been a ridicule have yet to see this what to be fair to characterize that you have a a few that you would really love brexit to be put on the shelf? and for the british side to come back and have a second referendum and all that wasn't where i get there is a feeling for some of the european council members from some of the leaders that actually they are now resigned to that and they are now resigned to that and they would really like this deal to be improved? of course wasn't there it's boutique all over the place. but the question is if we get a request and donna sus was clear come if we get a request for an extension and basically it is to a second referendum, what we will consider it. -- referendum, what we will consider it. —— brenton fatigue all over the place lots of gas, i am a remainder in all my british mps or remainder trust up yet, we are saying second referendum we are not saying a revocation, we are saying let's give it back to the people, we have a
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negotiated deal. let's put that deal toa negotiated deal. let's put that deal to a referendum. i am a democrat. we are all democrats must up if a majority says we are to confirm and happy with the deal and go from brexit, fine. not my preferred outcome but we are democrats now. the majority could decide otherwise and that is fine. and we would campaignfor and that is fine. and we would campaign for that. but we were the result. jeremy corbyn today says his general election plan is to come back and negotiated another deal and then to put it to the people in a second referendum. would you be open to that? that is a bit... we have been clear, there's not many variants of the deal because of the consents variants of the deal because of the co nse nts of variants of the deal because of the consents of the graphite agreement. these constraints will apply to a government led byjeremy corbyn as well. —— of the good friday agreement. here we are talking about withdrawal agreement and i bet you a withdrawal agreement and i bet you a withdrawal agreement and i bet you a withdrawal agreement designed by jeremy corbyn would like very much different because the changes that he wants to make is about the future
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relationship and this is predicated on having an agreement and again the withdrawal agreement does not give much leeway. so when he and his supporters say this is an affair get deals or they one theresa may had, you're saying it is pretty much the same customer it is different in the sense that we have a special arrangement for northern ireland. all the options ijeremy corbyn would want any future deal to still achieve? exactly. but the political declaration is not the withdrawal agreement. the agreement would remain pretty much unchanged. it is either the media of thejohnson thereby basically one of those. big final thought, boris johnson politically once this all done by the 31st of october, he doesn't really wa nt the 31st of october, he doesn't really want this extension. if he was running by the house of commons, how quickly could you at the european parliament elected ? how quickly could you at the european parliament elected? that is where you see the benefit of the working omission. they in a day out
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