workers on the amazon platform to sort those pictures into many, many thousands of categories. all of this leaves me feeling there are so many different ways of seeing the same thing and as a person you add some contextual and cultural judgement to that. but the question is, can we train a machine to do the same? and i'm afraid that's it for the shortcut of click this week, the full—length version is up on iplayer and is waiting for you right now. this isjust a quick reminder you have less than one peak left to register for tickets for click live, it's in dundee in scotland this year and if you can be

there on november 19, we would love to see you. the website you need is bbc. co. uk/showsandtours. that's it for now, thanks for watching, and we'll see you soon. good morning. welcome to breakfast withjon kay and sally nugent. our headlines today: police arrest a fourth person over the deaths of 39 people in a lorry as details emerge of distressing messages believed to have been sent by a woman inside. a state of emergency is declared in parts of california as wildfires force 50,000 people from their homes. an incredible night for leicester city. they thrash southampton 9—0 to equal

the record for the biggest win in premier league history. and it is a huge morning for england — their rugby world cup semifinal against the mighty new zealand kicks off in just three hours. we'll be live in yokohama. good morning. saturday's weather will be dominated by heavy rain across much of england and wales. but there is some sunshine around and that is for scotla nd sunshine around and that is for scotland and northern ireland, colder, the scattering of sharp showers. i'll have all the details coming up shortly. it's saturday 26th october. our top story: a fourth person's now being questioned by police in relation to the deaths of 39 migrants found in a lorry container in essex. it was thought the eight women and 31 men were chinese nationals, but a number of vietnamese families have raised concerns their relatives could be among the dead. one woman sent a desperate text message to her mother, saying she couldn't breathe, hours before the container was discovered. andy moore reports.

the bbc has been contacted by six vietnamese families who believe their loved ones may have been on the lorry. they include pham thi tra my, who was 26. at the time the container was crossing to the uk, she sent a series of text messages, saying "i am really, really sorry, mum and dad. my trip to a foreign land has failed. iam dying. i can't breathe. i love you very much. i am sorry." the bbc has also been contacted by the family of nguyen dinh luong, who was 20 and also missing. on thursday, essex police said the victims were believed to be chinese. they now say it's a developing picture, and they have made this appeal to anyone who thinks their relatives may have died. i know you may be worried about speaking to the police and i would like to reassure

you that we just want to be able to give the victims‘ families answers about what has happened. the work of removing the bodies and transporting them to hospital for postmortem examinations continues. essex police said they would not comment on what they called "speculation" about the nationalities of those who had tragically lost their lives. andy moore, bbc news. andy is in tilbury for us this morning, where the container has been moved to. that is so the identification process ca n that is so the identification process can take place. andy, hour by hour, the identification process, i guess, makes progress but the police are stressing it will take a long time? that's right. i have said this will bea that's right. i have said this will be a long and complicated investigation right from the start. we now know that a total of four people have been arrested. the latest was a 48—year—old man

arrested at sta nsted latest was a 48—year—old man arrested at stansted airport yesterday. he is from northern ireland. before that, a 38—year—old couple, man and woman, arrested at warrington in cheshire. those three we re warrington in cheshire. those three were all arrested on suspicion of people trafficking and manslaughter. then we have the 25—year—old lorry driver from northern ireland then we have the 25—year—old lorry driverfrom northern ireland who then we have the 25—year—old lorry driver from northern ireland who was arrested on wednesday on suspicion of murder. he has been held now in custody by the police for four days. as to those reports that there may have been a number of vietnamese citizens on board the laurie, there is an organisation called viet home who represents a lot of people in the vietnamese community here and they have been taking calls from worried families since wednesday, since the container was found, and say they have nearly 20 photos of people that have been reported missing, no confirmation of course that they were in the container, but 20 people reported missing, aged between 15 and a5. essex police say

they will only reveal nationality when they have formal identification. they say they are working with both the chinese embassies and the vietnamese embassy here in the uk. thank you very much indeed. we'll get more on this story in few minutes with the former boss of uk border force. that is here on breakfast. the governor of california has declared an emergency in two counties because of two rapidly spreading wildfires. the emergency services have struggled to tackle the fires that have forced about 40,000 people to leave their homes and left many more without power. sophie long reports. high temperatures and dry winds feed flames and fear as california burns. with gusts of up to 70 miles an hour, new blazes are sparked before others can be contained. the fire causing most concern is burning through famed vineyards at kincade, about 70 miles north of san francisco.

you could actually hear the wind coming down the canyon, over my neighbours, from here. it sounded like a rocket. another is the tick fire, about 30 miles north of los angeles. as tens of thousands of people were told to abandon their homes, memories are evoked of the devastating wildfires of the past two years that killed more than 100 people. the threat to human life here is real. last year, the deadliest fire in california's history was sparked by the main energy company pg&e‘s cables. in recent days, it cut off power to hundreds of thousands of homes to prevent this happening again. but now, it says a high—voltage tower was reported damaged close to where the kincade fire started. it is infuriating beyond words to live in a state as innovative and extraordinarily entrepreneurial and capable as the state of california, to be living in an environment where we are seeing this kind

of disruption and these kind of blackouts. much of california is under imminent threat of fire due to the hot, dry conditions, and the danger is increasing. weather forecasts for the weekend show winds could get even stronger. sophie long, bbc news, los angeles. eu ambassadors have agreed to delay brexit, but it looks like they won't set a date until after parliament votes on a potential general election. borisjohnson wants to go to the polls on 12th december, but it's not clear if he'll get enough mps to back his plan. let's chat to our political correspondent tom barton. explained to us exactly where we are right now, if you can! i will try! we have a conclusion of sorts in the eu's ambassadors last night, not really one that gets us any closer to know what happens next in the brexit saga. so they have delay to the brexit deadline but haven't as

you say told us how long the delay is going to be, and that is crucial because boris johnson is going to be, and that is crucial because borisjohnson says he wants an election to sort all of this out on december 12. he can only do that with the support of opposition mps. and they have made it clear that they will only support an election if it happens before the date of brexit, which means for now we are no clear on whether borisjohnson is going to get his wish of a general election. the eu's ambassadors say they will carry on talking about all of this over the weekend and a decision is expected on monday or perhaps tuesday but there is real disagreement among eu leaders on how long this extension should be with friends‘s president emmanuel macron in particular set to be in favour of a much shorter experience for extension rather than many over the end of this year, as is so often the case. with brexit, there are many questions but the only thing we do

know is that borisjohnson is now almost certain to miss his do or die deadline of leaving the eu this coming thursday. tom, thank you indeed. dead in a ditch, it appears to be. all of the talks continue. the dup conference begins in belfast today and there are further signs of tension between the party and the conservatives over brexit. ahead of her speech this afternoon, dup leader arlene foster accused boris johnson of breaking commitments he made when speaking to their conference last year. 0ur ireland correspondent chris page is in belfast. chris, it is right, isn't it, but it was when borisjohnson stood up at the same conference 12 months ago that he gave the dup a lot of hope that he gave the dup a lot of hope that he gave the dup a lot of hope that he would deliver a brexit — if he ever got to number ten that would suit what they wanted. that's right. if you compare and contrast the dup conference this year and last, there

isa conference this year and last, there is a pretty big difference. last year, borisjohnson arrived as their special guest, he was hailed as a friend of the union and applauded and was cheered and was acclaimed. but now, all of the acclamation has turned to, well, you could say castigation. arlene foster yesterday in an interview before the conference, she accused boris johnson of breaking the commitments he had made to the dup party faithful last year when mrjohnson said that conservative british government could ever accept the notion of tax on goods, either customs checks or standards checks, moving between northern ireland and the rest of the uk. but in the brexit deal, well, that is what has been proposed. so arlene foster says thatis been proposed. so arlene foster says that is not acceptable to her party and the dup‘s ten mps have certainly flexed their muscles in parliament in recent weeks. they have contributed to the defeats inflict it on the government, particularly when it comes to borisjohnson‘s timetable on to —— brexit. where to

from here? it will be a tricky weekend for them. they have made a lot over the last two years of their position in parliament where they have been holding the balance of power and have been keeping the minority government in office. now, they are looking at a situation where many party members, and they have used this word, frankly, betrayed, and arlene foster in her speech will concentrate i think, she has always said her priority is, the union between northern ireland and the rest of the uk. they also expect her to address all of the issues around the lack of power sharing at stormont, remember, northern ireland is without a devolved government and has been out for 2.5 years. chris, thank you. post—mortem tests are being carried out on the 39 people found dead in a lorry in essex as police try to establish exactly who they were and how they came to be inside. it's not the first time people—smuggling attempts have ended in disaster. back in 2000, 58 chinese nationals were found suffocated in a container in dover. tony smith is the former director general of uk border force. he's in our london newsroom.

good morning to you. thank you very much indeed for your time. first of all, obviously, the more we hear about the case, the more distressing and shocking it is but how common is this type of situation, in your experience? well, yes, as you say, an absolute tragedy for everybody involved. the incident in 2000 is still fresh in my memory. i was on the fourth and the time and it had a devastating effect on the border force as well as of course all of the families and the terms and so it isa the families and the terms and so it is a dreadful thing. fortunately we don't see large numbers of fatalities, particularly in refrigerated vehicles, so that was the last time i can remember this happening. we have seen, though, i'm afraid, an increase in irregular migrants hiding in increasingly dangerous vessels such as these vehicles. and it is a real worry, it

is clear that there are a lot of desperate people in europe who want to get in here and a lot of smugglers are very keen to take advantage of them. can you talk us through what sort of cheques happen when going through border controls? yeah, so you need to see this is what we call the supply change or the end to end process from the point of loading of the container to the point of arrival into the uk. different arrangements exist in different ports. in my time, the most normal obvious route for the smugglers would be through calais, where there are a range of different checks, including our own border force officers doing cheques in france. but in other ports, we don't do that, we rely a lot upon the port authorities who have their own technology screening for entry into the port, and also for belgian customs, overseas customs agencies who help us, and we work with them and we use an intelligence— led targeted system to identify threats

because it would simply be impossible, with the sheer volume is freight coming into the uk, to stop—and—search single one. freight coming into the uk, to stop-and-search single one. now, the investigation is looking into what route the lottery took. where it was at particular times. how much information will be discovered when they know the route and how the lottery has been tracked? one thing useful nowadays this technology. a great deal of technology is involved in most of these containers. they are fitted with gps. there should be are fitted with gps. there should be a seal, an identifiable container number on there. i think we will be able to track their spark around the various roots and stopping points. —— track this back. i don't want to speculate what the police are doing, they are doing a greatjob with the national crime agency, but i am sure

they will be thorough investigations going on right now into the audit trail to try to identify precisely where this container was, where it was left, and which checkpoints it passed through. we saw on our own news bulletins over the last few hours how the refrigerated part of the lorry is sealed, locked. when the lorry is sealed, locked. when the checks are made, does anybody opened up? does anybody look inside? not necessarily, no. there is an audit trail. the driver has responsibilities, legal responsibilities. he is the custodian of his trailer until such time as he passes it on, a bit like a baton. the problem with these containers is that they can be left unaccompanied, unattended, and harbour areas or facilities for some considerable period of time, before the next driver picks it up. it doesn't follow that but next driver will necessarily open it to see what is inside, but will certainly be taking custody of the trailer and should know what is supposed to be and do routine checks such as checking his seal and checking his vehicle from security point of view. so there is a process under way.

u nfortu nately so there is a process under way. unfortunately these incidents are few and far between, but i am sure they will be a thorough enquiry under way. —— and fortunately these incidents. can a driver potentially switch the refrigeration off themselves, without opening the back of the truck? well, there are different vehicles and different types of container. you can leave these things unattended and yet nonetheless still refrigerated if they are connected to a power source. lots of potential variables. i wouldn't like to speculate. what worries me about this particular type of traffickers that these things can be left unattended. normally you would have a driver there all the time. with these, you don't necessarily have that. we would have to wait and see just how long these poor people were actually locked in without having a driver in attendance. tony smith, thank you very much for all of that information this morning. a fascinating insight into what may have been rerouted the lorry had.

here's louise with a look at this morning's weather. hello, well, we're looking at a 5°99y hello, well, we're looking at a soggy saturday but a sunny sunday. there is some good news in this forecast. as you can see, it is relentless rain, a conveyor belt of wet weather that has already arrived. it has brought a couple of inches through the night across parts of wales and we are going to see a further couple of inches before it clears through. we have still got wet weather warnings in force through south wales. the potential, with this amber weather warning, to see some localised flooding in some disruption through of the morning. a slow improvement. this is the story over the last six hours. that rain is moving up through the south—west across wales and the midlands. we have also got a cluster of showers open to the far north, close to an area of low pressure. these will turn wintry into higher ground. we are starting off in the extreme south—east on a

cloudy and relatively mild note, but that rain will slip its way south and east, perhaps arriving in the south—east corner by the end of the day. it does mean areas like wales, the north of england, will see some dry weather by the end of the afternoon, albeit quite cloudy. a windy afternoon in particular in the south—west, the best of any scotland and northern ireland. again, still likely to see blustery winds and squally showers here, and the temperatures really struggling, eight or nine degrees at the very best, looking up 16 in the south—east. just clinging to that mild hour, but as the rain continues to push its way off into the near continent, but low pressure sitting in the of scotland will start to dominate the weather story, and that is dragging in this cold hour, right across the country, through the early hours of sunday morning. so you will really notice the difference and the feel of the weather first being, low single figures, quite widely, across the country. a chilly start. don't forget, a bit of good news, we also

getan forget, a bit of good news, we also get an extra hour in bed, great news if you have to get up at 3:30am like us. great news just generally if you can lie in on a sunday. the clocks go back, the skies start of clear, we will have some sparkling sunshine to look forward to on sunday. many of us try. just a few scattered showers continuing into the north. because of that cold i feel, we cannot rule out some snow across the tops of higher ground. —— colder feel. highest values in the south, 12 or 13. that will be a bit of a shock to the system. the dry u nsettled stea m shock to the system. the dry unsettled steam is set to continue, and after the miserable 0ctober unsettled steam is set to continue, and after the miserable october we have seen so far in terms of heavy rain, we are sure that will come across as welcome news. i got into trouble because i was saying earlier, the extra hour in bed is great news, and i saw our tea m bed is great news, and i saw our team saying, yes, good news for you. if you are on a night shift you have

to work and extra hour. sorry to everybody was working shifts. apologies to our team here, i am in trouble. apologies to our team here, i am in trouble. the uk's biggest payday loan provider, quick quid, is going out of business. but with thousands of complaints about its lending still unresolved, what does that mean for customers? radio 4's money box presenter paul lewis is here. is this all about complaints? well, it is about complaints. it formally went out of business late last night. it is in administration. yes, it is about complaints, because it seems to have been missed selling these payday loans to thousands of customers, just in the last 18 months, 8500 successful complaints have been made. —— mis—selling these payday loans. 0bviously have been made. —— mis—selling these payday loans. obviously not every complaint is successful, but 8500 successful complaints were made. i spoke to one man yesterday who had taken out 1a spoke to one man yesterday who had ta ken out 1a loans from spoke to one man yesterday who had taken out 1a loans from this term, quickquid, and 12 of them were

mis—sold to him. so it is a pretty poor record. so somebody like that, it is proved and upheld but it was mis—sold, is due compensation. but what happens to the compensation of the company is in administration? this is the problem, really. i should say anybody who has an outstanding loan with them who is not paying it off has to pay it off. you mustn't think, the company is gone so i don't have to pay it. you have to pay it off. anybody who has claimed compensation and it has been awarded or it has been found to have been mis— sold the loan, they no longer can get that compensation because the firm has gone out of business. now, there is a faint ray of hope. the firm's parent in america is cold innova, chicago —based firm. we decided pull out of the uk partly because of the very tough regulation here, i think. —— called innova. it says it set aside £35 million, approximately, to do the pullout from the uk. we don't know if any of that is going to the

customers who need compensation. a colleague of mine has been on the phone and emailing until very late last night when chicago went home, trying to get an answer, and got absolutely nothing back from the company on that. so there is a faint ray of hope, but i think people who had a complaint upheld and did not have their compensation, they may well not get it. you have got an existing loan, then, paul, so if the company is in administration, you've got to keep paying it off legally and to protect your own credit rating, i suppose, and to protect your own credit rating, isuppose, but and to protect your own credit rating, i suppose, but who are you paying it too if the company doesn't exist anymore? you are paying it to be administrators, grant thornton. the administrators come in when a company goes out of business and sort out all its affairs, and they paid the people it owes money to from the money that is coming in. and of course some of those complaints may be people who money is owed to, but they will probably just get a small fraction of what they are owed, in most cases. so you paid to the administrators, probably in the exact same way. they will ta ke in the exact same way. they will take over the bank accounts and pay it until it is paid off. my advice is, never, ever, ever geta payday

loa n is, never, ever, ever geta payday loan again. they are ridiculously expensive. for 250 quid, for a few weeks, for ten weeks, you end up paying 400 quid, approximately. so 250 turns into £400 afterjust ten weeks. it is really a scandal but these firms are still around, to me. paul, if you need money in a hurry and you are worried about how to get it, and you don't want to go through these companies, what is the advice? how can you get money more reliably and more safely? well, if you have a credit card, and we know some of these people do, the best thing to do isjust these people do, the best thing to do is just borrow it on the credit card. it is cheaper and if you pay it off in full there is no interest to pay at all. you can try your banks, but the small amounts of money it will not pay it to you, probably. 0r money it will not pay it to you, probably. or go to your local credit union. i have mentioned are so many times. credit union is a not—for—profit local organisations. they do lend small amounts of money. they do lend small amounts of money. they charge very low rates of interest. they really are a good community service. if you look them up, where is my local credit union,

you can find one, go to them. they area you can find one, go to them. they are a cheap source of lending, when you do need money in a hurry. paul, thank you. paul will have much more on money box on radio forth this lunchtime at 12 o'clock. the world's biggest film festival involving people with learning disabilities has been taking place this week in brighton. the 0saka bright film festival has featured more than 2,000 movies from all over the world, and it aims to improve the opportunities for people with disabilities in mainstream cinema and tv. jayne mccubbin went along to find out why it's so important. when was the last time you saw somebody with a learning disability on prime—time telly? somebody with a learning disability on prime-time telly? hmm... um... if

i really think about it, i would say, really, not really... that is it. it has been quite a while. apart from on the news. so do you call that representation? no. the osaka bright film festival is all about trying to change this. —— 0ska bright film festival. 15 years after it launched it is the world's biggest learning disability film festival, and now it has been recognised as a after qualifying short film festival. —— bafta qualifying. getting such brilliant exposure and bold stories from people out there who have got learning disabilities. you have got this tie—in now was bafta. yes, yes! how important is that? it is so important. it is huge, yes. are you going to have an award this year? yes, yes! no doubt. among the

possible winners is this from elinore, who is autistic. it is a film about trying to fit in, beige days for when she really tries, orange days for when it all bursts out. a lot of people don't accept people who are different these days. like, you know, when i try and fit m, like, you know, when i try and fit in, it is never good enough. and sometimes ijust think, well, stuff about, why would i want to be like them, like everyone else, you know? it's just not as fun? them, like everyone else, you know? it'sjust not as fun? go tango? yes, go tango! go orange. more than 2000 films from around the film cover big issues, but organisers say they are rarely seen. it shows what it is really like and it can be fun, if the people want to know us. so these films are, would you say, overwhelmingly positive? yeah. it's

not about depressing stuff? and that's kind of not what we get to hear, if that is all we hear in the news. two students move into a haunted house. they find a basement that isn't meant to be there. they into the basement and find a teddy bear on the table. the teddy bear starts to move. you are freaking me out, now, jason. let'sjust park it there. it sounds like a lot of fun. it was. you wrote the script, organise the filming, you are involved in the building. a brilliant experience? a fantastic experience. i think we had one injury in the whole thing. let's not go there. a lot, a lot. three, two, one. being tipped for a real oscar this year is zach got sick and in the peanut butter fall can. this year is zach got sick and in the peanut butterfall can. that could be a landmark moment. still, there are concerns that people with a learning disability are only ever on the screen for two years or triumph. never just for being. on the screen for two years or

triumph. neverjust for being. the organisers of 0ska bright film festival would love to see that they come. i really want to see that movie. yeah, we have a couple of actors joining movie. yeah, we have a couple of actorsjoining us later movie. yeah, we have a couple of actors joining us later to talk about the festival and about the opportunities that will hopefully present. you're watching breakfast from bbc news. still to come this morning, spectacular world war ii drama world on fire continues this weekend. actor cel spellman will be here to tell us about the emotion of recreating the horrors of dunkirk. stay with us, headlines coming up.

hello and welcome to breakfast withjon kay and sally nugent. good morning. here's a summary of today's main stories from bbc news. a fourth person's being questioned by police in relation to the deaths of 39 migrants found in a lorry container in essex. it was thought the eight women and 31 men were chinese nationals, but a number of vietnamese families have raised concerns their relatives could be among the dead.

one woman sent a desperate text message to her mother, saying she couldn't breathe, hours before the container was discovered. the lorry was discovered in the early hours of wednesday morning. earlier, we heard from a human trafficking analyst in vietnam who told us about the lengths families go to, to make the journey to the uk and europe. that is 30 years of salary for someone living in a rural area. maybe even more. and £30,000 is not the highest number that i have heard. being paid to get smuggled into the uk or europe. i have seen, i have heard, i have interviewed people who have paid as high as $50,000 to go, and they continue to incur debt on theirjourney. so it is an astronomical sum but it is a sum that for parents who take out the loan, from loan sharks orfor pa rents to the loan, from loan sharks orfor parents to send their child over or to go themselves, for them, it is

worth it because they believe that this is the best way for them or their child to have a better future. a second man's due to appear in court this morning charged with a double murder at a house party in milton keynes. dom ansah and ben gillham—rice were stabbed to death last weekend. earl bevans, who's 22, has also been charged with two counts of attempted murder. another man, 21—year—old charlie chandler, was remanded in custody on the same charges. the governor of california has declared an emergency in two counties because of two rapidly spreading wildfires. the emergency services have struggled to tackle the fires that have forced about 40,000 people to leave their homes and left many more without power. at least 40 people have died in iraq after a fresh wave of anti—government protests descended into violence. reports say half of the victims were killed while trying to storm the offices of militia groups and the government. protesters are demanding more jobs, better public services, and an end to corruption.

the democratic unionist party's conference begins in belfast today amid further signs of tension between the party and the conservatives over brexit. leader arlene foster, who will make her speech this afternoon, has accused borisjohnson of breaking commitments he made when speaking to the dup conference last year. she added her party will consider this weekend whether to back the prime minister's call for a general election. how is this to wake you up on a saturday morning? and a group of daredevils in india have proved they're as hard as nails! they've broken the guinness world record for the most layers in a bed of nails sandwich. 0h! imy i my word! can we see the guy at the bottom? , oh, my word!

nine martial artists lay stacked on top of each other with a bed of nails between each of them. there were definitely a few winces of pain from the man at the bottom but it was all worth it in the end. goodness me! how do they not get injured? look at them! is it compensation for that risk? crazy! but has got to hurt. it hurtsjust watching it. we will be live injapan ahead of england's huge rugby world cup semifinal against new zealand in a moment, but first, the record for a premier league win was equalled last night as leicester thrashed southampton 9—0 at st mary's. huge excitement! do you know it was going to take an awful lot for me just to be sat here talking about the rugby world cup semi finals but we didn't see this coming last night! 9—0! we didn't see this coming last night! 9-0! unbelievable. it is the joint biggest...? equal night! 9-0! unbelievable. it is the joint biggest. . . ? equal the night! 9-0! unbelievable. it is the joint biggest...? equalthe record for the all—time win but the biggest away when in history and my favourite fact of the morning, i mentioned this earlier, last time it

was 9—0, manchester united beat it switch in 1995 and the goalkeeper was peter schmeichel. father of casper schmeichel, who was in goal last night. keeping it in the family! a huge win last night. it ta kes family! a huge win last night. it takes them above manchester city to second on the table. austin halewood reports. a night for the premier league purists. torrential rain on the south coast — a warning of the nightmare about to come, because these visiting foxes pack one heck of a bite. soon enough, southampton were cut to pieces, ben chilwell finishing the move for leicester. and for the saints, a double blow — this tackle in the build—up from ryan bertrand spotted by var, the fullback shown rad, southampton down to ten after ten. and it only got worse. much, much worse. tielemans ice cool for the foxes in the hampshire rain. two minutes later, they were in again. ayoze perez this time hammering in. the home fans already heading home.

leicester knew a win would take them second and they were determined to get there with a bang. perez got his second before, of course, jamie vardy joined the party. the foxes with five before half—time. and the second half was just the same. perez with a hat—trick before vardy got his second. the foxes running riot in southampton. perhaps the pick of the goals came from james maddison with this free kick. before jamie vardy finished his hat—trick from the spot and made it nine — the biggest away win in premier league history. leicester couldn't do another leicester, could they? austin halewood, bbc news. we are just over an hour away from england rugby's biggest match for 12 years. they're taking on the mighty all blacks in the semifinals of the rugby world cup injapan. the defending champions. they've never beaten new zealand in the competition. 0ur sports editor dan roan

is in yokohama for us now. it paints a bleak picture, really. dan, the all blacks haven't lost a match at the world cup since 2007, so how do england beat them? with great difficulty, i think it is fairto with great difficulty, i think it is fair to say, but if england can play like they did last weekend against australia in the quarterfinal, then they have some hope. they will be underdogs, you are right, new zealand are formidable opponents and in many ways they represent the very best in terms of elite sport, when ratio is incredibly high and they have not been beaten in the world cup since 2007 and have won the last two world cup centre going for an unprecedented third and where i'll —— awesome against island in the quarterfinal but england have got world —class quarterfinal but england have got world—class players, many of them have tasted success in the series against the all blacks a couple of yea rs against the all blacks a couple of years ago with the british & irish lions and i think in men like 0wen farrell they have world—class

performance. they have added to the tea m performance. they have added to the team new stars like tom curry and sam underhill so if all of these talents combined, there is no reason england cannot do it but you get the impression they have to perform at a level they have not yet reached under eddie jones, but level they have not yet reached under eddiejones, but this would be the defining moment of his four year long tenure. eddiejones took over after the last world cup. how much will this match define his time as coach? everything he has done since he took overin everything he has done since he took over in the wake of the appointing failure of england's own world cup four years ago has been geared towards this moment. they gave him a task, to win the world cup for the first time since 2003. and knock new zealand off their perch. this is the moment he has been waiting for and the opportunity. it could not be any better, in —— new zealand do not have the aura of incident —— invincibility they once did but they still represent the best in rugby

and if england to wit it would be a real changing in world but it —— rugby's order. yankee, dan. -- thank you. for the first time in 12 years, the great britain rugby league lions will take to the pitch this morning. you can watch them play tonga in hamilton in new zealand on bbc two from 8 o'clock. captainjames graham will earn his 50th cap, making him only the fourth british player to reach that landmark. it is great that you can watch that across bbt through this morning. you are over all of it —— bbc two. so less than 1.5 hours to go until the big game at the rugby world cup. england take on new zealand with a place in the final at stake. someone who knows what the players will be feeling right now is former england international brian moore, who played against the all blacks in the semifinal of the 1995 world cup. brian joins us now from battersea. good morning! you live in battersea,

as everyone is i guess getting prepared. lovely to see the kids in their kit getting ready to watch. first question, how... we are here at battersea, yes. brilliant. how on earth to england to be the all blacks? they have to carry the ball in an intelligent way and get over the game line and when the quick ball and take chances. it is simple in plan but more difficult to execute. very good point! how will they be preparing for this mentally? look, they have got the biggest game of their lives coming up. they need to do themselves justice and what they need to do is play, as i say, they need to do is play, as i say, the game, not the occasion, and make sure they are specific about what

they need to do in the field and at particular times not get carried away by the magnitude or the fact it isa away by the magnitude or the fact it is a semifinal or the fact that it is a semifinal or the fact that it is new zealand. all the haka or anything else, just be specific, your man, if enough of you beat your man then you will win. how do you prepare to face the haka? what would your tactic be today?” prepare to face the haka? what would your tactic be today? i enjoy facing the haka your tactic be today? i enjoy facing the ha ka because your tactic be today? i enjoy facing the haka because if you are a competitor, what better thing could you have than someone calling you out publicly? and frankly, if you are intimidated by something like that, you should not be on the field. good point. you played in 1995 in the all blacks team in that year was the great jonah 1995 in the all blacks team in that year was the greatjonah low move. what are your memories of that game? —— lomu embarrassing, it is the only gamei —— lomu embarrassing, it is the only game i played for england when i knew after 20 minutes we were not going to win and they announced lomu is the greater worldwide stage and we only scored four tries on the game but no—one remembers that because he scored that on his own! that will not happen today. eddie jones is saying the two kind of

biggest teams in the world are facing each other today and do you think the other semifinalists may be a little bit hacked off about that? i'm sure they will be! indeed, these four teams are quite close. however, ido four teams are quite close. however, i do think that this side of the drawing with new zealand and england have the two best attacking teams in the tournament but then again, it doesn't always win world cups. but has been shown by other teams. this time around, the winners of this game may well win —— lift the trophy. talking about the other game and wales, how much of a chance to think they have against south africa? a decent chance because wells would be able to scrap with south africa very well. it is u nfortu nate for south africa very well. it is unfortunate for them that they have injuries, lee is a good fullback but he is not an attacking threat likely and williams was. —— like liam williams was. this is concerning for

me about wales, if they need to do they have the firepower to bring down big defences like south africa and that is open to doubt i think u nfortu nately for and that is open to doubt i think unfortunately for them. before i let you know, you're known for being outspoken and speaking your mind and saying what you think and i would love to know, if you were the coach with the england today, what would you be saying to them today? what would your words be? you be saying to them today? what would your words be ?|j you be saying to them today? what would your words be? i cannot tell you exactly because it is a family show and there are children around. you know, but! show and there are children around. you know, but i would simply be saying this. you know what you have to do. he knows what he has to do. looking in the eye and make you beat him. every single one of you. as i said, if enough of you do that, we will be in. i love it. it is wonderful to speak to you, brian, and simplicity of the messages brilliant. look your man in the eye. it is lovely to talk to you. great to see all of those kids. there is one of them at the front on the left—hand side who has a rugby ball

in his hand and to keep throwing it in the airand in his hand and to keep throwing it in the air and that will go all over that room in about 1.5 hours time. watch yourself, brian. he has good hands, it is fine. full coverage on the budget is on radio 5 live this morning. from nine o'clock. if you are playing rugby football or walking the dog this morning it might be quite a bit wet. here's louise with a look at this morning's weather. i don't know, my sons play rugby and my last memory from a couple of weeks ago were all these excited kids belly sliding across puddles on the pitch because we had finally had some rain. now you would probably be swimming across the pitch, i'm afraid, at the moment. really horrendous weather conditions out there for some across south—west england, the midlands, and into wales. we have seen this relentless pulse of wet weather through the night. we have had a couple of

inches of rain. so far there are another of —— another couple of inches to come. we still have weather warnings enforcement they could be localised flooding and some disruption on the roads. here is the story so far today. we can split the country into three, we have showers and some of these parts of scotland, we have got this rain, but in the south—east corner it is cloudy and down but incredibly mild. 0vernight lows, only falling to around 16 degrees. mild but it will get increasingly wet as we go through the latter stages of the afternoon, but that's good news for wales, northern england under the south—west, because it means we will eventually see that frontal system finally slipping away and conditions improving. windy for all, but especially in the south—west. scotla nd especially in the south—west. scotland and northern ireland actually getting a decent day. a scattering of showers on the exposed coasts and yes, it will feel cold, with 7—9d behind. still mild in the south—east but not for long, because that frontal system continues to

push away from the uk overnight. the skies will continue to clear. and a cold source of air will move down through the north —— from the north. this area of low pressure up in the north will maintain the showery flow, to the extreme north of scotland, but it will be a chilly start to our sunday morning. low single figures in places. and also, don't forget, not only a chilly start to a sunday morning, but a later start to a sunday morning. we get to put the clocks back, so we will and truly say goodbye to british summertime, but i can offer you some sparkling sunshine for the start of sunday. not a bad day, in actual fact. a lovely day for many. dry, settled, sunny, just the risk of those showers continuing with that northerly flow in scotland. those temperatures certainly struggling, at the very best, hitting 13 celsius. this theme will continue into next week, so if you wa nt continue into next week, so if you want those sparkling blue skies but frosty starts, that is exactly what

you are going to get. dry, but sunny and chilly both by day and night. and that means no more belly sliding! time now for newswatch. hello and welcome to newswatch, i am shaun ley standing in for samira. 0n the programme this week: as the duke and duchess of sussex say they are struggling against press intrusion, is it time to rethink how journalists report the royalfamily? more twists and turns on the road to brexit. some viewers tell us they don't think they can take much more. now, just when you thought the brexit finishing line was in sight, further complications and more uncertainty this week. hard enough for most of us to follow. even the politicians can sound confused. hard too for the journalists who are trying to explain it. after weeks of negotiations with brussels, number ten did strike a deal but mps rejected

the prime minister's plan to force it through at top speed so now he wants to force them to go to the country. bbc political editor laura kuenssberg on thursday evening. for some time as we have found out newswatch there has been a weariness in the viewers' reaction to coverage like that and we have seen more of it this week. among those who have been in touch is andrew: andrew's sentiment was shared by this caller to the newswatch phone line. well, i am trying to watch bbc news but there really isn't any news, is there? brexit, brexit, brexit, brexit.

may one hope that once the day is past we have a moratorium on brexit news or even perhaps a better idea would be we have a channel that deals purely with brexit then i could switch over and find some world news. that would be great fun, wouldn't it? funny you should say that. the idea of a channel devoted entirely to brexit may not appeal to many. sky news has created the opposite which would perhaps delight that caller, a brexit free zone. sky says it has been listening to public opinion and as a result the new pop—up channel will be available on weekdays between 5pm and 10pm. but there have been plenty of important non—brexit stories reported on bbc news this week, including the grim discovery of the bodies of 39 chinese nationals in a refrigerated trailer in essex. this is as close as the police will allow us to the lorry. all morning, forensic teams have been coming and going from that tent. we still don't know who put these

people on the lorry. we don't know exactly how they died. all we know is that the lorry was found here in the early hours of this morning. ed thomas reporting there. one aspect of the bbc‘s reporting of this tragic case has upset viewerjeff brown. here is the video he recorded for us. we have all been deeply shocked and saddened by the death of the 39 chinese citizens in the refrigerated container. understandably, the police have placed screens around the site in order that the emergency services can carry out their desperately difficult duties unobserved by the public. during the bbc news coverage the site was shown from the air, presumably using drones.

thereby defeating the whole object of having the screens. and i think this policy is inappropriate and needs to be changed. last weekend prince harry told itv that both he and meghan, the duchess of sussex, were struggling to cope with the intense scrutiny they receive from the tabloid press. the bbc then reported a source quoting prince william as being worried about his brother. here's royal correspondentjohnny diamond on monday's news at six. in africa just weeks ago they looked so happy. they showed off their newborn son, they danced and laughed. but behind it all, two people struggling with their rules, their lives and an onslaught of criticism in britain's bestselling papers.

others also want to see less on the bbc about the subject but for a different reason. for chris it is simple: grace left this message on our answerphone. i was really surprised by the bizarre invasion of privacy on monday in the news report on harry and william. that the correspondence that in the studio and asked whether there might be tension between the two brothers, it seemed really peculiar. i don't understand why anyone else

would know whether two brothers are getting on or not and why it is any of our business. it just plainly isn't. they are not a soap characters. well, the royalfamily in the media has long been fraught. the royals have not always shared information as fully as they might. back in 1936 the death of king george v was medically hastened so its announcement could be carried in the times rather than the evening journals. for half a century that was a state secret. recently, the announcement that the duchess of sussex was in labour with her son archie was made seven hours after she had given birth to him.

is being economical in the truth just in the protection of privacy or an attempt to have your cake and eat it? 0ne shadow in the current argument is the death of diana, harry's mother. the press intrusion that added to her unhappiness has been upon her sons. johnny diamond is the bbc‘s royal correspondence. thanks for joining us. what has been your experience and to be responses you became royal correspondence? this story is a marmite story, people are either very interested in it or that they are very often com pletely u ni nterested in it and it is not much in between. i used to cover the israel palestine conflict and that was something of a walk in the park compared to the royals in terms of viewer response. i understand that. what each side doesn't understand is that the other side exists, that people who are not at all interested, who are as one viewer was, "faintly repulsed" by the coverage we give it, are matched if not outnumbered by people who are very interested in it. it's a very difficult line for us to walk.

the stories we don't cover, funnily enough, don't get as much coverage as the stories we do cover but there is an awful lot of time when i am saying to news editors, that is not appropriate, that is private, that has nothing to do with their private rules. and there are other times you make a judgment, this is another point to speak about it, especially when they give interviews and speak about topics close to their heart, about their personal their mental health, that the birth of their children, then we are going to talk about that but as i say, there is a lot of times we make the call, that is none of our business. we leave it to other people. meghan and harry's story is they are a celebrity couple. it is obvious for tablets, it is their meat and drink. it is not like that for a broadcast coverage but you have to be aware that is the stuff people see on social media or newspapers. it is not like that

for broadcasters and the bbc. we need more of a reason to broker something than simply people are famous or people are interested in it. the audience might think we do lots of coverage of royal overseas visits because they are great pictures. in that sense, that is a pr operation, not necessarily a news story. there is something in that as well. but, when you look down the running order of a news bulletin you have lots of different kinds of stories, generally clustered around the top you have stories of great economic, political and social significance. as you go lower down the running order you will have greater stories, maybe even humorous stories or different kinds of programmes. most royal stories end up down the running order. and they are picture stories, later stories and sometimes described as a ministry of fun, it is something that cheers people up, keeps them entertained, it is something that now and then

is the lens through which the nation sees itself. it's complicated and multifaceted, that is why it is difficult. in light of the itv interview this week and knowing how vulnerable harry's mother was, diana and the dramatic relationship which she had with the royal family, has that affected how the bbc has approached the story? i don't know actually. remember with princess diana, yes, she was chased physically by the press, especially by the tabloid newspapers, the best selling newspapers and especially by the paparazzi, the international camera crews. she also courted the press, she is the press to maintain her profile, to get her message out. she was not simply a victim of the press. i think we are all pretty careful. i know this sounds odd to people

who loathe the story or think we go over the top. we are very, very careful. i am very careful about when we put the story on air and how. especially, one of your viewers brought up this issue of should we be covering prince harry's mental health, he spoke of it himself in an interview and that would have been mediated. there would have been been a decision to bring that up and if he does that, how can we ignore it? i would not comment on it otherwise but he brings it up, you're not going to not report it. that's the business. thank you very much. and thank you for all your comments this week. if you want to share your opinions on bbc news or current affairs or even appear on the programme, e—mail us. or find us on twitter. you can call us. do have a look at our web page. that is all from us, we'll be back to hear your thoughts about bbc news coverage again next week. goodbye.

good morning, welcome to breakfast withjon kay and sally nugent. 0ur headlines today: police arrest a fourth person over the deaths of 39 people in a lorry,

as details emerge of distressing messages believed to have been sent by a woman inside. a state of emergency is declared in parts of california — as wild fires force 50,000 people from their homes. a huge morning for england — their rugby world cup semifinal against the mighty new zealand kicks off in an hour — can they beat the all blacks for the first time in seven years? and an incredible night for leicester city — they thrash southampton 9—0, to equal the record for the biggest win in premier league history. good morning, saturday's weather will be dominated by rain in england and wales but there is sunshine around. it will be colder with a scattering of sharp showers. the details coming up shortly... it's saturday 26th october.