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welcome to bbc news, live from westminster. today at five — the speaker of the commons, john bercow, refuses a government request to hold a vote on its brexit deal, saying the question was already put to the house at the weekend. my ruling is therefore that the motion will not be debated today as it would be repetitive and disorderly to do so. i note the dilemmas you face mean that on occasion you will sometimes have to please some and not others, but it is becoming remarkable how often you please one lot and not the other. we'll have the latest as mps continue to debate the next step for the prime minister's brexit deal. also in today's bbc news at 5...
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sources in the royal household say prince william is concerned for his brother. prince harry and his wife — the duchess of sussex — open up about struggling to deal with the pressures of being in the spotlight. the biggest thing that i know is that i never thought this would be easy but i thought it would be fair. and coming up, angry scenes at stormont as members walk out of the first assembly meeting for three years, paving the way for abortion and same sex marriage to become legal in northern ireland. it's five o'clock — our top story — the speaker of the house of commons, john bercow, has ruled that mps cannot vote on the government's brexit deal today. he's been forced to defend his decision, after a number of mps challenged his ruling.
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downing street says the government is disappointed with the speaker's ruling and that they would now prefer to go ahead with the introduction of the withdrawal agreement bill. we're expecting to hear the government's legislative plans for the week shortly — but ahead of that let's just remind ourselves of the day's key events. so the speaker has ruled out a vote on borisjohnson‘s brexit deal, saying the motion had already been brought before mps on saturday and that it would be ‘repetitive and disorderly‘ to debate it again. this weekend, mps nodded through an amended motion which withholds approval of the prime minister's deal until it has passed into law. the government will publish legislation this evening to implement its eu withdrawal agreement bill, which will be scrutinised by mps. the withdrawal agreement bill triggers the legal process of the uk leaving the eu. earlier today, the court of session — the highest court in scotland — delayed a decision on whether the prime minister has fully complied with a law requiring him to ask for a brexit extension,
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known as the benn act. for more on today's events, here's our political correspondent, jessica parker. once more into battle? people may feel like they've been here before. here is the man who gets to decide, the speaker, john bercow. can the government have another go at getting mps to give a broad nod to its brexit deal? enjoy your visit to the house. after efforts on saturday didn't quite go according to plan. order. i wish to make a statement to the house. the verdict, no. today's motion is, in substance, the same as saturday's, and the house has decided the matter. today's circumstances are, in substance, the same as saturday's circumstances. my ruling is therefore that the motion will not be debated
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today as it would be repetitive and disorderly to do so. some welcomed the decision, saying the government is trying to browbeat parliament. making certain that it votes again and again and again on the same thing until it gets it right. surely, mr speaker, this is an important defence of freedom in our democracy. but others will openly question thejudgment. it is becoming remarkable how often you please one lot and not the other. so, frustration in some quarters. earlier, this minister argued there was no time to lose. we just need to get on with this. i think many people across the country are just exhausted by this continuing delay. meanwhile, ministers are introducing the legislation needed to actually
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turn the brexit deal into law, but expect skirmishes ahead over a possible deluge of amendments, as mps try to push forward their own ideas about what brexit should look like, whether it should even happen at all. i think you are likely to see an amendment seeking to put this whole deal back to the british people, because actually that's the way to get it done. you are likely to see an amendment saying that we should remain in a customs union, which would help to solve part of the problem on the border between gb and northern ireland. there is pressure to deliver on the deal, and some mps say they are not ready to ram through the legislation. this is a huge bill, likely to be 100 pages, and we all know rushed law is bad law, but this isn'tjust any old law, it's the political rewiring of our country and it has to be done properly. more political drama looms tomorrow but some may feel that today was yet
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another damp squib. lets go to the houses of parliament now and speak to our political correspondent chris mason. you got a real sense of the anger on both sides of the house? yes, jeopardy postponed again really. we had afair jeopardy postponed again really. we had a fair dose of an on saturday then there was talk maybe today would for the big decision, yes or no, so—called meaningful vote on the borisjohnson vision of brexit. the speaker said no. thinks president suggests you should not be reaching a decision that has already been taking citing president dating back the best part of 400 years. later this evening, the withdrawal agreement bill, the bit of legislation needed to make brexit happen, will be published on with it all sorts of documents about what it might look like. mps will have a chance to read it but not long
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because tomorrow will be the so—called second reading of the withdrawal agreement bill where mps in the chamber will be able to stand up in the chamber will be able to stand up and say their piece and at some stage quite possibly tomorrow, we may get a vote and a verdict from mps. and also a chance for plenty of mps. and also a chance for plenty of mps from the opposition or wherever to lay down amendments to try and shape of brexit any different way, to argue it shouldn't happen at all what you call for another referendum. let me introduce you to the shadowjustice referendum. let me introduce you to the shadow justice secretary. referendum. let me introduce you to the shadowjustice secretary. your reflections on this afternoon and what the speaker has done? some saying he was acting partially and he should have a right house expressed it's well. i don't think it was a surprise to anybody. you correctly stated it is a precedent that goes back 400 years but it was back couple of months as well, in that jacob rees—mogg himself, leader of the house, welcomed this president being applied when it suited him a couple of months ago when they were trying to bring
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theresa may's deal back again and again. it is not a surprise to anyone. it looks like spoiled brats throwing their toys out of the pram because they have not got their own way, trying to bring the same vault the next, it is a bit of a joke. you have got to understand some you win, some you lose, they lost, let's move oi'i. some you lose, they lost, let's move on. let's talk about the next couple of days in the withdrawal agreement bill coming into the commons. get details tonight and discuss it tomorrow. what you want to do as the labour party to amend it? you are favour of a customs union, a close relationship with the european union, are you going to take an amendment to make that case? let's see what we table once we look at the bell and have a discussion. we have always been supportive of a customs union with the european union because you think that is key to trying to protect our economy, further improve it if we can and safeguard jobs and protect the
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future of prosperity after nine years of austerity. in practical terms, do you think it would be possible to amend the spell for a customs union, but ten to secure a majority? —— bill. —— potentially secure a majority? and argue that could be a change to the political declaration. in other words, the borisjohnson one declaration. in other words, the boris johnson one could declaration. in other words, the borisjohnson one could pass but the future vision of brexit would be different from his? as it stands we cannot support his deal. let's see what amendments succeed. as you say, we got close to the customs union vote not too long ago, it wasn't because of labour votes that it didn't pass but other parties and independents not voting for it even though they support the idea of a customs union. as it stands, boris johnson deal explicitly takes out the requisite and required protections of workers' rights and need just can'tjettison protections of workers' rights and need just can't jettison protection of workers' rights as a labour
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movement. to come back to your words from a couple of minutes ago about the procedures in the commons, what about the argument that some of our viewers might be thinking, listening to our conversation, the some you win and some you lose and you guys lost the referendum, and it is time to stop slowing this process down. lost the referendum, and it is time to stop slowing this process downlj understand the frustration but three years has passed. the campaign was led by people like borisjohnson saying no deal would not happen, people like borisjohnson imprisoning on the side of a bus false promises about a national health service stop he says no deal doesn't have to happen because there isa doesn't have to happen because there is a deal. he says a lot of things, he even gave unlawful advice to the queen. i understand people pass frustration but that is why i say people should treat with caution borisjohnson's slogan, people should treat with caution boris johnson's slogan, get people should treat with caution borisjohnson's slogan, get brexit done. it would not be the end of the
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beginning because it would mean the start of all sorts of further tariffs and data sharing, incredible leave option and remain out two ways of getting that done and under a labour government we would like people describe which they want. with an insight into the debates to come and i guess, setting out of the reality that whatever happens tomorrow, in the next week, in the next month, this brexit conversation is going to rumble on. it may well just ramble on, you are right. kevin connolly is in brussels for us. i understand donald tusk has begun ringing round the european leaders. he has. that will not be a quick process or a public process, it won't be dramatic but that is the way the european works. donald tusk
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is the president of the european council, the man who is a convenor for the leaders of the european states. he is the man who received boris johnson's letter, states. he is the man who received borisjohnson's letter, requesting an extension. he is the man who has to get some sort of consensus about what to do about it. not surprisingly, that process is on the way but of course, he and the other european leaders are going to want to see what happens at westminster before the country to a decision. they need to know if they are being asked for an extension for a couple of days to allow paperwork to be filled in for a couple of months to allow the politics to play itself out. there is, of course, growing frustration in european capitals and brussels especially with the way this has played out. they are going to have to weigh very carefully how to have to weigh very carefully how to proceed because they want to get brexit done. the time when we had to say how much everyone regretted brexit here has gone, i think, and
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now they really want to get it done because they fear it is not done, it is going to drain political energy out of the european project in general. one slight fly in the ointment as far as timetabling goes is this idea that emmanuel macron might bea is this idea that emmanuel macron might be a way the week beginning the 28th of october. who decides whether there is an extension? did they have to reconvene the council? do it by letter? that is a very good question. i think the answer is, as far as we understand it, if this was just a matter of days or weeks to allow legislation to be signed off, to allow the process to be completed at westminster, then you might be able to do that by written consultation, by a letter of agreement or by consultations involving the ambassadors of various european countries here in brussels. that is something short and simple. anything more practical or complicated or involving genuine
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questions ofjudgment complicated or involving genuine questions of judgment about whether it isa questions of judgment about whether it is a good idea to stretch this into next year and how far, you would have to get the leaders together. i the best thing about emmanuel macron's diary arrangements. i would emmanuel macron's diary arrangements. iwould be emmanuel macron's diary arrangements. i would be amazed if time cannot be found for him to come here, if it was really critical, to getting the eu's attitude towards brexit right. i think he would be here at some point in that week but that decision does have to be taken before the 31st of october because thatis before the 31st of october because that is the heart out of date and that is the heart out of date and that doesn't change unless and until they come to any decision. —— that is the hard out date. i'm joined now by bronwen maddox who's the director of the institute for government. does tamara's vote on the second meeting of the bill effectively become the fourth meaningful vote? it isa become the fourth meaningful vote? it is a different kind of thing and it is the beginning of a different process and it will test for the first time whether mps are going to
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try and put formal amendments to this piece of legislation. so the government won't see it that way? this is an entirely separate thing. tell me what is in the withdrawal agreement bill, what is in it? three quarters of it is the same as theresa may's deal but the other quarter is quite different. in summary, quarter is quite different. in summary, it makes for a less close relationship with the european union. as we have heard emphatically over the past three days or so it is very different with northern ireland. it says northern ireland will remain effectively in the eu customs union and closely aligned to the single market and therefore, there has to be some kind of text in getting goods from the rest of uk over to northern ireland, and it provides consent, which is new from theresa may's deal, so that the northern ireland assembly would have
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to vote every four years as to whether these things would go through, that has been controversial. and what it does say about relations with the european union, they are less close. in what it says about the single market and how it treats customs, those things are how it treats customs, those things a re less close how it treats customs, those things are less close though borisjohnson had to make one concession which is offering something of a level playing field, that the have a giant competition on regulations and standards. these are hugely complex pieces of legislation and that is why the mps need some time to be able to study this. but there are two parts to the withdrawal agreement, the legally binding bed. which is called the withdrawal agreement. exactly, and the future, the political declaration which is non—legally binding. if the mps were to amend the political declaration i imagine the political declaration i imagine the government could live with that because they can change it at a future date. that is much easier for
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the government to cope with because it isa the government to cope with because it is a much shorter 5—page expression of intent about future relationships with the european union. but the withdrawal agreement ta kes union. but the withdrawal agreement takes an international treaty withdrawal agreement and writes that into uk legislation. amendments to that give the government more trouble, especially on issues of the customer union. supposing they managed to get a vote for a customs union into the withdrawal agreement pa rt union into the withdrawal agreement part of it, presumably that would mean the government would have to go back to brussels and renegotiate? mean the government would have to go back to brussels and renegotiate ?m depends on the wording very likely it would and that is something the government would be loath to do. they would pull it? i would not make any promises or firm predictions they would pull it? i would not make any promises orfirm predictions but there are several ways in which those supporting a customs union could try to write that in and what you have just described could try to write that in and what you havejust described is probably the most troublesome for the government. thank you very much. we
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are going to speak to andrea jenkins the conservative party shortly but she is not with us at this moment in time so we will move on and come back to her. scotland's highest court has decided to delay a ruling on whether the prime minister is obeying the law as set out by parliament in the so called benn act. 0ur scotland correspondent is in edinburgh for us. lorna, they did not come to a decision oh, it is on tape. it is, you say, all to do with those three letters that were sent on saturday night. the government lawyers here said there was no case to answer that the government had complied with the law. aidan 0'neill, the qc acting for the campaigners who brought this case said, yes, the government had complied with the law but said they had sailed close to the wind with the letter that the prime minister had sent,
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saying he still wanted brexit to happen by the 31st of october. scotland's most senior judge lord carloway said that letter had been very carefully written, so no case for the government to answer in terms of what has happened thus far but really this case now, this hearing, is all about looking forward, looking to the future, looking to what happens over the next two weeks and that is, in effect, if an extension was granted by the european council then the prime minister would be legally obliged to accept it. lord carloway said the case should continue until obligations under the law have been complied with in full. the campaigners here are very pleased that result. no date set as yet for any further hearings but the option is open to the court, if the government weren't to comply or accept any extension offered, would perhaps be contempt of court. the court could find the government or the prime minister in contempt of court. it could order the prime minister
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to send a letter accepting any extension or it could send a letter on the government's behalf. so no decision as yet, but this case will return to the court of session at some point in the next two weeks. the duke of sussex has admitted he and his brother are "on different paths" amid reports of a rift. in an interview with itv he said they have "good days and bad days". in the same interview, the duchess of sussex said her friends warned her not to marry the prince, because the newspapers would — as she put it — destroy her life. jon donnison reports. filmed during their recent trip to africa, this documentary reveals that, despite appearances, the royal couple are at times struggling. harry says he sees his mother diana in every camera and flash bulb.
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every single time i see a camera, every single time i hear a click, every single time i see a flash, it takes me straight back. so in that respect, it's the worst reminder of her life as opposed to the best. meghan says she's been shocked by the level of press intrusion, even though herfriends had warned her before she got married. my british friends said to me, "i'm sure he's great, but you shouldn't do it, because the british tabloids will destroy your life." and i very naively — i'm american, we don't have that there — "what are you talking about?" prince harry talks about the relationship with his brother. inevitably, you know, stuff happens, but, look, we're brothers — we'll always be brothers. we are certainly on different paths at the moment but i will always be there for him as i know he will be there for me. prince harry acknowledges he sometimes needs support, saying he still struggles with mental health issues. i thought i was out of the woods,
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and then suddenly it all came back and i suddenly realised, "actually, no, this is something that i have to manage." erm... look, part of this job, part of anyjob, like everybody, means putting on a brave face. the turnaround from a sunny wedding day a year and a half ago is very sharp. jon donnison, bbc news. abortion is to become decriminalised in northern ireland at midnight tonight, after an attempt by the dup to block the legislation failed. it brings the region into line with the rest of the united kingdom after more than 50 years. the change to the law was passed by mps in westminster, as the northern ireland assembly in stormont failed to resume sitting again today. 0ur ireland correspondent chris page was at stormont and sent us this report. demonstrating for decriminalisation, for the last time. campaigners have been marking
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the final hours before abortion law in northern ireland is liberalised. among them this woman who made a huge impact on the debates by speaking out about her story. sarah ewert travelled to london for a termination after her unborn child was diagnosed with a fatal condition. not only will today allow people to have the medical procedure here but it will also allow people to have a grave to visit, maybe ashes to have at home. that is something i don't have for my little daughter, ella. yards away, a group who feel this day is a sad one are praying. first and foremost, we ask you to protect the innocent in the womb. in this part of the uk, there has been a passionate clash of values over the restrictions on ending pregnancy. abortion is the most personal of matters but in northern ireland it is one of the most contentious, emotive and complex issues in the public domain. with there being no prospect of the devolved government returning today, the change in the law's set
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to take effect at midnight. 0rganisations lobbying for the current law to be kept have pressured the stormont parties to go back into government to stop the changes. that hasn't happened but they are going to keep campaigning. we have always talked about a trinity of law, services and culture, even if the law falls tonight at midnight, what we want to do is ensure that the culture is there, the services are there during pregnancy and beyond, because we know the culture in northern ireland is life affirming. it has already ensured that hundred thousand people are alive today. what do we want? the right to choose. when do we want it? now! the demonstrations, arguments and prayers have gone on for decades. northern ireland's on the brink of a huge social shift on an issue that many regard as a touchstone for the sort of society they want to live in. chris page with that report from stormont. let's talk to him now in our belfast newsroom. as you said in your report, this is one of the most contentious and emotive issues in northern ireland.
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what happens then from midnight tonight? what actually changes on the ground ? tonight? what actually changes on the ground? well, the legislation passed where you are in westminster ta kes passed where you are in westminster takes effect, it actually affects two big social issues. on abortion, well, termination of pregnancy will be criminalised and a legal duty will be put on the government to put in place regulations to set up abortion services in northern ireland. at the moment, it is only legal for ireland. at the moment, it is only legalfor a woman ireland. at the moment, it is only legal for a woman to have an abortion if there is a serious and permanent risk to her health. the legislation says that conditionality for being a serious and permanent risk will be removed, in other words abortions will be available in a woman's help is at risk and for a number of other circumstances too. as of mid—may, a law to legalise same—sex marriage will come into effect a still from the debris of next year gay couples were able to get married here. in stormont, the
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focus is very much on abortion. it is an issue that provoke strong feelings on both sides of the argument. the democratic unionist party wa nt argument. the democratic unionist party want to keep the current ban on abortion and in the assembly chamber, pdp leader arlene foster said as faras chamber, pdp leader arlene foster said as far as she is concerned this was a very difficult day. we will make sure that we do everything we can in our conscience to protect the life of the unborn. the former power-sharing parties sinn fein boycotted the proceedings of the assembly altogether so that meant the assembly proceedings didn't get far, abortion wasn't even properly debated so as things stand we know that there will be no coming back from the legislation that was passed in the house of commons back injuly and from midnight abortion will be decriminalised, same—sex marriage will be on the way to becoming legal also. a big, big moment for northern
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ireland. indeed, thank you very much for that. the secretary for northern ireland is talking at the moment. there is an urgent question down in the house about devolution being restored to northern ireland. 0nce about devolution being restored to northern ireland. once that is finished we are expecting jacob rees mogg, the leader of the house, to set up business for tomorrow. we are expecting the government to put the withdrawal agreement bill down and we are also expecting a vote on the second reading of that tomorrow but we will wait forjacob rees—mogg to confirm that. while we watch that lets have a quick check on the weather. there has been a lot of cloud streaming in from the north sea. we have got lots of rain and drizzle but for east anglia and the south—east of ingrid. we should see the back of that overnight and we will probably find the cloud thinning and breaking a bit more for
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england and wales. more cloud will be toppling into scotland and northern ireland. want be as cold as last night but a chilly night for england and wales with mist and fog patches around as well in the morning. sky should brighten up with some more sunshine for england and wales. always a bit more cloud further north and there is more of a breeze picking up in scotland and northern ireland. that should keep the rain to the north of scotland so generally a dry day, a much better day. eastern parts of england will the sunshine, temperatures will be high to these areas, the south—east, qasim one or two showers. elsewhere, across england, wales and eastern scotland, should be a dry day with sunshine at times. we have a band of wet weather setting in because northern ireland and western parts of scotland. some heavy rain over the hills and those temperatures, 12-15dc.
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the speaker of the commons, john bercow, refuses a government request to hold a vote on its brexit deal, saying the question was already put to the house at the weekend. my house at the weekend. ruling is therefore that the emotion my ruling is therefore that the emotion will not be debated today, as it would be repetitive and disorderly to do so. i note the dilemmas you face mean you will sometimes have to pleased some and not as but it is becoming remarkable how often you please one lot and not the other. prince harry and his wife the duchess of sussex open up about struggling to deal with the pressures of being in the spotlight. sources in the royal household say prince william is concerned for his brother. the biggest thing that i know is that i never thought this would be easy but i thought it would be fair. and coming up, angry scenes at stormont as members walk out of the first assembly meeting for three years, paving the way for abortion and same—sex marriage to become legal in northern ireland.
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and coming up, criminal firms exploiting british computer users with claims their computers have viruses. we get an exclusive look at the international investigation. let's return to that decision the speaker took earlier in the house. let's speak to the conservative mp, andrea jenkyns you can't have been entirely surprised by the decision this week i took today. no, this was so predictable. i can see why you would say it would be predictable but he would say the substance and the circumstances around the motion are entirely the same as they were on saturday. yes, but the speaker also has discretion, he could have used his discretion, and it is a different set of circumstances at this time. we have never had a fourth vote on boris' withdrawal
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agreement, but it also echoes how westminster is so out of touch with the general public up and down the country. people are sick of this, they want us to get on with brexit, deliver it, and get domestic policy. thwarting brexit, delaying it further, it is not for democracy. why didn't the government bring their vote on saturday afternoon? it had been amended but it would have given an indication as to where support was in the house. as we have seen support was in the house. as we have seen the shenanigans at the moment, including on my own side, clearly we have got factions here who are just trying to stop brexit. the likes of the lib dems who want to revoke article 50, the labour party want a second referendum, so when boris des bring it back this week, no doubt the labour party will try to attach things like a second referendum and the customs union on there, which is quite unpalatable to a lot of us.
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but dominic raab told andrew mark said they had the vote. surely they should have tested it. at the end of the day, it was the likes of oliver letwi n the day, it was the likes of oliver letwin who was trying to delay brexit and on saturday it was actually about the political game playing with the opposition and those against brexit, the 0liver letwi n of those against brexit, the 0liver letwin of this world, the labour and liberal democrats. this was about them wanting boris to send that letter. that is why they did not wa nt letter. that is why they did not want the withdrawal agreement to go through. that is why they attached 0liver letwin's amendment, and that is what it was about on saturday. tomorrow is a fresh day and let see if we get the withdrawal agreement through. what i am finding speaking to colleagues is that boris is getting more and sip more support for this. most of us just want to get it done now. let's talk about tomorrow, a second reading of the bill. if you expect that to go
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through, the next really big hurdle is probably the timetabling motion, because you want to get this done by 0ctober because you want to get this done by october 31. there are many in the house who want much longer to study it. they want much longer time, but we have been talking for three and a half years about brexit and we just need to get it done. that timetable, again, this is the political game playing of those mps opposed to brexit, because they want us to go beyond the 31st of october because, for the likes of the labour party, they realise they are behind in the polls and they want to see boris failand polls and they want to see boris fail and not delivering on the 31st of october, so it isjust fail and not delivering on the 31st of october, so it is just politics with the labour party and the liberal democrats, it is not caring about putting an end to this for our country. i am gratefulfor about putting an end to this for our country. i am grateful for your time. thank you. we will come back to that over the course of the next half an hour. now let's get some sport.
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there is bad news for wales ahead of their rugby world cup semifinal against south africa next sunday. they have lost josh against south africa next sunday. they have lostjosh navidi for the rest of the tournament. the back rower, who is mostly being deployed at number eight, tore his hamstring in the first half of their quarterfinal win over france. but centre jonathan davies, quarterfinal win over france. but centrejonathan davies, who missed that game with a knee problem, should be fit for the semifinal. very disappointing for him. he has been very influential, very important for us in the last year, so important for us in the last year, so it is disappointing for us to have a player ruled out. but in saying that, these games are so physical and to have only lost one player at this stage is a real positive for us. england should have a fully fit squad to choose from for their semifinal against reigning champions new zealand on saturday. they have been a little bit worried about jonny may, who scored two tries
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against australia. he had a twinge in his hamstring but he should be ok for that match. jack nowell is also backin for that match. jack nowell is also back in contention. two men have been arrested in somerset by police investigating alleged racist abuse that caused an fa cup tie to be abandoned on saturday. haringey borough's players walked off during the game against yeovil town, saying their goalkeeper had been spat at and hit by an object thrown at him. it comes as the premier league re—launched its no room for racism video, which was shown at every premier league fixture this weekend. andy murray is going to represent great britain for the first time in three years. he was instrumental in winning it back in 2015. he won the european open yesterday, his first singles title in two and a half yea rs. singles title in two and a half years. he had a second hip operation
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in january. also years. he had a second hip operation injanuary. also in the squad, dan evans andjamie injanuary. also in the squad, dan evans and jamie murray. the last few years have been extremely difficult, both me and sta n extremely difficult, both me and stan have had a lot of injury problems in the last couple of years. amazing, obviously, to be back playing against him in a final. that was andy murray talking about winning the european open. kyle edmund is' hopes of making that davis cup team have been dealt another blow this afternoon. he has just lost his eighth match in a row on tour. he is knocking on the top ten, his italian opponent. that was in vienna. he hasn't won since the beginning of august. that is all your support for now. i will be back at 6:30pm.
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thank you very much. if you are just joining us, let's remind you of the latest brexit developments in the house of commons. john bercow has ruled that mps can't vote on the brexit deal today. he was forced to defend his decision after a number of mps questioned his decision. i note the dilemmas you face mean that on occasion you will sometimes have to please them and not others, but it is becoming remarkable how often you please one lot and not the other lot. i would also... i would also remark... i would also remark, mr speaker, that you have inveighed against most unusual things happening in this house which you did not like and i would say it is most unusual for did not like and i would say it is most unusualfor a did not like and i would say it is most unusual for a speaker so often
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to prevent the government having debated the matters which the government wish to put before the house. i haven't got off the top of my head a count of the number of times that i have granted in the past urgent questions and in some cases, though they were less fashionable at the time, emergency debates to people of what was then called a eurosceptic disposition and would now be called a brexiteer disposition, and the honourable gentleman was one of them. and when i was granting the honourable gentleman and some of his honourable gentleman and some of his honourable and right honourable friends the opportunity to challenge, to question, to probe, to scrutinise, in seven cases to expose what they thought were the errors of the government of the day, i don't re call the government of the day, i don't recall the honourable gentleman
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complaining. mr speaker, could i make a helpful suggestion, that you send a photocopy of erskine made to members of the government. but on a more serious... jacob rees—mogg is setting out the business for tomorrow. commencement of committee of the european union withdrawal agreement bill. wednesday, the 21st of 0ctober, —— 23rd of october, continuation of proceedings on the european union withdrawal agreement bill. thursday, the 24th of october, conclusions of proceedings on the european union withdrawal agreement bill. friday, the 25th of october, the house will not be sitting.|j call on their shadow leader, who no doubt will have a prepared contribution, but i must emphasise to the house that i regard this as a very narrow business statement and i would gently discourage colleagues
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from xp shading on a vast amount of matter is that they could happily do on thursday. let's keep it narrow, because that is what it should be. thank you, mr speaker, but i want to start, because this is the first opportunity i have had on behalf of of the opposition to thank the clerk of the opposition to thank the clerk of the opposition to thank the clerk of the house as a senior accounting officer responsible for the house and all be house staff and the doorkeeper is and security offices for looking after us and enabling the house to get together on saturday to do our work, and also the police and security services who have escorted right honourable and honourable members and their families on their way home and keeping us safe. can i thank the leaderfor the keeping us safe. can i thank the leader for the business statement. keeping us safe. can i thank the leaderfor the business statement. i was obviously disappointed that the leader did not give me notice on saturday that he was going to make a point of order. he will know that a point of order. he will know that a point of order is not the way to alter business, it is a procedural motion of the house on which mr
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speaker can rule. so it would have been helpful if the leader of the house could have done so. he will know that on that historic day, 24 points of order on his point of order were made and my first question to him would be, why did he leave the chamber when he couldn't hear the rest of the points of order? he is the voice of the house in government. can i ask him, because he has not mentioned when we are going to have those important debates on the queen's speech, which we re debates on the queen's speech, which were scheduled for monday and tuesday. i know that the government don't appear to care about the nhs or the economy. we on this site happen to think they are very important topics. this all could have been done in an orderly manner so have been done in an orderly manner so could the leader of the house say when those and the remainder of the queen's speech will be scheduled. there withdrawal agreement bill is a
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crucial bill, it is vital that it receives the proper scrutiny of the house. could the leader of the house say when it will be published and it is not right that the secretary of state for exiting the european union has —— says it has nothing to do with the matter. and when will the programme motion be put forward. could the leader of the house also confirmed that the government has no plans to pull there withdrawal agreement bill and that it will be voted on if and as amended. this whole process could have been conducted in an orderly manner. he will know there is an appropriate way through the usual channels to fix the business of the house. at every stage of the government has been running scared of both this house and democracy and it is now attempting to force through a flawed brexit deal which sells out people's jobs, rights and our communities. leader of the house. thank you, mr
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speaker. the right honourable lady is absolutely right to thank the clerk and the staff of this house who are all absolutely magnificent. i will reiterate what i said before, that every member of my private office volunteered to come in on saturday and that is simply an example of the commitment to the house of commons that we see from all our staff and it is really rather wonderful that so many people who work here appreciate and value the houses of parliament and have the houses of parliament and have the historic understanding of what a privilege it is to be here. may i add my thanks, joining the right honourable lady, to the police and us goods provided to get people home, including me. i have had many kind enquiries about my send. he is a 12—year—old boy. he found nothing more exciting than being escorted home by the police. i more exciting than being escorted home by the police. lam not more exciting than being escorted home by the police. i am not sure more exciting than being escorted home by the police. lam not sure he should have found it exciting but he did. but on a really serious point,
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i think it is very important that honourable and right honourable members can come and go from the precinct of parliament feeling safe and we must think about whether there is more we need to do and where that sessional orders could be helpful in that regard, but all honourable and right honourable members are representing 70,000, sometimes more, constituents and must be able to come and go without any feeling that they are under any pressure from any group outside parliament. the right honourable lady refers to my point of order on saturday. as you will know, there is a long—standing precedent for this. 0ne a long—standing precedent for this. one of the examples by my late god for that in 1980. a rip —— late godfather. a more recent one only in september by the prime minister. but also, the right honourable lady is i'm sure await that page gives the
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speaker discretion to turn the substantive point of order into a statement if he so wished. mr speaker did not say wait and so i made two points of order to help the house and to understand what the business would be today, with the promise of a full statement today, which is exactly what is happening. and there are going to be occasions when business changes in response to votes. that is a perfectly normal syste m votes. that is a perfectly normal system within this house. on the queen's speech, yes, of course we will come back to the queen's speech, but we do have a deadline of the 31st of october, a deadline set in law, for dealing with our departure from the european union, and we need to have the legislation in place by then. the alternative is that we leave without a deal. the right honourable lady asked about the bill. i know... i'm sorry, speak up. the right honourable lady asked why i left the chamber. that is
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extremely straightforward. matters of point of order for the chair, not the leader of the house. it would be wrong of me to think i would know more than these speaker of the house. it is for mr speaker to rule on points of order, not for other honourable members. i had made my point of order and listen to several at this point of order, but they we re at this point of order, but they were no further opportunities for me to speak because it was a matter for the chair. the bill will be published very shortly. it will be the first item of public business when we come onto the business of the day and simultaneously, as if by magic, it will appear in the office of honourable and right honourable members to peruse, and i'm sure they will enjoy that. the programme motion will be done tonight in an orderly well. —— orderly way. mr speaker will rule on that. the right honourable lady is one of the most
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charming members of this house and has enormous grace and thoughtfulness but when she said we we re thoughtfulness but when she said we were running scared of democracy, i think she must have been trying to pull our collective legs, mr speaker. it is this government that has speaker. it is this government that ha s offe re d speaker. it is this government that has offered a general election not just once but twice. how frightened is that of democracy? we are so terrified of the vote is that we wa nt terrified of the vote is that we want them to have a chance to vote. so scared are we that they should go to the ballot box. if anyone is frightened, mr speaker, they are on the opposition benches. let me endorse what the myth —— leader of the house said in all solemnity, about the absolute and precious right of the members of this place and of staff to go about their business safely and unimpeded. that has to be an absolute non—negotiable. and where that right has been threatened, that threat is
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to be unequivocally condemned. and sometimes i fear that people think that one form of hollering or protest is acceptable and another is not. the truth is that no such behaviour which could be intimidating or threatening or worse can possibly be justified in our democracy. i know what the leader said more widely about points of order. points of order are a matter for response by the chair... we have just been listening to jacob rees—mogg, the leader of the house. let mejust explain rees—mogg, the leader of the house. let me just explain it. rees—mogg, the leader of the house. let mejust explain it. he has been setting out the business of the week to discuss their withdrawal agreement bill. this is the legislation that will carry boris johnson's deal across the line. he
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said the government would publish the bill sometime this evening and they will be a second reading, so it sta rts they will be a second reading, so it starts its process through the house. presumably they will be a vote at some point tomorrow. the committee stage will also begin tomorrow. they will be a committee stage on wednesday and then a further reading of the bill on thursday before it goes to the house of lords. you can see that is an extremely ambitious plan that the leader of the house hasjust extremely ambitious plan that the leader of the house has just set out, to discuss 100 pages are very complex legislation. let's get the thoughts of chris mason, who has hotfooted it from the lobby to our westminster studio. we should point out that tomorrow they will also be a programme in motion, a timetabling motion, and i would think that the opposite side of the house would try to amend that to rip that timetable up. i think that is pretty likely. just a return to the timetable you we re just a return to the timetable you were talking through there. this is a showtime. they have been plenty of
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false dawns in this process where we have often talked about crunch days and it has turned out to be crunch they postpone. this is their vehicle via which the uk will either leave the european union with a deal a week on thursday or it won't. and we are going to find out in the next few days what appetite there is within the comments to let boris johnson's plan crack on and, or be amended, potentially to the point that it doesn't get any way by opposition parties trying, for instance, to change the terms of brexit. labour won this idea that they want to campaign for the uk to stay in the customs union. others might want to see a second referendum attached to any deal that is down. but talking through that timetable, we now have a sense of how the next few days are going to proceed, and in particular the likelihood tomorrow that they will bea likelihood tomorrow that they will be a vote on the second reading of their withdrawal agreement bill. that is parliamentary term for the
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first encounter that a bill has directly with a vote in the house of commons involving all mp5. and then ina commons involving all mp5. and then in a vanishingly small amounts of time to scrutinise the details. they will be debating it as soon as tomorrow with the hope from the government's perspective that by the end of this working week, it has completed its paul —— comments debating and scrutinising and heads off to the house of lords with the hope from the government's perspective that it can complete that potentially over the weekend or beginning of next week and be ratified,, be the law of the land, by next thursday. i have heard jacob rees—mogg referring today to the 3ist rees—mogg referring today to the 31st of october and the fact that it has been set down in law that that is the day that the uk is scheduled to leave. is that set aside by the benn act, and what they have to be legislation that moves that date?
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benn act, and what they have to be legislation that moves that date7m is not set aside explicitly by the benn act until an agreement is reached with the european union to set the terms of a delay. now, when that delay would run it until. the government says it does not want a delay and it wants to carry on making the argument that the deadline can be met of a week on thursday and i think what we are going to get from the government and the european union for at least the next week is a public expression of a desire to get this sorted by a week on thursday and, if necessary, at the very last minute, perhaps even on the day itself, the 31st, an agreement at an international level between the european union and the ukfor between the european union and the uk for some sort of delay, if that is deemed necessary at that time, at which point it would be necessary for the law is to be tweaked here to make sure that british law reflects
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the international agreement that says brexit should be postponed until whenever the date might be. so there is a huge amount of legislative tweeting to be done here, either to allow a delay to happen, or to get a withdrawal agreement into law. are we calling it super tuesday? i hesitate to do so on it super tuesday? i hesitate to do so on the basis that a slot in the business of reporting all of this have occasionally been guilty of perhaps building things up to something that they didn't quite amount to in the end, so i think we will just stick to tuesday, or as somebody said to me over the weekend, perhaps tuesday but not spelt the conventional way.|j weekend, perhaps tuesday but not spelt the conventional way. i like it very much. once jacob rees—mogg has finished in the house, michael gove is going to stand up and set out the government's plans on
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operation yellowhammer. these are their proposals for a no deals, setting out a plan for no deal, and they have stepped those up today because they still say they are leaving on the 31st of october. we heard from jacob rees—mogg, if there is no agreement on the deal, then no deal becomes the default. that is the government's position at least. we will have their weather shortly but before we go, let's just tell you about this. two men have been arrested in somerset by police investigating alleged racist abuse that caused an fa cup tie to be abandoned on saturday. haringey borough's players walked off during the game against yeovil town, saying their goalkeeper had been spat at and hit by an object thrown at him. it comes as the premier league re—launched its no room for racism video, which was shown at every premier league fixture this weekend. our sports correspondent jane dougal looks at the challenge of combatting racism in the game. in a show of solidarity, both the yeovil fc and haringey borough players came out to stand together.
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their fa cup match in north london had been abandoned after haringey players were allegedly racially abused. in a show of solidarity, both the yeovil fc and haringey borough this footage shows their goalkeeper just before he claims the yeovil fans assaulted him. this was very aggressive. and he was looking at me right in my eyes, and said, "you're disgusting," and he spat on me. the haringey manager told his players to walk off the pitch. i looked into my players' eyes once they got on the pitch, and i had to make a quick decision. these boys weren't ready to continue. they've never experienced anything like this whilst playing for me. one week ago, england players didn't leave the pitch in sofia. these were the ugly scenes from the bulgarian crowd as england's black players were subjected to monkey noises and nazi salutes in their euro 2020 qualifier. even then, england manager
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gareth southgate spoke of racism at a domestic level. sadly, my players, because of their experiences in our own country, are hardened to racism. and i don't know what that says about our society, but that's the reality. there's no room for racism. there have been a spate of alleged racist incidents across britain on the very weekend that the premier league relaunched their antiracism video. in the championship, some bristol city fans are alleged to have used racist language in their match against luton town, while in scotland there are allegations of racism at tynecastle in hearts' match against rangers. chanting: we are haringey! both haringey and yeovil will go into tonight's fa cup first round draw. the fa say they are deeply concerned at the situation, but the fact a non—league side has taken this stand may now set
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a precedent for other clubs. jane dougall, bbc news. coming up we will have the six o'clock news. but now it is time for the weather. this time next week we could have a large area of high pressure bringing dry weather across the uk. today we have got some dry weather but around the edges of a there has been a lot of cloud and near that weather front in the south—east of england, we have still got low cloud and a bit of rain and drizzle. it was further north and west that we saw some sunshine coming through now and again but it has certainly been a cool and grey day. temperatures have not changed much all day. in the south—east, there is still some light rain and drizzle. eventually that will pull away so it should dry up. we will see the cloud increasing across scotland and northern ireland as the breeze freshens. with the
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cloud thinning across england and wales, it will be cooler than last night and where we get some decent brea ks night and where we get some decent breaks in the cloud, we could see scenes like this early in the morning. some mist and fog patches around. as we head into the morning, that mist and low cloud and fog will lift gradually and things will brighten up. we should get more sunshine across england and wales. they will be more cloud as you head further north. the rain will stay in the far north of the country so generally speaking it is dry. temperatures are a bit higher than today. there is some rain waiting in the winds and it is these weather fronts that will bring most of it. however, there is a low pressure in the mediterranean that is bringing low pressure across spain and france and we are going to be catching a little bit of that. otherwise, the rest of england and wales and eastern scotland should be dry. they will be some sunshine around as well
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but we will see some wet weather coming into northern ireland and western scotland. that rain could be heavy at times. the temperatures will be between 12 and 15 degrees. windy in the north as we head into thursday. "acknowledged they were struggling". it comes after a tv documentary where prince harry talked about his mental health and his relationship with william. we'll always be brothers, and we're certainly on different paths at the moment, but i will always be there for him, as i know he'll always be there for me. we don't see each other as much as we used to. meghan also revealed she'd been advised by herfriends not to marry prince harry. we'll have the latest. also on the programme.... my my rolling is therefore that the motion will not be debated today... the speaker of the commons refuses to allow mps to vote today on borisjohnson's new brexit deal.
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