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after talks with the us vice—president, turkey says it will pause its advance to allow kurdish forces to retreat from a 20—mile zone on the syrian side of the border. now a kurdish commander says his forces will also accept the 5—day suspension. having secured a brexit deal with european leaders the british prime minister now has the more difficult task of securing the backing of the uk parliament. he has urged mps to vote for the agreement at a special sitting of parliament on saturday. donald trump's acting chief of staff mick mulvaney has acknowledged that military aid to ukraine was held up — partly to put pressure on the ukrainians to investigate donald trump's political opponents, the democrats. the president's dealings with ukraine are the focus of a congressional impeachment inquiry.
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now on bbc news: thursday in parliament. hello, and welcome to thursday in parliament. a brexit breakthrough ministers hail a deal "good enough to eat". this deal is the deal that one can eat with joy and pleasure. opposition mps aren't impressed by the menu. could he tell me what on earth has happened in the last few months which changes his view of the deal from cretinous to one of the best things that has ever happened? also in this programme, a government u—turn on pornography upsets mps. the government has the choice, they start protecting children now from online pornography or they leave them exposed,
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the choice is the government's. all that to come and more. but first, the uk and the eu have agreed a brexit deal ahead of a meeting of european leaders in brussels. boris johnson and jean—claude juncker called it a "fair" outcome, and the eu commission president said there was no need to extend the brexit deadline at the end of this month. most of the deal is the same as the one agreed by theresa may last year. the main change will replace plans for an irish backstop, the insurance policy to avoid the return of a hard border, with a new system which in effect draws a new customs border in the irish sea. but the prime minister still faces a battle to get the deal through parliament at a special sitting on saturday. the leader of the commons, a prominent brexiteer who had initially opposed theresa may's deal, told mps this time things were different. it is a really good, exciting deal, that takes out the undemocratic backstop and delivers
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on what the prime minister promised he would do, in 85 days achieve something that could not be achieved in three years. every single member who stood on a manifesto saying they would respect the will of the people in the referendum can support this with confidence. all our socialist friends can support it with confidence because it delivers on the referendum result. it is a really exciting day in british politics, all eurosceptics, all my friends who set where i use to sit can rally around this deal and i hope that my... i hope my friends in the dup will also find that what it does for the whole of the united kingdom as something over which they can have comfort and support. the dup have said their ten mps won't vote for the deal. but even that failed to ruin jacob rees—mogg's appetite. the honourable gentleman asked me if at any point i would have
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to eat my words and i have to say that this deal is a rosini of the deal, it is a deal that one can eat with joy and pleasure and it is the finest culinary delight for me to have. the leader of the house in another role somewhere over there earlier described the kind of deal that it appears is being done by the now prime minister as and i am quoting him mr speaker, "cretinous." could he tell me what on earth has happened in the last two months that has changed his view of the deal from "cretinous" to one of the best things that has ever happened? is it actually his sudden appearance at the despatch box that changed his mind? mr speaker the honourable lady is unduly cynical. laughter. this is a fundamentally different
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deal because the undemocratic backstop is gone and why is that so important? the backstop meant that the whole of the united kingdom could be kept in perpetuity in the customs union and the single market and can only leave with the permission of the european union. it was harder to leave the backstop then to leave the european union. since she hasjust extolled the virtues of allowing the northern irish assembly to decide whether they want to change their minds about the deal that has been agreed, why is he so opposed to the british people deciding whether they want to change their minds on the deal that he hasjust extolled the virtues of before the house that i have to say to him is not a culinary delight but is really bad for the future of our country. surely he agrees with me that as elected representatives we would be failing in our duty to our constituents if we were to vote on a deal which would impact on their future and the futures of their children without foresight of that likely
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impact, can he therefore connect to me that he would do everything in his power to ensure the impact assessments are published and available for this house to see before saturday? i am very grateful to the honourable lady who raises an interesting question, there are any number of impact assessments that people have made about what will happen when we leave the european union is that we will have... let me give you my impact assessment, it will be a golden age for the united kingdom, where we are free of the heavy yoke of the european union that has bound us down for generations, that has made us less competitive, less efficient and higher cost. all of that will be gone and we will be singing hallelujahs, i give way to the honourable gentleman. i am very grateful to the honourable gentleman for giving way. he boasts that the backstop as he says has gone and there was no need for the backstop given the uk government has capitulated on the customs union and single market and will they did the same for scotland? keep us in the customs union and the single market, if it is good enough
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for northern ireland, it is good enough for scotland. i am absolutely astonished that the honourable gentleman who i thought was a feisty highlander in fact calls for capitulation. neither her majesty's... you are even higher, all right. her majesty's government has not capitulated in the same way the honourable gentleman would be the last person to capitulate. it has in fact succeeded and we will be out of the customs union and the single market and northern ireland will be in a single customs union with the united kingdom as a whole. this is fantastically exciting and a very important development. the deal did have some support among conservatives who had voted against theresa may's deal. does my honourable friend shared my surprise that so many people are commenting on the media and rejecting this bill out of hand without giving this bill the thoughtful consideration that 33 million people who engaged and the biggest democratic process ever would expect us to give to it, that we should listen to this new deal and give a thoughtful,
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not a tribal approach but a thoughtful approach on whether this deal should have our support. but winning overformer tories might be harder. i was a proud member of the conservative and unionist party which in my opinion has now become the conservative and brexit party and i actually now believe in my lifetime we could see a united ireland because of the way that the border has been drawn in the irish sea and the consequences for the island of ireland. anna soubry. the lords will also be debating the deal on saturday. there, news of the deal was announced by the brexit minister, lord callanan. my lords, i am pleased to tell the house that we have this morning concluded a new withdrawal agreement with the eu and the government's intention is to agree an ambitious future partnership including a best in class free trade agreement which establishes effective customs agreement for the movement of goods between the uk and the eu,
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once we leave. those words came in answer to a question from the former plaid cymru leader lord wigley. he wanted to know about latest proposals to avoid delays at the port of holyhead after the uk has left the eu. we all realise that the trade relationship between ireland, the north of ireland and the united kingdom has been an essential sticking point in the brexit process and the devil is in the detail. and therefore the detail has got to be transparent and watertight. will be minister tell the house what assessment the government has made, specifically in the context of northern ireland produced perishable goods, bound for england, up to 60% of which go on lorries via dublin and holyhead, as to whether or not they will be subject to party control at holyhead because to avoid cues of 500 lorries stretching three miles long, the movement of goods through holyhead has to remain seamless and unhindered
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as it is today. i think the noble lord makes an important point and he can be assured that we are working hard to make sure that there are a zero queues at holyhead and we want arrangements to be as seamless as possible so that the transport of perishable goods goes forward without any hindrance. labour asked about the implemention or transition period for the new deal. given that originally we asked for two years, i think the government in the first time settled for 20 months and it now looks as if the date in december next year is true, it would only actually be 12, 14 months to put all of this into place. given that holyhead is our second busiest port, how does the noble lord minister expect that all the new checks on welfare of animals and perishable goods, on customs, on the ap will all be implemented by december of next year? the noble lady is correct that the end of december 2020
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is the end of the implementation period should the deal be agreed which i hope it will be but of course there is the option to extend, if that is necessary. but we are confident that the implementations can be put in place as long as there is goodwill on both sides. a border in the irish sea is a hurdle which ever way you look at it. what estimates have been made on the impact of this arrangement on the volume of trade between great britain and ireland, both north and south? and can the noble lord tell us if additional funding will be provided to the welsh government to help deal with the logistical problems of the back—up of lorries referred to by the noble lord wigley? i think the noble lady is being too
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pessimistic and we hope that there will not be any back—up of queues that she referred to, we want to agree a best in class free—trade agreement about will make sure there are no tariffs, no quotas and therefore at minimal checks that will be required so there should be no queues but of course we are working closely with the northern ireland, welsh government and the scottish government to ensure all of these arrangements are as seamless as possible. i was wondering if the noble lord the minister could tell the house what arrangements might be in place if there were a small group of welsh mps of different parties whose price for voting for the deal was the same as the dup wants to achieve two years ago, whether the government has given any thought to this? we want all mps either from wales orfrom northern ireland to back
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the deal because we think it is a good dealfor the united kingdom, i think we should pay credit to the prime minister who has done what all of the opposition parties said was impossible and said it was impossible to reopen the agreement, we have done that and concluded a new deal and has yet again proving all the gloomsters wrong. the brexit minister lord callanan, never to be confused with a gloomster. you're watching thursday in parliament with me, david cornock. don't forget that there will be a special saturday in parliament programme on bbc parliament featuring the debates and votes from that rare saturday sitting. the international trade secretary says britain will not roll over in a future trade deal with the united states. answering mps' questions, liz truss also urged donald trump to reverse tariffs on key exports. single—malt scotch whisky exported to the united states is to face a tax of 25% from friday. the new duty is part of a raft
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of measures being imposed by the us in retaliation for eu subsidies to the aircraft manufacturer airbus. other goods being targeted include cashmere sweaters, dairy products, pork, books and some machinery. scotch exports to the us last year were worth around £1 billion. we are extremely disappointed that the us have decided to levy tariffs, including on the scotch whisky industry. i have urged my us counterpart to rethink this, and the prime minister has also raised the issue with president trump. we now have only 12 hours before this is implemented. so can she tell me what action she will take in the next 12 hours to delay this? and if she cannot delay it, what will she do to mitigate the impact, paticularly on the small and medium distillers who rely so heavily on the us markets? i have made it very clear to the americans that it is not helpful in terms of our relationship with them to see these tariffs placed on such an iconic industry,
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amongst other industries in the uk. a former scottish secretary said he'd asked boris johnson to speak to donald trump, which he had done. i also asked for consideration to be given for an announcement that the uk would not levy tariffs on bourbon when we left the eu. can she tell us something about her consideration of that? well, the... when we leave the eu, clearly, the uk will be responsible for its own tariff policy. at this point, we are part of the eu and we are part of those overall discussions on tariffs, so we cannot make that type of statement at this time. our biggest export sector is services, and they are invisible, particularly financial services. and our biggest export market is the us. can the secretary of state tell the house what discussions she had about opening up financial services exports to the us and removing some of the nontariff barriers?
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well, my honourable friend is absolutely right. this is a fantastic opportunity for the uk. and when i was out in the us, i met bob lighthizer, and i also met the treasury secretary to discuss with him those potential opportunities. because the uk is not just going to roll over in a trade deal with the us. we are going to make sure that our industries are promoted and we want barriers removed in the us to our successful service industries. other mps were more worried about the potential impact of brexit on trade. i said before about the impact of export tariffs on welsh lamb and beef exports, which would be seriously damaging for those welsh farmers that i represent. we also have heard the government talk up japan recently as a tariff—free export destination, but only £4000 worth of lamb goes to that particular country. can the minister provide a guarantee, yes or no, that the livelihood of welsh farmers
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such as those in my constituency will not suffer as a result of the imposition of these tariff exports? defra is working with the treasury to make sure that there is support for lamb farmers in the eventuality that there are potential issues. however, what we also need to do is open up more markets for british lamb. i've particularly got my eye on the us market, which is the second—largest importer of lamb by value in the world. and we need to make sure that welsh lamb farmers have more places they can export to. a labour mp had an invitation. come to huddersfield, meet my exporting companies, meet my top managers who believe that she is sticking a dagger into the heart of the exporting companies of this country. we want to know what the future is for exporting businesses in yorkshire when we leave the eu, if we have to leave the eu. well, i can tell the honourable gentleman that i'm going to be in yorkshire next friday.
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talking to exporting businesses. if the honourable gentleman wants to extend an invitation to an exporting business in huddersfield, he should get on with it. liz truss. the digital minister has faced a barrage of criticism over a decision by his department to scrap plans for an age verification system to prevent children viewing pornography online. the so—called "porn blocker" would have forced commercial porn providers to verify users' ages orface a uk ban. the minister said other measures would be deployed within new laws on online harms instead. the secretary of state should not make the perfect the enemy of the good when it comes to child protection, especially after so many assurances have been given by the government that once the privacy issues have been dealt with, and they now have been, these regulations would be brought into law. for the government to renege
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on its commitments in this important area is a very retrograde step, and i urge my honourable friend and the secretary of state to think again. no—one is pretending that the proposals, either in online harms or in the original legislation, would be perfect, but we should do all we can to make them as good as possible. and i honestly believe that we will achieve more in the protection of children by taking this slower but more comprehensive approach than we would have done by taking forward the faster one that she says as well would end up having been reviewed relatively quickly and i suspect wrapped into the online harms agenda as well. ever since its inception, this policy has been beset by mistakes, mishaps and month after month of delay. we raised serious concerns at the outset that this policy was not well thought through,
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would pose serious privacy concerns and would prove near impossible to implement. the government used every excuse in the book to explain the delays, but today, we know the truth. the policy as conceived by the government was unworkable, and he's finally ditched it. i asked my own daughter, who was 11 at the time, if she had seen such images, and she had. these are our own children, children of many members, who are stumbling across this. yes, we have to get it right, but we have to get something in place now as quickly as possible. i'm really struggling to understand the logic here. 14—year—olds, 95% of them will have seen porn. we know, it's well—documented, the harm that causes future relationships. so why, when the age verification regulator was ready to install this by christmas, can they not go ahead? there's nothing i've heard from the minister today
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or was written in the ministerial statement yesterday that gives any good reason why this decision has been made. there is no reason why these provisions could not have been commenced and the online harms process been added to it. the decision has delayed this for at least a year, as the minister well knows, if not longer. and can he explain why it was the previous secretary of state came to the house injune and said that this will be commencing as soon as possible and there was no change in policy and now there has been. what has happened between the summer and now that this decision has been made? some will say a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, but i think we can overall go further and do better with this approach. and i think it is an agenda piece so important, it is worth us taking our time to get it right. i'm very shocked at this u—turn by the government. the framework that had been created to support section three of the digital economy act was robust, it was a start, a platform to start protecting children from online harm. why can't it continue in parallel with the online harms legislation being developed? the two are not incompatible. the government have a choice — they start protecting children now from online pornography
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or they leave them exposed. the choice is the government's. the government needs to treat this with much more urgency and respect than it has done. how is the government, how is the minister going to demonstrate urgency in protecting our children from accessing pornographic websites? there are over 50 which are streaming out this material daily, many not from the uk. age verification is achievable. a company in my constituency is already giving highly accurate digital id in 170 different countries. what will the government do in using this brief delay to ensure that social media is encompassed within their reform? thank you, mr speaker. she highlights one of the crucial differences between our new policy approach and the old one. and that is that we are now able via the online harms white paper to consider what the duty of care might mean for social media companies in a way that would not have been in the scope of the original proposal.
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the government's approach seems to be give us more time and we can produce a better system. so, as parents, when we can we be satisfied that there will be a system in place that will protect our children from the corrosive effects of online pornography? as i say, he characterises our response absolutely correctly. it is time that will allow us to produce the best possible solution for protecting children. we will be responding to the online harms consultation by the end of the year, and we will be bringing forward legislation for scrutiny in the new year. matt warman. some mps might have found it tricky to get to work after the extinction rebellion group targeted one of the three london undeground lines serving westminster. there were scuffles at canning town tube station in east london after demonstrators climbed onto tube carriages. it was the latest in a string of demonstrations in london in recent days. a conservative mp dismissed
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the protests as he praised the record of past tory governments in reducing carbon emissions. the 40% reduction since 1990 didn't happen by a magic wand. the biggest part of that, and the honourable lady wouldn't take my intervention on margaret thatcher, but this is the point. the biggest part of that reduction by far was the move from coal to gas. the closure of the coal mines in this country was the singularly most divisive, bitter industrial dispute this country has ever had. and i say this with no relish, but what happened in the miners' strike, what happened in the ‘90s when the miners marched through central london, we didn't want that to happen, but it was a necessary policy to put through in the national interest. the idea that you canjump on a tube train or spray fake blood on government buildings and cut co2 emissions, it takes real action.
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a labour mp said ministers should be taking extinction rebellion‘s message more seriously. if they're worried about public support, they should stop suppressing extinction rebellion and the youth climate strike and start listening to them. make citizen assemblies. test the ideas and engage people in a positive way. my final message is stop the complacency, act ambitiously. the green mp said the government should set a more ambitious target for reaching net zero emissions. norway is committed to net zero by 2030. finland by 2035. iceland by 2040, sweden by 2045. my point is that 2050 is not global leadership. in an emergency, you don't dial 999 and ask for the emergency services to come in 30 years' time. you want them to come now because the emergency is now. and, mr deputy speaker, a target on its own does not bring down emissions. action does. the environment secretary defended her government's record. we are a country that has shown that economic and environmental success
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can go hand—in—hand. we've cut our emissions by over 40%, faster than any other g20 country, while growing our economy by more than two—thirds. that includes a 25% cut in greenhouse gas emissions since the conservatives returned to office in 2010. theresa villiers. that's it for thursday in parliament. i do hope you canjoin me on bbc parliament on friday evening at 11pm for the week in parliament, the programme that does what it says on the tin. thank you for watching. bye for now. hello. given that we've seen so much
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in the way of rain and some pretty hefty showers over the past few days, in many parts of the british isles, you've probably forgotten there's another face to be had from autumn. it's the quieter, still, misty, sort of chilly starts to the days, and if that's the thing you've been hankering after, that ridge of high pressure will eventually topple its way towards the british isles, but you're going to have to wait until monday. no doubt about it, in the short term it's been this — the odd bit of blue sky and some pretty hefty showers, all thanks to a big area, not of a ridge of high pressure but quite the opposite, in meteorological terms, a big area of low pressure and it's still the boss as we work our way through friday. some pretty heavy overnight rain quitting the scene from the south—east but lingering for a good part of the day through the north—east of england, perhaps into the south—eastern quarter of scotland. following on behind, something a little bit quieter and drier for a time. showers predominantly there across western and southern
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parts, but gradually some of them percolating away through the course of the day further towards the east. friday into saturday, the same area of low pressure and on the southern flank we may have another area of cloud and rain just skipping in from the near continent to get into the very far south—east. some areas will stay that wee bit drier, we suspect, but this banner of cloud will drag some rain across the eastern side of scotland into the north—east of england yet again, and elsewhere, there will be a peppering of showers. temperatures about 10—15 at the very best. and that temperature profile will be tempered across northern western parts given the strength of the northerly wind. on sunday, we see the same banner of cloud and rain slowly easing its way down into the north of england, leaving behind cold, bright conditions for the greater part of scotland and northern ireland in a straight northerly wind, so not overly warm. and even in the south, you'll have lost two or three degrees, but sunday, a somewhat drier and brighter day away from that little occluded front in the scottish borders in the north—east of england, and we start the new week with that
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quieter look at autumn with the mist, the chilly start, some cold nights to come at least for a few days. there will be somewhat drier conditions to be had across the greater part of the british isles. watch out for mist and fog first thing, that could be a bit of an issue, but once the day gets going, a lot of dry weather, very little in the way of blue to speak of,
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welcome to bbc news — i'm mike embley. our top stories: after a visit from the us vice president — turkey agrees to a five—day pause in fighting in northern syria. britain and the european union shake hands on a new brexit deal — but there's doubt over whether the uk parliament will back it. donald trump's chief of staff mick mulvaney told reporters aid to ukraine was held up for political reasons — then he said he hadn't. we do that all the time with foreign policy. fierce gun battles after ovidio guzman lopez, son of the mexican drug lord el chapo, is arrested.
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