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with utterly fed up with brexit and they wa nt utterly fed up with brexit and they want this out of the way as soon as possible. we will talk about the march tomorrow in a minute, we should pause and take due consideration of what it involves. the question to us tonight is, not will it go through, but should it go through? we've had precious little time to discuss this deal, so maybe there is a case we are looking at in more detail. but the daily mail, they seem to have a little doubt for this deal. they wanted to go ahead and they are resoundingly 47% againstjeremy corbyn. not surprising givenjeremy corbyn‘s sta nce surprising givenjeremy corbyn‘s stance on brexit, which has been very ha rd to stance on brexit, which has been very hard to decide. and in many ways, it has hurt him a bit. but as you said many times now, and i completely agree, people are very tired. whether you are excited or fed up with brexit, people want some clarity and they want to speak about other public policy issues, once i have gone over look for a long time.
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and i think we need to discuss what is in this deal, although i think what borisjohnson did quite successfully was go to the eu with the complaints about theresa may's deal, the clear criticism of the backstop and the political declaration. much of the withdrawal deal has not been opened, we've assessed that to death in many ways. but the backstop is gone, changed to a democratic consent mechanism, albeit a difficult one in northern ireland. but it gives northern ireland. but it gives northern ireland much more control, that veto overtheir ireland much more control, that veto over their future relationship with the eu. in the political declaration has changed dramatically and in a good way, to suggest the uk doesn't wa nt good way, to suggest the uk doesn't want to be a role tickle with the custom want to be a role tickle with the cu sto m style want to be a role tickle with the custom style arrangement test roll taker. they also want free trade around the world. i think that is clear. and i hope mps have been doing theirjobs the last few days reading through the fine details, but you have a lot more willing to sign up to vote for boris johnson's deal. you sound as if you get what this new deal is? what might you understand the detail? don't get me
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too much credit, i would hope anyone who has been looking through it that they understand the headlines of it. it's fairly clear cut and what has been coming from the eu is that they have this clarity and focus to— three years ago, this deal could have been done quickly. i don't think it is a credit as a people understand it, ithink think it is a credit as a people understand it, i think the think it is a credit as a people understand it, ithink the eu and the uk have a better idea of where they want to go. there are important differences like the demolition of the backstop. large elements of this are what theresa may suggested three yea rs are what theresa may suggested three years ago and it was rejected by none other than boris johnson years ago and it was rejected by none other than borisjohnson and his colleagues in the tory party.|j think things like actually paying the £39 billion was something contested but accepted if the deal we re contested but accepted if the deal were better. the key areas where people complained were where they negotiated on. but you're right, it may be another example of a man taking credit for a woman's work. boris just climbs in
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taking credit for a woman's work. borisjust climbs in his prime minister as a last minute and takes the credit. turning to the daily telegraph, and we are getting an idea here of numbers. but also a potential spanner in the works? the former government minister who has introduced putting forth this amendment, now known as the light when amendment. it's an insurance policy against us crashing out. his fear is that some people may vote for this deal tomorrow and then withdraw their support at a later stage in the negotiations for the detailed trade deal, and try and crash britain out of it with no deal at all. it's an insurance policy in his view i of that happening. other people see that as the amendment being a wolf in sheep's clothing and attem pts being a wolf in sheep's clothing and atte m pts to being a wolf in sheep's clothing and attempts to delay it to the point where we will have to go on for
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months and months. i think the generous analysis is that it is an insurance policy, and the goodwill and good faith and politics right now is at rock bottom. after the prorogation and it going to the courts in it being found unlawful, you can have a little bit of sympathy saying they still want to make sure that they are not just trying to be tricked. but i find it very ha rd trying to be tricked. but i find it very hard to believe that the johnson team spent all this effort into a dealjust to throw it out and laugh. if this amendment goes through, it's that it would be politically humiliating for acute borisjohnson. politically humiliating for acute boris johnson. he said he would rather die in a ditch... he has said that and it would be difficult, and i'm sure his opponents would like that. it is deeply concerning that if this deal goes through, they will fudge with the deal he's gone through, at a second referendum or customs union to it. that is not the deal he has negotiated, so if you give that extension, a lot of people
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think it makes brings it less likely to happen. their numbers are interesting tonight, because i think you indicated to me before we came on that he told the bbc he would be voting for it. he had a face like thunder when it came out at downing street. but obviously he's been persuaded to lend his support. some suggest that would bring boris's support up to 320. but if laura ginsberg can't call it, then no one can. what is interesting is that according to the telegraph, what a mixed bunch it is. john redwood, mark francoise said he would. stephen connect, my former colleague at gm tr breakfast time, norman lamb and amber rudd with teresa failures, it in the environment... early in the day, erg was saying as it
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stands, we will not vote for it. so for the deputy chairman to come out and say this, when the daily telegraph went to press as the front page we are getting, 319 yes‘s is what saying, 312 no's, a undecided. if this is true, it brings it up to the 320. in theory. and if the light when amendment were to go through, thatis when amendment were to go through, that is a massive span spanner in the work because they feel they aren't voting on a concrete deal any more. some mps would vote on it because it's less binding, but i could see a scenario where the ha rdliners could see a scenario where the hardliners don't want to give any credit to the amendment. in that situation i think the numbers continue to be in flux. the situation i think the numbers continue to be influx. the daily telegraph has themselves a yugo of pole, saying 45% want it to
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pass. people are tired, that is the resounding message. just because you're tired, the first question you asked, john, should we vote for it just to get rid of it was a question i posed alongside the independent headline today, because that heralds the big march tomorrow. apparently it will be a very big turnout, the crowd demands a referendum because they are not happy with the bill, they are not happy with the bill, they want a referendum anyways. they aren't happy with the details. the element you can understand their concern, if the labour party is to be believed, this bill would lead to less rights for workers in the employment field, it would hamper the guidelines and rules regarding the guidelines and rules regarding the environment. it would open up the environment. it would open up the nhs allegedly to invasion by american companies. boris johnson said the nhs is not up for grabs,
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but do you believe borisjohnson? the case is that it will hamper environmental legislation, but the uk, if it chooses to, can divert. but the uk is doing more than the re st of but the uk is doing more than the rest of the g7 to tackle climate change. i never believed it was in the uk's interest tojust change. i never believed it was in the uk's interest to just throw that all out the window. the big difference is that people will be closer to the decision to make her body making the decisions, there vote to the united kingdom control that policy more now. if it is as hunky—dory as being suggested, why do they not publish the impact assessment? what have they got to hide? that is more of a negotiating tactic with the eu. but we've heard whispers that downing street may make a comment about workers' rights because they know that is what a lot of labour mps because they know that is what a lot of labourmps are because they know that is what a lot of labour mps are concerned about. we are going to look at the sun in oui’ we are going to look at the sun in our next edition of the papers, there is an op—ed in the sun from there is an op—ed in the sun from the prime minister, but to give you a few lines, a taster on that subject, he goes on to say that "we
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will be able to do free trade agreements around the world that have the potential to create thousands of jobs and have the potential to create thousands ofjobs and reduce your weekly bills. at the same time we will be able to give our own domestic guarantees to maintain the highest possible standards both for workers' rights and for environment of protection." will that be enough? it won't be for some because... envisaging a similar scenario to what we have now. the gdp will be £130 billion over the next few yea rs, £130 billion over the next few years, and everyone will be £2000 a years, and everyone will be £2000 a year or worse off. it's fun to imagine these free—trade deals, but most of them take years to negotiate. and who can tell anyone they will replace and be better than they will replace and be better than the deals we've had with our biggest partner? you're absolutely right thatis partner? you're absolutely right that is the gamble of brexit. the opportunities are immense but the opportunities are immense but the opportunities can go wrong. people in the uk who have that vote will be able to determine which governments
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they want to be dictating these things. a lot of these protections you have to take with a pinch of salt. we were told that houses would be £4000 worse off after the brexit vote essentially. and a lot of those predictions, you have to look at the fine detail because they obviously don't assume anything will change. if the uk were to liberalize its corporation tax laws... take all of this with a massive pinch of salt. and i think the public doesn't have much faith in either side when they come out with the statistics because so come out with the statistics because so many have been proven wrong. come out with the statistics because so many have been proven wronglj would buy that. turning to the financial times, moving off brexit. syrian assault, if us troops failed to spur curtis retreat. this is president erdogan worrying that u nless president erdogan worrying that unless the us maintains that buffer as they've been doing the last few days, then his assault will continue. many people around the
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world, including in the us, amongst democrats and republicans, frankly are disgusted by what trump did. let's not forget, they've lost many thousands of lives fighting on behalf of the us, the uk and all the western islands. now they're having to turn to bashar al—assad, of all people. thousands of people driven out of their homes because of this decision. i personally find it appalling. the us is going through this fascinating transition at the moment where on the left in the right, i think it is extreme to say it's becoming isolationist, but people are taking less of an interventionalists people are taking less of an interve ntionalists stand people are taking less of an interventionalists stand than they did in the past. you see that with the democratic nominees for 2020 as well as donald trump. quite rightly there's been massive push back on trump from both sides of the debate because the kurds in particular have been trained by the
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us to fight isis on many occasions, on america's behalf and their behalf. we made lots of promises to the kurdish that we would stand up and protect them. and to pull the rug out from under them in the way that trump has with little warning has created what i found tonight hundreds of hundreds of civilian deaths. i don't know the official figure on it. two kids fighting ina official figure on it. two kids fighting in a back garden, sometimes you have to let them fight and pull them apart? good lord. it's awful. lets go online to the post, and other businesses in trouble? the retailer has gone into administration, the employees, near 3000 people, 318 shops around the uk. the company is blaming brings uncertainty, and while i'm slightly so uncertainty, and while i'm slightly so pathetic to this because i think brexit uncertainty has been bad for all business large and small in the
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uk and europe, and even in other countries, it is never helpful for a business to not know what the rules will be, we need to look at this in the context of a much larger discussion about the future of the high street. this is been an issue long before brexit. people are changing their shopping behaviour, shopping online. to simply blame it on brexit is not dealing with the situation. it is a contributing factor, but this isjust situation. it is a contributing factor, but this is just another sad famine ofany factor, but this is just another sad famine of any high street, i live in a prosperous street in london, but even our high street heaven week after week, another shop is closing,... after week, another shop is closing, . .. we after week, another shop is closing,... we need to find what people are interested in consuming now, they prefer experiences. high streets need to be able to conform to that. speaking of experiences, the duchess of sussex has been talking about what a horrible time she's been having? she's part of
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a documentary that goes out over the weekend, i only saw a tiny clip of the on the news. he effectively asks her how it's been, and she pauses for quite a long time. i'm paraphrasing it what she says, but she says it's not been easy. getting married, becoming a member of the royal family married, becoming a member of the royalfamily is married, becoming a member of the royal family is not easy. it has its issues for any... i'm madden she's talking about the pageantry and the spotlight of it, she's found it difficult. when i found interesting was that she thanked him for asking. that was the killer point. nobody else asked her how she was feeling in the royal family. else asked her how she was feeling in the royalfamily. i'm sure some of them have, but it left me with the distinctive impression that this lady felt very lonely, a bit isolated. i found it heartbreaking to watch because i felt for her, and a lot of the press she gets, the subtext is deeply unkind and often
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unfair. racist? some of it has been. but you have to balance that with the fact that her and harry have decided to be much more politically engaged and have a much louder voice in the media, and i think what we need to talk about is the type of criticism that has allowed. their life style criticism that has allowed. their lifestyle is certainly attracting speculation, and i think it is fair to comment. but how we commented when we comment, and the kinds of accusations we direct towards them needs to be much more considered. also they would be criticised if they didn't come out and take part. why should they get involved —— shouldn't they get involved in issues they care about? why shouldn't they have a point of view? i think you need to be careful in that position, especially as they are not politically elected. the fame that they have comes from a certain kind of privilege. if it comes from a certain type of privilege, the scrutiny is legitimate. but how we scrutinise and what we say about her specifically should be a lot more considered by the media, because i think it often hasn't been. also the
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timing of when these lot debts they launch these campaigns, it is almost a perfect storm. we will look at the op—ed by the prime minister boris johnson, he has replied to the concerns of workers' rights and the lowering of environmental standards. john and kate will be back at 11.30pm for another look at the papers. the headlines are coming up at 11pm. good evening, what a week of whether it has been. most of us probably glad to see the back of it. —— weather. the showers have been relentless, i'm pleased to say that as we go across the weekend, the story will improve. perhaps not as many as we have seen. still under the influence of low pressure, and we will start off with some pretty intense showers up to
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the far north, first thing on saturday morning. showers running down through eastern scotland, drifting towards the borders in northeast england as we go through the morning. if you showers out to the west will push further england, but for much of england and wales it will be a quieter story than the days just past. 10—15dc, bins to the north of that band of showers running through east scotland will turn to northerly. allowing dosimeters to fall away as we go through saturday night into sunday morning, some of the showers will ease and we go into those single figures first thing on sunday morning. sunday looks likely to bea sunday morning. sunday looks likely to be a drier, better day for many of us. that will certainly come as welcome news. dry weather in the forecast, but a bit cooler so a chilly start, winds up swinging around to the northerly. u nfortu nately around to the northerly. unfortunately that northerly wind might dragon a few showers of a little more in the way of cloud here in the east coast —— dragged in.
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further west into the south, we will see more sunshine coming through, fewer showers and a better day, certainly for getting out and about. temperatures of 9—14dc. high—pressure is sent to build in the working week, a slight? over whether we will see some shall remain. looks unlikely, but generally speaking on monday, not a bad start to add the working week. there will be a bit of fair cloud around, but generally speaking, dry and sunny with temperatures peaking at highs of 9—14dc. this theme is said to continue, so if you have outdoor plans, i don't think you will be too disappointed into the early half of next week. if anything, the winds will swing around more to a southerly again, so around more to a southerly again, so a bit milderfrom around more to a southerly again, so a bit milder from wednesday onwards. and as you can see, a good deal of dry weather in the forecast. so some showers around for tomorrow, a better day on sunday, a quieter
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start to any working week. good night.
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a race against time as the prime minister tries to rally enough support ahead of tomorrow's crucial vote on his brexit deal. what matters is mps coming together across the house tomorrow, to get this thing done. the vote tomorrow afternoon is looking extremely close. the government hopes to persuade backbench conservatives, and some labour mps too. explosions. turmoil in barcelona: police fire rubber bullets and use tear gas at protesters
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angry at the jailing of catalan separatist leaders. more than 700 people arrested in a week as police crack down on drug gangs operating across the uk. and two nasa astronauts make history with the first ever all—female spacewalk. and at 11:30 we'll be taking an in—depth look at the papers with our reviewers, broadcasterjohn stapleton and associate director of the institute of economic affairs, kate andrews. stay with us for that. good evening. borisjohnson's brexit deal is on a knife—edge tonight, with the numbers too close to call ahead of tomorrow's crucial vote

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